Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Tierce]

VOTE: Wyrd
Fate is probtown, but Nuwen is totes obvscum.

(Is this the game I get with Nuwen and SpyreX in which we actually get to play for a bit? At last? Please?)

[Tierce]

FWIW, I'm on FIRE AND HATRED mode. I am not going to spend early days in a 28-slots/32-players game trying to defend people who will be constant lynch ponies and can't be trusted to hold up their end of town play in later days. Scumhunting > trying to save derpy players from a lynch.

This means: either shape up and look townie, or don't trust me to defend poor play even if I don't find it scummy. I don't have the patience nor the willingness to defend that crap in a game this size.

Most of this playerlist is capable enough to not need hand-holding, anyway. But I thought I should warn about this because there might be a meta-shift from me.

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.

/ur-quan


PEdit: O hai. Complete bullshit list.

UNVOTE: Wyrd
VOTE: Quilford

[Tierce]

Quick warning--I'm currently in the same room as singersigner, so we're avoiding this game until she goes back to the hotel to avoid out-of-game interference. Post later.

[Tierce]

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

@ Tierce, what triggered this self proclaimed meta-shift, and who exactly do you expect "poor play from" and consider a "lynch pony"?

If I wanted to talk about it, I would've.

Why do you want me to point out who I think is a potential poor player/lynch pony? There is no town motivation for doing so at this point in the game.

And what's up with the meta warnings? Just a heads up I won't be playing like I normally do, but it's definitely not because I'm evil, it's because... Seriously, not because I'm evil though, definitely not that!

I was warning about a change because I don't want to eat a lynch/vig bullet from something that is deliberate because

I'm pissed off

and done with trying to figure out what might be herp-a-derpy and what's straight-out scummy. People assume my town behavior is something very specific, while I am careful to ensure I subvert my town meta and use it as scum for my benefit (see Paranoia Mafia for several examples). I usually don't give a crap about how my meta is perceived as town, but I don't want to waste time explaining myself later when my attitude gets inevitably questioned. This is deliberate and purposeful. As scum, I get stuff done. As town, I spend far too much time hand-holding and protecting perceived town VIs from lynches--and they screw up later, while I end up night-killed before doing anything really useful.

I'm done with it. Vi is one of my favorite mods, this game has some of my favorite players and I want to make a difference in it.

Are we done with the pointless questioning? Great.

VOTE: Tierce

Don't want to be stuck in a situation again where she's scum and I know she's scum but can't get her lynched because she's Tierce so she needs to die now.

I'm easy to lynch in larger games, worry not. (You had issues in N#1209 because it was you v. me and we were the strongest figures in the game, etc.; hardly the case here.)
Problem with your logic is: I'm not scum.

I'm not gonna lie and you managed to get me a little paranoid but this is so beautiful I have e-tears.

Will you be my secret bff?

Of course. <3

I thought things over, and there was rage and red and razorwire and I'm done. Derpy players alive too late can be dangerous for town.

[Tierce]

Also we can skip the middle man and a high five for whomever turns UN into dust "HOW COULD O AND P GET CONFUSED ITS NOT LIEK.... THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER ON A KEYBAORD VOAT"

Will turbo-powerlynch that slot for hire. No fucks given.

Should probably go to bed. >.> Will reread Quilford in the morning.

[Tierce]

Hey Ludi:

@ Tierce, what triggered this self proclaimed meta-shift, and who exactly do you expect "poor play from" and consider a "lynch pony"?

If I wanted to talk about it, I would've.

Why do you want me to point out who I think is a potential poor player/lynch pony? There is no town motivation for doing so at this point in the game.

This wasn't just for BLOOD AND RAGE benefit. I want an answer to my question. Why do you think me saying who I think is a weak spot in this playerlist would benefit town?

God every time I'm about to hit submit there's more posts.

[Tierce]

@UberNinja:
Okay, let's make that glaringly obvious:

See above: no fucks given. I don't care about you. I dislike the way you play. I don't want you around come LyLo, and I definitely don't want to have to slog through your posts. Yeah, I chose to join this game after seeing your name in the playerlist. Doesn't mean I have to like everyone's skills as a player, and I definitely do not like yours. Wouldn't mourn you eating a vig bullet none, and would give any SK a golden pass for it.

Inflated ego? That's not the issue. I want you dead because you're always a fucking distraction who makes no visible effort to stop being one, and a playerlist this size needs much pruning and purging before it starts being acceptable to play with. I don't want the inevitable slog through your posts, I don't want to have you around at LyLo, I don't want you around, period, and I highly doubt we will need your slot alive that much in a game this size. So yeah, you can eat a bullet and I wouldn't be bothered by it.


PEdit @Ludi: Yeah, I didn't clarify who I meant, and it's not just the :RAGE: above. I'm not saying I'm going deliberately after weak players. That's stupid. I'm saying that I don't have the energy, the willpower or the state of mind to defend weak play anymore by trying to defuse wagons on weak players. They will learn eventually that 1) weak play gets them no victories and 2) being hard to lynch benefits them regardless of alignment. That's something that they can't be protected from, and I don't want to spend my early game focused on defending this kind of people. Ergo,

not focusing

on them, going after who I think is scum, and explaining my change in attitude. If they get wagoned, it's not my holy quest to defend them; eventually I either bite a nightkill and they are still lynched later, or they turn around and lynch decent townreads of mine. So, yeah. I've decided that a certain kind of player is not my problem on D1/2/etc. and won't waste my energy or words on them as the days progress.


And now, good night.

[Tierce]

Angry Tierce is scary.

Vote: Tierce

:HAPPY:

"When Tierce looks into your eyes it's like slitting little kitties necks."
-Prozac

You don't want this, Glork. Think of the kitties.

[Tierce]

Sleep what sleep. BLACKWATER!

And what's up with the meta warnings? Just a heads up I won't be playing like I normally do, but it's definitely not because I'm evil, it's because... Seriously, not because I'm evil though, definitely not that!

I was warning about a change because I don't want to eat a lynch/vig bullet from something that is deliberate because

I'm pissed off

and done with trying to figure out what might be herp-a-derpy and what's straight-out scummy. People assume my town behavior is something very specific, while I am careful to ensure I subvert my town meta and use it as scum for my benefit (see Paranoia Mafia for several examples). I usually don't give a crap about how my meta is perceived as town, but I don't want to waste time explaining myself later when my attitude gets inevitably questioned. This is deliberate and purposeful. As scum, I get stuff done. As town, I spend far too much time hand-holding and protecting perceived town VIs from lynches--and they screw up later, while I end up night-killed before doing anything really useful.

I'm done with it. Vi is one of my favorite mods, this game has some of my favorite players and I want to make a difference in it.

Are we done with the pointless questioning? Great.

And you had to go into so much detail about your meta because? I'm wondering why you had to go into a meta-defense before the game started, before anyone asked you any questions. It's even odder that you're now saying that you're not going to stand up for innocents from a mislynch, no matter who they are. I um not following your reasoning here.

