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Have you ruled out a town-jailkeeper?In post 1818, nancy wrote:We really need to flip the roleblocker today, that's kind of at the forefront of my mind.-
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Right now, I'm put my scum-reads to a side (LUV and Matt). I found their associations via JarJar all too convincing so I felt that I was in confirmation bias (a weakness of my play). My theory of them is found in D2.
Today is about proving to myself that my town reads are town.
So far, I've looked at Sheep. I still don't buy the reverse distancing theory. I'm unlikely ever to vote for him unless he investigates as GUILTY. No one has convinced me of scum-Sheep yet. I find his playstyle impenetrable.
I'm going to ignore the possibility of RC being a Godfather or Rauth fakeclaiming backup cop. I decided to make them my constants from D2 going forward. If they are scum the game was game over Day 1 when Gerry was miss-lynched. I have to work with both of them now to find scum.
I'll be looking at Akarin, Grendel and yourself next. Then finally Frogger.-
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Ok, in summary - are you saying Sheep was trying to indirectly derail the JarJar lynch by trying to refocus our attention on your lynch via his passionate tunnel?In post 2010, nancy wrote:Your SRs of LUV/mbg were based on JJD associations?
Sheep basically tunneled on my slot all of Day 2 and continually found new reasons to scumread me. He did basically nothing for Town Day 2 I see no reason why you should be so unlikely to vote for him.
Moreover, he was supporting that scum-read of you with reachy/NIA reasons?-
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Not fro99er.In post 2007, nancy wrote:Keyser Keyser Keyser who do you want to lynch today?
Like LUV said, we must judge him on Vifam's play too (who I was t/reading).
Plus, I think Fro99er-LUV is very unlikely a scum-team (I have subconsciously ruled it out via D1 VCA).-
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Ok Nancy - I will re-read D2 through your perspective and Sheeps.In post 2020, nancy wrote:I'm saying the motivation is there. I see very few reasons for town!Sheep to completely disappear from thread. I wouldn't even call his tunnel passionate. He was only half-heartedly trying to push me and I didn't see any real defense of JJD either. Can't really see the town motivation there at all.
His scum read of me involved continually manufacturing new justifications, some of which were reachy/NAI, yes.-
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It was in regard JarJar, LUV and Vifam all being on gerry's misslynch wagon.In post 2024, nancy wrote:I was townleaning Vifam. Could you provide the VCA on that?-
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Thanks.In post 2026, nancy wrote:Here are VCs for referencing purposes.
Spoiler: Day 1 VCs
Spoiler: Day 2 VCs
In regard D2 VCA, scum had the choice to bus JarJar (from the point of Rauth town clearing RC, JarJar was a dead man walking). Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if 1 scum bussed him. But I'm not going to lynch someone off the back of that VCA as they could have both chosen to remain on counter wagons (as per your suspicions).
I have more faith in my D1 VCA that the 3 scum wouldn't have all powered through Gerry's misslynch on the same wagon (thus, I can't see 2 scum from Grendel, LUV, you and Frogger). Unless evidence/PoE contradicts that conclusion.-
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Been re-reading your D2 ISO.
If mattblackguy is scum, this is the moment where Akarin absolutely sewed up the JarJarDrinks-mattblackguy scum connection:
In post 1007, Akarin wrote:
What does this even mean? You're scumreading RC, but if RC is town, Matt is definitely scum, even though you're townreading Matt? And you have a problem with Transcend suspecting scum Matt but town RC, but your argument here is basically an argument for scum Matt, town RC?In post 963, JarJarDrinks wrote:It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.
RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.
Why should Town RC imply scum Matt?In post 1008, Akarin wrote:
That's not the argument you made though.In post 966, JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean I don't think it's impossible for you both to be town. I just think it's ridiculous that transcend can rule BOTH of you out as scum.In post 965, RadiantCowbells wrote:Question JJD: if you can conceive of either of our slots being town and the either scum, then why can't you conceive of both of our slots being town?
Like if either one of our interactions could have been TvS there's no reason why they couldn't have both been and the whole situation being TvT.
