Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Mastin]

It is, actually.

Changing opinions-->Pro-town.

Changing opinions OFTEN in THREE PAGES-->Scummy.

By freeing yourself from fear of being accused of backpedaling

I do agree, that said fear is a scum tell.

you can give towntells more weight and find scum by process of elimination if necessary.

Nothing wrong by itself, and I actually approve of this.

But changing opinions so often, so quickly?

I've found lots and lots of scum day 1.

As have I, but just for proof, links?

And have been a consistant night 1 kill.

I feel your pain.

okay.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10115
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 56#1351056

That all?

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 3 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan)
Kairyuu - 1 (benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

Mastin

)

Mastin

- 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
ortolan - 1 (ZEEnon)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser,

cateraction

, mykonian, Kmd4390,

ZazieR

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Starbuck,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, PhilyEc, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

I'm L.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[Mastin]

Also,

I've found lots and lots of scum day 1.

If this is true, who are the scum? Surely, even with only five people truly weighing in, there's something...

[magnus_orion]

Also,

I've found lots and lots of scum day 1.

If this is true, who are the scum? Surely, even with only five people truly weighing in, there's something...

I don't know who the scum are at this point and time. I suspect you have a death note and I suspect lamont. We are five pages in and you've thrown off my normal gambits with your own.

Changing opinions-->Pro-town.

Changing opinions OFTEN in THREE PAGES-->Scummy.

why's that?

I feel your pain.

I imagine you do. Our playstyles are similar. Unfortunately, by using yours, you have interfered with mine. Which is part of the reason I dislike your play so much.
Doesn't change the fact I think you're a neutral with a death not, still.

[magnus_orion]

As have I, but just for proof, links?

Same links

[magnus_orion]

That all?

Several ongoing games as well.

[Mastin]

I don't know who the scum are at this point and time.

And I find that suspicious. People should have an idea, from what we've gathered. Your votes appear to be scum hunting, so if they're scum hunting, surely you're thinking they're scum, right?

Not buying it.

I suspect you have a death note

1: Death Note-->Scum.

So why are you not voting me?

2: Suspicions-->Accusations of a person being scum. This seems hypocritical with your earlier line of not knowing who the scum are at this point in time.

and I suspect lamont.

What makes you suspect lamount?

What makes you suspect Lamount more than me?

We are five pages in

Meaning you should have something.

and you've thrown off my normal gambits with your own.

I'll look at it.

why's that?

Because it shows a willingness to lynch several people all at once, which is rather scummy.

Our playstyles are similar.

Yea...
[/end "We're not So Different" moment which is so cliche'd]

Unfortunately, by using yours, you have interfered with mine.

This, if true, is truly unfortunate.

Which is part of the reason I dislike your play so much.

Odd, even if a player dislikes my playstyle due to their own, I'd think that if it's similar, they'd only begin to like it. (Unless they're of an opposite alignment)

Doesn't change the fact I think you're a neutral with a death not, still.

Wait, didn't you just talk about inside knowledge? This seems to apply.

[magnus_orion]

What makes you suspect lamount?

What makes you suspect Lamount more than me?

Odd, even if a player dislikes my playstyle due to their own, I'd think that if it's similar, they'd only begin to like it. (Unless they're of an opposite alignment)

1: Death Note-->Scum.

So why are you not voting me?

2: Suspicions-->Accusations of a person being scum. This seems hypocritical with your earlier line of not knowing who the scum are at this point in time.

I do happen to have an idea. I just don't have my normal level of conviction yet. If you didn't respond to the bits of my post rather than the post as a whole, you'd understand that.

I suspect you are a shinigami who has a death note. This is because you talked about losing death notes being detrimental to the shinigami win condition, which I don't think you'd have thought that upon reading those rules.
I suspect lamont of being scum.

Neutral < scum
therefore I'm voting the scum one.

I'm refusing to give my reasons until I hear what lamont has to say about why he thinks I'm voting him. I theorize the reason he was extremely vague was because he didn't want to point out something different to give me additional evidence.

[magnus_orion]

Odd, even if a player dislikes my playstyle due to their own, I'd think that if it's similar, they'd only begin to like it. (Unless they're of an opposite alignment)

sorry, forgot to respond to this.
Its 'cause I don't like your intial gambit of making yourself look scummy. Since our play is similar, the differences are enunciated and highlights everything I think you are doing "wrong"

[Mastin]

I do happen to have an idea.

And holding back I'd think to be a bit scummy.

I just don't have my normal level of conviction yet.

Not convinced, lack of devotion, possible caution in choices of scum-->Scumtell. (My opinion is Caution-->Scumtell. I've been meaning to write a wiki article for the tells that I often use one of these days. Perhaps once I've dealt with all of my games, I can get to it.)