Because I'm incredibly frustrated with recent events. And I've explained why I've expounded on it early on--because I don't want to waste time on it later and there would undoubtedly be questions about it later on. Several players here have seen me as town and know I tend to have a shining white shield and lance. I can talk about my meta because I know it and I'm able to manipulate certain levels of it, and I'm warning in advance that certain parts are changing because ~*~REASONS~*~

You're misrepresenting what I've said when claiming I won't defend innocents. That is definitely not what's behind my words--what I'm saying amounts to pursuing my scumreads instead of trying to defuse a wagon on weak players; packs a much more effective punch against scum/when it comes to protownness.

Let's see the votes:

Glork:

Angry Tierce is scary.

Vote: Tierce

By the way, my vote was in no way random.

Or arbitrary. Or not-game-related.


It's a good vote.

I think she'd call out UN's playstyle regardless of her alignment. Widespread frustration with a player is not limited to alignment.

So... what have I done that strikes you as scummy, Glork?


Oman:

Also, uhhh

Vote: Tierce

I guess. Page 4 vote, no real reasoning, more of "why not".

Probably RVS. Please clarify this, Oman.


Quilford:

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

I am an absurd person, then. I've done it in almost every single game I've played for ages as town, if I remember correctly. It produces useful reactions and usually gets the game out of RVS. And I was just listing everyone who posted for completeness.

I have a massive scum read on you now though, thanks. You remind me of VPB when he encountered me doing it. VOTE: Tierce

You claim you do this kind of thing for reactions, and then get surprised when people have... reactions? I thought the list was out of place and called you on it. What is scummy about my reaction? I am not VP Baltar; don't attribute his

rather awesome

scumplay to me.


Tammy:

I'll sheep Glork...

vote: Tierce

*Trying really hard to look even slimier by the minute...so excited*

Why do you think Glork is town?

I'm not really at liberty to discuss my Tiercevote in detail.

You're in no other game with me and definitely don't have a guilty of any kind on me; why the cageyness?

[Tierce]

VOTE: Hinduragi

Hi.

I'm not quite sure if Quilford's list is designed to catch reactions or if he geniuinely believes them...

FOS: Haze

Thought it was weird the first time around, still think it is weird now. Probably not scum with Quilford, and I know Haze tends to be pretty cautious, but why remark on the reads list this way and potentially destroy any genuine reactions Quilford might want to get? Why the fence? If you're

not sure

and you actually want to

know

, ask.


PEdit: Holy wall of posts.

@Glork, I omitted it because I'm not particularly interested in your perception of my scumhunting, which is rather wrong to begin with--if you're actually reading my posts, you'll see I'm scumhunting--and so I dismissed it as invalid. What I wanted to focus on was why you won't discuss the nature of your vote in detail, because that confuses me due to the current number of games we are NOT in together.


PEdit: FWIW, I *think* I need to find a certain(s) role(s) too. Not too familiar with Fire Emblem, but questing the wiki makes me think this would make sense.


This PEdit is turtles all the way down. I just want to post and read up on things I missed.

[Tierce]

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

I am an absurd person, then. I've done it in almost every single game I've played for ages as town, if I remember correctly. It produces useful reactions and usually gets the game out of RVS. And I was just listing everyone who posted for completeness.

I have a massive scum read on you now though, thanks. You remind me of VPB when he encountered me doing it. VOTE: Tierce

You claim you do this kind of thing for reactions, and then get surprised when people have... reactions? I thought the list was out of place and called you on it. What is scummy about my reaction? I am not VP Baltar; don't attribute his

rather awesome

scumplay to me.

I do this kind of thing for reactions, and then lynch people who exhibit scummy reactions (i.e. yours).

Your reaction is scummy because you reacted.

I called you out on a bad reads list, explained why I thought it was scummy, and you... think I'm scum as a result? I really don't get this one. Why are reactions to that kind of (unexplained, too-early) list scummy by default? Have you never had a reads list questioned? I tried to look for the town motivation for doing it, found none. (You claimed 'completeness', I claim 'bollocks to that'.) I looked for scum motivation, found one--appearing to be scumhunting early and presenting 'effort'.

'You reacted to my early reads list, that's scummy' makes very little sense. I can understand that you might once or twice have gotten reactions to this kind of list and got lucky that the person later flipped scum, but

reacting by default

is not scummy.


PEdit: Character(s), in my case. Equivalent to roles/players considering it's one each.

[Tierce]

PEdit: Character(s), in my case. Equivalent to roles/players considering it's one each.

I'm tired so I just want to make sure I've got this right:

You & Glork are looking for:

Baazelbub, Terror of the Sands

NOT:

A Roleblocker and a Vig

No idea about Glork, but from me, yes, you are correct.


PEdit: Huh, but subduing the Daein Resistance implies working

against

the Resistance/Micaiah.

[Tierce]

I called you out on a bad reads list, explained why I thought it was scummy, and you... think I'm scum as a result?

Actually, this sounds about right.

I would love for you to explain why you took an RVS list commenting on a bunch of RVS votes and decided it came from scum trying to overjustify themselves.

I've done so:

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

[Tierce]

@Glork--I understand if you don't want to answer this due to your read on me, but is it

explicit

on your PM that you are looking for someone? Because I

think

I need to find other people (and doing so could benefit the town), but it's in no way explicit. Having just the barest flavor knowledge doesn't help this.

[Tierce]

I called you out on a bad reads list, explained why I thought it was scummy, and you... think I'm scum as a result?

Actually, this sounds about right.

I would love for you to explain why you took an RVS list commenting on a bunch of RVS votes and decided it came from scum trying to overjustify themselves.

I've done so:

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

I'm willing to be that I can find an example where a player in RVS called someone else null and you didn't bat an eyelash. Why is it a big deal here, and what made you think that Quil's list was in any way different from any other RVS post made, aside from the fact it commented on everyone who had posted?
As of Post 23, what actually made Quil

scum

, and not someone who was just being a goof on Page 1?

It's possible. But on a reads list on page 1? It seemed forced, premature, and I'm not going back through my games to see how I reacted to similar things before. This is how it struck me here, in this game--as a scummy gesture, because it seemed an exaggeration of the stuff he actually had available to analyze.

To note: I didn't think his post was RVS. Now that I look back at page 1, I think I've overreacted re: Quilford's list's importance and its non-RVS-ishness.

UNVOTE: Quilford

[Tierce]

@Glork--I understand if you don't want to answer this due to your read on me, but is it

explicit

on your PM that you are looking for someone? Because I

think

I need to find other people (and doing so could benefit the town), but it's in no way explicit. Having just the barest flavor knowledge doesn't help this.

At least give me a "no, I won't answer this". Don't ignore me, please.

[Tierce]

Fair enough.

[Tierce]

Must... resist... urge...

What's your problem re: actually contributing content on the first phases of a game, Oversoul? Why wait for others to provide "things to comment on"? I think this is a playstyle thing from you, but boy oh boy does it make me twitch.


PEdit: Ooooh trinkets.
Tammy: Why SpyreX over me? Why the pseudo self-vote after you had said you didn't believe those?

[Tierce]

See: my initial remark about meta-shift.

I accomplished things in Paranoia that, had I been town, could have led town to a win, had I bussed you or Akonas. I actually think the basis of my scumplay would make for solid townplay, and that's part of what I'm trying here. Assertive aggressiveness can be good, and you're fooling yourself if you think I would be mellow and gentle as town in a game with this playerlist in these circumstances.

