Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[semioldguy]

Semi's PBPA is rather selective. It fails to account for the majority of the thread, and is focusing WAY too much on only the two players.

If you read my post you will know why it fails to account for a majorty of the thread. The whole first five pages is largely centered around you and magnus_orion.

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,

Mastin

, Starbuck)

Mastin

- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 3 (mykonian, Seraphim, ZEEnon)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

semioldguy

)
benmage - 1 (Kmd4390)
ZEEnon - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Not voting:

cateraction

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, WeyounsLastClone

Joined FBI in September 2001 and attained rank of special agent with unusual speed for a woman. Arrested perpetrator of the "Los Angeles BB Serial Murder Case" on August 22, 2002.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[magnus_orion]

I thought you said it was you playing defensively...

It was both. Defensive, and stating conclusions to go on the offensive, when ready to go onto the offensive, too late. :/

Then how can you tell it was both that were responsible?

[Mastin]

I don't find any of them to be the correct lynch and think it would be easy for scum to slip onto those wagons without drawing suspicion to them.

So, what? We're wagonning scum; does it matter if scum can slip in?

Vote: mykonian

1: You failed to state your case on Myk,

2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well.

He doesn’t address anything as a whole

I can, but prefer not to. Dissecting gets better scum-hunting done.

It leads to easy misrepresentation and miscommunication.

As is quoting the whole thing.

If no matter what you do, you can still cause confusion, which method do you choose? I choose the method which gives greater detail.

It is NOT a good scum hunting tactic

It is to me--it's nailed scum every time I've used it. I imagine it'll nail scum in many more games to come.

because it’s nearly impossible to follow what you are saying or even verify its accuracy

You're one to talk.

1: Long paragraphs are nearly impossible to follow.

2: Not using quote tags at all is more confusing than anything else.

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This whole post seemed to be a bit of bashing at my scum hunting technique, discrediting it as worthless. "Is NOT a good scum hunting technique"-->Not worth looking at-->Not valuable.

[Mastin]

The whole first five pages is largely centered around you and magnus_orion.

No, it wasn't. We had FIVE contributors, ALL of which received EQUAL attention.

Because individually, they wouldn't be enough. :/

[magnus_orion]

Yes, I was interested as to why myk as well...

1: Long paragraphs are nearly impossible to follow.

2: Not using quote tags at all is more confusing than anything else.

1. No, long paragraphs are easy to follow

2. You're one to talk.

[magnus_orion]

Actually, hold it.

2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well

Mastin, explain.

[magnus_orion]

Dissecting gets better scum-hunting done.

I won't accept this without evidence.

[Mastin]

1. No, long paragraphs are easy to follow

Odd, I had extreme trouble following it.

2. You're one to talk.

I use them all the time. Semi doesn't.

Myk was already being attacked by Llama with some valid points which I'm not sure Myk answered.

[Mastin]

You have my record. That's all I can give. Dissecting did that.

[semioldguy]

I don't find any of them to be the correct lynch and think it would be easy for scum to slip onto those wagons without drawing suspicion to them.

So, what? We're wagonning scum; does it matter if scum can slip in?

I don't think any of those wagons will flip scum, but I think scum are on the wagons. If I thought any of the wagons were scum I wouldn't say that they were not the correct lynch.

[magnus_orion]

Odd, I had extreme trouble following it.

Try reading first, then responding. Rather than respond-as-you-read, which its sorta obvious is what you do.

[mykonian]

Myk was already being attacked by Llama with some valid points which I'm not sure Myk answered.

myk defended that he didn't make a strong post at that time, and also didn't have strong feelings, something Llama thought a scumtell. Myk doubts it is, as it was one of his first posts, and it was on page five, with a lot of people not posting. The post should be read as a first conclusion on the read, that won't really affect myk's coming play.

In fact, I could just as easily unvote now, because magnus has not been extraordinarily scummy in the pages afterward. But I absolutely don't see the use of that (it could be argued that my vote is also useless), and it would be a good idea to wait with doing anything till the sun again comes up.

[semioldguy]

Vote: mykonian

1: You failed to state your case on Myk,

2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well.

1. I already mentioned one point against him, which I guess you missed. I'll post my case on him before the day is over, and if my case contradicts the point in time my vote was placed on him, then you can call me out on it.
2. How is it any easy wagon?