If you didn't respond to the bits of my post rather than the post as a whole

If you didn't quote three sections of a post separately and then post your responses to it in the second half of the post, you wouldn't be misunderstood.

you'd understand that.

No, not seeing it.

I suspect you are a shinigami who has a death note.

And I somehow doubt this is the case.

This is because you talked about losing death notes being detrimental to the shinigami win condition

It's simple logic, deductive reasoning, and speculation. Do I need anything else?

which I don't think you'd have thought that upon reading those rules.

Oh, trust me, I don't have the usual human thought pattern. I see what no other person sees. Amongst them, my speculation on Shinigami win conditions.

I suspect lamont of being scum.

And your reasoning for this is...?

I'm refusing to give my reasons

Holding back reasons for a vote-->scummy. A player can't defend against attacks that don't exist.

until I hear what lamont has to say about why he thinks I'm voting him.

Hasn't he already done this? I thought it was a post which I interpreted along the reasoning of "I don't like you bussing me so early on".

I theorize the reason he was extremely vague was because he didn't want to point out something different to give me additional evidence.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with your assessment that he's scum. And a good portion of the reasoning (such as the above) to be evidence to support this.

I just think you're scum with him.

[ortolan]

Oh, trust me, I don't have the usual human thought pattern. I see what no other person sees. Amongst them, my speculation on Shinigami win conditions.

Yes that tends to happen when you are the only one who has viewed your Shinigami win condition

[Mastin]

Its 'cause I don't like your intial gambit of making yourself look scummy

Well, it worked, didn't it? With only four other players other than myself, I managed to snap us out of the RVS in less than a few hours. In less than three pages, we were already seriously discussing things. It's also useful in catching scum, and my scum trap seems to have ensnared you and Lamount.

Since our play is similar, the differences are enunciated and highlights everything I think you are doing "wrong"

This makes sense. I suppose I'm doing the same when pointing out what I think doesn't make sense from town-mag's perspective.

[magnus_orion]

Well, it worked, didn't it? With only four other players other than myself, I managed to snap us out of the RVS in less than a few hours. In less than three pages, we were already seriously discussing things. It's also useful in catching scum, and my scum trap seems to have ensnared you and Lamount.

Yes, but my scum traps required me to "fall" for your scum traps. Rather than be the fall-guy, I make somebody else the fall-guy. Its safer.

[Mastin]

Yes, but my scum traps required me to "fall" for your scum traps.

What information can be gained from you, essentially, bandwagonning?

Rather than be the fall-guy, I make somebody else the fall-guy.

So, basically, you're afraid of being bandwagonned? Why?

Its safer.

Why are you so concerned about your safety?

Caution-->Scumtell. (If you don't mind, I'll be gone a few hours while I go on and write that article before someone tries to steal it--I've pushed for this idea in several games, after all)

[magnus_orion]

Yes, but my scum traps required me to "fall" for your scum traps.

What information can be gained from you, essentially, bandwagonning?

Rather than be the fall-guy, I make somebody else the fall-guy.

So, basically, you're afraid of being bandwagonned? Why?

Its safer.

Why are you so concerned about your safety?

Caution-->Scumtell. (If you don't mind, I'll be gone a few hours while I go on and write that article before someone tries to steal it--I've pushed for this idea in several games, after all)

I'm not concerned about my safety. You misunderstand, this is my general playstyle. I find its safer because people are more willing to listen to you and not think you scummy if you don't do something scummy outright. Plus, scum are less likely to think that there is a trap waiting for them. I agree that being concerned with one's own safety is a scumtell.

I set someone up as a mislynch and see who agrees with me.
You set yourself up as a mislynch and see who suspects you.

[Mastin]

Hmm, it needs work.

I could use suggestions to the quality of the article. Not the actual tells themselves, as I chose the name of the article to match most people's view of them (as being insane/stupid/invalid/etc.), and don't need you to blow it full of holes.

Anyway...

I'm not concerned about my safety.

Forgive me, but I seem to have seen differently from your posts.

You misunderstand, this is my general playstyle.

And from what I've seen, it looks like you seem to fear for your safety in your playstyle, which I find a bit scummy. It sucks being lynched as town, or night-killed, sure, but worried about it?

I find its safer because people are more willing to listen to you and not think you scummy if you don't do something scummy outright.

By showing caution, you hope to look more pro-town. Right. Got it.

(If you couldn't tell, I obviously don't agree. See Caution-->Scumtell.)

Plus, scum are less likely to think that there is a trap waiting for them.

Oh, really? I tend to think they're going to feel much more comfortable bandwagoning an admittedly anti-town styled poster.