[Tierce]

I don't think he's saying it has anything to do with your alignment. If you guys have problems with play styles, I'd prefer if you saved that for postgame pm's, md, etc.

Skimmed the paranoia part. My bad.

Yes, it's alignment-relevant. He's seeing parallels between my play here and the early stages of Paranoia, in which we were both scum. I'm saying that there are some deliberate parallels because I'm drawing from my play there. While I understand that it would make him uncomfortable, this is actually being done on purpose. (...Sorry, I guess? But this works for me, Oversoul. Deal.)


Holy overblown AtE Batman.

Riddle me this, Tammy: if you were to draw town in a game and recent events and circumstances had changed your perception of how best to act as town, but you knew you would probably be attacked for a visible change in playstyle compared to games the playerlist has seen you in, what would you do?

1. Don't say anything about it at all, even if you are run-up on "meta!"
   
2. Explain when you are run-up because you are not playing to your usual meta.
   
3. Wait for someone to ask about it.
   
4. Explain the meta change when the game has just started and we are at a low-information stage, where reactions to this announcement will push the game away from RVS and/or be indicative of alignment and/or not distract much from scumhunting.

A) and B) seem risky and a waste of everyone's attention when they should be focused on finding and lynching scum. C) is acceptable. D) is totally my style.

How is this behavior scummy? I'm not trying to excuse a meta change halfway through the game, I've explained my reasons, and those I have NOT explained cannot be delved on right now.


You haven't actually answered my questions, and your post can be reduced to "woe is me, for I am being wagoned". I am not voting you, neither are a lot of other people. Again: why the self-vote after you had said you don't believe in self-votes, and after that stint, why SpyreX instead of me? The timing is suspiciously close to the crumbling of the wagon on me. What changed your mind and caused you to change votes each time? Why the townread on Glork? You are avoiding the crux of these questions to simply say that your actions aren't scummy (rolled in a huge ball of AtE cheese) without explaining your reasoning. I've seen you play, I know you can do better than this.

[Tierce]

Still not an answer to my questions.

And to prove you wrong, Benmage presented a similar circumstance on D1 of Weather Mafia II--he claimed he would be less active than usual on later days, and people were in an uproar as to why he would claim that so early on. He was town.

Town can be aware of their general meta traits and be upfront about them, especially if the changes are deliberate. Why is this scummy?

[Tierce]

Answering your questions Tierce:

I don't have a static playstyle, by game or day, so I don't know how to answer this question. Seriously, I'm rather temperamental, and even though I play analytically mostly, my play style can vary widely by day, hour, or mood. I have general attitudes that you can read me by, but that's probably as far as you can get unless you watch me closely and know me well.

But, the fact that you came into a game and announced that you'd be different...and that you had a lapdog rounding up votes against the one person who called attention to it? Fucking droll. I don't care what the hell meta you round up to prove your intent people can manipulate it. I don't care what type of dispersions you cast against me because I say it's BS. I'm not gonna tell you why I have a town read on Glork anymore than I'm gonna tell you why I have a town read on Zdenek right now. I just fucking do.

How does this answer my questions?

What I really want to know from you is:

1) Why you had/have a townread on Glork since RVS, which you're refusing to do;
2) Why you self-voted when you said you don't go for self-votes;
3) Why you chose SypreX as scum over me after that self-vote.


I don't give a damn that you think it's over-explanatory. I could rant about the subject of whiteknighting in my meta for hours, and people here know I would/have done so. Christ, go ahead and look through my games. You can see this shift coming from miles away.
You were supposedly sheeping Glork over my meta explanation--but Glork wasn't voting me on meta to begin with. You haven't even touched the points on me that were making Glork-your-townread uncomfortable.

You're complaining that you were a 'lapdog' being wagoned while I made a declaration of meta change (I... don't control how the votes fall on you? I'm not an ironfist and I wasn't voting you, so what exactly did you want me to do about the wagon on you?) but the only thing you're raising against me is "overexplanation", which is not a scumtell with neither you nor me because we are both known to soliloquy from here to tomorrow

as town

. The fact that you started raking up votes while I went on my own personal sidequest of Hatred And Loathing For The World--in your mind, how are they correlated? You clearly think they are, so who is the scum that was making sure you grew on votes while you raved against dram?


This just doesn't add up. Last night I was left wondering if you were drunk or something; your posts don't really make sense, and as I said before, I know you can do better. You're not explaining your reads outside from me, the only reasoning you're presenting for Tiercescum is that you think I'm overexplaining things myself, and--it doesn't work like that.

Tierce, are you scum? Don't lie to me, please.

If you do, I will make it my personal life's work to join every game you're in, and lynch the shit out of you every single time.

I'm terrified.
I'm not scum.

Quick warning--I'm currently in the same room as singersigner, so we're avoiding this game until she goes back to the hotel to avoid out-of-game interference. Post later.

lol. The awkwardness that ensued when we both realized that the game was up, but didn't want to risk anything by posting yet...I may have been a bit harsh about trying to avoid anything out-of-game related. I hope you can forgive me! <3

(though that clearly didn't stop her from posting up a storm-ish as soon as I left )

You're a terrible person and I hope you feel bad for that one. (But not really. That was a good idea due to game integrity--thank you. <3)

[Tierce]

Because in my gut this is bad BUT its happening AND I just love fighting tooth and nail to watch it get waaaashed away because ~mysteriously~ it never seems like they DIE AT NIGHT LIKE THEY SHOULD

See, this is my problem.

FWIW, I think that slot is incrediderpy town. Wouldn't mourn it for a minute because that play is utter crap; he'd probably pull something stupid later in the game and eat a lynch/vig bullet. It's a slot that will never eat a scum kill. -_- But I'm not really ready to see one of our town players die tonight with no more info than a probable-townlynchwagon.

Old habits. ._______.

miniwhiteshield.gif

[Tierce]

It is, but my experience with him says this isn't exactly surprising. He just doesn't remember the crap he's done--remember in Weather Mafia II, where in D2 he had no idea he had massively defended BBmolla on D1?

I need to read this thoroughly tonight, if I have decent internet on that other island.

[Tierce]

Glork. Your UN vote is bullshit.

Yeah, I was thinking about it, and it's not the fact that it's uN that's being wagoned--it's the fact that Glork has had enough experience with UN to know better. I've seen Glorktown act like this, but... he should know already. His softclaim looked townish, but this is rather odd.

FOS: Glork

Tierce do you think SpyreX is scum?

I have no idea. SpyreX is one of my favorite players and I'm extremely paranoid about him because I've seen him pull off amazing scum plays. He is one of those players with whom I just want to roll over and be happy at the sheer marvel of their posts. >_< Too early to tell, I think.

[Tierce]

Hero-complex. Have issues dealing with it.

I'm off to the airport right now. I'll get back to you once I arrive in Dublin.

[Tierce]

I've seen Glorktown act like this, but...

FOS: Glork

Really.

Really.

Ya rly. Let me have my paranoia.

Why would you prefer to be voted yourself than having me being voted, Glork? Doesn't make much sense, no matter how certain you are that I'm town. It might just be a turn of phrase--I'm too tired to delve on it, so please explain.


