+Mmmm, no going backwards now! From here onward we separate the men from the boys! Dam fricking ya! This awesome game is so very...
COSMIC!!!
(4th of July vote)
Why are you obsessed with your alignment?Kairyuu wrote:Fact: Kairyuu is in a game with magnus_orion.
Fact: Kairyuu is town.
Fact: Kairyuu has yet to be the same alignment as magnus_orion.
Conclusion: magnus_orion is scum.
vote: magnus_orion
Mastin wrote:Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:
Mastin Votes: Mastin.
I don't care this sucks so bad I don't care he's dying.Kairyuu wrote:@Mastin: Anti-town=/=scummy. I will not vote you for something I know you do on purpose. I do not think that it works, and this sort of thing is essentially what got people to not like playing with Natirasha, since he always claimed SK in his first post. I strongly dislike anti-town plays like that, but I'm not naive enough to actually vote you over an annoying null tell.
Yes but we can get his moronic playstyle do drop his dam note.ZEEnon wrote:Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.
LOL where's a good day vig when you need one right?magnus_orion wrote:Yes. But he claims to have a death note. As per the rules, we must gain and destroy all death notes, and vigging him forces shinigami to drop death note as per the rules.
I would of thought you would of learned how to play Mafia by now. apparently you have alot of learning to do.Kairyuu wrote:EVERYBODY STOP!
Seems we have a genuine scummyperson.
Note the attempt to get Mastin modkilled on page 1. If had actually done something against the rules then yes, I would somewhat agree with you. However, I think you're just being spiteful and trying to end the Day before the RVS has even fully ended.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Mastin wrote:Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:
Mastin Votes: Mastin.MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.
Mastin DIE!
Unvote, Vote Mastin
unvote
vote: Lamont_Cranston
In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.
@Zeenon: Please check the rules post. The mod said to only use formatting if it has a purpose. Color changes are formatting.
@all: Screw it. Lamont is so obv-scum he get's to die right here, right now.
Daykill: Lamont_Cranston
Adhom no. Criticizing bad play, yes.Kairyuu wrote:Oh God, it's another one. Mmk, I'm just going to head this off before it starts.
@Lamont: Back off. Now. You do not want to press the ad hom further. Trust me.
I love your wiki by the way. It fails to apply at all to actual strong scumtells. Not to mention the fact that you would be hard pressed to avoid your own lynch if you tried to push lynches based solely on those criteria.
@Zeenon: Yes it was. It was totally a real kill. I swear.
Granted, much of this appears to be a joke post and so withKairyuu wrote:EVERYBODY STOP!
Seems we have a genuine scummyperson.
Note the attempt to get Mastin modkilled on page 1. If had actually done something against the rules then yes, I would somewhat agree with you. However, I think you're just being spiteful and trying to end the Day before the RVS has even fully ended.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Mastin wrote:Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:
Mastin Votes: Mastin.MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.
Mastin DIE!
Unvote, Vote Mastin
unvote
vote: Lamont_Cranston
In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.
@Zeenon: Please check the rules post. The mod said to only use formatting if it has a purpose. Color changes are formatting.
@all: Screw it. Lamont is so obv-scum he get's to die right here, right now.
Daykill: Lamont_Cranston
I believe you are scumhunting in the RVS as am I. It's all good.magnus_orion wrote:Yes, I have my reasons. I want to hear what lamont thinks they are, actually...Yet vote for Lamount instead...
ZEEnon wrote:Lamont_Cranston's thoughts: "Why is magnus_orion busing me so early?"
Since the DK part has been proven to be air (can't be sure what to expect in this game) alot of my OMGUS has vanished.Kairyuu wrote:@Lamont: Except for the daykill bit that whole post was serious. I think you are scum, and I feel strongly enough about that to lynch you.
magnus_orion wrote:Way to be vague.Lamont_Cranston wrote:I believe you are scumhunting in the RVS as am I. It's all good.magnus_orion wrote:Yes, I have my reasons. I want to hear what lamont thinks they are, actually...Yet vote for Lamount instead...
