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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:04 pm

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magnus_orion wrote:Lamont, why is kairyuu scum?
...
The game is very, very early right now. Two factions are developing:

1) The Mastin Jackassery Fan Club
2) Logical Mafia Players

I cannot say Kai is scum but I definately don't get town vibes and I have outlined the case clearly and I have left nothing out of what I don't like in my previous post on page 5.

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 4 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,
Mastin
)
Mastin
- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 3 (mykonian, Seraphim, ZEEnon)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,
semioldguy
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Bemage - 1 (Kmd4390)
ZEEnon - 1 (
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Not voting:
cateraction
, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Starbuck, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, WeyounsLastClone


Light is Kira? That would be Awesome if it was true.


With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:12 pm

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magnus_orion wrote: Yes.
However, lamont has stated a policy of not announcing what he finds scummy. I intend to foricibly draw discussion out of him.
Ok, let me
finally
clear this up now that I understand it.

That statement was in response to the crappy analysis of my wiki by Kai. In said fecal-based analysis, Kai said he didn't like how no scum tells are listed in it.

My response was "I don't
list
my scum tells."

I explain scum-tells in-thread. :wink:
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:16 pm

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PhilyEc wrote:
mykonian wrote:
PhilyEc wrote:
mykonian wrote:
PhilyEc wrote:I totally agree with Zwet.
This is a contradiction.
Nuu.. He thinks Mastins acting different to his town play, so do I.
he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.
Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.

If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:31 pm

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ZazieR wrote: Also, Lamont:
Mastin wrote:Why ask for it if you're not trying to get a modkill?
This. Please answer.

And Mastin, it was not OMGUS in my eyes.
Zazier I like your playstyle.

I logged in with joy at an awesome, HUGE theme-game and within the first 30 minutes
ConsoM
Mastin with great Jackassery begins claiming all sorts of crap which immediately looks like an attempt to take advantage of his position as a neutral to abuse the game. I became very alarmed and wanted to make sure the Mod saw it and weighed in on it if necessary so I asked for a
Mod review
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:34 pm

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The speculation that Shinigami don't necessarily start with a Death Note stands out as potentially useful. I consider Zazier's #128 to be reinforcement of this being the case, and as such it should be noted by all.

That's all I have right now. It's 3am and this thread is violently rutting against my brain.
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:40 pm

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mastin might be a jester. We should concentrate on lynching scum.
Look at KMD's behavior in Paris Mafia. He has become a role model for jesters, and a convenient way for scum to WIFOM the town out of lynching them. I call BS on Mastin's assertion that he plays this way at the start of games, as I've never seen him be this completely gutsy and over-the-top random. IT'S TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOWN.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:44 pm

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mykonian wrote:
PhilyEc wrote:
mykonian wrote:he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.
Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.

If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>
Lets get this straight: death gods don't seem the good guys to me. I don't think scum would claim them, this early. It just doesn't happen often. Third party, with some different wincon, is also not town.

I'm still trying to understand why he claimed.
Ahh, a glimmer of light is entering... :)
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:47 pm

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^obvtown
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:58 pm

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PhilyEc wrote:Deathnotes gotta give either Day Kills or Night Kills, Myk. They're powerful tools afterall. Maybe is Mastin is a shinigami, hes got conditions that match up with the anime?

Ryuk needs apples? Rem needs Misa alive and noteless? Sidoh needs to regain HIS deathnote?
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:04 pm

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@Mastin Jackassery: I didn't see the same read on Zee buddying with you but you harping on it doesn't really make any point. I am reconsidering my position concerning Zee based on the meta-argument that Zazier has begun.