@Toast:
There's history behind my opinion of UN's play that involves other games. I have a slight townread on him, won't push that wagon myself because I'm more interested on Other Things (at least once I'm awake enough to analyze the rest of the game), but it's not a slot I care enough about to defend.


@SpyreX:
We can do BETTER than UN. I'd much rather not read through his posts, true, but come on. I'm trying, but you have to give me something. That Tammy wagon had a lot more spunk.

VOTE: Tammy


Oof. Exhausted. Poor night's sleep + hayfever + plane + rain = have mercy on me. Moar post tomorrow.

[Tierce]

No idea. But he's not today's lynch.

Why the question, and what are the reasons behind your Glork read, Tim?

[Tierce]

Tierce, you said you are transplanting some posting habits from Paranoia Mafia and saying you are using them here as townand that I should "deal". My response to you is that you should "deal" that I find you suspicious for using scumbehavior from a scumgame we shared.

Huh, yeah? I said I understood where your suspicions came from and I'm not criticizing you for them, but I'm not going to change deliberate play because you find it meta-suspicious when the meta-appropriation was deliberate to begin with.
tl;dr: I

am

"dealing" with it.

[Tierce]

For reference:

Unofficial votecount:

Tammy (L-9) ~ Magister Ludi, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX
UberNinja (L-9) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, SpyreX, Glork, Nikanor, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Tierce (L-11) ~ Quilford, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
Hinduragi (L-13) ~ Haze, Zdenek
Quilford (L-14) ~ Duplicity
Wyrd (Nuwen) (L-14) ~ Wyrd
Alchemist (L-14) ~ MathGirl277
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Haze (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist

Not Voting:

implosion, Katsuki, Nexus, Shinori, singersigner

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

[Tierce]

Vote Count 0:

Shinon

Not Voting:

Alchemist, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Duplicity, Gammagooey, Glork, Haze, Hinduragi, implosion, Katsuki, Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, MaguaofIllusion, MathGirl277, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, Oversoul, Quilford, Shinori, singersigner, SpyreX, Tammy, Tierce, ToastyToast, UberNinja, Wyrd, Zdenek

0

Mini Vote Count:

Matthew (FE7) (also, 152 posts overnight, seriously)
Tammy (L-8) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi, UberNinja, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Oman, Glork
Quilford (L-13) ~

Tierce,

Alchemist, Duplicity
Tierce (L-13) ~

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Glork, Oman,

Quilford,

Tammy,

Tammy
dramonic (L-14) ~ Zdenek,

Tammy

Wyrd (Nuwen) (L-14) ~

Tierce,

Wyrd,

Quilford

Alchemist (L-14) ~ MathGirl277
Hinduragi (L-14) ~ Haze
Zdenek (L-14) ~

Tammy,

Hinduragi
Haze (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

SpyreX (L-15) ~

Tammy

Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-15) ~

Alchemist

Oversoul (L-15) ~

Magister Ludi, UberNinja

Not Voting:

Alchemist,

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Duplicity, Gammagooey, Glork, Haze, Hinduragi,

implosion, Katsuki, Lady Lambdadelta,

Magister Ludi,

MaguaofIllusion,

MathGirl277,

Nexus, Nikanor,

Oman, Oversoul, Quilford,

Shinori, singersigner,

SpyreX, Tammy, Tierce,

ToastyToast, UberNinja,

Wyrd, Zdenek,

Tierce,

Glork

0

0

Am I the only one who noticed this? I'm wondering if it has to do with votecount numbers or if it's something else. It's certainly not size-zero-Vi-prod-list.

@Vi: Is the meaning of this zero available for public knowledge? If so, could you explain it, please?[/b]

[Tierce]

EBWOP, failtag:

@Vi: Is the meaning of this zero available for public knowledge? If so, could you explain it, please?

[Tierce]

I also am a doublevoter in your vote count.

We might as well dream big.


It might mean votecount #0, especially since the second votecount was a

mini

-votecount. I'm wondering if that kind of "visible" numbering is a way of tracking the RL length of deadline-less days, but it seems redundant because it's already in the VC title/can be seen by counting the days.

Confuzzled and sleepy and ooooh bed nao.

[Tierce]

EBWOP, failtag:

@Vi: Is the meaning of this zero available for public knowledge? If so, could you explain it, please?

I have no clue what we're talking about here, enlighten me?

Look at the votecount posts. Lower right. There is a blueish, oversized, bolded 0 (zero) on them.
Inquiring minds want to know.

[Tierce]

And Tierce enters in Post 290 and confirms herself as scum. Hey Tierce dear, I want you in 50 words or less, to explain to me how anything I've done has expressed scum intent or mindset. I'm sure you can come up with

something

that sounds good. Noted the subtle way that you directed Spyrex to get on my wagon as well. Sneaky sneaky. Come on! Round up those votes...you've got a mislynch to push.

There was nothing "subtle" or "sneaky" about it. My intent was to get SpyreX to vote you. It's something that happens when you want to push your scumreads--you try and convince others to vote the wagon you prefer. But nah, this is completely a scum move by me, you're totes right.

I've already explained how your behavior is against what I'd expect from you as town and how I can't follow your train of thought; your behavior does not match what I have seen from townTammy.

[Tierce]

'Morning.

leaning scum:
UN, Tammy, Tierce

null: everyone else.

The three starting/main wagons? No visible intent to actually get reads elsewhere or push your scumreads?

Rope pl0x.

UNVOTE: Tammy
VOTE: ToastyToast

[Tierce]

Late to the party, it seems. Buuut it's a good wagon.

Did you not get from my first post that there were three people I found suspicious. Good God the stupidity.

Your top three suspicion list is literally a steaming bowl of shit.

How do expect me to respond to this? Would you prefer I just make up some scumreads on people who aren't being voted? I don't think my scumreads are shitty, and so I'm keeping them. The three of them are in a circle of "I know you before this game" and "I am like this in other games" and I don't like it. To me this is the singlemost suspicious thing in the game thus far. I'm sorry you don't like them, but quite frankly I think its a pretty damn good lead to start with this early into the game.

I mean, seriously, wtf is this? So we've played/read each other before, and that's suspicious? (You're in for a loop with me, I've read a

lot

of games for my join date.) You're not even trying to figure out who is scummier of the set? You have no comments on anything else? 'This early in the game' being page 20? We may be close to the start chronology-wise, but you find nothing else to comment on?

[Tierce]

Gamma's 447 is also a pretty good find. I don't think singersinger really knows what she is saying here. She puts down a vote on Tammy, and then a few hours (~15) later seemingly forgets where it is, calls tammy super town, and decides to call SpyreX, who was also on the Tammy wagon, scum, and Magua, scum, (who knows why) but doesn't shift her vote to either of them.

And she also said she didn't feel like mafia-ing, so that post is more of a "general feelings, will be back later" than "here is all my commentary and current reads". She's trying to participate with what she has.

Having met singer and knowing how she's been feeling recently, I think this is neither surprising nor scummy; instead it's a bit of a towntell.

[Tierce]

Snipped several bits.

