Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[mykonian]

LC, I shouldn't be considered a newby anymore

Orto however, is completely right.

I'm leaving for my train now, you should expect a post from me on zeenon tonight.

Votecount
mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
ZEEnon - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, MrBuddyLee)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Jebus, Gorrad,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, Starbuck, mykonian

My heart's pounding! They're about to start the secret meeting I uncovered with my heroics...

With your stupidity...

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

well, why not? no information, and

maybe we get lucky

. Anyway, there seem to be no bad consequenses.

unvote vote natirasha (L-1)

Here you have some wheels

populartajo wrote:
mykonian wrote:
well, why not? no information, and maybe we get lucky. Anyway, there seem to be no bad consequenses.

unvote vote natirasha (L-1)

Here you have some wheels

You just dont get it, do you?
Since you seem very comfortable with his death, will you be willing to hammer him?

I think indeed that I don't get it.

sure

unvote

populartajo wrote:
mykonian wrote:
sure

unvote

Unvote Vote : Mykonian.

could you explain what is happening here?

am I right when there are at least some people that really want to lynch Nati, and that there are some people that voted him first, more a pressure vote, to get nati to play responsible?

and am I right that you vote me for being shifty?

I see what I missed about that question: Yes on that moment I would have hammered. No I won't do it now. Normally I would also say that lynching for a null-tell would be useless, as I have learned that till now. That's why I stayed off the wagon for a long time. But people kept going on about lynching nat, and I could see sense in that course of action. Why wait with lynching an antitown player?

When you come with that question, "you don't get it, do you?" there is only one answer: I don't get it, I have no idea what to do. I don't know what I think of the other team (if there is one) because there are arguments for both sides of the problem. And it seems nat solves the problem for me now.

It goes on and on this way and this is Myk as town. This definitely is the same way he is playing here. Ok, somebody give me some scum games to read...

[mykonian]

LC: most recent town game from me:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

in my defence, my lover made it worse, I could have controlled it myself.

[ortolan]

Drawn Together was the one where he was mislynched day one

mini 701 he counter-claimed vollkan to get him lynched day one, otherwise I really thought he was town (not that I really had a clue in that game, at least on day one), and we were both scum in Seraphim's first run of polygamist mafia, and were going to win until we got screwed by mod/player error. The other game was one I remember where he claimed miller as mafia when he got investigated by a cop and I think he got nominated for a scummy for it, I can't remember much else about it

[ZazieR]

Scum game 1

Scum game 2

Two scum games from Myko.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Ok so Zee is either:

A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game

OR

B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work

I think B is

FAIL

. Wouldn't it be too obvious?

What arguments do you have for B?

[ZazieR]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Ok so Zee is either:

A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game

OR

B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work

I think B is

FAIL

. Wouldn't it be too obvious?

What arguments do you have for B?

I don't understand what you mean with B). Could you rephrase it?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think GIEFF is the obvious serial killer. He has information, but wants to lynch the mafia!

vote GIEFF

Panzerjager wrote:
@Dourgrim: SK has only one piece of info the town doesn't, and that is that SK exist. He has no information on who is scum and who is not. So Mykonian is simply saying, He wants to lynch Mafia, he must be SK lynch him. Everyone should be wanting to lynch Mafia. Also, it makes more sense to go after mafia then the SK, because SK has a chance to cross kill Mafiates.

@Goatrevolt: He is calling GIEFF anti-town, for simply wanting to lynch mafia. Therefore, mykonian is mafia.

damn it, you got me. That thinking does however work when there are two scumgroups, but I made a mistake there

But personally I would lynch the SK, as it gives you more mislynches. If GIEFF would be the SK, then we should go for him.

GIEFF wrote:
A related question; why have people assumed that if I really did know who the mafia was, that would make me SK? That assumption makes no sense to me.

yeah, yeah, I know. Craplogic and such. unvote

random vote GIEFF because he had the last post.

ting =) wrote:
@Myko.
Post 55 and 58. If it was a random vote, why should craplogic even be an issue? Why apologize for faulty logic if it wasn't even a serious vote? Also, why'd you go back to random voting in post 55?


to show it was a random vote. Nothing changed in post 55, only my reaction on the fact that the assumption that the SK would know something about the setup was wrong

I think I should always appoligize for bad play. It simply is not helping, because people may think you are scummy. Even when it was for a random vote, then you have the right to point out that the reason is wrong.

Dourgrim wrote:
mykonian wrote:
How do you ever get to the point that this must be distancing? Someone makes a valid point, and probably the one that created some discussion, and you manage to make from possibly the most protown statement till now a scumtell.
I honestly don't know what this paragraph means. No sarcasm here, I've just read it four times and can't decipher it. Maybe I'm just tired, but can you please explain it again?

I think I'm the one that is tired. I'm sorry, but I'm going to try to explain tomorrow. I don't think it will get any better tonight.

Goatrevolt wrote:
Dourgrim wrote:
Also, you seem to be arguing that only logic carefully explained in the thread is a good reason to vote for someone. Am I really the only one who doesn't always expect perfect play and sometimes votes from the gut here? If so, that makes me kinda sad for the game.

I feel this way as well. I don't think good logic is an indication that someone is pro-town. Nor do I feel that bad logic indicates scum.

If you merely lynch the person who is wrong the most or has the worst logic, then it's simply a game of "'let's kill off the worst player" which really says nothing about whether or not he's actually scum. If the scum are the ones with the strongest grasp on logic, they'll win.

You are right. You need to look at what the people assume to see if there is something going wrong.