What made me vote YOU though?
Lamont_Cranston wrote:I believe you are scumhunting in the RVS as am I. It's all good.magnus_orion wrote:Yes, I have my reasons. I want to hear what lamont thinks they are, actually...Yet vote for Lamount instead...
Yes.Kairyuu wrote:Waitwaitwaitwait. You actually thought the Daykill linking to a funny video was REAL.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Since the DK part has been proven to be air (can't be sure what to expect in this game) alot of my OMGUS has vanished.Kairyuu wrote:@Lamont: Except for the daykill bit that whole post was serious. I think you are scum, and I feel strongly enough about that to lynch you.
Carry on.
Heh. Heheheheheheheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! That's priceless.
You're still scum though.
You don't get it do you? I ignoreMastin wrote:
Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.
Kairyuu wrote: Fact: Kairyuu is town.
I take a dim view of posts like these; alignment obsession.Kairyuu wrote:I would totally do that if we were both scum. It would be awesome.
This is very weak and my gut doesn't like that.Kairyuu wrote:Also, obligatory "Mastin that is so anti-town. What are you doing self-voting and claiming scum? Now we hafta lynch you cuz of WIFOM" spiel that won't actually go anywhere.
If you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of that move, but you've ignored everyone else who tried to get you to stop, so I'm not even gonna bother trying.
An obvious crap case (the bold green section is obviously calling for Mod review) and severe buddying with Mastin?? Once again there is just something wrong here.Kairyuu wrote:EVERYBODY STOP!
Seems we have a genuine scummyperson.
Note the attempt to get Mastin modkilled on page 1. If had actually done something against the rules then yes, I would somewhat agree with you. However, I think you're just being spiteful and trying to end the Day before the RVS has even fully ended.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Mastin wrote:Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:
Mastin Votes: Mastin.MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.
Mastin DIE!
Unvote, Vote Mastin
unvote
vote: Lamont_Cranston
Who believes Mastin is in any way effective?? More disgusting buddying with someone who should be default-corpse.Kairyuu wrote:@Mastin: I don't actually dislike your playstyle, just the initial self-vote. I despise extended RVSs, but I don't really have a problem with the concept if used in moderation (aka. 1 page or less). Usually by then I can find something that I can poke at until it turns into real discussion.I must admit though, your method is quite effective as well.
OBVTOWN MASTIN?! My goodness, this is beyond the pale! There is something very wrong here.Kairyuu wrote:
Why would we lynch him (Mastin)? He's obvtown.
Less Koolaid, more common sense please.Starbuck wrote: Lamont attempted to get Mastin mod-killedI called for a Mod review of his jackasserybecause it hurts the game that the Mod worked hard on. This should make perfect sense to you. Instead you have chosen to drink the kool-aid on that issue.
On Lamont:I agree. Can we please keep personal attacks out of the game?Mastin wrote:This is a personal attack...Lamount wrote:I would of thought you would of learned how to play Mafia by now.And you're wrong. It is a criticism of a playstyle that appeared to result in my death. Tenderfoot much?
Then you are definitely playing the WRONG game.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Granted, much of this appears to be a joke post and so withthatunderstanding I will grant you a genuine "LOL" but generally I have a very narrow sense of humour and so it is harder for me to appreciate such things.Here I think we agree. But I'm not in the wrong game, just in a game where I have to do some adjusting.
I think blatantly ignoring anyone in a mafia game isn't a good play at all and is incredibly scummy.Lamont_Cranston wrote:You don't get it do you? I ignoreMastin wrote:
Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together..YOU
Magnus I have responded to. He refused to listen but w/e. I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.
You need to die. NAO!Normally of course this is true, but Mastin with his Jackassery is not normal and he needs to DIE, NAO!.