As I have said, I think Tierce's reaction to Quil's list was an overreaction and highly similar to when she bussed me in Paranoia. Yes I know her defense, but I'm not going to let this go for now.

Given the first two pages, I have a townread on Ludi and Alchemist. Minor townreads on Quilford and Zednek, but we'll see how this changes.

You know my defense (I didn't realize he was actually RVSing and jumped on it for being a bad list, period), so I don't really have anything to say about this. I'm interested in how you think this is similar to when I was bussing you in Paranoia and yet you have a minor townread on Quilford; in the same breath, you are claiming that Tierce-Quilford is equal to Paranoia Tierce-Oversoul but they are at the same time different. Makes little sense.

Quil is going way over the top. Wow.

Also;

Ugh, I didn't want to get agro this early. Fuck.

Pretty sure we got scum here.

Why? His aggression if anything shows he doesn't care what people think and believes in the truthfulness of his list.

Then...

my

aggression is scummy, how? When I've stated directly in this game that I intend to be more aggressive as town, the reasons for it, and then do it--calling me (over)aggressive = scummy seems to defeat the point.

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as null out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

Maybe I've played a few too many games with Mastin, but this behavior doesn't particularly bother me.

Why would Quilford do that if he could just blend in with the shadows by making a random vote and no reads list? The initiative is town, Tierce.

Hai, the list was RVS meant to garner reactions. I didn't think it was, I thought it was a supposedly-legitimate-reads-on-post-22 and called bullshit on it. Then I saw The Error In My Ways. I don't think it's particularly town (here's a Tierce-Quil/Tierce-Oversoul difference, I called you town in Paranoia, while I don't have a townread on Quil), but my scumread was wrong.

Are we done with the pointless questioning? Great.

At this point I think we need to take a breather. There really isn't any reason you should be *this* angry Tierce, but then I again I don't know the whole story.

Why can't we be suspicious of your meta? You're asking town to do untowny things simply because you feel yourself to be clearly town.

Again, I never said you shouldn't be suspicious. The thing with Tammy was that she asked me to rehash what I had already said--and unlike you, she has no completed games with me nor is she familiar with my meta, so the whole thing seemed pointless.

What do you think of Quilford's aggro comment?

No opinion. I don't think it's relevant.

I am withholding a townread on Spyrex for a certain reason that I'll explain later, if I am allowed.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. If this reason is anywhere close to what I'm thinking, you need to STOP CLIAMING THIS CRAP, Oversoul. NOW. And yes, this makes me incredibly angry.

Why do you think me saying who I think is a weak spot in this playerlist would benefit town?

Why no pressure on UN for asking Gamma what his "super secret scumtell" is?

I'm not really reading UN's posts.

Why are pursuing scumreads and defusing wagons on people you think are town exclusive? If you get a lynch on a scumread you shouldn't have to worry about a lynch on one of your townreads, no?

I'm not really seeing the whole reason for "defending" bad players.

Then again, I am pretty sure we've never had a towngame together other than Mafia with the Kitties.

Why do you not have a problem with Oman's vote when it is fairly clear we were out of RVS at the time of that vote? Is it because he has blue eyes?

Tierce, do you think your scumplay is unique to yourself?

I really don't see how you can be angry at Ludi for asking you "who are easy lynch ponies?" and then ask Glork to explain his "not at liberty statement"

Like seriously I don't understand the logic behind those two actions.

Will approach this and the rest later, I need food and breakfast closes in 10.

Assertive aggressiveness can be good, and you're fooling yourself if you think I would be mellow and gentle as town in a game with this playerlist in these circumstances.

Need I point you to a thread in MD about town leaders? Sometimes being a person who isn't in the limelight is a good idea. Would you not agree?

Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be on me than Tierce at this point.

No.

If given the chance (beyond my control at this point) I will explain more, but no. That is not good logic to use when justifying *anyone* as town.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. Again.

[Tierce]

Failquotes. Let's try again.

@Vi: Please delete the previous post.

Snipped several bits.

As I have said, I think Tierce's reaction to Quil's list was an overreaction and highly similar to when she bussed me in Paranoia. Yes I know her defense, but I'm not going to let this go for now.

Given the first two pages, I have a townread on Ludi and Alchemist. Minor townreads on Quilford and Zednek, but we'll see how this changes.

You know my defense (I didn't realize he was actually RVSing and jumped on it for being a bad list, period), so I don't really have anything to say about this. I'm interested in how you think this is similar to when I was bussing you in Paranoia and yet you have a minor townread on Quilford; in the same breath, you are claiming that Tierce-Quilford is equal to Paranoia Tierce-Oversoul but they are at the same time different. Makes little sense.

Quil is going way over the top. Wow.

Also;

Ugh, I didn't want to get agro this early. Fuck.

Pretty sure we got scum here.

Why? His aggression if anything shows he doesn't care what people think and believes in the truthfulness of his list.

Then...

my

aggression is scummy, how? When I've stated directly in this game that I intend to be more aggressive as town, the reasons for it, and then do it--calling me (over)aggressive = scummy seems to defeat the point.

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as null out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

Maybe I've played a few too many games with Mastin, but this behavior doesn't particularly bother me.

Why would Quilford do that if he could just blend in with the shadows by making a random vote and no reads list? The initiative is town, Tierce.

Hai, the list was RVS meant to garner reactions. I didn't think it was, I thought it was a supposedly-legitimate-reads-on-post-22 and called bullshit on it. Then I saw The Error In My Ways. I don't think it's particularly town (here's a Tierce-Quil/Tierce-Oversoul difference, I called you town in Paranoia, while I don't have a townread on Quil), but my scumread was wrong.

Are we done with the pointless questioning? Great.

At this point I think we need to take a breather. There really isn't any reason you should be *this* angry Tierce, but then I again I don't know the whole story.

Why can't we be suspicious of your meta? You're asking town to do untowny things simply because you feel yourself to be clearly town.

Again, I never said you shouldn't be suspicious. The thing with Tammy was that she asked me to rehash what I had already said--and unlike you, she has no completed games with me nor is she familiar with my meta, so the whole thing seemed pointless.

What do you think of Quilford's aggro comment?

No opinion. I don't think it's relevant.

I am withholding a townread on Spyrex for a certain reason that I'll explain later, if I am allowed.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. If this reason is anywhere close to what I'm thinking, you need to STOP CLIAMING THIS CRAP, Oversoul. NOW. And yes, this makes me incredibly angry.

Why do you think me saying who I think is a weak spot in this playerlist would benefit town?

Why no pressure on UN for asking Gamma what his "super secret scumtell" is?

I'm not really reading UN's posts.

Why are pursuing scumreads and defusing wagons on people you think are town exclusive? If you get a lynch on a scumread you shouldn't have to worry about a lynch on one of your townreads, no?

I'm not really seeing the whole reason for "defending" bad players.

Then again, I am pretty sure we've never had a towngame together other than Mafia with the Kitties.

Why do you not have a problem with Oman's vote when it is fairly clear we were out of RVS at the time of that vote? Is it because he has blue eyes?

Tierce, do you think your scumplay is unique to yourself?

I really don't see how you can be angry at Ludi for asking you "who are easy lynch ponies?" and then ask Glork to explain his "not at liberty statement"

Like seriously I don't understand the logic behind those two actions.

