Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[ortolan]

I re-read zEEnon's opening game posts to see if I saw where myk was coming from with his suspicions. It was definitely enough for me to leave my vote on myk (especially when you look at myk's posts around the same time). I am curious as to what he has to say about zEEnon now though.

Also, I'm not sure ZazieR ever explained what the reference to Open 145 in Post 131 was in aid of. ZazieR what was your reason for voting for zEEnon around that time, I never quite understood?

I am also still getting scummy reads from Kmd's posts, it's kind of a tonal thing. Aside from that him calling ABR town for trying to get zwet lynched is bizarre when not only is zwet often an easy policy lynch but ABR actually does this in every game anyway (tries to get zwet policy lynched), there's absolutely no way it's anything more than a null-tell and I would think tunneling on the same player in multiple games for policy reasons as at least anti-town anyhow.

That said I don't think I can really disagree with this read:

On a serious note, Lamont, ABR, and Zwet are all town.

Although on the other hand when I read LC's post I don't like the "obviousness" of this list at all.

Lurkers: Jebus, MBL, Seraph, Stepho
Scummy: Zee, Gorrad, ABR, Kai

And I am not sure, at this stage, why Gorrad is considered scummy; rather than, for example, a lurker.

So again, I'm not entirely opposed to the LC wagon, especially with the brazennes with which both Gorrad and MBL have voted him on the last page; I wouldn't expect scum to be so unconcerned with their appearance while wagoning a townie. myk and Kmd to a lesser extent are my other suspects.

Votecount
mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Kmd4390, Stephoscope)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
zwetschenwasser - 2 (populartajo, Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon, Starbuck

I've finally returned to the human world.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Starbuck]

Okay, now that my uber busy weekend is at an end, I can FINALLY catch up. Starting at the top of page 31.

@Kise: Experience has taught me that making multiple posts while catching up tends to be a problem (see: Open 145: Polygamist, where I flipped on zwet's alignment approximately 3 times in my 6 or so catch-up posts before determining him obvtown). I'd rather just post the compilation of all of my notes when I'm done.

Kai, don't worry about it because I'm the same way.

It should be noted that since some shinigami are probably in posession of a death note, until they are lynched they are, for all intents and purposes, as far as we know, serial killers, who

must

be eliminated as per the town win condition. (only difference is they lose their "serial killer" status, as opposed to dying)
I think that there's been some trouble understanding that.

I was already thinking about this at the beginning of the game, as to where the Shinigami would fall and you phrased it better than I could put it together in my head.

I don't see how they are mutually exclusive.
The rules state that shinigami are neutral, so that's the word I used.
Lynching mafia is better than lynching neutrals, since mafia have a greater chance to win, since the serial killer (normally) has to be the only one alive to win. Mafia just need a majority (normally). So lynching mafia reduces the greatest threat of an anti-town faction winning that we are aware of (normally, of course).

While this is all true, it should be noted that this game is not necessarily normal, and the mafia might have a different win condition, like the town does.

However since we have no way of knowing we should assume that they have their normal win conditions, considering that if they outnumber the town, they have control of the lynch.

I wanted to bold this for those who didn't see it.

As for your 2nd & 3rd questions: As 1 or 2 people said before me, zwet did not claim at the most appropriate of times. He then would later come out and say no one believed his fakeclaim.. Obviously, he just made himself the center of attention. Do you think this is pro-scum behavior, or pro-town for that matter? I certainly don't, because this is the kind of null-tells that keep eyes on you. I think he doesn't fear death because he's Shinigami. The way Tajo jumped to vote for him made me think that I wasn't the only person who had the same thoughts,. And I do apologize for informing Kira about a [highly-possible] Shinigami, but Tajo made a very quiet/fishy vote and I felt the need to alert everyone. Why else would zwet do all of this?

Zwet didn't claim at the most appropriate time at all. I completely agree with that. He threw everything into a WIFOM there. As I said earlier, while the situation makes sense, I'm still not comfortable with it. Especially after this post:

Zaz wins! I did not fakeclaim.

The earlier questions:
Ok, I saw that you already stated your reason for claiming. So I'll only ask why you didn't soft-claim by stating that you think he was a tracker, or something like that?

I didn't know that Mastin in particular was R. I only knew that R was my lover.

Second question, did you already know that he was your lover at the start of this game?

I only knew that the rolename R was my lover, not the person who was attached to the rolename

Third, how did you learn you became a tracker?

Mod PM

And last but not least, since when do you remember to whom you are paired >.<?

Huh?

@Starbuck - I already told Ben & Seraphim here, prior to my HoS, that they needed more quality in their post. Ben told me tough luck, so I gave him more than the finger. :Wink:

Thank you for the clarification there Kise.



About Gorrad

What, you'd prefer if I asked for a name and picture claim? : D

I'd prefer if you didn't ask for a name claim in a game with a Theme where your name and face being known by the killer is enough for you to die.

I'm definitely on board with KMD here. I find Gorrad to be quite suspicious for even asking for this.

