Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm not seeing the Myk case tho. His behavior is a null tell as has been demonstrated. So what is the concrete scum tell info that you're seeing on the Myk case??

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon

This is goodbye Ryuk.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Gorrad]

NFO! LC IS TOWNDAMMIT

Wow! Y'know, this statement has completely changed my mind. L_C is completely town, and I owe my knowledge of this purely to Zwet's ace scumhunting skills. Zwet, you are a scholar to be able to post such a convincing case against someone so CLEARLY SCUM!!!!!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

LMAO Gorrad you're my hero!

<3

[ZazieR]

I say that they both are buddies in RL, they have decided they want to lynch me and regardless of what I say it will be scummy. They will deny it but it is true.

I agree with Kai and Magnus on this quote.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Look its obvious to anyone who examines there posts that they are working in concert, they have made up their mind and its a personal thing with them. I accept that.

Once again, just to be clear, I'm not saying they are working together outside the game but

inside

they know each other as friends and are working on concert.

I am more than willing to entertain cases/arguments from anyone else that has questions about my play.

[Lamont_Cranston]

(sorry for the badly worded post I'm at work)

[ZazieR]

Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?

YES omg you’re a genius you’ve done it! You’ve found the scum!

Lurkers: Jebus, MBL, Seraph, Stepho
Scummy: Zee, Gorrad, ABR, Kai

I'm down with any of the above 8 until further notice.

I''m against any lynches that are based upon that player being a lurker. Especially in this set-up, due to the rule of Death Note conveyance.

Why, are you worried it'll end up on a lurker? Because than we could just lynch that lurker?

Still no explanation why it would make him more likely to be scum. So do that.

As why I don''t agree with a lurker lynch, it''s because it''s an easy lynch. Both scum and town get rid of someone useless, but the scum get also an free lynch and therefore free NK''s if the lurker is town.
In this case it''s even worse due to the Death Note conveyance. Both scum and town can enter this wagon with easyness as it would be normal to lynch this player. This gives scum just an excuse to get a chance to receive a Death Note.

[ZazieR]

Look its obvious to anyone who examines there posts that they are working in concert, they have made up their mind and its a personal thing with them. I accept that.

Once again, just to be clear, I'm not saying they are working together outside the game but

inside

they know each other as friends and are working on concert.

I am more than willing to entertain cases/arguments from anyone else that has questions about my play.

I disagree.

[ZazieR]

Lamont, what do you think of ignoring players?

[ZazieR]

You cannot expect to get away with holding yourself to a different set of scumtells than those you apply to others.

I do this..because i know i'm innocent so acting scummy means shit. But others who act scummy, well i don't know their allegiance so its a scum tell unfair aint it ...

How serious is this?

[Kairyuu]

Mmk. Lamont has now had the opportunity to answer for the cases presented against him and has ignored them when it was clearly stated that to refuse to respond was to accept the cases as true. He has now conceded every point made against him by Mastin, magnus, and myself. He needs to be lynched ASAP.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, what do you think of ignoring players?

Look, if the two of them want to make a short and concise, well-resoned case I'll answer it. I don't want to have to wade through endless invective and crapologic.

[Kairyuu]

Lamont, what do you think of ignoring players?

Look, if the two of them want to make a short and concise, well-resoned case I'll answer it. I don't want to have to wade through endless invective and crapologic.

Invective is your MO, scum, and if you wanna claim craplogic then you must explain how it is such. I don't intend to tolerate you ignoring cases made against you simply because you don't feel like responding. The cases are there, and have been there, but left unanswered for, for much of the game thus far. Ignoring them will not make them go away, and will instead continue to affirm my opinion that you have admitted to the scummy behavior that people are accusing you of. Get lynched already.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Based on the above, can you see why its better just to accept their two votes so the village can move on?

[Benmage]

You cannot expect to get away with holding yourself to a different set of scumtells than those you apply to others.

I do this..because i know i'm innocent so acting scummy means shit. But others who act scummy, well i don't know their allegiance so its a scum tell unfair aint it ...

How serious is this?

Very, just like answering bolded parts that reference me being scummy.

[ZazieR]

@Gorrad
You already stated suspicions towards Lamont when you first read. But a lot later, you decided to vote him based upon these reasons. Why the wait?