This myth has been refuted. Clearly my reaction was based on what appeared to be a vig kill. In addition, itmykonian wrote:I can also see the case against Lamont,and the way (ad hom) he reacted
Sorry if this has been covered already (I am in mid-thread) but can you please cite the criteria within Open 145 that proves this?ZazieR wrote:ZEEnon wrote:If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.Mastin wrote:I wish, Zee. I *think* that Ort's a member of my group, but because I was the ONLY one using the QT and wasn't informed of my partner's name, there's no way to be certain. <_<
Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?
On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?Based upon Open 145, ZEEnon is not town.
IGMEOY
Notice I did not "FoS" Starbuck here. My responses to her attack are my questions. She doesn't seem like the type of player that will just say nothing.PhilyEc wrote:Mastin's case is crap but Starbuck has only make a single post, why not ask her some Q's first and see if theres any reasonable observations to be had?Lamont_Cranston wrote:Btw I see both cases from Starbuck against me & Magnus as crap. My case I have addressed. Magnus' case he will have to address but I will say I like his point where he suspects Mastin.
Those players that are "playing along" with Mastin are doing the village harm.
Somebody please QFT the above. Thank you.
The game is very, very early right now. Two factions are developing:magnus_orion wrote:Lamont, why is kairyuu scum?
...
Ok, let memagnus_orion wrote: Yes.
However, lamont has stated a policy of not announcing what he finds scummy. I intend to foricibly draw discussion out of him.
QFT.PhilyEc wrote:Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.mykonian wrote:he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.PhilyEc wrote:Nuu.. He thinks Mastins acting different to his town play, so do I.mykonian wrote:This is a contradiction.PhilyEc wrote:I totally agree with Zwet.
If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>
Zazier I like your playstyle.ZazieR wrote: Also, Lamont:This. Please answer.Mastin wrote:Why ask for it if you're not trying to get a modkill?
And Mastin, it was not OMGUS in my eyes.
Ahh, a glimmer of light is entering...mykonian wrote:Lets get this straight: death gods don't seem the good guys to me. I don't think scum would claim them, this early. It just doesn't happen often. Third party, with some different wincon, is also not town.PhilyEc wrote:Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.mykonian wrote:he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.
If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>
I'm still trying to understand why he claimed.
Very interesting.PhilyEc wrote:Deathnotes gotta give either Day Kills or Night Kills, Myk. They're powerful tools afterall. Maybe is Mastin is a shinigami, hes got conditions that match up with the anime?
Ryuk needs apples? Rem needs Misa alive and noteless? Sidoh needs to regain HIS deathnote?
This. <3 <3That was helluvah annoying to catch up. This game is flying. Can we just lynch Mastin and start playing this game?
An excellent point. I like how you ask me that instead of just accepting my view of your play.ZEEnon wrote:You state that you find my play as town, but don't say whether it matches up with what they have stated.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Zee, I have found your play as town. More experienced players have brought up a meta-argument that would indicate you were looking for an excuse not to push a mastin lynch. I am following their arguments as I missed this point in my read of the game.
What was the point of you looking up my town meta in the first place?
You meanKise wrote: In short, I am saying that if Mastin WAS genuine on his claim as Shinigami, then thatwouldonly result in a new Kira by the time D2 rolled around.
Magnus, this should bemagnus_orion wrote:You did say Kai was scum, though:I cannot say Kai is scum but I definately don't get town vibes and I have outlined the case clearly and I have left nothing out of what I don't like in my previous post on page 5.
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:
Scum-like
Kairu
Mastin
Case on Kairu to follow.
Kmd4390 wrote:Rem could tell you another way to kill a Shinigami.ZazieR wrote: Also, as long as a Death Note is not destroyed, the Shinigami will be able to survive. Everyone who has seen/read Death Note knows this. Losing it, doesn't affect them.
And explain the LaL bit.I'm sorry, but can we hear more about this?
I think Mastin is more distracting than scummy. I'd like him dead,ZazieR wrote: Don't like this vote as Kevin barely mentioned what was discussed.