Will approach this and the rest later, I need food and breakfast closes in 10.

Assertive aggressiveness can be good, and you're fooling yourself if you think I would be mellow and gentle as town in a game with this playerlist in these circumstances.

Need I point you to a thread in MD about town leaders? Sometimes being a person who isn't in the limelight is a good idea. Would you not agree?

Sure. But that's not who

I

am. I'm the kind of person who goes all limelight even if I'm a doc/weak doc.

Tierce's complete and utter confusion over flavor / win conditions is very likely genuine, as I'd expect her to tighten up the flavor screws before the game started if she were scum. Please move your vote somewhere more useful. Hell, I'd rather it be on me than Tierce at this point.

No.

If given the chance (beyond my control at this point) I will explain more, but no. That is not good logic to use when justifying *anyone* as town.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. Again.

THIS is purely genuine anger, Oversoul, and you know it. I don't give a fuck about your alignment at this stage, if you continue this crap, I WILL fuck you up.

[Tierce]

That said, Oversoul is probtown. (Oh god need to go get food.)

But HATE. SO MUCH HATE. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

[Tierce]

Why are pursuing scumreads and defusing wagons on people you think are town exclusive? If you get a lynch on a scumread you shouldn't have to worry about a lynch on one of your townreads, no?

Not exclusive. It's just the way I usually approach it--I tend to get lost pushing a defense on someone instead of actually scumhunting his accusers. See: I'm a white-knight, not a town chainsawer. kuribo gets lost in arguing with people, I get lost trying to defend people who will inevitably be wagoned/lynched later on anyway.

It doesn't happen on purpose, but I tend to be single-minded--either attack-tunneling, or defense-tunneling. When I get convinced of someone's alignment--heck, you saw me on Mafia with the Kitties, D1, re: DeasVail scumread.

I'm not really seeing the whole reason for "defending" bad players.

See above. If I think they are town, I tend to defend them ferociously to the detriment of the rest of the game. I've reached the conclusion that this is not a healthy approach to the game for the way I'd like to work.

Then again, I am pretty sure we've never had a towngame together other than Mafia with the Kitties.

Correct, we have no other finished games together other than MwtK and Paranoia--and you apparently aren't too familiar with my townplay. There's no problem with that, but this whole situation started because I did some angry soul searching and decided to change my playstyle.

Why do you not have a problem with Oman's vote when it is fairly clear we were out of RVS at the time of that vote? Is it because he has blue eyes?

Yes~ And I did question him about his vote; he called it RVS, and after I posted I noticed he had actually changed his vote already. I don't have a problem with that anymore than I have with CES's typical vote-the-largest-wagon-in-RVS meta.

In fact, now that I think about it, I have a townread on Oman--his claim that he is not a barometer and shouldn't be sheeped out of the blue was pretty townish.

Tierce, do you think your scumplay is unique to yourself?

What kind of question is that? Is this some kind of snipe at me saying "don't compare me with VP Baltar"? The intent behind that was because I think VPB is a great scum player. I'm not, and it's public knowledge I dislike playing scum. (That's actually changing--I like a

challenging game

more than I like an

alignment

, and that was one of the reasons I liked being scum in Paranoia, because that game required work; OTOH, I didn't like being scum in PYP Redux, and in MLP I was just nervous as hell with Vi in the game and Glork as my town neighbor. /tangent)

I don't think my play as any alignment is particularly unique, as I draw bits and pieces from the games I read to build my own playstyle upon. You don't have to look too deeply at this playerlist to see at least one person I'm trying to draw upon for my townplay.

(Hai--another person I use for my townplay-model is our exalted mod.)

I really don't see how you can be angry at Ludi for asking you "who are easy lynch ponies?" and then ask Glork to explain his "not at liberty statement"

It's different. Ludi is asking me who are potential mislynches--either for him or so I'll share that knowledge with the rest of the game. With the amount of games I read, this is dangerous information to provide scum with off-hand, and it has no bearing in whom I actually think is scum, so there's no point in dwelling on it.
Glork's statement seemed like he had some sort of ongoing meta on me, which looking back at our (nonexistent) ongoing games together, seemed out of place. There was no reason for him not to comment on his scumread reasons on me because we are not playing together elsewhere.


This ran long.

[Tierce]

Also, Oversoul, you really, really, REALLY need to stop referring ongoing games. This crap you do is just as bad as the "[REDACTED]-game"--games are not entities in vacuum, and you're going to have reads on people in one game based with your interactions with them in OTHER ongoing games, sure.

But you can't bring those up while the game is ongoing. On the game thread, on PMs, on AIM, on QTs, anywhere. Hinting at the fact that you have a town/scumread on someone but are 'not at liberty to say why

yet

' is TERRIBLE. You are releasing information about your alignment/how you feel about someone in a different game. You do this constantly, and by now you really should know better. I read a lot of games (completed and ongoing), and every time you do this it's another game I can't replace into because I feel I have compromised information about it. Hell, I feel bad about Wyrd's townread on me:

Tierce is not scum here because of pre-game talks of how she was going to approach this game and Glork paranoia.

This has very little to do with this game in particular, because the conversation was before role PMs were distributed and I don't think I actually said how I'd approach

this

game in particular, just talked with Fate about how my playstyle would be changing in the future, but it still makes me feel queasy and uncomfortable because it makes me ridiculously obvtown to him.


You know how I feel about game integrity. You know that my anger when you started hinting at other games in Paranoia was completely genuine. Please, please, stop doing this. I like playing with you. Stop making every game a chore in which I'm afraid of even reading your posts because of this.

[Tierce]

Not many games have the potential scum win condition out in the open like that.

Because most of them are considered the general wincondition?

Glork, I'll let that sentiment bite you in the ass later.

Tierce's crap with Quilford is almost fucking identical to the bussing she did to me in Paranoia Mafia.

Overzealous accusation against another player (maybe her buddy although I doubt it from Quil's play) and then biting her tongue and accepting the person she was vehemently pushing is town once others start chiming in about her actions and the actions of the person she is accusing.

Huh. This is not nearly close to what happened.

Look at the amount of times Glork called Quil's list RVS, and how oblivious I was. Then look at my posts. It's very clear where the shoe drops and I realize the list

is

RVS, and thus not worthy of consideration for scumhunting.

I don't particularly think QUilford is town, but that list does not make him scum, so that vote was out of place.

[Tierce]

her fairly obvtown including her reaction/genuiness to being voted alongside her unpromopted soft-claim.

Oh, that's another thing you reminded me.

I don't find that softclaim town at all.

I want to hear Tierce's response to everything before I reveal why though.

Go right ahead, then.

I'm going to come clear on this: my

character's flavor

makes me think I am looking for two other people, but there is nothing in my

role

that specifically indicates this. As such, if anything, I think I am a search

TARGET

, and would like searching/seeking roles to come after me because if we

do

get any results out of this, it should add power to town.

[Tierce]

Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.

I'm Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.

If not, well--carry on.

[Tierce]

...Holy shit. Sorry for the 11 (now 12) posts in a row. I didn't even realize it had been that many, I was just dropping them in as I read and they seemed to have different enough subjects/were stream of consciousness enough to warrant new posts.


