Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Spolium]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit Rem the Shinigami much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

Votecount
Kise - 3 (Starbuck, ortolan, populartajo)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

)
Kairyuu - 2 (Spolium, Lamont_Cranston)
Spolium - 1 (Kmd4390)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, mykonian

You make it sound like if I do too well, you suspect me even more.

Yes, it is now three percent.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[ZazieR]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit [url=http://[POSSIBLEtinyurlSPAM].com/shinigami-rem]Rem the Shinigami[/url] much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

I'm not sure what to think of Zwet's claim yet as I'm not there with my analysis yet >.<
However, what zwet claimed was that if he dies that Mastin would have died as well. This makes sense for Penber's fiancee, as he didn't want her to investigate the Kira case for her safety. And when he died, she went to investigate. So based upon flavour, it makes sense.

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit [url=http://[POSSIBLEtinyurlSPAM].com/shinigami-rem]Rem the Shinigami[/url] much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

The fiance and him were really close and an important part of the story. Hes actually claimed a character that can be crossed checked or counter claimed and with the fact that Raye is in this game, she has to be. Its like putting salt and pepper on a dinner table.

Zwet is telling the truth.

[ZazieR]

Also, Lamont (snip) Seriously, stop posting four times in a row or just what randomly pops up in your head. This thread gets enough posts as it is each day.

XD
I'm surprised I didn't get mentioned for this.

[PhilyEc]

Also, Lamont (snip) Seriously, stop posting four times in a row or just what randomly pops up in your head. This thread gets enough posts as it is each day.

XD
I'm surprised I didn't get mentioned for this.

Y-you just did it again.. O.O

[ZazieR]

Also, Lamont (snip) Seriously, stop posting four times in a row or just what randomly pops up in your head. This thread gets enough posts as it is each day.

XD
I'm surprised I didn't get mentioned for this.

Y-you just did it again.. O.O

In games with me, you should get used to this
(And you're sometimes the blame for this so don't accuse me )

[ZazieR]

I'd also like to throw out (to see what people think) the possibility of a mass flavor-claim. When I ran the Death Note MINI, I had trouble finding enough protown roles. I imagine this mod may have had similar issues.

Can you elaborate on what you mean with mass flavor-claim?
Are you talking about names or something else?

[ZazieR]

ok, already two that seem to have much more feeling for zazie.

At what things I should pay attention when reading her? (what do you think makes her so obvious town?)

Eh?
Why do you want to look for the things in my posts that gives those players a pro-town feeling about me, instead of searching for things that gives you a scummy feeling in either my posts or somebody elses?

[ZazieR]

Prod received, I've been actively trying to catch up (currently page 19/26)

Be posting in a little bit...

Gorrad

, did you receive a prod?

[ZazieR]

FYI, I was a one sided lover with Mastin, though I only knew his rolename, not his identity. Because of his death I have gained the power to track people at night.

Ok, I saw that you already stated your reason for claiming. So I'll only ask why you didn't soft-claim by stating that you think he was a tracker, or something like that?
Second question, did you already know that he was your lover at the start of this game?
Third, how did you learn you became a tracker?
And last but not least, since when do you remember to whom you are paired >.<?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.

Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.

If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.

Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.

I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

Thats exactly the kinda stuff I'm looking for, thank you. Are you trying to say you were busy doing something else before the death occured? and that makes you innocent?
And yes I do think the death note user would post when their kill was suppost to occur. I doubt a vig did it. You've seen why. Why do you want to call off the idea of it being a deathnote user so much as well as yourself by WIFOMing? If one was to look at who was online at the time Gelus was I'm sure we'd have a far clearer picture. Unfortunately I wasnt around at the time

Gelus posts when I'm asleep, I'd assume the players from his zone are more likely since you want to bring up that type of timing. It looks like it happened mid-gameplay too due to time gaps between posts.

FoS Zeenon

I asked if you exhibited this action, you in turn brought out a series of defenses. Do you has a deathnote Zee?

I agree here. Seems overdefensive much for no real necessary reason...?

FoS Zee

[ZazieR]

@Kevin and ZEE

Why did/do both of you think that zwet is lying?

[Lamont_Cranston]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit [url=http://[POSSIBLEtinyurlSPAM].com/shinigami-rem]Rem the Shinigami[/url] much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

I don't see how Zwet's real identity (if he's lying) would have anything to do with his fake-claim. I also don't see a connection bewteen Rem & Penber.

I see no purpose for his claim whatsoever and knowing something of his meta, he is probably lying but usually when he does these claim things he thinks he is fooling people into a certain type of action. Maybe he's rolefishing?

[ZazieR]

Duh, that is what everyone was asking himself. But

2/3 of the shinigami we know had a deathnote

, but still, Spolium can't see how the claim endangered Mastin.

Sorry I'm at work but you know this how!??

I can't research right now to se if I'm missing something obvious; i got phone calls...

I'm going to have to vote you if there isn't a good reason. Sorry if I am misunderstanding this.

As far as I know, there were 3 death gods in the story. 2 of them had death notes, 1 was looking for his/hers. Just to say that the story points at the fact that death-gods have likely a deathnote. (that was the point of his reasoning that I tried to discuss)

Well, this was the case in the serie:
The first shinigami had actually two Death Notes. His own, and the one he 'got'. One of these was given to Light.
Later, came the second shinigami into the game. However, she also had two Death Notes. One was given to Misa Misa *shrug*, the second she kept herself.
Last was Ducky, who came to the human world to search for his.
So if this game follows this line, the scum have in total two, two shinigami's have a death note each and the last shinigami is searching for his.