I agree that being concerned with one's own safety is a scumtell.

Which, essentially, means you are admitting to seeing your actions as a scum tell.

I set someone up as a mislynch and see who agrees with me.

Setting up mislynches, EVEN IN THE RVS-->Incredibly scummy.

You set yourself up as a mislynch and see who suspects you.

Which is fine, as I can defend my actions well, and isn't truly scummy--it only looks that way due to me intentionally acting that way.

[Kmd4390]

I love it when I leave for work and a game hasn't started yet and then I come back to 5 pages.

i feel lost with this mastin thing...so i'ma still rvs

Vote Kairyuu

for not paying child support

Choosing RVS over the elephant in the room in scummy.

Vote Benmage

I imagine the connection is rather obvious. Shinigami have to have a deathnote. Anyone watching the anime would know this. Losing it via lynching/night-kills would devastate them, making me think they'd instantly lose.
Simple logic, really.

Ryuk wouldn't exactly be upset losing his Death Note. He is amused by humans using it to kill each other.

*Awaits "OMG KMD KNOWS THE FLAVOR FOR ONCE?!?"*

Mastin should be killed by either a vig or scum or something. Magnus and Lamont don't come off as scum. Let's start the Benmage wagon now.

GOGOGOGOGO.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Anyone think asking for a Mod-review of JACKASSERY from a player like Mastin is null tell? Raise your hand... *RAISES HAND*

"Oh god of day-vigs please kill Mastin. Thanks."

Peace out.

[Mastin]

I love it when I leave for work and a game hasn't started yet and then I come back to 5 pages.

Yea, I like to talk a lot, okay? :/

Choosing RVS over the elephant in the room in scummy.

I'm ignoring him because I think we'll find the scum in Lamount and Magnus.

Mastin should be killed by either a vig or scum or something.

Yea...I'll be shot by the scum when I nail one of their own, alright. Let's hope there's a doctor of some sort in this game.

Anyone think asking for a Mod-review of JACKASSERY from a player like Mastin is null tell?

1: Explain to me how claiming scum in page one, a null tell from me, is "jacka'dsery".

2: You weren't pushing for mod review. You were pushing for a mod kill, which IS scummy.

"Oh god of day-vigs please kill Mastin. Thanks."

Vig Directing-->Scummy.

---

Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.

I fail to see how that is NOT scummy.

[Lamont_Cranston]

What part of:

MOD:

Please take note

of the quoted post.

don't you understand??

Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.

You don't get it do you? I ignore

YOU

.

Magnus I have responded to. He refused to listen but w/e. I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.

You need to die. NAO!

[Mastin]

What part of:

MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.

don't you understand??

Why ask for it if you're not trying to get a modkill?

You don't get it do you?

For someone who claims that I'm a Jack-a, this seemed like a fairly Jack-a'd comment.

I ignore YOU.

THIS is INCREDIBLY scummy.

Ignoring a player-->HUGE scum tell.

Magnus I have responded to.

You have not responded to all of his points/questions.

I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.

Explain to me how this is not a personal attack.

You need to die. NAO!

OMGUS, anyone?

That's the perfect example of it.

Oh, and

Mastin Unvotes: Magnus,
Mastin Votes: Lamount

.

I still think Magnus is scum, but my suspicions of Magnus have been lessened somewhat. My suspicions of Lamount, on, the other hand, have only grown.

[mykonian]

I wake up, and you people found it necesarry to post 5 pages. Reading will start in a few hours.

[Starbuck]

When I went to bed, we were still on the first post of this thread! RVS is already over! /hi5 for that being all over!

Now we hafta lynch you cuz of WIFOM"

Nah. Just expose the rest of the scum team. I was lying; I'm a Shinigami. I'm a NK-immune serial killer whatnot with the ability to track one person per night. I'm a mason with another player, and together, we're both roleblockers.

I was considering voting Gelus, a shinigami, but Gelus isn't worth the effort. I'm far more important.

I think we'd break the game if we lynched the mod.

Your explanation doesn't make sense

Move aside, Albert. There's a new illogical guy on the rampage.

I only quoted this because it made me LOL.



Lamont and Magnus both seem very shady to me. As Kairyuu stated in 35, Lamont attempted to get Mastin mod-killed as well as Magnus tried to direct a vig kill toward him.


On Lamont:

I would of thought you would of learned how to play Mafia by now.

This is a personal attack...

I agree. Can we please keep personal attacks out of the game?

Granted, much of this appears to be a joke post and so with

that

understanding I will grant you a genuine "LOL" but generally I have a very narrow sense of humour and so it is harder for me to appreciate such things.

Then you are definitely playing the WRONG game.

Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.

You don't get it do you? I ignore

YOU

.