And why do you want Mastin to be killed during the night? Why not a lynch?but I don't want to use a lynch on him. I actually don't see him as scum right now.Please fully explain this.
No. People can do things that are perceived as scummy and not be scum. I don't think Kai is acting in a pro-town way currently but it is too early to determine anything beyond that I think he is "scum-like".Kise wrote:Same thing[?]
o_O
mykonian wrote:I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).Pardon, but this was already refuted pages ago. It appeared that I had been killed by a day-vig shot and I criticized aplay-stylethat would support such an action. I understand how you may of missed this as certain people have pushed this kool-aid of an idea.
Lamont_Cranston wrote:I logged in with joy at an awesome, HUGE theme-game and within the first 30 minutesConsoMMastin with great Jackassery begins claiming all sorts of crap which immediately looks like an attempt to take advantage of his position as a neutral to abuse the game. I became very alarmed and wanted to make sure the Mod saw it and weighed in on it if necessary so I asked for aMod reviewand avotecount.
Will we get notified in this topic if a Death Note has been destroyed?
Yes.
Sorry, could you please flesh this out a bit?PhilyEc wrote:
Anyway, to claim a Shinigami role when theres at least three (Gem Sidoh and Ryuk) has me thinking this is a safe move compared to claiming town since you're not scum, you're not town's target and you dont need to make your name known (risks being counter claimed). Basically, I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk since theyre the ones that can kill of town and objective is the remove town members while not getting lynched =/
Yes, when you say "looking for" what do you mean by that since its not mentioned in the rules? How would he "find" who he is looking for?PhilyEc wrote: Yeah gimme a sec, I kinda confused myself because now I think hes telling the truth and wanting someone in this game to know hes one of at least 3 possible Shinigami.
If hes Ryuk, hes looking for Light,
If hes Rem, hes looking for Misa,
If hes Sidoh, hes looking for Mello,
Those three humans have deathnotes at the moment in my opinion, this is all theory though.
I think its a safe move because,
Claiming right off the bat instead of being forced seems more believable, claiming third role if forced is hardly believable, but here no one but who he wants to know , knows hes a shinigami (aka Light, Misa, Mello.)
You can disregard the rest since I dont think hes scum making a move to look third party.Unvote
Its strange that Mastin scumhunts when that isnt his objective though, I doubt Shinigami win with town. Any more clarification needed?
Well, at least its good to know you only suspect me for being immature and game-obsessive...WeyounsLastClone wrote: My two other main suspects are Lamont because:
ofacting like a little irritating kidwith his 'mod please look at this post''please prod these people', after just one and a half daysin the game where there are already lots of posts to read.
Kairyuu wrote:In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.
Kise wrote: All this talk of, "He needs to be vig-killed so the death note is destroyed," doesn't sit well with me.. You guys do know there are also anti-town here? All of you could target Mastin at night and the DN will more than likely fall in the hands of an SK. Our best bet would have been for Mastin not to claim Shinigami at all, because now we're gonna have a new Kira either way... I think... or maybe the Killers are automatically given a death note(?).
From what I gathered reading the rules, if a killer takes a death note, they somehow buddy up with the Shinigami[?] Or do the multiple Shinigami in this game have their own separate mini-game where they are in a "race" to lose their death notes first[?]
(Just so you guys know, I use the [?] "tags" as a way to express my inner thoughts. It's not as if I really ask any of you to reply to it. Nothing more than reflections.)
And wouldn't Mastin be mod-killed if he was telling the truth about being Shinigami?
(Now THAT is an actual question I pose to everyone.)
LMAO @ Posts 76 & 77. If it weren't for the fact that they were less than a minute apart, I would think Mastin was being an asshole and ignored magnus' request on purpose. But seriously, Mastin, you don't need to comment on EVERYTHING someone says. Especially whenever you're not answering a concern or adding anything relevant.. It makes me feel impulsed to skim through what you post & ignore the quotes.