So why is that a ridiculous read from Transcend?In post 1013, Akarin wrote:
Yeah, I can see why Matt's post is scummy, but that's not what I'm asking. You said later they could both be town. But exactly as you just said, you think it was terrible for Transcend to be townreading both of them. Which means you think that if RC is town, Matt should be more likely than average to be scum.In post 1011, JarJarDrinks wrote: The statement from Matt is scummy regardless. I've already said that the statement could come from scum matt even if RC is scum as well. But it makes way more sense for scum matt to make it about town RC.
And as I said later, It's not impossible for for them both to be town. My statement was directed @ trans and how terrible it was for him to be townreading the both of them.
But nothing you've said explains that. Why do you think that?In post 1187, Akarin wrote:In post 1175, JarJarDrinks wrote:Akarin- slight scumlean. I feel like a lot of her questions directed @ me are designed to get me to scumread Matt and/or townread RC. Agree w/ her vif and rauth reads though.I wasn't trying to get you to scumread Matt. I was pointing out that your reasoning doesn't make sense. You basically logic yourself into having a scumread on Matt, but then don't actually have one, and now are scumreading me for "trying to get you to have a scumread on Matt."
I'm pointing out that by your logic, you alreadyshouldhave a scumread on Matt, but you don't, you think Matt is town and RC is scum. And regardless of Matt, who honestly I'm not sure how I feel about,thatis scummy.
It's not real logic, it's convenient reads and then logic made up to support them.
Akarin is already a t/lean, but if Matt flips red, Akarin just won the internet.
Even if Matt flips town, Akarin has still won town points for her logical argument versus JarJar.
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Grendel's points regarding scum-Cooperative Sheep:
"Gives piece meal statements about Gerry being a good wagon then votes Grendel b/c, " lol, Its my flavor""
"Has a null read on Keyser. Which means that Sheep is sheeping a null read, while ignoring a wagon started by a town read (RC) on a slot he thinks is a good lynch (Gerry)."
"I don't see how the above points would be hard for scum to come to a conclusion too. I don't see the above points putting him in a position that would be sub optimal for scum."
"The ability to form a logical argument doesn't equate to town."
"I can’t help but feel that you have been manipulative. That behind your woolly façade there is some real scum intent."
"I feel like you're trying to do more to prove me dumb rather then prove me scum."
"I think it is that you are more interested in proving me wrong then proving I'm scum"
"on my rvs wagon"
However:
Do you still hold the same position regarding that 'scum buddy praise'?In post 1234, Grendel wrote:
I think this is a point against Co-opxJarJar team. Usually don't see scum praise a buddy for joining them on a wagon.In post 989, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I like the cut of your jib.
Grendel's changing read on mattblackguy:
[TOWN]
"I think that Matt is town based off of yesterdays wagon construction (On me)."
[SCUM]
"I usually remember when someone town reads me, but for some reason seeing this surprised me."
"Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely."
"I didn't like the move on Vifam by mattblk."
"your whole case is that "My gut says Grendel is town" with no context."
"My scum dream team would be: {JarJar, Mattblk, Sheep}"
Conclusion
- I liked Grendel's developing read on Matt on D2, from ruling him out as scum (with VCA, when looking at his own RVS wagon) to slowly being more paranoid with Matt when Matt started t/reading him too easily.
- I can see why Grendel was s/reading Cooperative Sheep too - he feels Sheep is not trying to sort him and others, instead he suspects Sheep is deflecting attention away from him with arguments over logic than alignment. He fears Sheep is not actually trying to solve the game, instead being more concerned about being 'right'.
- I would not lynch Grendel before finding out more 'information' on Cooperative Sheep and mattblackguy. Grendel remains in my safe pile.-
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In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:Alright so here's where we're at with the final 2 scum.
Rauth,RC,Keyser,Grendel,Akarin are all town. Don't need to worry here.
You are in no position to say this. Only Rauth.
There has to be 1 or 2 scum that bussed Jar, because only people that didnt vote him was me(town), Rc(town), Kesyer(town), and Sheep(???)
Scum had the choice to bus but it is not certain. JarJar was a dead man walking, so less townpoints to win. What's your thoughts in regard D1 VCA?
[LYNCH ACHIEVED] JarJarDrinks - Akarin(town), Grendel(town), Lil Uzi Vert(???), nancy(???), Rautherdir(town), Fro99er(???)
This leaves Lil Uzi Vert, nancy, and Frogger as the possible bussers.
