Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

And?

Im very happy getting one deathnote from scum on Day One

with us losing one townie. Someone has to get Nk'd anyway like. With 25 players it'll take them a while to win if one of the deathnotes is gone after Day One.

You seem pretty certain that a lynched scum would have a death note. Any reason for this?

Votecount
Kise - 3 (Starbuck, ortolan, mykonian)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

)
Kairyuu - 2 (Spolium, Lamont_Cranston)
zwetschenwasser - 2 (populartajo, Kise)
Spolium - 1 (Kmd4390)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc

And for this, Light-kun...I want you to play the part of the real Kira!

! M...Me?

Yes, it should be easy with your abilities.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

And?

Im very happy getting one deathnote from scum on Day One

with us losing one townie. Someone has to get Nk'd anyway like. With 25 players it'll take them a while to win if one of the deathnotes is gone after Day One.

You seem pretty certain that a lynched scum would have a death note. Any reason for this?

I guess im being hopeful. At least its one less scum in the game =/

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right because my thought processes revolved around either scum having

no

death notes (having to get them from the Shinigamis) or

one

which would allow them to night kill as a group.

But you sounded

certain

you would get one...

[PhilyEc]

Right because my thought processes revolved around either scum having

no

death notes (having to get them from the Shinigamis) or

one

which would allow them to night kill as a group.

But you sounded

certain

you would get one...

Well to be honest I think of deathnotes as exchagable between shinigami and Kira's. And at the time I was certain I would get one, my logic failed.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right because my thought processes revolved around either scum having

no

death notes (having to get them from the Shinigamis) or

one

which would allow them to night kill as a group.

But you sounded

certain

you would get one...

Well to be honest I think of deathnotes as exchagable between shinigami and Kira's. And at the time I was certain I would get one, my logic failed.

The rules don't mention that, although I understand from reading that that's how it worked in the series. The rules have led me to believe Shinigamis have to be

killed

in order to give up their notes.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, think about it: he claims, a believable claim, a night kill target, on a terrible moment. Scum wouldn't even think about doing it, so it is a zwet action. After getting some accusations about it, he claims it to be a fakeclaim...

why?

is the theory where he actually is what he claimed not just as likely?

I think it's just Zwet being stupid. I'd rather just ingore it.

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

You mean Medieval where he said he was looking for reactions and never said what he took from the reactions?

IIRC, zwet thought TSQ was scum for his reactions to his fakeclaim. He wasnt that wrong.

I don't remember that. I remember him basically saying, "well, that brought reactions. Enjoy!"

[Kairyuu]

Cool. Only five pages this time. [/sarcasm]

Really hoping to catch up by tomorrow, or Thursday at the latest. I never thought I'd find a game that I couldn't keep up with, but this just might be one. Unless it slows down considerably I may be forced to request replacement.

[Lamont_Cranston]

KMD, think about it: he claims, a believable claim, a night kill target, on a terrible moment. Scum wouldn't even think about doing it, so it is a zwet action. After getting some accusations about it, he claims it to be a fakeclaim...

why?

is the theory where he actually is what he claimed not just as likely?

I think it's just Zwet being stupid. I'd rather just ingore it.

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

You mean Medieval where he said he was looking for reactions and never said what he took from the reactions?

IIRC, zwet thought TSQ was scum for his reactions to his fakeclaim. He wasnt that wrong.

I don't remember that. I remember him basically saying, "well, that brought reactions. Enjoy!"

Yup and it was DGB that hammered on TSQ to rage quit. That was one awesome game

[Jebus]

Just when I thought I'd be finished catching up, you guys post six more pages...

So ugh, I'm on 26/32 now.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right because my thought processes revolved around either scum having

no

death notes (having to get them from the Shinigamis) or

one

which would allow them to night kill as a group.

But you sounded

certain

you would get one...

Well to be honest I think of deathnotes as exchagable between shinigami and Kira's. And at the time I was certain I would get one, my logic failed.

The rules don't mention that, although I understand from reading that that's how it worked in the series. The rules have led me to believe Shinigamis have to be

killed

in order to give up their notes.

OMGOSH! Do you think the scum have been told the names of shinigami?

[LlamaFluff]

More stuff on myk

He assumes in a post that Mastin is town, before that was known, and attacks players from that position. When questioned, he claims that that rule makes that Mastin must be town, because he isn't modkilled. Kise seems to be one of very few people (1, as I count) that misunderstood that rule that way. It is just a weak excuse for his mistake.

I quite often call people town and play to my read. I will defend them, call them town, and base theories on other players alignments from what I have descerned. Acting like you know someone is town isnt a bad thing.

I thought exactly the same as myk when I saw Mastin's claim. A shinigami with a death-note would be very foolish to claim.

Why would a Shinigami with a deathnote be very foolish to claim, Budja?

scumslip. Really, it won't get more obvious.

unvote vote Spolium

Why is this a slip? (clarifiaction purposes, because if I think correctly what you mean, it's not)

It doesn't seem to me that he understands that we have to destroy deathnotes, and if he was town, he would know that was his wincondition.

Well you are missing the fact that shin are THIRD PARTY. And you know know what you should do to third party? You lynch third party. You can never count on them playing to your win condition since they do not share it. They may play with town in an attempt to not be lynched, but if they have a win chance by working with scum do you really think they arent going to take it?

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town, while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote.

So I should vote you for this then right? For not voting the player you thought was third party, and had a note. You even have acknowlegded that we should lynch shin with note.

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Ok do you guys seriously have no school or job? Playing this fast is actually detremental to the town since so few people really know what is going on well. Im not saying stop posting, but maybe three or four pages a day top.

[Kise]

all you people so easily jump on a claim...

Lmao, look who's talking.