[semioldguy]

He doesn’t address anything as a whole

I can, but prefer not to. Dissecting gets better scum-hunting done.

It leads to easy misrepresentation and miscommunication.

As is quoting the whole thing.

If no matter what you do, you can still cause confusion, which method do you choose? I choose the method which gives greater detail.

Except your method gives less overall detail as it is so fragmented. You often don't even quote the whole sentence.

[mykonian]

Vote: mykonian

1: You failed to state your case on Myk,

2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well.

1. I already mentioned one point against him, which I guess you missed. I'll post my case on him before the day is over, and if my case contradicts the point in time my vote was placed on him, then you can call me out on it.
2. How is it any easy wagon?

1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.
2. Mastin knows. Plus that you are just bandwagonning.

[semioldguy]

It is NOT a good scum hunting tactic

It is to me--it's nailed scum every time I've used it. I imagine it'll nail scum in many more games to come.

because it’s nearly impossible to follow what you are saying or even verify its accuracy

You're one to talk.

Those two quotes of mine up there, that you separated... they belong together. Not separated. Together. As one sentence. They are not separated by a period or indentation or anything else. Anything I write as a complete paragraph all belongs together. hey are sentences and paragraphs for a reason. They all depend on each other to collectively get the entirety of the point a across and explain. You do this all the time and you not only miss the point others are making, but you don't get your own point accross as the things you say are in direct contradiction to each other if you read other people's posts and sentences as a whole.

You often take the first part of a sentence and question it, when the second half of the sentence answers the question you had of the first half.

[semioldguy]

1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.

The 'find' function does not answer all. I say in that post that I think it would be easy for scum to slip on the wagons of the three players I mention. You are on one of those wagons. And I will start with you.

[semioldguy]

This whole post seemed to be a bit of bashing at my scum hunting technique, discrediting it as worthless. "Is NOT a good scum hunting technique"-->Not worth looking at-->Not valuable.

A good scum hunting tactic is one that is only good to you, but one that others can also benefit from and follow along with as well. It doesn't do the town any good if you think you have scum but are unable to convince any of the town of that.

I am not bashing your scum hunting abilities, but your ability to present to the town. I even offered an explanation as to why this is, which you seem to have ignored. If you read that in combination with the rest of the sentence or paragraph maybe it would help you understand.

[semioldguy]

EBWOP:
A good scum hunting tactic is

not

one that is only good to you, but one that others can also benefit from and follow along with as well.

[mykonian]

1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.

The 'find' function does not answer all. I say in that post that I think it would be easy for scum to slip on the wagons of the three players I mention. You are on one of those wagons. And I will start with you.

ah, ok. Well, I can't defend that I'm on one of them. But, esspecially as I have already mentioned twice that this vote isn't going to be there when I finally find a good place for it, I think you are a bit too worried about magnus.

I won't hurt him, I swear

[Kmd4390]

So much posting...

I'll try to catch up after work tonight.

[Kise]

Same here.. Except I don't have a job.

But I'm just posting this for activity. Expect a more thorough post within an hour when I've read up on things.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I can also see the case against Lamont,

and the way (ad hom) he reacted

This myth has been refuted. Clearly my reaction was based on what appeared to be a vig kill. In addition, it

was not an ad hom

it was an attack on the playtyle that would of produced that vig kill.

Btw, since I'm posting here, I don't like how you join the Kai/Mastin band and say they look town!? Whoops...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I wish, Zee. I *think* that Ort's a member of my group, but because I was the ONLY one using the QT and wasn't informed of my partner's name, there's no way to be certain. <_<

If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.
Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?
On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?

Based upon Open 145, ZEEnon is not town.

IGMEOY

Sorry if this has been covered already (I am in mid-thread) but can you please cite the criteria within Open 145 that proves this?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw I see both cases from Starbuck against me & Magnus as crap. My case I have addressed. Magnus' case he will have to address but I will say I like his point where he suspects Mastin.

Those players that are "playing along" with Mastin are doing the village harm.

Somebody please QFT the above. Thank you.

Mastin's case is crap but Starbuck has only make a single post, why not ask her some Q's first and see if theres any reasonable observations to be had?

Notice I did not "FoS" Starbuck here. My responses to her attack are my questions. She doesn't seem like the type of player that will just say nothing.