All 3 lynched gerryoats. I'm finding it hard to believe all 3 scum would be present on that miss-lynch. Am I being foolish and short-sighted to rule out the possibility?
Possible scumteams(in no particular order):
(1){JarJar,LUV,Frogger}
LUV-Frogger: What do you make of their D3 interactions?
(2){JarJar,Nancy,Frogger}
(3){Jarjar,Sheep,Frogger}
(4){Jarjar,Sheep,LUV}
(5){Jarjar,Sheep,Nancy}
(6){Jarjar,LUV,Nancy}
(1) - I think is the most likely team
(2) - It's possible that Nancy bussed JarJar, and flipped on her reads after Rauth cleared RC, but I don't think that's too likely with how the Transcend wagon shaped out. It would mean both Vifam, and Jar were bussing Transcend for barely anything more than policy reasons. Transcend's lynch was easily avoidable given how little of a case was given on him, so I don't think they'd go with it that easily. Probably least likely team.
(3) - Someone else can go until more detail about this as a possibility. Probably second most likely team
As it's the second most likely team, tell me more about Sheep.
(4) - Idk what to say about this one. Maybe someone else can give some input if they think this is likely.
(5) - For the same reason I think (2) is unlikely I think this one is unlikely.
(6) - This one would be a weird team. Idk the liklihood of this being the team.
Actually now that I think about it more it doesn't look like Nancy would fit well in any team. She's probably not scum.
Why Frogger is scum, and should be lynched today:
1. His entrance of the game reads like a super hard bus on JarJar to try and gain towncred
It looks like a super hard bus, but he won no towncred for exactly those reasons. People still want him dead today.
2. He scumread on me was super weak and nongenuine but tried to push it off as truth. Seriously look at his reasons for scumreading me yesterday. Said I was scum for scumreading Jar for a weak reason, and then townreading him day 2, but Vifam(his slot) did the same exact thing. Says I'm scum because I didn't want to policy lynch transcend and announced he was at L-1. Then misrepresented my reason for not hammering Transcend (he said it was only because my scumreads were on the wagon, but ignorned the fact that I didn't want to policy lynch). Says I'm confirmed scum because he doesn't like my reads post.
3. After his back and forth with Jar he backed off of Jar, and started pushing me even though there was nothing that Jar said that warranted him to back off of him. He then pushed me, and tried to get others to push me because he knew it would be better to get a mislynch on me first before lynching Jar day 3.
Scum-Fro99er would have just kept to his bus-plan and finished off the job on JarJar. JarJar was a dead man. If scum-Fro99er had pushed through a 'miss-lynch' on you, his name and word would have meant nothing by D3.
VOTE: Frog
Good shit RC. Keep pushing me Frog. I wanna see how it's going to work out for you.-
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Just remembered this:Had a scum-team of 3 fixed in my head.
The set-up could still be 10:2:1 or 9:2:2.-
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It was the x-shot part I didn't think was good to reveal. If RC knows the answer to the 2nd part, that's ok.In post 2069, Fro99er wrote:
No because if RC is told they got shot then it basically confirms matt as scum. It strongly implies scum jailed Rauth and tried to kill RC.In post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't ask that Frogger. That information is best kept secret.-
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I'd rather NO LYNCH than info-lynch someone I'm not s/reading. We're in a strong position right now, there's no need to let scum force our hand. We wait and readIn post 2174, RadiantCowbells wrote:I kinda want to just lynch someone I know I'm not bringing to LyLo as an information lynch.-
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What's your current read of Akarin?In post 2043, nancy wrote:Akarin's case on JJD was actually misreppy. What Akarin actually should've been pushing for there was an overly pedantic argument/analysis by JJD typical of scum who are reaching for material that isn't there.-
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Do you still stand by this?In post 1816, Fro99er wrote:The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town
I.e If Matt is thejailkeeper does your VCA/analysis say Itownmustbe scum?-
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Transcend's D2 posts (Nancy slot):
Transcend was more transfixed with Grendel's RVS wagon than Gerry's miss-lynch wagon. He states "at least" two scum were on it. JarJar has since flipped scum. (Leaving myself, Matt, Sheep and Frogger's slot).In post 743, Transcend wrote:Grendel wagon yesterday sucked and it contained {Keyser, matt, Sheep, JarJar, Vifam}
I bet at least 2 scum were here.