Oversoul, of course my stuff in Paranoia was engineered to look town. I was

scum

and the only place I was being transparent on was the scum QT, where I laid all my cards down and wasn't on strategilurk mode. If you actually want to use Paranoia as a meta match, a better comparison for my play would be 'Paranoia scum QT'-'my play here', not 'Paranoia game thread'-'my play here'. However, I really think you should have a look at my completed

town

games and add three levels of FIRE AND HATE to them--you'll find my behavior is pretty similar to what's happening here.

Of course I was trying to look town in Paranoia--I was scum! Looking town is a good thing to do as scum. But here I don't have to

try

or engineer fake townslips--if I townslip, it's genuine, because HAI I'M TOWN.



Peace out.

[Tierce]

Y'all probably want an explanation for why I think there might be a town power in getting all three brothers together:
Triangle Attack in the Fire Emblem wiki


PEdit: Huh, exactly. I asked you about your vote on me when I questioned my whole wagon, and I said it was probably RVS before you actually confirmed it was RVS. I had no issues with your RVS vote on me, I was answering Oversoul when he questioned me

why

I had no issues with it.

[Tierce]

Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.

I'm Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.

If not, well--carry on.

What's the intent behind this, Tierce?
If you're town, you've essentially claimed town PR. Won't you be shot?
Also, how do you know you're not on the list of "roles to be eliminated"?
Won't you be shot and won't you be making it easier for scum to win?

I'm town--scum's goal is already to get me killed anyway, and the softclaim had already gone too far. I'd rather make it clear and ensure that, if Rolf's brothers/the mercenaries are out there, they'll come for me. If I'm shot, I'm shot--that's bound to happen sooner or later.

I expect that "Micaiah's plan" list isn't going to include just 'famous' names, but honestly I stepped too far on that softclaim and thought it best to be open about it and call for my potential 2/3rds. With luck, there is actually a power role if we get together, oooor there is actually no co-PR whatsoever and paranoid scum shoot me, which wouldn't be too shabby.

[Tierce]

No, Quil. Fate didn't need to admit that townread on me--it was before the game, and if he didn't bring it up, it would 1) look bad for me to do so and 2) perfectly fine for Wyrd. They went out of their way to present a logical obvtown read on me with new reasoning. They are town.

[Tierce]

I really don't know who to vote for atm. D:

Hint: Name starts with Toasty, ends with Toast, he of the very comfortable scumspicions on the original three wagons and no apparent work on trying to unravel scum-town/town-town/scum-scum connections between his scumspect trio or getting reads on anyone else.

Now that'd be a good vote.

[Tierce]

Hmm. Rereading Toast, I've realized I'm misrepping him somewhat--he did try to get something more out of his trio.

Vote stands, though. Do you know what I like about Nikanor, Hinduragi, Zdenek? I have no idea what they are going on about, but they sure are dealing in things not strictly related to the top wagons, and that shows a lack of scummy opportunism. This is not present on Toast's posts, because they are far too centered on this situation without really trying to get

other

reads.

[Tierce]

That said, Oversoul is probtown. (Oh god need to go get food.)

But HATE. SO MUCH HATE. SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

what an obvscum post

Considering you apparently have no fucking idea why I'm raging against Oversoul, go ahead and call me obvscum. I couldn't be obvtowning more if I tried.


Glork, I derped hard when I called out the number of roles I am looking for. There wasn't much point in hiding it from then on. :/ If they actually exist, I don't want the other two players to claim, but if they can neighborize/masonize, here I am, this is me, etc.


PEdit: Okay back to /ignore mode because I REALLY CAN'T DEAL WITH IT.

[Tierce]

Maybe realize that I don't have to 'try' because this behavior comes naturally

because I'm town

? I mean, seriously, if you want to call me "too townie" just after you called me obvscum, by all means. (Hint: look at most of my finished town games, I

do

obvtown like crazy. And yes, I call myself obvtown as town, because the level of clarity in my alignment tends to be pretty ridiculous.)

Oversoul toes the line of game integrity in pretty much every game he's in and that drives me bananas. I get angry at that. (Oh no she's an angry person she's totes obvscum--hey dude meet Fate and SpyreX and you'll see what true anger is.) I've lynched town as town for this bullshit and NO REGRETS.

Just keep voting Toast. The rest is pretty much irrelevant tbqh.

[Tierce]

Other than the fact that pretty much all dead town suspected me in Paranoia? I can't really do much for you here, Glork. I really can't compare a town game to a scum game of my own and expect the results to be unbiased, because I already know my alignment is different.

I was successful as scum in Paranoia. Yes, I was copying my town meta and subverting my scum meta in that game--there were several instances of "why would scum Tierce ever do this" that were there on purpose. That's what I've learned to do as scum because it wins me scum games, and heck, it was fun to do.
As town, if there are such instances, they come naturally. See what I mean? As scum, I have to think about them. (TBQH, I'd like to think that at this stage my scumplay is good enough that I don't derp as I already did here, but I missed a mid-of-line vote in Paranoia and that might count as derping? Dunno.) As town, my behavior is transparent because I don't have to hide anything.


Seeing you paranoid here makes me feel better about you, at least.

[Tierce]

Fucking fuck.

Oversoul, of course my stuff in Paranoia was engineered to look town. I was

scum

and the only place I was being transparent on was the scum QT, where I laid all my cards down and wasn't on strategilurk mode.

Maybe realize that I don't have to 'try' because this behavior comes naturally

because I'm town

?

Can you please reconcile these two quotes? Obivously you had success engineering townplay in Paranoia, as you survived and won.

How exactly do you expect us to discern "EngineeredTierceTown" from "GenuineTierceTown"?

Oh, I see what you mean.

That wasn't my point. My point is that UberNinja is accusing me of looking (too?) town. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I look town because I'm town--if his case on me is a Tammy vote + looking town, there's nothing I can do for him when those are clearly coming from a town mindset. I understand Oversoul's suspicion if there are similarities in my play with Paranoia, though those similarities are deliberate (because I got crap done in Paranoia and I want to get crap done in my town games); but UberNinja's suspicion on me is crap, because he doesn't really keep up with games he has died in (so he doesn't even have Paranoia-similarities to draw on as "omg Tierce is scum paranoia ohshi--"), and in his other game with me (Weather Mafia II) we were both town--aaaand he didn't keep up with that one either.

tl;dr:
1) UberNinja doesn't know my meta and accuses me of looking town;
2) Well then.
3) I throw my hands up in the air sometimes, saying hey-o, gotta let go...
4) (Hi Vi.)

[Tierce]

Faraday isn't in this game...? That's MoI and Magua. But I'll have Faraday with me in 90 min wheeee~


I tend to

have

paint big fucking targets on my back anyway. In Warlocks and Werewolves, I claimed weak doc on D1. In Newbie #1197, I claimed doc about 5 posts after replacing in (that was incredibly stupid and I'm not too fond of remembering that game ._.). I'm not afraid of fullclaiming, Oversoul. Look at this playerlist. I'm fairly confident that, if I die early, town has players

far more capable

than me to keep things going--I'm not THAT arrogant. Tiercetown doesn't die that early in Larges.

