Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

You forgot the Robot Chicken when he claimed Death Miller as scum

Votecount
Kise - 3 (Starbuck, ortolan, populartajo)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

)
Kairyuu - 2 (Spolium, Lamont_Cranston)
Spolium - 1 (Kmd4390)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, mykonian

So if a Shinigami develops feelings for a human, and in order to extend that human's life, kills another person, the shinigami will die...

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote: zwet.

[Kise]

Doesn't mean much to me if you think I'm scummy. You also think Gorrad is town, and he suggested we all flavor claim.. So that tells me a lot about how (in)valuable your viewpoint can be. I'm not going to ignore anyone who addresses me. That's not being dodgy.. and I do believe I asked earlier how Gorrad gets a town read from you.

1. Here.
2. Kira are not here to help the town. Kira are the killers, in case you somehow forgot. You say Kiras would help by lynching Naomi, who would presumably be pro-town? I don't think so. Perhaps you mean to say Naomi would help us by lynching the fake-Naomi(?), in which that would be more accurate. But it still doesn't help that whoever Naomi is would have identified themselves to any more killers with death notes.

Zwet admits to fakeclaiming, so he intentionally wanted to make himself a target.. Might be best if a vig gets to him first, if you know what I mean.

[mykonian]

So now we have to take into account a town commiting anti-town acts on purpose and letting destruction ensue? I really wouldn't include the possibility of him lying as town. Zwet aint an idiot.

He isn't?

I've seen him:
-Fakeclaim in Medieval Mafia as town
-Claim role flavor IN AN OPEN GAME that didn't exist
-lie about a post restriction (I wasn't in the game, but I saw it)

There's probably a lot more, but that's off the top of my head.

the problem is, that this one actually makes sense. If he fakeclaimed, he wasn't an idiot. If he claimed, he was, as the timing, seen from town, is horrible.

[Benmage]

zwet: did you know Mastin was town before he died? and when did you find out he had been a tracker?

I agree that it was probably unnecessary/undesirable for you to claim

Nobody believed my fakeclaim...

Wow...i'll just take this as it is.

[Kmd4390]

You forgot the Robot Chicken when he claimed Death Miller as scum

Wait, he was scum?

[mykonian]

zwet: did you know Mastin was town before he died? and when did you find out he had been a tracker?

I agree that it was probably unnecessary/undesirable for you to claim

Nobody believed my fakeclaim...

am I the only one who thinks we should take the risk, and look at this tomorrow again? It is in no way proscum play, so nobody really has a case on him, and we may gain here something because nobody really knows anything about zwet now. Lets let WIFOM solve this?

[Kise]

So Tajo just ignores me? Great.. and then votes for zwet, who

undoubtedly

wanted to become a target. Way I see it, Tajo is trying to get 'something' out of lynching zwet. That something? A death note, kiddies.

I do truly believe we have found Shinigami in zwet.

@Tajo - FFS, how come Steph is cool IYO for thinking of both Lamont & Mastin as townies?

Vote: zwetschenwasser

Sorry to draw MORE attention to zwet, but I feel fishy about Tajo jumping to lynch zwet, especially when I think him and I have reached a similar conclusion. Only thing is, Tajo did not give details to accompany his vote.. Not sure which is the better move, though: Lynching a suspected-Shinigami in hopes of destroying their death note, or lynching a suspected-Kira[?]

[mykonian]

did I miss something? when did we learn what kind of scum zwet is?

vote Kise

when do we actually learn what zwet his allignment is? all you people so easily jump on a claim...

[Lamont_Cranston]

You forgot the Robot Chicken when he claimed Death Miller as scum

Wait, he was scum?

YUP!

[Kmd4390]

Lets let WIFOM solve this?

What do you mean by this?

[populartajo]

Kise, please point me to your questions. Im in the office so I cant spend much time searching for it.

As for my zwet vote, I dont think it needs an explanation. Zwet WASNT playing his town meta until Mastin died. Then he claimed something that made some sense but when asked about more details (like why did he attack Mastin early?) he then said he fakeclaimed.

[PhilyEc]

Doesn't mean much to me if you think I'm scummy. You also think Gorrad is town, and he suggested we all flavor claim.. So that tells me a lot about how (in)valuable your viewpoint can be. I'm not going to ignore anyone who addresses me. That's not being dodgy.. and I do believe I asked earlier how Gorrad gets a town read from you.

1. Here.
2. Kira are not here to help the town. Kira are the killers, in case you somehow forgot. You say Kiras would help by lynching Naomi, who would presumably be pro-town? I don't think so. Perhaps you mean to say Naomi would help us by lynching the fake-Naomi(?), in which that would be more accurate. But it still doesn't help that whoever Naomi is would have identified themselves to any more killers with death notes.

Zwet admits to fakeclaiming, so he intentionally wanted to make himself a target.. Might be best if a vig gets to him first, if you know what I mean.

1. He was being sarchastic me thinks.
2. Kiras kill, they dont lynch. Wtf are you on about. You said Kira would kill the one that counter claimed but do Kiras know who other Kiras are? Would they be able to tell whos lying? Not only that now you're saying Kiras would lynch Naomi? No no, earlier you made it clear you meant they'd take out the real Naomi using their deathnote, dont go trying to change what context you were on about.
If Naomi was revealed and the other was scum, and Kira killed the real Naomi that day like you said earlier then we'd simple lynch the other person like I SAID.