Well, I don't really see any differences between Myk as scum or town. Both games look exactly like this one.

I need Spock to give me a

strong data analysis

here for this game...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Ok so Zee is either:

A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game

OR

B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work

I think B is

FAIL

. Wouldn't it be too obvious?

What arguments do you have for B?

I don't understand what you mean with B). Could you rephrase it?

Well he is obviously wrong when he says we shouldn't lynch Mastin because he is a shingami. There is a very good chance that he would have a death note.

So the question is, why doesn't Zee take this into account?

Its either

A)

he is just genuinely mistaken or

B)

he's trying to lead the town away from doing the right thing (lynching Mastin) so the scum can kill him and get the note.

My point on B is that wouldn't it be too obvious that is what he is doing?

Hmmm, well now that I think about it...

I can see where he could do this as scum and I really don't buy A. I do see your case here now.

I am anxious to here more from Zee on this...

[Benmage]

ABR = Jester. Only Jesters bring up such a role out of nowhere. Leave him be.

Actually pretty sure I’ve seen him bring up jesters beforehand.

I am not posting any more until we lynch zwet.

Was wondering when this would happen.

[Benmage]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo. Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

[PhilyEc]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo. Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

I'd assume he did it to get good reactions out of people, its led to this kind of discussion afterall. Some believed him and others wanted to lynch him thinking he was lying. Those that wont believe him and want to lynch him in my eyes are either/some of the following:
playing a bad game/dont know Zwet well enough/possible scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL ya in Medieval Mafia the talk of the "Zwet Wagon" went on for many pages.

However, I dont advocate his claiming and I don't believe his claim either.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, unless something more convincing comes up besides the Myk wagon, I really think we should force ABR to post more. I think his Jester comment looks really suspicious towards a possible shinigami and he is actively lurking; it appears he is following along but only infrequently posting very short posts.

FoS ABR

What about a ZEEnon or Magnus wagon?
Also, looking at your posts, you haven't addressed the Myko case at all. So what's your opinion of it?

I'm very sorry to all who are vigorously pursuing the Myko case. You have all done alot of good work and have posted a good number of inconsistencies in his play.

However, I note the following:

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.

3)

I think he will flip town.

I have no idea what he'll flip.

/fixed

[Kmd4390]

The following people said we should not vote Mastin b/c it is useless or some derivation thereof:

Budja -- "its a waste if he's unkillable"
ABR -- "he's prob jester lets vote elsewhere"
Kise -- "doesn't like random note drop if he's lynched"

Those are three that I have in my notes. I feel I could find more if I looked harder...

You forgot me. I didn't want to lynch Mastin because I didn't think he was scum.

Yes, as I said my notes are not perfect and I knew it. I have noticed you've received some flak from a few people and I didn't understand why. For the same reason you thought Mastin was town, he needed to be gone.

Yeah, I wanted him dead. Just not lynched. That happened, so it worked out. I didn't think he was town though. I thought he was 3rd party OR town. Just not scum.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Aha. Well reasoned.

[LlamaFluff]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

[magnus_orion]

STOP POSTING

FOS: EVERYONE POSTING

For deliberately preventing us from getting reads on players.

Here's the links requested from me:
viewtopic.php?t=10914&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
viewtopic.php?t=10122&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
viewtopic.php?t=10115&start=0&postdays= ... highlight=
viewtopic.php?t=10164
viewtopic.php?t=9835&start=0&postdays=0 ... highlight=

(Kai's meta on me comes from offline play.)

This is getting really aggravating.
You 4 people keep going on posting sprees whenever I'm not reading this game. Stop. Now. We are 40 pages in and

not every player has even made a substantial post.

This could result in serious problems down the road for us, because it prevents early reads on players.
Its not hard. Really. You find something else to do. And wait a couple of days (like 2, thats 48 hours), and don't touch this game. Allow everyone to catch up, and then you can post to your heart's desire.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

ORLY? And what of his statement "I see what you're doing and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it"? Doesn't this mean he sees that Mastin is Shinigami? Seems pretty clear to me.

[Jebus]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

[PhilyEc]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

Swear to God, if you keep ignoring my requests I'll convert!

[Kmd4390]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

POST OPINIONS ON THE FIRST 40

[PhilyEc]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

POST OPINIONS ON THE FIRST 40

*builds shrine around image of KMD* ~New Messiah~

[Lamont_Cranston]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

POST OPINIONS ON THE FIRST 40

Ya baby rock it!

[mykonian]

on zeenon

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

about Mastins claim. A delaying reaction.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

defends, doesn't seem to see that he has to get rid of death notes.

then, a lot of fluff posts the rest of the page.

magnus_orion is quite the scummy player, jumping on every vote quite rapidly.

first accusation. Subjective, not pointing out why it is scummy. More like hoping the town will jump on it.

Lamont_Cranston's thoughts: "

Why is magnus_orion busing me so early?

"

subjective?

Mastin, remind me why you think I'm scum. I'm a tad confused on that bit. Is it just 'cause I voted you?

You've had multiple changes of mind within three pages.
Are you attempting to draw reactions with your votes, or do you have a hidden agenda?

o, what a nice subjective rhetoric question!

Who here thinks that pushing mod kills is a scum tell?

Depends entirely on the situation.

wishy-washy?

this was till page 5. You probably already saw a general trend: in all those posts zeenon hasn't made a single attempt at scumhunting.

on page 7 a nice post, goes into defensive lurker mode afterwards.

on page 14, my internet becomes real slow. I want to continue on this. but in those first pages, zeenon wasn't playing town.