Oh. It DOES say you aren't allowed to break the game. Darnit!

What would be the point of playing if someone was to break the game? Why are you even thinking this?


Caught up to bottom of page 40.

[PhilyEc]

Unvote, vote Lamont

I'm only voting you because I don't like you. No other reason.

^ Told yous he was a jester...

[PhilyEc]

vote: Lamont

^IGMEOY

And I am not sure, at this stage, why Gorrad is considered scummy; rather than, for example, a lurker.

Agreed, Gorrad is lurking, his posts arent fishing but his idea to 'break the game' was terrible. Who wants to break a game they just started? Seems more fun to do this the proper way. Null read on him anyways. He asked for a name and picture though (with a goofy smiley) is he feigning ignorance to get reactions? Scum supporting his idea in his hopes?

[Likes Starbuck's post, someone who can admit people are able to play while reading] +Town Points >.>

[WeyounsLastClone]

Lurkers: Jebus, MBL, Seraph, Stepho
Scummy: Zee, Gorrad, ABR, Kai

And I am not sure, at this stage, why Gorrad is considered scummy; rather than, for example, a lurker.

I'd say Gorrad is considered scummy because he braugth up the idea of a massclaim combined with his erratic behavior.

[mykonian]

ok, suddenly, after Tajo's post, we get some serious bandwagonning on L_C. It is insane, there is almost no case on him, except he didn't react on parts of posts (do you really ask for Mastin style posts?), and suddenly a few lurkers are on him. This stinks a lot.

The fact that gorrad dares to brought such an idea up means that he is more likely town: scum is not that likely to get attention, and come with a plan that could not be accepted. Further gorrad mostly lurks, so if that is erratic behaviour? I don't see it.

I would like to take a closer look on the bandwagon that formed on L_C.

[Starbuck]

Starting at the top of page 41.

Non-game related posts

@Starbuck - You can feel on me any time you want.

This is getting really aggravating.
You 4 people keep going on posting sprees whenever I'm not reading this game. Stop. Now. We are 40 pages in and not every player has even made a substantial post.
This could result in serious problems down the road for us, because it prevents early reads on players.
Its not hard. Really. You find something else to do. And wait a couple of days (like 2, thats 48 hours), and don't touch this game. Allow everyone to catch up, and then you can post to your heart's desire.

I am in agreement with Magnus here. It takes 13 people to lynch right now. Why not let everyone get a chance to get caught up? You guys that are here 24/7 constantly posting are causing a serious detriment to those of us that have had to work, go to school/take exams, etc.

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Anyway, ZEE is deliberately avoiding answering his questions. Lynching him would be slightly experimental, but I'm down for it.

Disgusting. I see opportunistic scum right here.

ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)

Moderator:

There is two votes on me, not one.

You meant to say, "There are two votes on me."

Oh, also noted.

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Anyways, I am currently in exam period.
I did state that I was going to preform a re-read, but being the procrastinator I am, I failed to do so.
I will try really hard to follow through tomorrow, since it is a weekend.

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Owned by the Mod. =P

Game Posts

My suspicions currently lie with Lamont, ZEEnon, and Gorrad. I'm still unsure when it comes to Zwet.

Vote Zeenon

@PhilyEc: Voting without an explanation. Can you explain this please as you have already been asked to?

FoS: mykonian and Starbuck

I'm trying to figure out where the FOS for me is coming from. I read through your entire post and didn't see anything explaining why, except for this:

Why would you agree with that complete tripe?

Are you talking about Mastin?

I am not posting any more until we lynch zwet.

Now that's helpful....

on zeenon

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

Yes, this is the post which shows how Zee knew Matin was 3rd party.

But Zee obviously didn't know anything because Mastin flipped town.


I've played another game with Lamont where he has done this same thing (the whole hypocritical ignoring of people while saying ignoring people is scummy). I'm not sure if that's his play style or if he only does it when he's one faction or another.



Caught up to middle of page 48 (or the last post in the game for the moment).

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc: Voting without an explanation. Can you explain this please as you have already been asked to?

Read on, I explain its a combination of the questionable answers I get from ZEEnon along with his defensive reaction to being included in 3 possible scum reacting after killing Mastin + what the others have managed to derive from how hes approached this game (ie Myk, ZazieR, Wes) ZazieR's involvement is a big indicator that this is indeed a town motivated basis of suspicion.

Question, who do you suspect at the moment?

[Starbuck]

I listed my suspicions, please go back and re-read my post.

[Starbuck]

@PhilyEc: Voting without an explanation. Can you explain this please as you have already been asked to?

Read on, I explain its a combination of the questionable answers I get from ZEEnon along with his defensive reaction to being included in 3 possible scum reacting after killing Mastin + what the others have managed to derive from how hes approached this game (ie Myk, ZazieR, Wes) ZazieR's involvement is a big indicator that this is indeed a town motivated basis of suspicion.

Question, who do you suspect at the moment?

