Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[populartajo]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 4 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope)
Gorrad - 3 (Kmd4390, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon

We'll gave them use the notebook in an execution.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through...50 PAGES. I'll post something more concise on Wednesday T_T

[WeyounsLastClone]

At ABR's 'scum wouldn't claim scum' is a bad argument. I would think scum is more likely to claim scum because of some kind of gambit. I don't see how a townie would claim scum at all. And no, I don't think 'to wait for the reactions' is a good reason. Maybe third party is the most likely.

I've been here longer than you, have more experience than you, and the simple fact that I am right and that you are wrong more than proves that my arguments are based on something hard and concrete.

Even if you're scum?

Especially when he's scum. (like now )

[Benmage]

Sorry for the absentness, was catching up from page 46ish. The post is done chronologically from page 46, so things might overlap or counter as I continue.

Gorrad

has

volunteered

to name claim -- this sounds Shinigami-ish with a weird win condition. Definitely in my top voting list.

Agree, this is my biggest cause for concern so far.

Don't you see I'm trying to get the scum into a WIFOM gambit about killing me tonight? I don't want them to know if I'm a tracker or not, so I'm fakeclaiming and fakeclaiming about fakeclaiming to confuse them.

ZzzZZzzZzz

The best thing we can do right now is decide on lynching top suspects instead of continuing to flood the thread with posts.

Agree, zwet or gorrad so far imo.

Unvote, vote Lamont

I'm only voting you because I don't like you. No other reason.

ABR is hilarious.

Y'know, I REALLY didn't like L_C in my readthrough of the first 16 pages. He's got my

Vote: Lamont_Cranston

.

Opportunistic much?

His intentions seem protown. He wants Zwet dead because Zwet brings chaos which hurts the town. He didn't want to lynch Mastin because Mastin was obviously not scum. Although that is a small inconsistency now that I think about it.

This seems like a good read, odd for Kmd =p

vote: Lamont

That’s it?

Who here thinks Zee would turn up town if we lynched him?

And yes I'm pushing for the ZEEnon lynch as of now.

I don’t know…

I am willing to lynch Zee but the only thing that bothers me is that he hasn't responded to defend himself.

This

I thought there were more...

How come so many people neglected to read the rules at the beginning of the game?

Are we certain there are only three? Okay so theres the scum/kira, shinigami and townspeople/those needing to kill the death notes. Does this mean there cannot be a SK role?

He pushed for name claims hoping to break the game. Thats it. Scum wouldnt do that, scum wouldnt make such an obvious move. He was later told what that would make killing people off more easy for scum concerning knowing roles and he gave us an 'ooooooooooooh' basically. Gorrad aint scum.

Hmm compelling defense, where is Gorrad with this self-argument?

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

*grah*

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

Is this more unhelpful non-comical posts?

Kise is lying in 728 about never having been in a game where scum can day talk. He is in one of those games now where scum daytalk is public knowledge (5P Venegeful Setup).

That is interesting.

[populartajo]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through...50 PAGES. I'll post something more concise on Wednesday T_T

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through that also.

It shouldnt be too hard. You had a reason why you agreed with Zazie voting and you had a reason why you disliked his reactions to your vote? You dont need to go through 50 pages.

Also who is Wes?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok the case on Zee is that he knew Mastin was 3rd party and instead of advocating his lynch told everyone that he should not be lynched. This could be a scum ploy in that scum would rather NK a note holder than lynch one because they are 100% sure of getting the note.

Zee is an experienced player and his attitude towards Mastin is called into question. The following paraphrase is from him:

"Ok, Mastin I understand why you are doing what you are and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it."

He then went on to discourage Mastin's lynch.

This is what needs explaining.

[populartajo]

I checked Zee posting and

Ok the case on Zee is that he knew Mastin was 3rd party

can you point me exactly where Zee points out that Mastin was 3rd party?

[Lamont_Cranston]

If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.

Not scum. A shinigami; I'm not saying which.

Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?

I'm the kind of guy who'd want the town to win as an anti-town role.

On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?

I haven't had a chance to get onto EM recently, Zee. Real life and all.

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

So much winking in this post.

!

Zee, you just changed your avatar. :/

I change my avatar every new game I join. Weird, huh?
I'm so sad that I can't use my normally coloured font this game.

Like I said I'm not voting Zee becuase I am waiting for an explanation.

[magnus_orion]

Funny, to demand an explanation prior to voting, when you're being voted for not explaining things.

[Jebus]

Finishing readup, will be done in a minute or two...

[Kairyuu]

I'm back now. Will endeavor to finish reading tomorrow.

[Seraphim]

Um, I need to read this entire game, lol

But I'm back and I'll try my hardest to grasp this monster.

[Gorrad]

When I suggested the nameclaim, I was not even considering the scum's MO. I was trying to break the game based on the game I had run where names were not essential. With that as my precedant, it didn't occur to me that in this game names may actually be required to kill. When I realised my error, I made the post where I jokingly suggested a name and picture claim to show that I understood where what I had said previously could be taken wrong.

One thing to dispell those who think I may have a win condition to get name claims: Would a name claim-suggesting WC not be against the no game breaking rule? It's very presence means that said WC cannot exist.

[Kmd4390]

Lets lynch scummy people first. Zwet can get investigated tonight~ Doubt theres no investigators here seeing as how the game is full of cops.

