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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:33 pm

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Gelus wrote:* You may not use cryptoclaims, hypoclaims, prearranged ciphers, or any other concerted attempt to break the game.
Although it's not said whether you can be God-killed for committing "blasphemy," I'd assume that if Mastin was telling the truth about being Shinigami, mafia, mason, tracker, cop & all that other crap, he'd have been MK'd. If I am wrong, then please thoroughly explain how you know what Gelus would do.

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Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,
Mastin
, Starbuck)
Mastin
- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 3 (mykonian, Seraphim, ZEEnon)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,
semioldguy
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benmage - 1 (Kmd4390)
ZEEnon - 1 (
ZazieR
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Not voting:
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, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, WeyounsLastClone


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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:42 pm

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mykonian wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:
mykonian wrote:OK, kai and Mastin (stop with posting that way, I stopped reading them, so you won't get me convinced or something) seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.

vote Magnus


I can also see the case against Lamont, and the way (ad hom) he reacted after that makes him even more scummy, but I don't know how he plays, so could he be town that messes up?
Nice taking a stance and backing it up early. So MO is scum, and LM is scum. Why did you chose one over the other? This just more seems like a way to be able to easily transition to whoever you feel like.
well read. One reason why I didn't continue it at all. But before people think I haven't read it, and lurk, I commented on it, and then continued doing more important things. Some people seem to consider not voting in your first posts a scumtell. So basically, it doesn't say a thing, and it is an incredibly weak post from me. It only somewhat tells who I believe more likely to be town, and who seem more scummy. But with the activity of some players, I can't say a thing about the game, and that is exactly what you are attacking me on.
Wait so your response to my arguement is that I am correct? Im kind of confused here. Did you also just vote because people think not voting constitutes as a scumtell? Thanks for answering how you distinguished between who is scummier though.
mykonian wrote:
myk defended that he didn't make a strong post at that time, and also didn't have strong feelings, something Llama thought a scumtell. Myk doubts it is, as it was one of his first posts, and it was on page five, with a lot of people not posting. The post should be read as a first conclusion on the read, that won't really affect myk's coming play.
If you are going to defend that with "oh it was page five", well just wow. You cant say you didnt have strong feelings if you voted, and if you called two people scum. The fact that you are now trying to post of what was something that sure seemed serious as inconclusive due to not finishing you read, just makes me happier with my vote.
In fact, I could just as easily unvote now, because magnus has not been extraordinarily scummy in the pages afterward. But I absolutely don't see the use of that (it could be argued that my vote is also useless), and it would be a good idea to wait with doing anything till the sun again comes up.
So you have no reads at this point? Why is MO town now? What happened to LC? What about everyone else?
mykonian wrote:
semioldguy wrote:
mykonian wrote:1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.
The 'find' function does not answer all. I say in that post that I think it would be easy for scum to slip on the wagons of the three players I mention. You are on one of those wagons. And I will start with you.
ah, ok. Well, I can't defend that I'm on one of them. But, esspecially as I have already mentioned twice that this vote isn't going to be there when I finally find a good place for it, I think you are a bit too worried about magnus.
So why are you leaving your vote on him then if you dont think he is scum? I never understand why people try and do stuff like that.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:53 pm

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My god, you guys move so fast on my overnight!

Just so you guys know, I'm in the US Navy and am stationed in Sicily. My working hours can be weird during the week so I may only be able to post to keep up activity, but I'll always be reading along. Sometimes my work week can be rather light and I can catch up at work, and sometimes its not and all I can do is read. I keep a notepad document going while I catch up, so expect walls-o-text from me. I do apologize ahead of time.

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
PhilyEc wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Btw I see both cases from Starbuck against me & Magnus as crap. My case I have addressed. Magnus' case he will have to address but I will say I like his point where he suspects Mastin.

Those players that are "playing along" with Mastin are doing the village harm.

Somebody please QFT the above. Thank you.
Mastin's case is crap but Starbuck has only make a single post, why not ask her some Q's first and see if theres any reasonable observations to be had?
Notice I did not "FoS" Starbuck here. My responses to her attack are my questions. She doesn't seem like the type of player that will just say nothing. :wink:

QFT on that!



