Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama

See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.

I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.

MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.

Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.

Votecount
mykonian - 4 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
magnus_orion - 2 (

ZazieR

, mykonian)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, Kise, Starbuck

This guy's been following every step you take. He doesn't see me of course, but I feel like I'm being watched...

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The following people said we should not vote Mastin b/c it is useless or some derivation thereof:

Budja -- "its a waste if he's unkillable"
ABR -- "he's prob jester lets vote elsewhere"
Kise -- "doesn't like random note drop if he's lynched"

Those are three that I have in my notes. I feel I could find more if I looked harder...

[ZazieR]

@Llama

See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.

I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.

MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.

Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.

So, you don't think this should be counted against ZEE?
Be right back to this post further.

[Lamont_Cranston]

You know the worst of the three I mentioned is ABR. I'm getting the feeling he should know better because the Jester role is pretty much out of the question isn't it? There have been a few people (2-3) that have mentioned their suspicion with ABR over this; I think they should get some townie points.l

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama

See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.

I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.

MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.

Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.

So, you don't think this should be counted against ZEE?
Be right back to this post further.

he seemed to debate it for a few post but decided against it from what I see. If I am completely missing something though just quote it for me

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

[ZazieR]

@Llama

See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.

I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.

MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.

Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.

So, you don't think this should be counted against ZEE?
Be right back to this post further.

he seemed to debate it for a few post but decided against it from what I see. If I am completely missing something though just quote it for me

No, I find it just strange that it seems you don't have this against ZEEnon, while you're discussing this with Myko a lot, and even said this:

Well you are missing the fact that shin are THIRD PARTY. And you know know what you should do to third party? You lynch third party. You can never count on them playing to your win condition since they do not share it. They may play with town in an attempt to not be lynched, but if they have a win chance by working with scum do you really think they arent going to take it?

[ZazieR]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

[LlamaFluff]

No, I find it just strange that it seems you don't have this against ZEEnon, while you're discussing this with Myko a lot, and even said this:

Well you are missing the fact that shin are THIRD PARTY. And you know know what you should do to third party? You lynch third party. You can never count on them playing to your win condition since they do not share it. They may play with town in an attempt to not be lynched, but if they have a win chance by working with scum do you really think they arent going to take it?

Zee dropped it after a bit as he seemed to come to the conclusion that mastin was messing around. Myk never seemed to stop believing it, which is why I think he is scummy for it. If zee never seemed to realize that mastin wasnt shin, then yes, it would apply to him just as much. If two players commit a tell though, one for a couple pages, and one for thirty pages, the choice for my vote should be obvious.

[Lamont_Cranston]

ZazieR, me voting him in Open 145 was just a joke because he claimed scum.
I interpreted his self vote in that game as a joke, and I voted him to fuel it.
His

reaction

to my vote was the problem.
He freaked out, posted a wall-of-text that I didn't bother to read, and then disappeared.

I have a question. Would this be a proper explanation of a difference between this game and Open 145?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Case is there, based upon posts you've already made, so you don't have to worry that there's no case .

Your case exists entirely of my varying reaction to Mastin's self-vote.
I already explained that Kairyuu alluded to the fact that this is a regular habit of Mastin's,
while in Polygamist Mafia nobody mentioned that. You can go see for yourself whether or not that is the truth.

Also, does this help or actually hurt his defense?

[Kise]

Probably helps. It's still fishy why he wouldn't vote for Mastin if he thought Mastin was Shinigami.

@Zaz - I have no clue what zwet exactly hopes to achieve with this nonsense. At one time, I thought his stunt was a way to act like Mastin and (somehow) come across as a pro-town player, but who knows.. I certainly don't..

@Starbuck - You can feel on me any time you want.

Vote: Myk

He blatantly ignores Zaz's points against him, instead choosing to comment on a later post she made about another player. For reasons mentioned here, I feel confident with my vote on Myk. I also thought it was funny (as in 'harharhar' funny) how Phily plays attorney by giving Myk pointers on how to properly defend himself. Made me think of Coach Carter for a moment.

[mykonian]

I read this, and I didn't react. OMG how scummy...

On Myko:
-His thoughts of Mastin. He first said that Mastin seemed town in his first post. However, he later claims that he has always believed that Mastin was a shinigami without a Death Note.

same point, couldn't see Mastin as scum doing this. Talked about this a lot, so I reacted

-The obv scumslip Spolium had made, while Magnus did the same at the start, though only the scumclip of Spolium got pointed out. Even after quoting Magnus post, he didn't point this out.

I miss things, I try to keep up, but I make more mistakes.

-Spolium got immediatly voted after this slip. But Myko didn't vote Magnus right after and only voted Magnus because I kept asking why he didn't.

because you were absolutely pushing me into it, while I knew I had unvoted him one time

-Regarding the above, he voted Magnus with these words:

but if it makes you happy

: unvote vote Magnus, then I'll unvote in case needed tonight.

Before this, there was the moment in which he unvoted Magnus. These words were used:

But if it makes you happy

, I could unvote.

Bolded what I mean.

both times I feel I was forced out of what I wanted, once by llama, once by you

-According to him, the vig would give us information. When he said this, he mentioned a lot around of the Mastin wagon and case. Yet, he hasn't even said anything of it afterwards, except when Lamont brings Kise up.

if I don't say anything about it, doesn't mean it isn't there. what a point...

-Magnus in one of his posts, criticises the Kise-wagon. The following post is from Myko, and only states that Magnus scored town points. Yet, he didn't address Magnus's points against the Kise-wagon, while being one of the voters.

already explained, it was about the explanation of the rules. And why would you bring this up again?

here have your reaction. Half of the points were already answered/defended. But I guess some people read the thread not that precise.

