Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[nancy]

Either Sheep or LUV for PoE probably. Sheep's probable partners imo are LUV, mbg and Keyser, in that order of likelihood, but mostly based on circumstantial and iffy stuff like Keyser not wanting to vote Sheep, Sheep having LUV in his scumpool along with 2 others yet never going after him, mbg for them both being on counterwagons when JJD was getting lynched. Maybe mbg, depending on what we do with gamesolving and how likely it ends up being that his claim is real.

pedit thanks but I'm at an all-time low on confidence right now. I mean I'm in the process of resetting and I'm happy to go through the game from page 1 and scumhunt from the start all over again to give you what you need.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay then I need a doublevote here. lmk when you're ready to do shit again

VOTE: LUV

[nancy]

Alright.

VOTE: LUV

[RadiantCowbells]

Sheep, what do you think about the Jailkeeper claim?

[Cooperative Sheep]

@RC - I think what I already said about it, that we should massclaim, and until I get another PR claim i have no interest in lynching Matt today. He is the least towny of the claims, but that still leaves me a lot of preferable lynches before getting near him.

As someone who says they can read her, what do you think of Nancy's flailing around, reversing of reads, and hard wall response to the massclaim? It looks like scum who feels PR walls tightening in around her and her team to me, do you see that at all? Does the play otherwise fit into potential town Nancy play?

[nancy]

Hey Keyser, quick question, how well do you know RC's town game? How does he react to buddying, in your experience?

[Keyser Söze]

I think he reacts negatively to it - easy behaviour to imitate though.

[nancy]

You mean you think he could've been imitating it this game?

[Keyser Söze]

Or maybe me, RC, and Rauth are all town (ps. this is the correct answer)

@Keyser, End of day 1 you were a townlean for me. I didn't read over your ISO more until after Vifam said you were a strong townread. And when I said you could be scum because you didn't try to counter Gerry wagon by creating a wagon of one of your scumreads (after the Grendel wagon collapsed), it was what I was honestly thinking at the time. I can see scum motivation in saying you don't agree with a lynch on a townie, but not trying to counter it with a different wagon because you don't care if the townie gets lynched. The fact that day 1 ended in 2 days though makes all of this meaningless because I will never know if you would eventually try to start a counter wagon. This is why I didn't push you for this reason, because after I said that I understood the day was too short for this to be a substantive read. I understand why you are saying my read on you was bad, but I don't understand why you keep pushing me on that bad read.

Yes, I understand why you were s/reading me D2 (despite not agreeing with it).

But my concern was the discrepancy of your changed read of me.
Why were you t/leaning me D1 then?
Why didn't you jailkeep one of your two strongest t/reads (Alisae / Grendel)?

[Keyser Söze]

You mean you think he could've been imitating it this game?

RC is a 'master of manipulation'. It wouldn't be out if his reach to copy his town meta.
I wouldn't rely on my meta analysis though

However, we can't touch RC today because of that INNOCENT investigation. That is what's changed the direction of the game since D2. Plus, if RC flips town that tells us nothing about Rauth.

[nancy]

Why not rely on your meta analysis? You don't know RC's meta that well?

[Keyser Söze]

Meta can be manipulated and players can play differently - I wouldn't lynch anyone for meta-reasons anymore. Plus, I wouldn't have faith to lynch someone off my meta-analysis either.

Have you been reading RC's previous town games?

[nancy]

No, I haven't. Not yet, anyway. Think the innocent investigation is legit?

[nancy]

I'm kinda doubting both these wagons right now. They might both be Town. What do you think?

[nancy]

Keyser?

I need direction here.

[Keyser Söze]

At this stage we are forced to believe Rauth.

We won't be lynching Rauth (claimed backup cop) before players with bad associations with JarJar.

Plus, Rauth's suspicious play was explained by Rauth saying he purposely played suspiciously to deter attention at night...

[Keyser Söze]

Before I jump off Matt I'd need input from LUV and Akarin.

[nancy]

Hrm. OK.

What about these two wagons right now? I'm kind of tired of waiting for people to return to thread and give their opinions, what do you think about them both as they stand currently?

[nancy]

I mean I'm not asking for your vote just what you think.

[nancy]

LUV and Sheep both look kinda townie to me, y'know?

[nancy]

Sorry I'm being kinda needy here I realize.

[nancy]

I swear I just have one question after this and then I'm done

[Keyser Söze]

LUV has associations via JarJar (thus, haven't been t/reading him since D2) - convince me of "kinda townie".

The majority are saying Sheep is scum, so I have been forced to listen there.

[nancy]

I'm pretty undecided myself, what's your overall feeling about them?

[nancy]

I mean aside from the associations that is.