How about we let the power roles do what they want to do instead of what Phily wants them to do.

No, Gorrad isnt scum. Kmd thinks he is and everyones riding that notion.

Yes he is.

He pushed for name claims hoping to break the game. Thats it. Scum wouldnt do that, scum wouldnt make such an obvious move. He was later told what that would make killing people off more easy for scum concerning knowing roles and he gave us an 'ooooooooooooh' basically. Gorrad aint scum.

So you believe him that he thought a mass name claim would break the game. That's the difference. I don't.

I realized something too that should be benificial if we get to late game. When someone is lynched, their note goes to a random person on the wagon. Town destroys notes. If we lynch pro-kira and their note is not destroyed, there must be scum on the wagon.

Valuable info.

One thing to dispell those who think I may have a win condition to get name claims: Would a name claim-suggesting WC not be against the no game breaking rule? It's very presence means that said WC cannot exist.

Are you familiar with the theme?

[Kmd4390]

Same. I checked here less than 24 hours ago, and come back to eight pages (after I just spent a while catching up in another game D

Will be caught up soon...

Prod received, I've been actively trying to catch up (currently page 19/26)

Be posting in a little bit...

Just when I thought I'd be finished catching up, you guys post six more pages...

So ugh, I'm on 26/32 now.

Really, let me catch up D: D: D:

Currently 34/38 - and skimming up as fast as I can.

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

Finishing readup, will be done in a minute or two...

Love how he's always almost done reading and about to post.

JEBUS, IN YOUR NEXT POST, GIVE AN OPINION ON SOMEONE OR REQUEST REPLACEMENT.

[Kise]

Btw, Semi has found a really interesting scum tell on Kise...

As much as I would dislike talking about another [ongoing] game outside it's thread, here ya go--> When you're in a game (vengeful mafia) that goes on for weeks still in the D1 phase, it's easy to forget things such as scum having a QT during the day. 5-person set up is a very small game anyway, so it's better for scum to talk during the day since that's their only chance to strategize, considering that one of them could be lynched D1. But here? In a

27

26 player game, a.k.a. a moderately-sized game? Scum often only are able to talk at night. But, I have since taken orto's advice and not neglected the idea of day-talking scum here.

It would still be weird to me if they were able to do that here, since every other game I've played besides vengeful mafia only allowed night-talk amongst mafia/masons/etc.

Jesus, Jebus.. hurry it up! This better be an epic post of you're getting the finger.

[mykonian]

ugh, i'm pretty busy on the moment, but here is a post.

in the last few posts KMD is getting more scummy. Gorrad his post that explained his actions was very reasonable, and I don't see why KMD would still irrationally attack Gorrad. He kind of tunnels on gorrad because names could be important. It seems like scum who has found a point, and after that continues to bring that point, because they are logically right, but wrong in the game.

[PhilyEc]

@Tajo
Wes = Weyclon-something-or-other. >_< He made two rather compelling posts about ZEEnon considering them reason enough to vote ZEEnon.

Lamont pointed out the rest but what really caught my attention was when I mentioned how ZEE's reaction to dead Mastin exhibited what seemed like a fake reaction. He got very defensive and I think misinterpreted me, defending himself against some more questions he must've been anticipating. Look back on that and if you agree join us on the ZEE wagon. Its undoubtedly wonderous here~

I think Kmd is town, I think Gorrad is town also. (they seem to be squaring off)

Zwet needs to change his post and join one of the wagons. If none of these people look like scum he must provide adequate explanation for why their actions havent been something scummy.

How many players are meant to be playing this game? I'm seeing alot of the same names here. I'll post again on Thursday for the sake of those trying to catch up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Below is the referenced "over-defensive-much" post by Zee:

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.
Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.
If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.
Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.
I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

[PhilyEc]

You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

That means I was right and he knows this. Nice. I think that alones enough of a scumtell worthy of a lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I agree it sounds terrible, I mean the whole post. That defense was not called for at all. The only reason I'm not voting for him is because he hasn't come back to explain.

In fact, like ABR, I'm going to say Gorrad wouldn't be that stupid as scum.

Unvote, Vote Zee

[ZazieR]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Ok so Zee is either:

A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game

OR

B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work

I think B is

FAIL

. Wouldn't it be too obvious?

What arguments do you have for B?

I don't understand what you mean with B). Could you rephrase it?

Well he is obviously wrong when he says we shouldn't lynch Mastin because he is a shingami. There is a very good chance that he would have a death note.

So the question is, why doesn't Zee take this into account?

Its either

A)

he is just genuinely mistaken or

B)

he's trying to lead the town away from doing the right thing (lynching Mastin) so the scum can kill him and get the note.

My point on B is that wouldn't it be too obvious that is what he is doing?

Hmmm, well now that I think about it...

I can see where he could do this as scum and I really don't buy A. I do see your case here now.

I am anxious to here more from Zee on this...

A is not possible. ZEE knew that shinigami can''t be lynched and can''t be killed. This is stated in the rules. In that same rule, it''s mentioned that if a shinigami gets lynched or killed that he will lose his Death Note if he has one.

[ZazieR]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.

Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?

[ZazieR]

3)

I think he will flip town.

I have no idea what he'll flip.

Why did you ''fix'' this part?

[ZazieR]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.