However, there were other shinigami's mentioned as well, though all those didn't play a big part.

[ZazieR]

BTW, you guys are saying zwet made up this fakeclaim? He is a bit late (or early) with his claim, but I don't think that we should lynch him. He would be a tracker (=helpful), and the theme supports it. We should at least try to get results out of him.

But does he read scum for you?

Why, if that is the case, would you willingly not vote for him?

Well, what do you think?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok, I've reviewed each player and besides ABR I also would like to point out:

Semi

started out strong but I feel like we haven't heard from him lately; I'd like to hear more from him on the latest game developments.

Seraphim

hardcore lurking. Started a pre-Mastin-death analysis and that's it...

I have found Spoilum to be very helpful.

I am currently suspecting

Kai, Zee & Budja

for posts about notes that are genuinely suspicious.

I do not like this post:

@All:

What is the case for scum starting out with death notes? Is there

any

actual reason to believe this?

what is scum?

the deathnotes should come from the shinigami, seen the story. So if you include shinigami with scum, then yes, I believe that would be true.

Why does this matteeeeerrrrr...lets see whos acting scummy okay?

I kinda like Philly but his analysis doesn't ring as true as Spoilum's does.

[ZazieR]

myk's 675 is almost all information instead of analysis.

myk's 675 is almost all things that myk didn't like in the play of others. But myk understands that directing the vig can hardly be called a scumtell, when the majority of the players does it

Agreeing with Orto (That's new O.o)
You state what has happened, with barely your thoughts about it and no reasons stated why.

[ZazieR]

@All:

What is the case for scum starting out with death notes? Is there

any

actual reason to believe this?

what is scum?

the deathnotes should come from the shinigami, seen the story. So if you include shinigami with scum, then yes, I believe that would be true.

You don't think that any of the human characters have one now?
Why do you think this?

[ZazieR]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit [url=http://[POSSIBLEtinyurlSPAM].com/shinigami-rem]Rem the Shinigami[/url] much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

I don't see how Zwet's real identity (if he's lying) would have anything to do with his fake-claim. I also don't see a connection bewteen Rem & Penber.

I see no purpose for his claim whatsoever and knowing something of his meta, he is probably lying but usually when he does these claim things he thinks he is fooling people into a certain type of action. Maybe he's rolefishing?

Spolium meant something else with his Rem comment, if he's thinking what I'm thinking he's thinking.
Anyway, Zwet's role seems to be true based upon flavour. But I'm not sure yet on allignment, which is why I asked him some questions.

[ZazieR]

@Kai

My questions I've asked you:

In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.

Why is Mastin obv town?

@Lamont: Back off. Now. You do not want to press the ad hom further. Trust me.

I love your wiki by the way. It fails to apply at all to actual strong scumtells. Not to mention the fact that you would be hard pressed to avoid your own lynch if you tried to push lynches based solely on those criteria.

Also, what's your point about the wiki stuff in this quote? Do you see it as a tell, and why?
(New question: Are you warning Lamont in this quote? And if so, why?)

[ZazieR]

@Myko

My question I've asked:

OK, kai and Mastin seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.

Can you explain how you got these reads?

You've explained Mastin, but I don't think you've explained the other two. Could you do so?
Also, regarding the above quote, I'd like you to explain the following post:

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town,

while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote

And last but not least. Here, you state that Kise still has a good second place. So how come you're not voting him now?

[ZazieR]

@Semi

My questions I've asked:

Lamont_Cranston is an easy mislynch and I don't think he should be the focus of our attention today. Mastin applies to this as well. Of the three wagons so far (Lamont_Cranston, Mastin and magnus_orion) I don't find any of them to be the correct lynch and think it would be easy for scum to slip onto those wagons without drawing suspicion to them.

Vote: mykonian

'Too scummy to be scum' fallacy?

(Though after checking the quote again, it should actually say: 'why do you think they are easy wagons, and how come that makes them not scum to you?')

For clarification purposes, did you pick Myko randomly or not?

(Though you haven't been online to see this question for clarification yet, I just state it here)

[Stephoscope]

Kmd and ZEEnon: If zwet is lying, what do you think his alignment is?

May I ask what do you think his alignment is? Myself, I would believe that he's either scum trying to find a way to appear pro-town, or he's a Shinigami that is baiting everyone into lynching him so his Death Note can be made useful IF Kira were to obtain it from him.

I think he's telling the truth, but I still don't understand why he claimed.

[mykonian]

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town, while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote.

Uhm, no. That was not the reason why Kise was voted, just part of it.
But if you thought this was the reason why didn't you state any suspicions towards those players who saw Mastin as town besides Kise?

because apart from Kai, nobody was really convinced he was.

and nobody reasoned from the assumption that mastin was town, to find scum.

[mykonian]

@Myko

My question I've asked:

OK, kai and Mastin seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.

Can you explain how you got these reads?

You've explained Mastin, but I don't think you've explained the other two. Could you do so?

no, mostly gut reads. Not a lot logic there.

Also, regarding the above quote, I'd like you to explain the following post:

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town,

while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote

And last but not least. Here, you state that Kise still has a good second place. So how come you're not voting him now?

because LC has said in a nice way that Kise can be playing bad/weird. And that he would never make such an excuse (misunderstanding the lies) on purpose.