[Benmage]

Lamont, what do you think of ignoring players?

Look, if the two of them want to make a short and concise, well-resoned case I'll answer it. I don't want to have to wade through endless invective and crapologic.

Invective is your MO, scum, and if you wanna claim craplogic then you must explain how it is such. I don't intend to tolerate you ignoring cases made against you simply because you don't feel like responding. The cases are there, and have been there, but left unanswered for, for much of the game thus far. Ignoring them will not make them go away, and will instead continue to affirm my opinion that you have admitted to the scummy behavior that people are accusing you of. Get lynched already.

Ignore the minor insults (craplogic) and restate your case/questions against him because he doesn't wanna search through all tis fluff text(and can you blame him) If you really feel strongly against i'm sure you can make a quick summary or bullet the points against him.

[Lamont_Cranston]

^^^^ Thank you my hero Benmage.

[PhilyEc]

@Gorrad
You already stated suspicions towards Lamont when you first read. But a lot later, you decided to vote him based upon these reasons. Why the wait?

Zaz, dont you think it would be more effective to just concentrate on one person for today? I hate to say it but you're spamming posts in all directions...Tajo has a point with how we need to concentrate more. I know I said I wouldnt post till Thursday but at this rate we'll be at page 65 by then.

[ZazieR]

I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such.

I really hope that you''re not saying that we should only concentrate on those players, because if that''s the case, I''m so against it.
So explain what you''re saying here.

Why are you so against it?

I hate it when conversations starts going in one million tangents and we can get a consensus on at least a explicit point.

Trust me, in posterior stages of the game, if we concentrate discussion in explicit points, we'll know every player reaction/opinion to them.

At this point everyone is going wherever they like and I dont even know, for example, what does everyone think of myko.

See my point?

Then ask what their opinions are of specific players, but don''t say that we should only focus on those players. Because if we''ll only focus on specific players, we''ll have to look back during later days.
Let''s just say that during day 6, there will be 8 players left. Of those, only 2 of them got more attention than the others due to this approach. But at a point like this, it''s important that you also have information about the remaining 6 players. Due to your appraoch, players will have to look back. And I don''t think many want to look back if this game has 80+ posts.
That''s why I''m against, and rather have that you ask each player what their opinion is of a specific player. As long as we don''t focus all of our attention of a few specific players.

^^This is my opinion of what Tajo said.

[ZazieR]

You cannot expect to get away with holding yourself to a different set of scumtells than those you apply to others.

I do this..because i know i'm innocent so acting scummy means shit. But others who act scummy, well i don't know their allegiance so its a scum tell unfair aint it ...

How serious is this?

Very, just like answering bolded parts that reference me being scummy.

Noted.
Also, this

[Kairyuu]

Based on the above, can you see why its better just to accept their two votes so the village can move on?

First off, there are more than just us two calling for you to answer for the cases against you. Secondly, I am utterly amazed that you don't think that ignoring cases against you won't come back to bite you in the ass. Even if you don't get lynched D1 it will happen eventually, since I have faith that other players in this game will realize how your complete disregard for cases made against you is scummy as hell. You see that the people suspecting you are few, and since you don't seem to realize the speed with which a small number of attackers can grow, you disregard our cases, since you don't feel threatened by us.

I am perfectly content to continue to push for your lynch until either you die or I do, and if it's me, I fully expect that others will step up to press the attack as well.

[ZazieR]

That, and I think that everyone currently not voting should place the vote at their main suspect (preferably ZEEnon, but Lamont or ABR would be fine too).

I'm placing my vote for ZEEnon, because I have townreads on WeyounsLastClone and PhilyEc, and like their cases.

Vote: ZEEnon

And no, PhilyEc, I wasn't implying a townread on ZEE in 662. Just scumhunting.

Do you actually think he''s scummy?
If so, why?

[Kairyuu]

@Benmage: Lamont obviously has a good deal more time to devote to the game than I do. Besides, if he wants to find

my

case against him he simply needs to view my posts in isolation. I don't have many, and my case is clearly presented in them. It's not that hard.

[ZazieR]

vote: Lamont

Reason(s)?