LOL,
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:09 pm

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Didn't I already explain the differences between that game and this game?
Yet you haven't even considered my explanation?
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:26 pm

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Zee, I have found your play as town. More experienced players have brought up a meta-argument that would indicate you were looking for an excuse not to push a mastin lynch. I am following their arguments as I missed this point in my read of the game.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:48 pm

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Stephoscope wrote: And his OMGUS's don't concern me. I OMGUS all the time as town, because I always think I'm acting so townie that anyone who would want me dead must be scum.
I love omgus'ing as town.
Mastin wrote:
i didn't like his odd claiming in rvs
It's called the
Random
Voting Stage for a reason, you know. ;)
and his short quoting
...Is...that...seriously...a...reason...for...voting...me?

It's part of my playstyle, always has been. It makes posts longer, sure, but it gets the job done. And I've done it before in games you've been in; why are you only now annoyed by it?
mass one-liners is both annoying
Voting for someone because they're annoying-->NOT scum hunting-->Slightly Scummy.
and imo a distraction.
Right, so you're essentially calling my scum hunting to be a distraction, for that's what I'm doing.
It's not a very pro-town reaction, Ben.

(Then again, I've seen Ben play before. He's someone who's easy to lynch, aka, a village idiot from what I have seen of him. This attitude reminds me of his play then.)
I lynch easily….I always felt I was somewhat reserved. Although my mentality is switching toward favoring certain people as policy lynches, but I won’t go there just yet.

I’m not calling scum hunting a distraction, your posts make reading them so annoying and painful I don’t even want to bother, hence the distractive style. Hmm this may counter my first part about being reserved, but I don’t have much of an issue lynching a town nuisance. Odds of a successful lynch day one are slim. At least this way we save the town a headache, and maybe nail a scum too.

As far as games and your play style…Its only been mafia 91 and your style was nowhere near the mass one line quotes. In fact it was so drastically different than this games that with your previous games allegiance I have to believe you to be scum here.
mykonian wrote:mastin, I'm pretty sure, that you are capable of posting shorter, less quote invested posts.

This has also to do with your quoting everything. Just select what is usefull. The previous post isn't going to be read by a lot of people, so you are playing antitown.
This
Mastin wrote: End Page Seven.
Save the first part by zwet…I couldn’t read this post.
semioldguy wrote:Half the time I don’t even know what Mastin is talking about because his style of taking snippets of sentences takes away any context from the responses he gives. He doesn’t address anything as a whole, and when taken in parts things do not always retain the same stance or meaning that they have when together. It leads to easy misrepresentation and miscommunication. It is NOT a good scum hunting tactic because it’s nearly impossible to follow what you are saying or even verify its accuracy due to not being able to compare the tiny piece you quote in comparison to the larger picture or point that people are actually trying to make. A large amount of the quote snippets he makes and comments on is completely useless, without content and further distracts from and bogs down his own arguments.
Agree. I think I’d prefer a wall of un-paragraphed text to mastins posts.
zwetschenwasser wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mastin might be a jester. We should concentrate on lynching scum.
Look at KMD's behavior in Paris Mafia. He has become a role model for jesters, and a convenient way for scum to WIFOM the town out of lynching them. I call BS on Mastin's assertion that he plays this way at the start of games, as I've never seen him be this completely gutsy and over-the-top random. IT'S TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOWN.
I agree it seems too scummy. Could you link this Paris Mafia?

In conclusion:

That was helluvah annoying to catch up. This game is flying. Can we just lynch Mastin and start playing this game?
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:50 pm

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Lamont_Cranston wrote:Zee, I have found your play as town. More experienced players have brought up a meta-argument that would indicate you were looking for an excuse not to push a mastin lynch. I am following their arguments as I missed this point in my read of the game.
You state that you find my play as town, but don't say whether it matches up with what they have stated.
What was the point of you looking up my town meta in the first place?
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:12 pm

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That was helluvah annoying to catch up. This game is flying. Can we just lynch Mastin and start playing this game?
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:33 pm

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Ok town, here's what we need:

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A MASTIN-ECTOMY!
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:43 pm

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As much as I like the ring to that word, i'm going to have to decline your offer.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:57 pm

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Lamont_Cranston wrote:
magnus_orion wrote: Yes.
However, lamont has stated a policy of not announcing what he finds scummy. I intend to foricibly draw discussion out of him.
Ok, let me
finally
clear this up now that I understand it.