Also you spaced out your explanation of your vote so much I wasn't sure what it actually was. Thank you for summarizing it here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I thought he was town, not 2nd, 3rd or 99th party.

Then why did you find it necessary to say that you didn't want him to be strung up by "town forces"?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lurkers: Jebus, MBL, Seraph, Stepho
Scummy: Zee, Gorrad, ABR, Kai

And I am not sure, at this stage, why Gorrad is considered scummy; rather than, for example, a lurker.

I'd say Gorrad is considered scummy because he braugth up the idea of a massclaim combined with his erratic behavior.

And once again, he

volunteered

to name-claim. He is

very

familiar with the setup and it sounds so strange; I'm getting the Shinigami vibe here.

Pssst: Lynching me is fail here folks.

[PhilyEc]

We're lynching ZEEnon today. End of ¬¬ Everyones suspecting him even if they don't suspect him the most and everyone can agree he looks like a probable good lynch. I dont agree on lynching Lamont, his gameplay is something I see far from being scummy. Lynching someone everyone can agree on is what we need to do with so many players in the game.

Who here thinks Zee would turn up town if we lynched him?

And yes I'm pushing for the ZEEnon lynch as of now.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am willing to lynch Zee but the only thing that bothers me is that he hasn't responded to defend himself.

He obviously knew that Mastin was 3rd party and yet expressly didn't want people to vote him.

Since he is an experienced player that definitely needs explanation.

[PhilyEc]

I am willing to lynch Zee but the only thing that bothers me is that he hasn't responded to defend himself.

He obviously knew that Mastin was 3rd party and yet expressly didn't want people to vote him.

Since he is an experienced player that definitely needs explanation.

Having replaced the guy twice to my own recollection, I'd not be suprised if he doesnt come back..

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well that leaves two options (based on your assertion):

1) Lynch him on his behavior thus far without an explanation.

2) Wait for him to replace out.

Right now we have Wey, you & Stepho voting him. I'd like to hear from some more town players on option 1 before I switch my vote.

Btw, we have over two weeks here right?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Unvote, vote Lamont

I'm only voting you because I don't like you. No other reason.

I actually admire your playstyle but I het lurkers which is what you are doing. Why should you be allowed to get away with it?

And you haven't explained about Mastin not being killed by "town forces"...

[Albert B. Rampage]

I thought he was town, not 2nd, 3rd or 99th party.

Then why did you find it necessary to say that you didn't want him to be strung up by "town forces"?

Because I didn't think he was scum. What is it with you and this circular questioning that goes nowhere?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I thought he was town, not 2nd, 3rd or 99th party.

Then why did you find it necessary to say that you didn't want him to be strung up by "town forces"?

Because I didn't think he was scum. What is it with you and this circular questioning that goes nowhere?

Ok there are ARE three factions in this game right?

[zwetschenwasser]

I thought there were more...

[Starbuck]

I thought there were more...

How come so many people neglected to read the rules at the beginning of the game?

[Kmd4390]

Ort, I've never played with ABR.

How are those town reads obvious when Zwet and Lamont are getting votes and ABR still needs to explain the difference between his position on Mastin and his position on Zwet.

Gorrad is scummy for name-fishing.

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Unvote, Vote Gorrad

. Reading the last couple pages, this lynch may have some hope. People seem to suspect him more than I thought.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ort, I've never played with ABR.

How are those town reads obvious when Zwet and Lamont are getting votes and ABR still needs to explain the difference between his position on Mastin and his position on Zwet.

Gorrad is scummy for name-fishing.

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Unvote, Vote Gorrad

. Reading the last couple pages, this lynch may have some hope. People seem to suspect him more than I thought.

Mastin is a good player. Lynching him is bad for the town when he is on our side.

Zwet is a bit of a dumb clown. Its always good to lynch him when you are town.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ort, I've never played with ABR.

How are those town reads obvious when Zwet and Lamont are getting votes and ABR still needs to explain the difference between his position on Mastin and his position on Zwet.

Gorrad is scummy for name-fishing.

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Unvote, Vote Gorrad

. Reading the last couple pages, this lynch may have some hope. People seem to suspect him more than I thought.

Mastin is a good player. Lynching him is bad for the town when he is on our side.

Zwet is a bit of a dumb clown. Its always good to lynch him when you are town.

What made you so sure he was on our side?

[PhilyEc]

Ort, I've never played with ABR.

How are those town reads obvious when Zwet and Lamont are getting votes and ABR still needs to explain the difference between his position on Mastin and his position on Zwet.

Gorrad is scummy for name-fishing.

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Unvote, Vote Gorrad

. Reading the last couple pages, this lynch may have some hope. People seem to suspect him more than I thought.

Mastin is a good player. Lynching him is bad for the town when he is on our side.

Zwet is a bit of a dumb clown. Its always good to lynch him when you are town.

Lets lynch scummy people first. Zwet can get investigated tonight~ Doubt theres no investigators here seeing as how the game is full of cops.