Transcend goes through D2 t/reading JarJar. He removes JarJar and Matt's name from the wagon above leaving 3 names.In post 745, Transcend wrote:JarJar's play today, although very aggressive and questionable, feels kinda towny.
I think matt is town as well
{Keyser, Sheep, Vifam} is a safe lynch pool for me today imo.
More unsupported 1 in x/2 in x theory.In post 751, Transcend wrote:IMO one scum in:
Grendel
Akarin *
Rautherdir
Lil Uzi Vert
RadiantCowbells
And two in:
JarJarDrinks
Cooperative Sheep Soumil07
Keyser Söze
Vifam
mattblackguy
Transcend will later call JarJar and RC's argument as TvT.In post 753, Transcend wrote:Now taking out my townreads/leans
1 in:
Akarin
Rautherdir
2 in:
Cooperative Sheep
Keyser Soze
Vifam
Meta question: does scum-Transcend hard t/read his partner?In post 784, Transcend wrote:Jarjar is surely town
Transcend has left JarJar out of all his D2 lynch pools.
There was growing paranoia on both JarJar and Matt. Transcend (in his usual unsupported one liner style) basically tries to shut down that avenue. Transcend previously said Matt was town.In post 821, Transcend wrote:Matt's a mislynch.
Transcend was actively fighting against a JarJar and Matt lynch.
Does anyone have playing experience with scum-Transcend. Have you seen him use reverse distancing before? Because this isn't the behaviour I'd normally expect from a scum-team. When I am scum I usually scum-lean a teammate or at least have them in null.-
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Cooperative Sheep's Alt disclaimer: "I'm intentionally trying a different playstyle to test it."
I feel this impenetrable-closed playstyle is stopping me from getting a solid/genuine read on you. I feel like you should open up and shout who you think is scum and who is town (RC style)
For some reason, I feel like you haven't communicated who you want lynched and who you want alive clearly/strongly enough.
I no longer think this is a good enough reason for me to t/read you:In post 1475, Keyser Söze wrote:Sheep town through controlled protown play, would be hard to lynch.-
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mattblackguy: I'm the town jailkeeper!
Fro99er : No! That's not true!That's impossible!
mattblackguy: Silence! Stupid frog. I'm the town jailkeeper. From this day forth...you put your faith in me!
nancy: No! No! If scum is town and town is scum... I don't know anymore.
mattblackguy: Ye-he-he. And now is the time to declare yourself. Come forward and join us... or die.
RadiantCowbells: I could lynch anyone right now.
Cooperative Sheep: Let's mass claim!
Keyser Söze: Let's wait for Akarin before we all self-destruct!-
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In post 2088, mattblackguy wrote:I jailed Keyser night 1, because I felt like he had a decent chance to be killed, and would be a decent person to keep alive.
mattblackguy, explain to me why you jailkeeped me N1, when you came into D2 saying:In post 793, mattblackguy wrote:Why is Keyser a strong townread? I can see him as scum.In post 797, mattblackguy wrote:The fact that Keyser didn't make a vote outside of RVS yet was still active is a little concerning.-
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What result did you get?In post 2272, Rautherdir wrote:Uh, RC is town. There is no way the investigation I got lied, the only way for me not to see alignment correctly is if I am roleblocked or if my target is Ascetic.-
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Yes, I understand why you were s/reading me D2 (despite not agreeing with it).In post 2293, mattblackguy wrote:Or maybe me, RC, and Rauth are all town (ps. this is the correct answer)
@Keyser, End of day 1 you were a townlean for me. I didn't read over your ISO more until after Vifam said you were a strong townread. And when I said you could be scum because you didn't try to counter Gerry wagon by creating a wagon of one of your scumreads (after the Grendel wagon collapsed), it was what I was honestly thinking at the time. I can see scum motivation in saying you don't agree with a lynch on a townie, but not trying to counter it with a different wagon because you don't care if the townie gets lynched. The fact that day 1 ended in 2 days though makes all of this meaningless because I will never know if you would eventually try to start a counter wagon. This is why I didn't push you for this reason, because after I said that I understood the day was too short for this to be a substantive read. I understand why you are saying my read on you was bad, but I don't understand why you keep pushing me on that bad read.