Btw, I posted 296 before catching up. It was nice to see a post from you Ben.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:56 pm

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ZazieR wrote: Also, as long as a Death Note is not destroyed, the Shinigami will be able to survive. Everyone who has seen/read Death Note knows this. Losing it, doesn't affect them.
And explain the LaL bit.
Rem could tell you another way to kill a Shinigami. :wink:
ZazieR wrote: Don't like this vote as Kevin barely mentioned what was discussed.
And why do you want Mastin to be killed during the night? Why not a lynch?
I think Mastin is more distracting than scummy. I'd like him dead, but I don't want to use a lynch on him. I actually don't see him as scum right now.
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Kmd4390 wrote: No. You came on and saw serious stuff and didn't know how to respond in a townie way, so you took the easy way out and jokevoted instead.
This is just false.
Well you obviously won't admit that, but it's my theory.
Benmage wrote: I in no way acted scummy and barely even posted, and you wanted to wagon. Definitely a scummy idea imo.
Don't you think that bandwagon would have given us some juicy information?
Mastin wrote:Hmm, can't seem to find it on a skim. Might've been someone else, but SOMEONE said in 760 that it was best to just lynch Jesters, anyway.
:lol:

That's what a jester would say.
zwetschenwasser wrote: Look at KMD's behavior in Paris Mafia. He has become a role model for jesters, and a convenient way for scum to WIFOM the town out of lynching them. I call BS on Mastin's assertion that he plays this way at the start of games, as I've never seen him be this completely gutsy and over-the-top random. IT'S TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOWN.
You referenced one of the most fun games I've ever played in. I mean, how many people can CLAIM JESTER, convince the town that it is best to lynch the jester in a game where lynching the two jesters ends the game, and STILL get lynched. Oh, and throw in some fun. Yeah, that was fun though.

I see your point though. Mastin is kind of starting out how I did there. Very scummy at the start. People will back off because they are scared he's a jester. He'll act protown, but not too much. He'll start getting scummy. And we'll lynch him. That is,
if
he is actually a jester playing how I did in Paris Mafia.
Benmage wrote: Could you link this Paris Mafia?
I'll go get it after this post if Zwet hasn't yet.

So. Zazie and Lamont are town. Magnus is probably town. Benmage is scum. Mastin isn't scum, but could be third party. My vote is staying on Benmage for now.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:58 pm

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By the way, this is the game where I played amazingly as a jester. Where I claimed jester and made the town and scum both think it was best for them to lynch me.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:00 pm

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Kise wrote: In short, I am saying that if Mastin WAS genuine on his claim as Shinigami, then that
would
only result in a new Kira by the time D2 rolled around.
You mean
could
don't you?
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:07 pm

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magnus_orion wrote:
I cannot say Kai is scum but I definately don't get town vibes and I have outlined the case clearly and I have left nothing out of what I don't like in my previous post on page 5.
You did say Kai was scum, though:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:

Scum-like

Kairu
Mastin

Case on Kairu to follow.
Magnus, this should be
very
clear to you:

scum-like
=/=
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necessarily
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I will point out again that it is very early, but it is clear that Kai is on the
wrong
side of this argument and I do not yet know why...
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:11 pm

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Same thing[?]

o_O
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.

Yet…
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:39 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:
ZazieR wrote: Also, as long as a Death Note is not destroyed, the Shinigami will be able to survive. Everyone who has seen/read Death Note knows this. Losing it, doesn't affect them.
And explain the LaL bit.
Rem could tell you another way to kill a Shinigami. :wink:
I'm sorry, but can we hear more about this?

ZazieR wrote: Don't like this vote as Kevin barely mentioned what was discussed.
And why do you want Mastin to be killed during the night? Why not a lynch?
I think Mastin is more distracting than scummy. I'd like him dead,
but I don't want to use a lynch on him
. I actually don't see him as scum right now.
Please fully explain this.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:41 pm

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Kise wrote:Same thing[?]

o_O
No. People can do things that are perceived as scummy and not be scum. I don't think Kai is acting in a pro-town way currently but it is too early to determine anything beyond that I think he is "scum-like".
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:47 pm

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Stephoscope wrote:Upon first read, I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another. I think the way this game started, gameplay getting off to a quick start with lots of pages while some players hadn't even posted yet, is probably being taken advantage of by the scum. I'm not used to games with this many players though, so I don't have a good feel for how they typically start.

I think Lamont is town. I think he is playing aggressively, and alerted the mod when he saw what he thought was a violation, but that doesn't mean he's scum. And his OMGUS's don't concern me. I OMGUS all the time as town, because I always think I'm acting so townie that anyone who would want me dead must be scum.
What/Which posts are given you these vibes?
Also, the last sentence of the first paragraph seems like a newbie defence for large games. Not liking that. Especially as you've played a large theme game before in which you didn't feel the need to point this out. So why's that?
And last, why did you only give a detailed version of your opinion for Lamont, and not for other players who already had posted?
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:16 am

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@Llama. Yes, I really get drowned in this game. I have people that I think are more likely to be town, based on how they post (Kairyuu, KMD, You), I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).

I think Mastin didn't make up his story, and is now saying it was not serious, something that makes me think we should actually lynch him. The way he posted in the start, it seemed weird. This made me think that he was shinigami, but not in danger/not harmful to town. Now he tried to say he was simple town, and I don't buy it. But mastin confuses me a lot, and it is practically impossible to get a read on him.

