Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am not posting any more until we lynch zwet.

Votecount
mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
ZEEnon - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, MrBuddyLee)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Jebus, Gorrad,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, Starbuck, mykonian

You got it Ryuzaki! Let's catch Kira together!

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[ZazieR]

I am not posting any more until we lynch zwet.

So you rather not play with Zwet, than play with me ?
But... I want my Dominating ABR

[ZazieR]

@Kise:

1 hide behind zaz, sure... you say it is ingnoring, I say it is not seeing, and wanting to do things good afterward.
2.because esspecially zaz wouldn't take it with a reasonining that would take less then 5 min to make. I wanted to reread, something that wasn't offered, as zazie knew.

So which is it? Did you not see it, or did you want to wait to do good things afterwards?
And no, you misunderstood. Sure you may reread, I only wanted to hear why you didn't vote Magnus when you voted Spolium for the same reason as it was such a scumslip that it couldn't get more obvious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey, you flaked last time in a newbe game you replaced in.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, unless something more convincing comes up besides the Myk wagon, I really think we should force ABR to post more. I think his Jester comment looks really suspicious towards a possible shinigami and he is actively lurking; it appears he is following along but only infrequently posting very short posts.

FoS ABR

What about a ZEEnon or Magnus wagon?
Also, looking at your posts, you haven't addressed the Myko case at all. So what's your opinion of it?

I'm very sorry to all who are vigorously pursuing the Myko case. You have all done alot of good work and have posted a good number of inconsistencies in his play.

However, I note the following:

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.

3) I think he will flip town.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hey, you flaked last time in a newbe game you replaced in.

Wow two posts in the last 10 minutes. That is an improvement!

[ZazieR]

Hey, you flaked last time in a newbe game you replaced in.

So I show that I hope you stick around, and this is what I get...
If you have any issues with me or what I did, PM me, instead of stating it in a game.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@ABR:

Would you please explain how the Jester role could possibly relevant in this game? And if you admit it isn't relevant, why did you throw it out there towards Mastin??

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because Mastin claimed scum and asked to be killed. It isn't relevant anymore.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Because Mastin claimed scum and asked to be killed. It isn't relevant anymore.

Do you mean the question isn't relevant or the Jester role isn't relvant, which?

Because I don't see how you can make a case for Gelus putting a Jester into this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its not like I really thought he was a jester, I just didn't want Mastin to be killed by town forces. The role isn't relevant anymore because no one has since claimed scum.

[ZazieR]

Its not like I really thought he was a jester,

I just didn't want Mastin to be killed by town forces

. The role isn't relevant anymore because no one has since claimed scum.

Uhm, what? Explain the bolded.

[ZazieR]

Please tell me I'm not getting lynched.

Are you scared to be lynched?
I don't see why you should be as your claim fits Naomi Penber, who seems more likely to be anti-kira than something else, but I find it suspicious when players are scared of their lynch.

I'm not scared, but simply annoyed. Also, I thought scum couldn't be lynched in the first place...

Pro-Kira can be lynched and will die. Shinigami can also be lynched, in which they'll lose their Death Note if they have one, but will not die.
Though I'm questioning your claim a little bit now.

[PhilyEc]

ABR = Jester. Only Jesters bring up such a role out of nowhere. Leave him be.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its not like I really thought he was a jester, I just didn't want Mastin to be killed by town forces. The role isn't relevant anymore because no one has since claimed scum.

So you do continue to assert that the Jester comment is relevant when Mastin is alive.

Please comment on how this makes any sense for this game in the light of the following information:

I've spent a lot of time on this setup, and I don't want to take even a slight chance that it will be ruined by stupidity

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Seeing the above how can you now say that it makes sense for a jester role to be relevant here?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its not like I really thought he was a jester, I just didn't want Mastin to be killed by town forces. The role isn't relevant anymore because no one has since claimed scum.

Whoops. Ok so you've retracted the jester comment entirely.

