Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

At least Rauth has more meat to chew on now...

Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

UNVOTE: Akarin, she'll get prodded soon anyways...

Are you usually this cautious? What's making you lean RC for town? I have a feeling I know why but I want to hear what you have to say first.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just like having Gerry in the game he's entertaining

Not as entertaining as KainTepes!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gerry is mighty scummy i admit

Anything else Trans? You're much less involved in this game than in any other game I've seen u in.

Why's that pinging you? Transcend doesn't strike me as one to prod dodge unless it's something IRL related.

[JarJarDrinks]

So you didn't jump on the Grendel wagon because you were scumreading him? You only jumped on to appeal to the two people you were townreading? I don't see how this is coming from a town mindset at all.

I didn't "only jump on him to appeal" to anyone. The combination of the following is why I voted for him:

- coopsheep asked me to. Since I townread him, I figured he had reason he wanted pressure on the slot.

- Keyser (who is also a townread) also was voting for Grendel. So 2 of my townreads see something scummy there.

- I checked the votecount and there was a decent wagon forming on him. Which means it would be some good pressure. Wagons like that are great for seeing how people react to it.

- I read his ISO and there was nothing in it that looked like it couldn't come from scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Not convinced by Rauth so far. I want to see him upset an active player. Feels like he's trying to play a safe game. Once I see his teeth I may get a better look inside his soul.

Why would seeing him purposely upset active players make you feel better about his alignment?

Upset as in engage in an interaction that demands him to reason out a conflict of reads / ideas / beliefs. I want to see blood.

Not "upset" as in 'your breath stinks of penis'.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey mama, I'm all caught up!

I think there are at least two scum within Gerry/Jar/Matt/Vifam.

VOTE: Gerry

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not convinced by Rauth so far. I want to see him upset an active player. Feels like he's trying to play a safe game. Once I see his teeth I may get a better look inside his soul.

Why would seeing him purposely upset active players make you feel better about his alignment?

Upset as in engage in an interaction that demands him to reason out a conflict of reads / ideas / beliefs. I want to see blood.

Not "upset" as in 'your breath stinks of penis'.

I just don't understand why you associate engaging with upset. I think him being himself has been enough so far.

[JarJarDrinks]

I have no idea what is happening but I guess it's RVS so I'll just vote someone.

VOTE: Akarin

Scummy post

No, your reply is the actually definition of scummy. Where's your vote?

I pointed out his post was scummy. That doesn't mean I automatically vote him. I pointed out other scummy posts as well.

Where are the attempts to dig?

What else can I really say about that post? I explained to him why I thought it was scummy.

Do you not care why he thinks Gerry is scum and RC is town?

Sure I care.

[Keyser Söze]

I just don't understand why you associate engaging with upset. I think him being himself has been enough so far.

"Engaging" does not = "upsetting". But it is one part of interactions I like to look at.

Part of my concern I am sure you should be able to relate to. You personally asked Rautherdir: "Are you usually this cautious?".

There is one type of mafia playing style I have encountered that Rautherdir has exhibited. Thus, I want to drill down on what he actually is posting (does he believe any of it? is he willing to broadcast those beliefs to everyone? is he willing to cause conflict in order to push his scum-reads?).

"I think him being himself has been enough so far."

- it sounds like you currenty town-read Rautherdir so I'd expect for that to be your default position. Do you have a problem with me wanting more from Rautherdir in order to 'enhance' my read of him?

[Rautherdir]

People keep saying gerryoat is scum but then they vote someone else...

Is it because:
1) you have a stronger scum read?
2) you think it is an inevitable lynch so you're going to jump on later?
3) are you waiting for your town reads to vote for him?
4) do you want to gain more information on other players then would gladly hammer?

gerryoat is one of the most active players so you should vote for him and ascertain if he really is scum NOW. People are labeling him scum but leaving it at that. Many agree with RC's reasoning that gerryoat's reaction to his PR-claim is categorically scum-indicative.