Zeenon and Zazie? I have no idea.

Forgot Magnus again, didn't I? Well, his reaction on Mastin is not that strong, he plays a bit weird, so I can see what is happening there. But, lately, he doesn't really stand out to me.

Now you know about what I think, and I think the most important person, because of the claim, should be Mastin, but, while my vote on Magnus doesn't hurt, and could only be used to pressure Magnus by someone else, a vote on Mastin should be used more careful, I think, as it is later in the game, and should be a serious, and well reasoned vote. But if it makes you happy, I could
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:24 am

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Mastin wrote:Right, so, your logic says that too much content is harmful.

Content-->Material to work with in scum hunting.

So, basically, you think I'm providing too much information in my scum hunting.

That works...HOW?!?
A spammer of posts is someone who gets out a gattling gun, puts a tiny bit of what they need to say into each round while stretching it out into a long post (aka you surgically mutilating posts so you end up quoting about a third of a sentence each time, just bloody quote what post you're address, trim out what isnt towards you.)

You then go on to aim this gattling gun at the game and make 6 pages of irritatingly laidout posts before most of the players can even make it into the game.

This is why I want you to stfu or else fix your gameplay, if you've got something to SAY pile it into one summary and make it clear what you're trying to say about someones post. Afterall, I've seen you twice say that someones said in a paragraph what would take you a page to say. (to Ace in Polygamist and to Zeenon here). I hate having to call this out but its very hard to tell what you're even trying to say for me if its all divided up and no point is being pressed into. This'll become even more of a problem if replacements come into play or people attempt to re-read the game including your posts.

Does that make me more clear? It has nothing to do with alignment, its not making me see you as scummy, its making the game harder to play and revise.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:28 am

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mykonian wrote:I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).
Pardon, but this was already refuted pages ago. It appeared that I had been killed by a day-vig shot and I criticized a
play-style
that would support such an action. I understand how you may of missed this as certain people have pushed this kool-aid of an idea.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:32 am

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Mastin wrote:
The key to catching the RVS in any given game:

Log in before Mastin does. :P
Or be online when Zaz first posts something in the game ;)

Mastin, about the Misa stuff, I did all that due to this. Somebody stole the role that is perfect for me >.<, and now, that player will pay for it :twisted:
As for the prettier comment, ABR is in this game. I'm not gonna link for this reason >.<

As for metaing (Yes, it's a word >.< Say it's not, and you'll feel the consequences :twisted:) I know it's not foolproof. It's failed me lately. But I'm positive that I'll be correct one game, so I'm now working towards that >.< Besides, ZEEnon is scummy.

I've already explained why I'm doing the many posts. But are you using that as a comparison towards my point against ZEEnon?

Of course you can have fun. Don't I do the same in my games?
But like I pointed out, even the flying pumpkin seemed more likelier to have in this game >.<
Also, later it became more obv to me that you were joking. At the start, I didn't know what to think. I don't think it means anything for now.

And I thought as well that Lamont tried to get you modkilled (he later said that that wasn't his attention, so I'll have to look at that as well), however I don't see anything in that quote that was a modkillable offense :?
Mastin wrote:1: It got us out of the RVS, even with so few players, in a VERY short time span,

2: It got us debating,

3: It got us scum hunting,

4: It caught scum,

5: And gave me an excellent read on most players at the time,

6: And I imagine will continue to help me get a read on other players weighing in.
I disagree. Selfvoting can be seen as scummy depending on the players involved. I've seen a self-vote in three games now. The first two, both the main discussers about the self-vote were town. One of the players involved was scum though in both cases, but as most players were looking at the main discussers, this player got barely noticed. In the third game, scum self-voted at the start as he always does that. Can you guess who that was, Mastin ;)?
Due to the other two examples, I think it's bad as it gets us out of the RVS, but with a weak attack in which many players have a different vision to even when not based upon allignment. So 1 is perhaps true, but it lead to a bad 2 and 3. I disagree with 4. Which leaves only 5 and 6. And these reads will change with the players who are looking at it if they look at it.
tl;dr I think traps are bad for town.

We'll see at the end if it actually worked, but at this moment, I don't think it did.

As for the connection, I pointed it out in case one of you flip. I will get back to that connection I pointed out if/when that happens.

As you probably later saw, I don't think you should be lynched based upon the claim in the RVS alone.

You probably also saw that I asked Kai why he thinks you're obv-town, not you. So let him answer.

And yeah, you indeed commented right after Lamont asked the mod to look at that quote. However, I don't get the impression that you see it as scummy when you first responded to it. Only after Kai responded to it, you give me the impression that you see it as scummy.