Umm, ya what Zaze said.

[ortolan]

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.

That is his standard scum play from what I've seen, he plays a lot less like that as town. I've played with him in two games where he's been scum (one where he was scum with me) and one where he was town and I've seen another game where he was scum. I probably have a preponderance of scum data for him but I still get a somewhat scummy vibe from the way he's played this game.

[ZazieR]

You probably also saw that I asked Kai why he thinks you're obv-town, not you. So let him answer.

Dunno if I responded to this, but the reason was that I could follow his logic and he seemed to make quite a bit of sense. That, combined with the fact that his motivations struck me as strongly pro-town, meant that I was confident in my read of him. Seems I was right though, just as I was right about zwet/hewitt, and Phily/Jazz in Polygamist.

(You're still a genius btw).

No, you hadn't responded about that yet.
And the reason why I asked was because it reminded me of the 'WIFOM' I did in Open 145. I'd like to hear the difference between what I did in Open 145 and what Mastin did here.
Also, I've commented on that genius bit in that game. So the same goes for you, contact me through PM (though ABR will probably say that you shouldn't >.<), because it's not true as I already stated in that game.

[ortolan]

although to be fair I get the impression he generally cops more flak when he is town than when he is actually mafia (much like myself actually )

I think he got nominated for a scummy for scum play in that game I saw but didn't play in (I might be wrong) and he wouldn't have been lynched in the other game he was scum in except he counter-claimed the doc, and in the game I was scum with him in we were going to win until the game got ruined Whereas the one time he was town he got mislynched day one. So yer, that does give me pause on this bandwagon.

[ZazieR]

The following people said we should not vote Mastin b/c it is useless or some derivation thereof:

Budja -- "its a waste if he's unkillable"
ABR -- "he's prob jester lets vote elsewhere"
Kise -- "doesn't like random note drop if he's lynched"

Those are three that I have in my notes. I feel I could find more if I looked harder...

You forgot me. I didn't want to lynch Mastin because I didn't think he was scum.

Yes, as I said my notes are not perfect and I knew it. I have noticed you've received some flak from a few people and I didn't understand why. For the same reason you thought Mastin was town, he needed to be gone.

You also forgot ZEEnon

[Lamont_Cranston]

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.

That is his standard scum play from what I've seen, he plays a lot less like that as town. I've played with him in two games where he's been scum (one where he was scum with me) and one where he was town and I've seen another game where he was scum. I probably have a preponderance of scum data for him but I still get a somewhat scummy vibe from the way he's played this game.

Can you give me a link of one of his town games? If he plays better I will see it very easily...

[ZazieR]

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

YES!!! So it's not my fault actually that I can't convince anybody. That's good to hear

[ZazieR]

1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.

2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.

That is his standard scum play from what I've seen, he plays a lot less like that as town. I've played with him in two games where he's been scum (one where he was scum with me) and one where he was town and I've seen another game where he was scum. I probably have a preponderance of scum data for him but I still get a somewhat scummy vibe from the way he's played this game.

Can you give me a link of one of his town games? If he plays better I will see it very easily...

I know two town games of his by heart:
Drawn Together
South Park

[Lamont_Cranston]

The following people said we should not vote Mastin b/c it is useless or some derivation thereof:

Budja -- "its a waste if he's unkillable"
ABR -- "he's prob jester lets vote elsewhere"
Kise -- "doesn't like random note drop if he's lynched"

Those are three that I have in my notes. I feel I could find more if I looked harder...

You forgot me. I didn't want to lynch Mastin because I didn't think he was scum.

Yes, as I said my notes are not perfect and I knew it. I have noticed you've received some flak from a few people and I didn't understand why. For the same reason you thought Mastin was town, he needed to be gone.

You also forgot ZEEnon

Zeenon actually said we shouldn't lynch Mastin? On my ISO of him I only saw where he backed off of him with the question that I bolded earlier....

[ZazieR]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him