I get the feeling that magnus or Mastin will continue this little squabble over quote-links, quote-pyramids, etc...
Lol @ "You seem to be craving the noose more than David Carradine." I would never have expected Carradine's name to appear on MS. Ok, at this point, I feel the need to contribute something more beneficial. I could commentate on what I've read so far from up to page 5, but that'd be boring.
The way Mastin is claiming Shinigami and STILL being alive makes it blatant that he has not broken any rules, so I may be gullible by giving him a chance to still claim Shinigami. He's claimed to have been a lot of various PRs & anti-town roles.. Yet hasn't been MK'd. So you have to wonder whether any of his claims ring true if he's still able to play. I believe this is why Kai said that Mastin is obvtown. It's rather cheap, and could suck the fun out of the game if all of us did the same exact thing.. And honestly Mastin, this is the exact reason you get NK'd a lot -- You go so far to confirm your towniness. It would be a good idea for mod's to never make you mafia, since you're always in the hotseat D1 it seems, lol. HOWEVER, because scum believe you are an easy D1 lynch, I've started to keep my eye on who's jumping on your wagon and try to make sense of their reason for voting you (if possible). They are likely the best candidates when it comes to making a suspect/scum list.
I might be looking at Mastin's approach from the wrong angle.. He could very well be a Shinigami who "doesn't care for humans." In which case, I say it's a good idea for "certain" people to lynch him in order for his plan to go through (a plan I presume, anyway).
It's up to Gelus who he picks to hold the death note. A townie could hold/destroy it, or an anti-town player could hold it and become Kira. I don't like leaving things up to chance. Leading a lynch on a supposed Shinigami will only lure in the killers to get a chance at holding a Death Note. On the same token, it sucks that probability has to decide whether a vig or a killer win the death note if both parties target the supposed Shinigami. In short, I am saying that if Mastin WAS genuine on his claim as Shinigami, then that would only result in a new Kira by the time D2 rolled around.
mykonian wrote:OK, kai and Mastin (stop with posting that way, I stopped reading them, so you won't get me convinced or something) seem town on page 4.
ORLY? Sure everybody knew Mastin was obvtown here, of course!Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok last post for awhile then. I found two strong Mastin defenders:
Kairyuu wrote:In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.Kise wrote: All this talk of, "He needs to be vig-killed so the death note is destroyed," doesn't sit well with me..
He's claimed to have been a lot of various PRs & anti-town roles.. Yet hasn't been MK'd. So you have to wonder whether any of his claims ring true if he's still able to play. I believe this is why Kai said that Mastin is obvtown. It's rather cheap, and could suck the fun out of the game if all of us did the same exact thing.. And honestly Mastin, this is the exact reason you get NK'd a lot -- You go so far to confirm your towniness.
It would be a good idea for mod's to never make you mafia, since you're always in the hotseat D1 it seems, lol.HOWEVER, because scum believe you are an easy D1 lynch, I've started to keep my eye on who's jumping on your wagon and try to make sense of their reason for voting you (if possible). They are likely the best candidates when it comes to making a suspect/scum list.
Notice the potential connection here between Kise and Kai (both Mastin defenders).Kise wrote:I believe this is why Kai said that Mastin is obvtown
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok last post for awhile then. I found two strong Mastin defenders:
Kairyuu wrote:In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.Kise wrote: All this talk of, "He needs to be vig-killed so the death note is destroyed," doesn't sit well with me..
He's claimed to have been a lot of various PRs & anti-town roles.. Yet hasn't been MK'd. So you have to wonder whether any of his claims ring true if he's still able to play. I believe this is why Kai said that Mastin is obvtown. It's rather cheap, and could suck the fun out of the game if all of us did the same exact thing.. And honestly Mastin, this is the exact reason you get NK'd a lot -- You go so far to confirm your towniness.
It would be a good idea for mod's to never make you mafia, since you're always in the hotseat D1 it seems, lol.