@Tajo - Mastin's voters were players I would watch like a hawk. It's not implying that I think Mastin's voters are auto-scum, just that I know how (if they're familiar with Mastin) people would consider him an easy person to lead a lynch against.

@ Jebus & Kai - Can you guys please offer something to this thread, other than activity-posts? I know it can be a bitch to keep up with, but posts your thoughts as you continue to read so the rest of us can at least interact more with you.

[magnus_orion]

Lamont who do you suspect and why? Please don't direct me to another post, because I'm starting to lose track of all this.

[Kairyuu]

@Kise: Experience has taught me that making multiple posts while catching up tends to be a problem (see: Open 145: Polygamist, where I flipped on zwet's alignment approximately 3 times in my 6 or so catch-up posts before determining him obvtown). I'd rather just post the compilation of all of my notes when I'm done.

@all: If someone could run through a quick, bare bones synopsis of the game thus far I would appreciate it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

[Gelus]

MrBuddyLee replaces Budja.

[Kise]

Kai, read from page 25 onward to get brought up to speed. I think those pages have good enough generalizations. Plus, there's enough quoted posts that you probably wouldn't even need to backtrack. As you can imagine, with 25 players, there's going to be a lot of stuff going on.

[mykonian]

More stuff on myk

He assumes in a post that Mastin is town, before that was known, and attacks players from that position. When questioned, he claims that that rule makes that Mastin must be town, because he isn't modkilled. Kise seems to be one of very few people (1, as I count) that misunderstood that rule that way. It is just a weak excuse for his mistake.

I quite often call people town and play to my read. I will defend them, call them town, and base theories on other players alignments from what I have descerned. Acting like you know someone is town isnt a bad thing.

sure. It was early, and there was no reason to

assume

him town.

Well you are missing the fact that shin are THIRD PARTY. And you know know what you should do to third party? You lynch third party. You can never count on them playing to your win condition since they do not share it. They may play with town in an attempt to not be lynched, but if they have a win chance by working with scum do you really think they arent going to take it?

We slightly disagree here. If we can find out someone doesn't have a deathnote, we have a bigger chance with the rest to find someone who does. And because shinigami can't be killed/lynched, wasting a lynch on one without a deathnote is not such a smart play.

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town, while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote.

So I should vote you for this then right? For not voting the player you thought was third party, and had a note. You even have acknowlegded that we should lynch shin with note.

I think you missed the word "without". I thought mastin would never have claimed in case he had a note.

[magnus_orion]

It should be noted that since some shinigami are probably in posession of a death note, until they are lynched they are, for all intents and purposes, as far as we know, serial killers, who

must

be eliminated as per the town win condition. (only difference is they lose their "serial killer" status, as opposed to dying)
I think that there's been some trouble understanding that.

[mykonian]

It should be noted that since some shinigami are probably in posession of a death note, until they are lynched they are, for all intents and purposes, as far as we know, serial killers, who

must

be eliminated as per the town win condition. (only difference is they lose their "serial killer" status, as opposed to dying)
I think that there's been some trouble understanding that.

you are right, don't think I misunderstand, but that wouldn't make sense when Mastin claimed, so I thought he might be without one.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok, I've reviewed each player and besides ABR I also would like to point out:

Semi

started out strong but I feel like we haven't heard from him lately; I'd like to hear more from him on the latest game developments.

Seraphim

hardcore lurking. Started a pre-Mastin-death analysis and that's it...

I have found Spoilum to be very helpful.

I am currently suspecting

Kai, Zee & Budja

for posts about notes that are genuinely suspicious.

I do not like this post:

@All:

What is the case for scum starting out with death notes? Is there

any

actual reason to believe this?

what is scum?

the deathnotes should come from the shinigami, seen the story. So if you include shinigami with scum, then yes, I believe that would be true.

Why does this matteeeeerrrrr...lets see whos acting scummy okay?

I kinda like Philly but his analysis doesn't ring as true as Spoilum's does.

[PhilyEc]

Just when I thought I'd be finished catching up, you guys post six more pages...

So ugh, I'm on 26/32 now.

So post any comments you have on those 26 pages, who looks scummy for instance? Any reads on how people reacted when Mastin died? You can type something up quick if you've read that much content afterall.

[magnus_orion]

I am currently suspecting Kai, Zee & Budja for posts about notes that are genuinely suspicious.

@lamont, Could you elaborate on their posts, and why you think they are suspicious, ie. why you think their posts are more likely to come from scum?

[ZazieR]

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town, while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote.

Uhm, no. That was not the reason why Kise was voted, just part of it.
But if you thought this was the reason why didn't you state any suspicions towards those players who saw Mastin as town besides Kise?

because apart from Kai, nobody was really convinced he was.

and nobody reasoned from the assumption that mastin was town, to find scum.

I'll get to this when you've answered the bit you didn't explain:

OK, kai and Mastin seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.

Also, regarding the above quote, I'd like you to explain the following post:

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town,

while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote

[ZazieR]

@Myko

My question I've asked:

OK, kai and Mastin seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.

Can you explain how you got these reads?

You've explained Mastin, but I don't think you've explained the other two. Could you do so?

no, mostly gut reads. Not a lot logic there.

Gut reads are most of the time based upon vibes. So what gave these gut reads?

Also, regarding the above quote, I'd like you to explain the following post:

May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town,

while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote

And last but not least. Here, you state that Kise still has a good second place. So how come you're not voting him now?

because LC has said in a nice way that Kise can be playing bad/weird. And that he would never make such an excuse (misunderstanding the lies) on purpose.

However, Lamont stated this based upon one game in which he has played with Kise.
Also, did you check if this was the case in that game, or are you trusting Lamont on this?