But my concern was the discrepancy of your changed read of me.
Why were you t/leaning me D1 then?
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RC is a 'master of manipulation'. It wouldn't be out if his reach to copy his town meta.In post 2307, nancy wrote:You mean you think he could've been imitating it this game?
I wouldn't rely on my meta analysis though
However, we can't touch RC today because of that INNOCENT investigation. That is what's changed the direction of the game since D2. Plus, if RC flips town that tells us nothing about Rauth.-
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I usually expect scum to more often defend town, than their scum partner.
I have already subconsciously writen off a LUV-Nancy scum-team (VCA), but now looking back at LUV-Transcend interactions:
LUV gives a town-meta defense of Transcend:
LUV telling me to look at Transcend's motivation than attacking his playstyle:In post 602, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why's that pinging you? Transcend doesn't strike me as one to prod dodge unless it's something IRL related.
LUV questioning Rauth why he thought Transcend was scum:In post 816, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why not ask him to show you what he's doing or show you how he does what he's doing so you can feel better at ease? You sound a bit reluctant to approach his play style this way.
LUV chastising RC over his treatment towards Transcend:In post 1030, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why are you scum reading Transcend?
LUV expressing a clear town-read of Nancy (Transcend's replacement):In post 1161, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This push is shit. You call for Transcend to start contributing but you sounded so fixated on your view of him already I highly doubt you would've dropped wanting to essentially policy lynch him no matter how hard he would've tried. Why didn't you attempt to see why Transcend had the thoughts he had on each player and engage him on each of those reads? I can see why he felt the way he did about Keyser for example and would've offered the small amount of meta knowledge I have on him.
LUV stating that he scum-reads Sheep for his push on the Transcend slot:In post 1386, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm really feeling nancy for town and even with what I learned, your play here just seems survivalistic.In post 1664, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I am scum reading Sheep mainly because of his push on the Transcend slot and PoE.In post 2023, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@nancy: Sheep's entire push on your slot is why you're still my strongest town read.
OK, I am going to rule out scum-scum in LUV-Nancy.
Either both town, or scum-town/town-scum.
Other 'defending' interactions from LUV that put me off scum-team combinations:
LUV defending Rauth D1:In post 606, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think him being himself has been enough so far.
LUV ruling out scum-Vifam/Frogger:In post 815, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:it seems like you want him to purposely go out of character.In post 819, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.-
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Any update on Lil Uzi Vert too?In post 2284, Pine wrote:Akarin has not picked up his prod. While he technically has two hours and change to do so, I have begun the replacement search.
Time to unleash Daphne...In post 14, Pine wrote:-
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More about
thisplease when you come back mate.
Your JarJar meta was spot-on earlier...-
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Other items of interest:In post 2365, Fro99er wrote:MBG claimed jailkeeper
RC claimed BP
Gerry was lynched as cop D1
Rauth is backup cop who has an innocent on RC
Jar Jar got lynched D2 as scum goon
I'm VT, Sheep is VT, Nancy is VT.
Rauth said he investigated Fro99er N2
MGB said he jailed Keyser N1 and Rauth N2
No NK on N2-
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I did make a stance.In post 2385, nancy wrote:Keyser was kind of acting as foil to the whole thing, critiquing both RC and gerry throughoutwithout really taking a stance either way.
TvT.
I think my evaluation and read of both RC's play and gerryoat's behaviour was pretty much spot on.
Shall I quote you how I got to my D1 conclusion on their interactions?
In post 2384, nancy wrote:Keyser LUV is clearly never going to post anything, let's just kill him.
Please stop this.In post 2385, nancy wrote:I honestly can barely be fucked trying anymore.
We have time.
We wait.
We are in control.
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Looking back, I made a post-by-post analysis of every one of their 'emotional' interactions.In post 2386, Keyser Söze wrote:I did make a stance.
I even ruled them out as scum-partners.
Please do not miss-rep my D1 play.-
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I disagree with your observation. I actively tried to understand their case on eachother (but supported neither scum-case).In post 2388, nancy wrote:By not taking a stance either way I mean that I didn't really feel like you tried to stop it or argue against one or side or the other.