[populartajo]

FYI, I was a one sided lover with Mastin, though I only knew his rolename, not his identity. Because of his death I have gained the power to track people at night.

People were speculating as to whether or not mastin was a tracker. I'm confirming he was

Nobody believed my fakeclaim...

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

[Kise]

@Tajo - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 16#1710316

2. And

Kira would be doing us a great deal of help as we lynch the other person

and save ourself a night kill.

If not Naomi, then who is the other person?

If Naomi was revealed and the other was scum, and Kira killed the real Naomi that day like you said earlier then we'd simple lynch the other person like I SAID.

OK, we lynch the Kira who fakeclaimed to be Naomi.. but there are more than one Kira. The other Kira would target the real Naomi. This is what I'm getting at.

Zwet wasn't being sarcastic. Don't be so naive. Unless you're trying to NK him by yourself, I don't see how you could dismiss his behavior so easily.

[Kmd4390]

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

You mean Medieval where he said he was looking for reactions and never said what he took from the reactions?

[mykonian]

Lets let WIFOM solve this?

What do you mean by this?

I think I'm not the only one confused about zwet. I want to see him tomorrow around too.

[PhilyEc]

@Tajo - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 16#1710316

2. And

Kira would be doing us a great deal of help as we lynch the other person

and save ourself a night kill.

If not Naomi, then who is the other person?

Just wow man. Its Zwet & X. If there was a counter claim, 1 of the two would be scum. I still think Zwet is her.

If Naomi was revealed and the other was scum, and Kira killed the real Naomi that day like you said earlier then we'd simple lynch the other person like I SAID.

OK, we lynch the Kira who fakeclaimed to be Naomi.. but there are more than one Kira. The other Kira would target the real Naomi. This is what I'm getting at.[/quote]

And? Im very happy getting one deathnote from scum on Day One with us losing one townie. Someone has to get Nk'd anyway like. With 25 players it'll take them a while to win if one of the deathnotes is gone after Day One.

Zwet wasn't being sarcastic. Don't be so naive. Unless you're trying to NK him by yourself, I don't see how you could dismiss his behavior so easily.

Thats like me claiming Lights dad as scum and hoping no one got that role. Its just quite unlikely he'd throw himself out there if he wasnt the lover. If he is lying hes town anyway, scum would never make such a move fullstop

[PhilyEc]

Sorry, messed up that second quote.

[Kmd4390]

Lets let WIFOM solve this?

What do you mean by this?

I think I'm not the only one confused about zwet. I want to see him tomorrow around too.

Are you saying we should keep him alive because of uncertainty? What does WIFOM have to do with this?

[mykonian]

Lets let WIFOM solve this?

What do you mean by this?

I think I'm not the only one confused about zwet. I want to see him tomorrow around too.

Are you saying we should keep him alive because of uncertainty? What does WIFOM have to do with this?

Do I have to spell out everything here?

Because the lie could just as easily be the part where he says it to be a fakeclaim. To take that chance, I want him here, tomorrow.

[Kmd4390]

Lets let WIFOM solve this?

What do you mean by this?

I think I'm not the only one confused about zwet. I want to see him tomorrow around too.

Are you saying we should keep him alive because of uncertainty? What does WIFOM have to do with this?

Do I have to spell out everything here?

Because the lie could just as easily be the part where he says it to be a fakeclaim. To take that chance, I want him here, tomorrow.

So you don't know if you believe him when he says he fakeclaimed and for that reason, you want him alive tomorrow?

[populartajo]

First question

populartajo, why do you think that I should have automatically found L_C as scum just because I thought Mastin was obv-town?

I never said automatically but you posted this:

HOWEVER, because scum believe you are an easy D1 lynch, I've started to keep my eye on who's jumping on your wagon and try to make sense of their reason for voting you (if possible). They are likely the best candidates when it comes to making a suspect/scum list.

I agree that this is far from thinking they are obv scum but it just doesnt fit with how you are so quick to call Lammont town.

Tell me something, Lamont: If your scumhunting methods are so perfect, then how come we find out that Mastin, your previous suspect, was in fact townie? To me, this implies you have a few cracks in your SH'ing technique. Get off the computer for a second to refocus your eyes; they have failed you TWICE now this week.

This quote implying that Lammont is townie failing at scumhunting rather than scum pushing a mislynch.

Second question

So it's okay for Steph to believe that both Mastin & L_C were townies, but I get your vote when I say I think the two of them are town?

First of all, Steph said this:

"I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another"

This is far from saying that Lammont and Mastin were townies.
And why I think you are suspect please see above (first question).

[mykonian]

KMD, think about it: he claims, a believable claim, a night kill target, on a terrible moment. Scum wouldn't even think about doing it, so it is a zwet action. After getting some accusations about it, he claims it to be a fakeclaim...

why?

is the theory where he actually is what he claimed not just as likely?

[populartajo]

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

You mean Medieval where he said he was looking for reactions and never said what he took from the reactions?

IIRC, zwet thought TSQ was scum for his reactions to his fakeclaim. He wasnt that wrong.