1: Transcend if he doesn't reply
2: For me it's the 'we have 48 hours left in the day' lynch
3: I need to get town reads first
4: Definitely

As to why I never commented on Grendel's wagon, I didn't have enough information to make a read on Grendel.

And as to Gerry... I'm just going to ignore him for a while. I'll probably support a wagon on him later on though, when I don't have anyone else to bother. I'm trying to avoid the tunneling problem I had last game.

So you went back, read over the game, decided Gerry was probably scum, and also (my presumption) decided you didn't know enough about other players so wanted to pressure them (which makes sense to me, and I like your Transcend pressure) but you're also choosing to avoid figuring out the Grendel thing. That seems a little random, why are you trying to sort everything except Grendel?

(missed this when compiling my quotes - sorry for triple post awesome wall)

Sorry for not explaining earlier, I'm holding off on posting some information until I get a full reads list up. I've already figured out Grendel.

At least Rauth has more meat to chew on now...

Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

UNVOTE: Akarin, she'll get prodded soon anyways...

Are you usually this cautious? What's making you lean RC for town? I have a feeling I know why but I want to hear what you have to say first.

I don't know? You can look at my only other game if you want here. As for why I think RC leans town, it's RC's claim and Gerry's reaction to it.

Pre-edit: I

will

engage. That said, there are good reasons for some town-aligned players to be cautious in their posting.

[Keyser Söze]

1: Transcend if he doesn't reply
2: For me it's the 'we have 48 hours left in the day' lynch
3: I need to get town reads first
4: Definitely

Ok, that's clearer now.

As for why I think RC leans town, it's RC's claim and Gerry's reaction to it.

I didn't see you challenge "Gerry's reaction" until now. But that is the popular theme as to why gerryoats is scum.
What part of RC's 'reaction' did you scum-read in your early T-S / S-T theory?

[Rautherdir]

As for why I think RC leans town, it's RC's claim and Gerry's reaction to it.

I didn't see you challenge "Gerry's reaction" until now. But that is the popular theme as to why gerryoats is scum.
What part of RC's 'reaction' did you scum-read in your early T-S / S-T theory?

Other people were talking about it and I didn't want to post just to agree with them and add nothing.
It wasn't that I scum-read RC as much as I could see high motivation for scum to do what he did. Had Gerry's reaction been different I would have leaned towards RC being scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Well you were one of the first players on the scene after their 'fight' so I wished you'd shared your reasons there and then and explained how Gerry's reaction was scummy in your own words. But it's gone now, so I'll have to let it pass. The seriousness/strength of your read on gerryoats is very clear now though.

[Keyser Söze]

@JarJar - what's your read on mattblackguy?

[Transcend]

Tl;dr this plz

[Transcend]

Oh gerry is getting lynched?

Coo

VOTE: gerryoat

[Transcend]

Gerry is mighty scummy i admit

Anything else Trans? You're much less involved in this game than in any other game I've seen u in.

Why's that pinging you? Transcend doesn't strike me as one to prod dodge unless it's something IRL related.

2 days of work and a sore throat. I immediately fell asleep after getting home from work both days.

[Transcend]

I'll read through this eventually but iirc my trs were rc, keyser, Matt, Uzi.

[Transcend]

Oh yeah and Grendel is probably town just because of Wagonomics.

[Transcend]

There was prob at least one scum on his wagon

[Keyser Söze]

Tl;dr this plz

Is this the real life?
Is this just fake negligence?
Caught in a landslide...



P.EDIT yes, please catch-up when you can. Right now, not even a gerryoats-scum flip would make me town-read you.

[Transcend]

I'm not playing to get town read bucko

I'm playing to lynch scum

[Keyser Söze]

Point accepted. Please continue.

I'll come back to your slot if you lynch town.

[Transcend]

Why

[Transcend]

Nvm 622 was scummy as fuck