Only Pine has the power to "stop" TvT fights.-
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I have kept a lid of my emotion this game (in-thread). Gerry shared the same frustrations and shock as me (but heightened as he was the direct recipient of the failed gambit, plus he was the Town Cop - I felt we were in the same boat - but obviously it would be ridiculous to expect me to react as defensive as Gerry as I was a neutral observer). I think hard defending your t/reads on D1 is short-sighted / tactically naive. RC and Gerry were t/reads but not town confirmed. It's only since N1 I have put my foot down very firmly on people I don't want lynched.
I will share with you what I felt about the Gerry lynch after the game. I did ask to replace out after N1 but (something happened). I am now happy to play.-
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D1 was only going one way at that point. Many people had given their opinion on the RC v gerry claim/reaction. This was undoubtedly the prime info lynch for D1 (I would be proved right later). Many of my reads were formed from their very interactions, and laid the foundations to D2 (in that essence his lynch was a good thing). However, I did not expect gerry to flipIn post 2394, nancy wrote:But that's not even what your ISO of that period looks like. I mean you're commenting on dogs and shit. Seriously, do you care if gerry dies here? Doesn't seem like it to me.Town Cop. Where I'm from, a player must always defend themselves and roleclaim before a hammer. However, your slot's selfish anti-town play goaded Vifam to quickhammer gerry and the rest is history.-
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Sneak preview:In post 2402, nancy wrote:
I'd be interested to hear more about this. Maybe post-game?In post 2400, Keyser Söze wrote:I think hard defending your t/reads on D1 is short-sighted / tactically naive.
- without a flip or investigation, I am in no position to hard defend a player based on pure reads
- I used to do this in my early games: I would scum read players for attacking my strong town reads on D1 (sometimes some of those strong town reads are scum)
- I learnt to put aside my confirmation bias on D1
- D1 is all about information, you're unlikely to figure out the scum-team, allow pressure from other players on your t/reads but be sure to state your stance on it (don't lurk and don't keep anything in)
- I must not hard defend my t/reads on D1 just because of scum-associations I think are real-
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@matt - did you answer these two questions?In post 2308, Keyser Söze wrote:Yes, I understand why you were s/reading me D2 (despite not agreeing with it).
But my concern was the discrepancy of your changed read of me.
Why were you t/leaning me D1 then?
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Today comes down to: 'Why was there no NK?'
Was it because:
A) Matt (town jailkeeper) jailed Rauth and scum targeted Rauth.
B) Scum blocked Rauth, and scum targeted RC (bulletproof)
C) Matt (town jailkeeper) blocked scum-Rauth, stopping Rauth from completing the NK
Which one do you believe?
As per my reads, I have ruled out C.
Whether Matt is thetownjailkeeper is the game-breaker here.
My reservation to lynch my scum-read (Matt) is that if he is the Town Jailkeeper we'll lose Rauth tonight too.
Should we keep Matt alive and let scum kill in the pool of VT's/lynchbaits to help us through PoE?
On the basis of RC and Rauth being town...
As per my D1 VCA, there is at least 1 guaranteed scum in [Matt, Keyser, Sheep, ThinkBig] potentially 2 (presuming that not ALL THREE scum were present on Gerry's misslynch wagon).
I have already subconsciously ruled out scum partners in [Fro99er, LUV, Grendel, Nancy]. 1 scum or none in that list.-
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In post 2686, Rautherdir wrote:
You didn't claim cop.In post 2644, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Rautherdir
Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?
This is what you claimed. I wasn't sure what to think about it, as I thought was somewhat possible you were just mafia fakeclaiming.In post 268, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Gerryoat
I claim an investigative with 'cop' in the name. We are lynching Gerryoat today and anyone who defends him is getting lynched tomorrow.This checks outwith Rauth's hesitation and concern at the time of the (fake) role claim on D1:
"Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting."
"That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not."
"I think either you or RC is scum. I have said that before. I'd rather lynch you before RC because of RC's claim."
"As for why I think RC leans town, it's RC's claim and Gerry's reaction to it."
"It wasn't that I scum-read RC as much as I could see high motivation for scum to do what he did. Had Gerry's reaction been different I would have leaned towards RC being scum."
Rauth was obviously unsettled by RC's claim, but was ultimately happy to side with RC (against gerry's natural reaction).