That statement was in response to the crappy analysis of my wiki by Kai. In said fecal-based analysis, Kai said he didn't like how no scum tells are listed in it.

My response was "I don't
list
my scum tells."

I explain scum-tells in-thread. :wink:
...
Okay, I misunderstood that, but that's not what I found scummy. However that misunderstanding does negate my attempt to force you to discuss...
What I found scummy was your insistance that you weren't using adhom when you clearly were. If something is "crappy" explain how and why. Do not declare it such. Doing so creates needless thread noise. Ad hom is scummy, but not nearly as much as panicing and insisting that you weren't.
I cannot say Kai is scum but I definately don't get town vibes and I have outlined the case clearly and I have left nothing out of what I don't like in my previous post on page 5.
You did say Kai was scum, though:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:

Prob-town

Ortolan
KMD
Magnus
Zee

Scum-like

Kairu
Mastin

Case on Kairu to follow.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:00 pm

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ZEEnon wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:Zee, I have found your play as town. More experienced players have brought up a meta-argument that would indicate you were looking for an excuse not to push a mastin lynch. I am following their arguments as I missed this point in my read of the game.
You state that you find my play as town, but don't say whether it matches up with what they have stated.
What was the point of you looking up my town meta in the first place?
An excellent point. I like how you ask me that instead of just accepting my view of your play.

It is still very early but here is my initial read on you:

1) I like your Orto vote
2) I like youre initial attack on Mastin Jackassery
3) I disagree with your vote and analysis of Magnus but I can still see it ias pro-town scum hunting.
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:36 pm

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Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok town, here's what we need:

Image

A MASTIN-ECTOMY!
psst: we're not supposed to format text meaninglessly.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:58 pm

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OK... more like 5 hours...
Budja wrote:
@mod, I suggest you tell everyone the game has actually started.

I only just found it.
Reading now...

Suggestion noted. No, thanks.
:lol:

My first thought is: "Holy shit, you guys just started yesterday and already 11 pages?! Mastin must be behind this."
My second thought is: "I like Gelus' first rule... I notice he has to edit a lot of ZEE's post."
My third thought is: "Yup, Mastin... Oh shit! He's trying to hand his death note to a scum player within the lynch mob! NOOOO!"

All this talk of, "He needs to be vig-killed so the death note is destroyed," doesn't sit well with me.. You guys do know there are also anti-town here? All of you could target Mastin at night and the DN will more than likely fall in the hands of an SK. Our best bet would have been for Mastin not to claim Shinigami at all, because now we're gonna have a new Kira either way... I think... or maybe the Killers are automatically given a death note(?).

From what I gathered reading the rules, if a killer takes a death note, they somehow buddy up with the Shinigami[?] Or do the multiple Shinigami in this game have their own separate mini-game where they are in a "race" to lose their death notes first[?]

(Just so you guys know, I use the [?] "tags" as a way to express my inner thoughts. It's not as if I really ask any of you to reply to it. Nothing more than reflections.)

And wouldn't Mastin be mod-killed if he was telling the truth about being Shinigami?

(Now THAT is an actual question I pose to everyone.)

LMAO @ Posts 76 & 77. If it weren't for the fact that they were less than a minute apart, I would think Mastin was being an asshole and ignored magnus' request on purpose. But seriously, Mastin, you don't need to comment on EVERYTHING someone says. Especially whenever you're not answering a concern or adding anything relevant.. It makes me feel impulsed to skim through what you post & ignore the quotes.

I get the feeling that magnus or Mastin will continue this little squabble over quote-links, quote-pyramids, etc...