Magnus I have responded to. He refused to listen but w/e. I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.

You need to die. NAO!

I think blatantly ignoring anyone in a mafia game isn't a good play at all and is incredibly scummy.


On Magnus:

magnus_orion is quite the scummy player, jumping on every vote quite rapidly.

QFT.

It says they have unique win conditions

What better win condition for a Shinigami other than they lose if they don't have a death note? They don't care about humans; they care about death notes. Their win condition, I imagine, is tied in with that.

All I know is that you've not only claimed shinigami, you've also indicated that you have information that, if true, only shinigami should have.
Your explanation doesn't make sense, so I suspect you.

Magnus, have you read the manga or seen the anime? While Ryuk would be interested to see what the humans would do with it, I would think there might be other Shinigami that would not give up their Death Note so easily. I know this is speculation but it's what I have gathered from actually reading and watching the source material.

Mastin, remind me why you think I'm scum. I'm a tad confused on that bit. Is it just 'cause I voted you?

You've had multiple changes of mind within three pages.
Are you attempting to draw reactions with your votes, or do you have a hidden agenda?

Zee says what would take me paragraphs and minutes to.

QFT!

I set someone up as a mislynch and see who agrees with me.

Setting up mislynches, EVEN IN THE RVS-->Incredibly scummy

Most definitely.

I don't use the quote button often. I much prefer the Quick Reply box.

As do I, but may I make the suggestion of notepad? You can format and make it all nice before you post and preview it before it becomes permanent to adjust for space and such.



It's been said quite a bit and I'm going to agree. I do think that pushing for a mod kill is scummy. I have a couple people on my scumdar, but Lamont is currently the most suspicious to me, especially because he is ignoring posts and not answering questions asked of him.

Vote: Lamont

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:

Prob-town

Ortolan
KMD
Magnus
Zee

Scum-like

Kairu
Mastin

Case on Kairu to follow.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Kairu

Fact: Kairyuu is town.

I would totally do that if we were both scum. It would be awesome.

I take a dim view of posts like these; alignment obsession.

Also, obligatory "Mastin that is so anti-town. What are you doing self-voting and claiming scum? Now we hafta lynch you cuz of WIFOM" spiel that won't actually go anywhere.

If you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of that move, but you've ignored everyone else who tried to get you to stop, so I'm not even gonna bother trying.

This is very weak and my gut doesn't like that.

EVERYBODY STOP!

Seems we have a genuine scummyperson.

Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:

Mastin Votes: Mastin

.

MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.

Mastin DIE!

Unvote, Vote Mastin

Note the attempt to get Mastin modkilled on page 1. If had actually done something against the rules then yes, I would somewhat agree with you. However, I think you're just being spiteful and trying to end the Day before the RVS has even fully ended.

unvote

vote: Lamont_Cranston

An obvious crap case (the bold green section is obviously calling for Mod review) and severe buddying with Mastin?? Once again there is just something wrong here.

@Mastin: I don't actually dislike your playstyle, just the initial self-vote. I despise extended RVSs, but I don't really have a problem with the concept if used in moderation (aka. 1 page or less). Usually by then I can find something that I can poke at until it turns into real discussion.

I must admit though, your method is quite effective as well.

Who believes Mastin is in any way effective?? More disgusting buddying with someone who should be default-corpse.

Why would we lynch him (Mastin)? He's obvtown.

OBVTOWN MASTIN?! My goodness, this is beyond the pale! There is something very wrong here.

Kairyuu is far from the fuzzy-villagery feel I'm supposed to get from townies.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont attempted to get Mastin mod-killed

I called for a Mod review of his jackassery

because it hurts the game that the Mod worked hard on

. This should make perfect sense to you. Instead you have chosen to drink the kool-aid on that issue.

On Lamont:

I would of thought you would of learned how to play Mafia by now.

This is a personal attack...

I agree. Can we please keep personal attacks out of the game?

And you're wrong. It is a criticism of a playstyle that appeared to result in my death. Tenderfoot much?

Granted, much of this appears to be a joke post and so with

that

understanding I will grant you a genuine "LOL" but generally I have a very narrow sense of humour and so it is harder for me to appreciate such things.

Then you are definitely playing the WRONG game.

Here I think we agree. But I'm not in the wrong game, just in a game where I have to do some adjusting.

Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.

You don't get it do you? I ignore

YOU

.

Magnus I have responded to. He refused to listen but w/e. I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.

You need to die. NAO!

I think blatantly ignoring anyone in a mafia game isn't a good play at all and is incredibly scummy.

Normally of course this is true, but Mastin with his Jackassery is not normal and he needs to DIE, NAO!.

Less Koolaid, more common sense please.