Exactly, only if a pro-town player gets the Death Note, it will be destroyed. And have you seen the bit I underlined in that post?
Also, this:
Tah Rules wrote:Any scum player possessing a Death Note is Kira. There can be multiple Kiras, even at the same time, and there even can be no Kiras.
This implies to me, that at least one scum player has a death note. So I say that your point is invalid.
Mastin wrote:Well, it looked like bussing to me. What do you think?
Is this aimed at me :? If so, I'll answer this when Magnus has finally given his reason for voting Lamont.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:37 am

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ZEEnon wrote:Just do what I do and just skim it.
Do you have something to say about any explanation Mastin has given in post 229 or not?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:42 am

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Lamont_Cranston wrote:
I logged in with joy at an awesome, HUGE theme-game and within the first 30 minutes
ConsoM
Mastin with great Jackassery begins claiming all sorts of crap which immediately looks like an attempt to take advantage of his position as a neutral to abuse the game. I became very alarmed and wanted to make sure the Mod saw it and weighed in on it if necessary so I asked for a
Mod review
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:48 am

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Mastin wrote:Explain to me how that's a "safe" claim, Phil.
Well the way I see it, to start of a game by saying you're the character that can't be NK'd or lynched. Yes that is a safe move to make and more convincing than if you were forced to tell us this. If you anticipated this would end up happening and decided to tell us now for the sake for your own SAFETY thats pretty much the only reason I can see.

I doubt you caught scum doing it as you suggest when barely anyone was here at the time. Btw, I'm assuming you're searching for a character in this game as one of your role's objectives. This is ano &ther reason why you could've revealed I'm suspicious of why you did it.

(Starting to think your claim is legit already)

Anyway, to claim a Shinigami role when theres at least three (Gem Sidoh and Ryuk) has me thinking this is a safe move compared to claiming town since you're not scum, you're not town's target and you dont need to make your name known (risks being counter claimed). Basically, I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk since theyre the ones that can kill of town and objective is the remove town members while not getting lynched =/

Make sense now? :]
Mastin wrote:It worked. Lamount has been exposed, possibly Magnus as well.

I'd call that lure a success.
Lamont exposed as an aggresive townie in my eyes. Only Magnus is acting dodgy, still you voted for Magnus instantly and seem to just be throwing the shady acts others bring up upon Magnus into the case you had O-o
Mastin wrote:Phil's trying to discredit my attempts at scum hunting. (If this is not the case, then how do you explain the "bs'er" part?)
All you did was bicker with Magnus for a couple pages while everyone else was at work and or asleep. I see 3 people agree with you, on Lamount, some may be opportunistic scum, could be the same deal for your wagon. Case is you're made nothing clear. Your scumhunting was a gambit claim and since then all you've been doing is defending yourself and entering agruements with Magnus.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:48 am

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Lamont_Cranston wrote:
mykonian wrote:I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).
Pardon, but this was already refuted pages ago. It appeared that I had been killed by a day-vig shot and I criticized a
play-style
that would support such an action. I understand how you may of missed this as certain people have pushed this kool-aid of an idea.
Sorry. I'll scratch it then. I thought you acted a bit aggressive (language, not play)
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:52 am

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Phily, as the rules state that their death note will be destroyed, and we agree that a deathnote is something you want to keep, it should not be save for a shinigami to claim:
unless he has no deathnote
, or some other less likely situation. It is not a scum-move, as we have to destroy those deathnotes, also from shinigami.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:58 am

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Mastin wrote:I was keeping track VERY closely for a DARN-good reason, Zaz (for a reason I won't reveal), and Kai was, indeed, the second-to-last to confirm, but Ort was the last. Third and fourth-last were Zwet and Budja. But that doesn't change the fact that Ort was last.
Well, this doesn't really answer my question why it's only used against Orto :?

I'm on it. Will check past games to see if it has happened somewhere that scum weren't allowed to talk pre-game. I can remember this was the case somewhere.

And can you explain what a MIT is?
You did explain that it's scummy at the start of a game, but later in the game I thought you said it was pro-town. Not sure now anymore :? Will check later.

And stop responding to things aimed at Kai >.<
I mean it, or Rena will visit you and you'll be my victim before Misa Misa *shrug* will be my victim ;)
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:33 am

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Will we get notified in this topic if a Death Note has been destroyed?
Yes.
Mod, will we be notified in thread of a note is transferred?

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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:38 am

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PhilyEc wrote:
Anyway, to claim a Shinigami role when theres at least three (Gem Sidoh and Ryuk) has me thinking this is a safe move compared to claiming town since you're not scum, you're not town's target and you dont need to make your name known (risks being counter claimed). Basically, I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk since theyre the ones that can kill of town and objective is the remove town members while not getting lynched =/
Sorry, could you please flesh this out a bit?
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