[mykonian]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

page 2. I read this while I'm making the promised case on Magnus, but here is someone not playing to his wincondition.

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

[Kise]

I miss things, I try to keep up, but I make more mistakes.

OK, but I'm pretty sure Zaz has pointed out continuously how you ignored MO's "slip" and focused on Spolium's.

both times I feel I was forced out of what I wanted, once by llama, once by you

You did not have to be a crowd-pleaser, just

respond

to Llama & Zaz's concerns on how you made the mistake. You never admitted the mistake, so that's why they kept grilling you about it. And if you think BOTH Magnus & Spolium are scum, then it would have been reasonable for you to keep a vote on Spolium, rather than pull the ol' switcheroo.

-Magnus in one of his posts, criticises the Kise-wagon. The following post is from Myko, and only states that Magnus scored town points. Yet, he didn't address Magnus's points against the Kise-wagon, while being one of the voters.

already explained, it was about the explanation of the rules. And why would you bring this up again?

Because, despite the fact that you thought MO was right, you still had your vote on me.. Let's take a look at what MO said, first:

Not buying this kise wagon. Looks

really

fabricated. Kise's posts show a familiarity with mastin's playstyle. Therefore, being able to judge based on meta alone would be perfectly reasonable. This wagon stinks of opportunistic scum trying to take advantage of the sudden new development (and rock the mob opinion away from analyzing those on the wagon)

Then you:

MO scored easy town points.

OK, now it looks like you're agreeing that you're an opportunistic scum.. What gave you reason to say this about MO?

About Kise

He assumes in a post that Mastin is town, before that was known, and attacks players from that position. When questioned, he claims that that rule makes that Mastin must be town, because he isn't modkilled. Kise seems to be one of very few people (1, as I count) that misunderstood that rule that way. It is just a weak excuse for his mistake.

because Kise already seemed to know Mastin was town. He just forgot that he couldn't tell us.

confirm vote Kise

If you agreed with MO earlier, then why keep the vote locked on me? Was it because I was still the highest wagon at the time and you wanted to ride on into lynching me?

[Benmage]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

I agree seems scummy.

Zee dropped it after a bit as he seemed to come to the conclusion that mastin was messing around. Myk never seemed to stop believing it, which is why I think he is scummy for it. If zee never seemed to realize that mastin wasnt shin, then yes, it would apply to him just as much. If two players commit a tell though, one for a couple pages, and one for thirty pages, the choice for my vote should be obvious.

This

[mykonian]

Magnus wants a vigkill, from page one. (not sure if that is a scumtell, seen the amount of people doing it)

post 58, he already warms the spot to vote Mastin, while he is on Lamont.

Yet vote for Lamount instead...

Yes, I have my reasons. I want to hear what lamont thinks they are, actually...

great post...

I have trouble to see any direction in Magnus his posts, while they are a lot, I have trouble to see how they find scum for him [/page4]

post 106 is a very good one, except for that one line Zazie gave the most attention to. Magnus tries to analyze what is happening. The only thing is, he doesn't follow with his vote.

points out that mastin shouldn't have used a gambit with making himself scummy. While this could have been scum buddying up, I don't see that in magnus his play.

On this moment I voted him for moving his voted around in a weird way. (maybe because he kept pressure on multiple people)

Magnus explains his reaction on lamont in post 164

unvote

It is nice people, but I'm not going to vote magnus. He is more likely town then other people. More active, positive way of thinking. Zee, and Seraphim, Phily and Benmage, were much worse.




wait, rereading, how could Kise ever make that mistake with the rules? seen what Lamont had already done with asking for a modkill, wouldn't he notice that the mod would break his game otherwise?

[mykonian]

@Kise:

1 hide behind zaz, sure... you say it is ingnoring, I say it is not seeing, and wanting to do things good afterward.
2.because esspecially zaz wouldn't take it with a reasonining that would take less then 5 min to make. I wanted to reread, something that wasn't offered, as zazie knew.
3. OK, IM SICK OF THIS STRAWMAN. I'm not stupid, and either as town or as scum I would never react on that part that way. I reacted on how he explained the rules, as I SAID MORE THEN THREE TIMES NOW.
4.Kise, the bandwagon on you never came close to a lynch. Same strawman BTW. STOP IT.

[Kise]

Oh, ok.

Unvote
Vote: Myk

If you want me to go over it again, here's why I believed Mastin to be obv-town: I did misunderstand the rules, thinking that we weren't allowed to

truthfully

claim what or who we were. And I also thought of this as a MK'able offense. With that belief of mine, coupled with how Mastin claimed to be Mafia, then later Shinigami (and some other stuff), I figured that since he was still living, he did not truthfully claim, so he had to be the only option left; townie. Plus, Lamont wanted the mod to review what Mastin was saying, so once Mastin finally did die, I figured that Gelus must've made the decision for that to happen.

It's quite funny how you all of a sudden unvote MO because you think he's more than likely townie now. Is this some kind of reverse-bussing?

... of course scum wouldn't tell me the truth... nevermind.

[Kise]

It's not strawman..

why keep the vote locked on me? Was it because I was still the highest wagon at the time and you wanted to ride on into lynching me?

You could say 'no', or give 'other reasons'.

I'm sorry, myk, but this is common scum-panic right here.

[mykonian]

It's not strawman...

it is one, as clear as it gets. NOBODY WOULD AGREE WITH A CASE ON THEMSELVES. you say I am, as you try to twist my post that way, after it was explained several times.

You accuse me simply of being an idiot, something I'm not.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Gorrad

[Stephoscope]

vote: Gorrad

Who are you?

And, does anyone know what the Activity Constant listed on page one is?

[mykonian]

posts per hour?

and MBL was the replacement of...