Lol @ "You seem to be craving the noose more than David Carradine." I would never have expected Carradine's name to appear on MS. Ok, at this point, I feel the need to contribute something more beneficial. I could commentate on what I've read so far from up to page 5, but that'd be boring.

The way Mastin is claiming Shinigami and STILL being alive makes it blatant that he has not broken any rules, so I may be gullible by giving him a chance to still claim Shinigami. He's claimed to have been a lot of various PRs & anti-town roles.. Yet hasn't been MK'd. So you have to wonder whether any of his claims ring true if he's still able to play. I believe this is why Kai said that Mastin is obvtown. It's rather cheap, and could suck the fun out of the game if all of us did the same exact thing.. And honestly Mastin, this is the exact reason you get NK'd a lot -- You go so far to confirm your towniness. It would be a good idea for mod's to never make you mafia, since you're always in the hotseat D1 it seems, lol. HOWEVER, because scum believe you are an easy D1 lynch, I've started to keep my eye on who's jumping on your wagon and try to make sense of their reason for voting you (if possible). They are likely the best candidates when it comes to making a suspect/scum list.

I might be looking at Mastin's approach from the wrong angle.. He could very well be a Shinigami who "doesn't care for humans." In which case, I say it's a good idea for "certain" people to lynch him in order for his plan to go through (a plan I presume, anyway).

I can tell you guys right now that Lamont is a boy scout. It won't help much to tell whether he's town or scum, but being the trooper that he is, he felt the need to show the mod a possible breaking of the rules. I may have only played 1 game/day phase with Lamont, but I've read enough of his post to know that he's not going to let a violation pass by. He pays attention to detail quite often -- Sometimes he'll look too hard into things, but, like I said, it doesn't surprise me that he'd point out a MK'able offense.

BUT.. besides this whole 'wanting to get Mastin MK'd' situation, I can't vouche him for anything else he has done/said that has come across as scummy.

It sure doesn't take ZazieR long to dig in someone's ass.. Good to see ya, sister. A lot of familiar faces in this game altogether. But I digress..
Semioldguy, Post 243 wrote:What motivation would scum have to kill an unkillable player to remove a potential Death Note? Getting rid of all the Death Notes is the town win condition and I don’t know why scum would help us with the town win condition. If a player claims Shinigami, we should lynch them as that is the only way town can be sure to get rid of the potential Death Note
It's up to Gelus who he picks to hold the death note. A townie could hold/destroy it, or an anti-town player could hold it and become Kira. I don't like leaving things up to chance. Leading a lynch on a supposed Shinigami will only lure in the killers to get a chance at holding a Death Note. On the same token, it sucks that probability has to decide whether a vig or a killer win the death note if both parties target the supposed Shinigami. In short, I am saying that if Mastin WAS genuine on his claim as Shinigami, then that would only result in a new Kira by the time D2 rolled around.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:16 pm

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Benmage wrote:
Starbuck wrote: I really only saw Benmage's one RVS post. I haven't seen anything of content.
I had the one other post where I voted for Mastin. Which is what I think he's referring to ignoring.
Well, in all these pages, I really haven't seen anything from you. So I guess that means you should post more.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:23 pm

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Kise wrote:My first thought is: "Holy shit, you guys just started yesterday and already 11 pages?! Mastin must be behind this."
Anyone notice that I typed this when there WAS only 11 pages? Lol.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:24 pm

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And wouldn't Mastin be mod-killed if he was telling the truth about being Shinigami?
No. The reason why is in your post.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:29 pm

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Starbuck wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Starbuck wrote: I really only saw Benmage's one RVS post. I haven't seen anything of content.
I had the one other post where I voted for Mastin. Which is what I think he's referring to ignoring.
Well, in all these pages, I really haven't seen anything from you. So I guess that means you should post more.
You have what...one more post than me... Sorry the game is going an an incredible pace. I haven't had the time to add content, many players are still just catching up.

Kise is hungup on Mastin's rvs claim, told ya that was odd and a distraction.

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