You're actually rather wrong in your perception of how I feel about being killed early. It's usually a compliment--it means scum saw me as a threat. I hate that town

ignores

me afterwards, I don't hate

being killed

per se. It's two different things. It's more a "arrrrgh why aren't they sheeping my reads HELLO IS SOMEONE THERE" reaction than hating being killed--if I'm killed, a future town loss isn't really my fault. >.>

Aaaand Nuwen? Seriously? The jumps in logic you are making mean you're probably town trying to piece this whole thing together (much more rationally than you do as scum, btw), but I

adore

Nuwen. You can see me going after SpyreX and Nuwen like a lost puppy (sorry Typo Incarnate, but that's a truth and yes I should be paranoid but I don't see Spyscum atm). She may have a tendency to kill me early on as scum because we somewhat similar scumhunting styles; OTOH, I wouldn't be afraid to get her dead if I thought she was scum. I don't fear her when I'm town--I fear people when I'm scum. Your logic is backwards.

I didn't even consider Nuwen-scum when I fullclaimed, but if you want to disprove that theory--look at when Wyrd called me town, then see when I fullclaimed. Their townread on me makes me believe that Wyrd are town, so, logically, Tiercetown would have no reason to fear Nuwenscum.

(FWIW, Nuwen has killed me twice as scum. Admittedly, that's the sum of the games we've played together in which I was town and she was scum. Stop that, lady.)

[Tierce]

Then... my aggression is scummy, how? When I've stated directly in this game that I intend to be more aggressive as town, the reasons for it, and then do it--calling me (over)aggressive = scummy seems to defeat the point.

saying "oh hey guys, Imma play differently this time " is scummy too. Why do you need to tell people you're playing differently? Why not just do it? Unless your "new town" matches your scum identity, there is no reason for it. And if it does match your scum identity, then its still scummy.

No, it's not scummy at all. I don't want to be strung up for something that is deliberate. I've taken a lot of flak as town for defending weak players, I've decided to try and do away with some of it due to recent events, and I wanted to get it out of the way and moving on. Your complaints about the constant reference to meta are at least partially due to the fact that people won't accept this and move on--I understand being suspicious, I was suspicious of a town player who did this in Weather Mafia II, but either vote me or shut up altogether.

I'm not really reading UN's posts.

protown attitude right there.

It is. They make my eyes bleed.

It's different. Ludi is asking me who are potential mislynches--either for him or so I'll share that knowledge with the rest of the game. With the amount of games I read, this is dangerous information to provide scum with off-hand, and it has no bearing in whom I actually think is scum, so there's no point in dwelling on it.

Not necessarily. By giving that information, scum would have to risk being called out on it. Say, if you and Ludi agree that Tammy is a potential mislynch, scum might actually ignore such a wagon.

And yet I'd rather shut up and call them out on it if I see such wagons being pushed. Catching scum red-handed is much better than giving them the info to use early on.

Oh, what the hell. That was obvious enough to anyone familiar with Fire Emblem and any scum worth their mettle will realize who the trio is.
I'm Rolf. If Oscar and Boyd (or other Greil Mercenaries) are out there and can neighborize/masonize/whatever, HAI I'M HERE.
If not, well--carry on.

WHY. WHY WHY WHY. Oh, that's a good idea! Lets tell scum that there's a dangerous and possibly-conf-town trio!

Unvote:Vote:Tierce

I admit it might have been a bad idea, but why is it scummy? Why does it merit a vote? The way you treat the claim makes it look like you believe it comes from town--in which case, voting me is dumb if you are town.

I expect that "Micaiah's plan" list isn't going to include just 'famous' names, but honestly I stepped too far on that softclaim and thought it best to be open about it and call for my potential 2/3rds. With luck, there is actually a power role if we get together, oooor there is actually no co-PR whatsoever and paranoid scum shoot me, which wouldn't be too shabby.

So, instead of just shutting the f up about your softclaim, you decide to name claim AND mention a possible connection of the three brothers? You do realize that this is more dangerous than just soft-claiming? Its not even an issue of a single death

See above. You seem to think this is a town claim; why the vote on me? (Hint: town does stupid stuff sometimes. Sorry.) And I don't want the brothers to claim; admittedly, I didn't think about scum watchers, which was a bad oversight.

Hint: Name starts with Toasty, ends with Toast, he of the very comfortable scumspicions on the original three wagons and no apparent work on trying to unravel scum-town/town-town/scum-scum connections between his scumspect trio or getting reads on anyone else.

this sort of "let's convince people!" shit is awful.

Why? You didn't have a similar reaction to me trying to move SpyreX onto Tammy. What makes the two situations different? Is me trying to get my scumreads lynched scummy? Why?

Hmm. Rereading Toast, I've realized I'm misrepping him somewhat--he did try to get something more out of his trio.

But you still keep the vote on me. Then why say this? Only reason I can see is to distance yourself from the wagon if I flip town.

You've clipped my quote. I'll amend my cases if I think they are not exact/I'm misrepping someone--it's natural behavior.

For reference, my full quote:

Hmm. Rereading Toast, I've realized I'm misrepping him somewhat--he did try to get something more out of his trio.

Vote stands, though. Do you know what I like about Nikanor, Hinduragi, Zdenek? I have no idea what they are going on about, but they sure are dealing in things not strictly related to the top wagons, and that shows a lack of scummy opportunism. This is not present on Toast's posts, because they are far too centered on this situation without really trying to get

other

reads.

Maybe realize that I don't have to 'try' because this behavior comes naturally because I'm town? I mean, seriously, if you want to call me "too townie" just after you called me obvscum, by all means. (Hint: look at most of my finished town games, I do obvtown like crazy. And yes, I call myself obvtown as town, because the level of clarity in my alignment tends to be pretty ridiculous.)

huh? unwarranted cocky "I'm awesome" attitude in a game where people don't think you are obvtown? confuzzling.

Actually quite a few people think I'm obvtown but whatevs~

Also, with "players looking for players" as a mechanic, there's a very good chance that the scums have one (or more) watcher/tracker abilities. If they use said abilities on you, you're outing even MORE townroles to the scums.

You know I heart you, but seriously, get your shit together.

This

Again. You seem to think I'm town. STOP VOTING ME IF YOU ARE TOWN.

I was successful as scum in Paranoia. Yes, I was copying my town meta and subverting my scum meta in that game--there were several instances of "why would scum Tierce ever do this" that were there on purpose. That's what I've learned to do as scum because it wins me scum games, and heck, it was fun to do.

And what to stop you from using your meta to get through this game?

Nothing! Except I'm not scum.

if I die early, town has players far more capable than me to keep things going--I'm not THAT arrogant. Tiercetown doesn't die that early in Larges

wow. Let's play "compliment the playerlist," eh?

Ooooh I could go on. Dude, it's no secret there are players in this game that I completely :HEART: and would have lovechildren with if I ever wanted kids. That doesn't mean I won't push for their lynches if I think they're scum.
Why did you comment on this?

[Tierce]

@Alchemist:
Don't really have the brain to read it now. I'm quite tired and trying to catch up elsewhere.

So far, I think Glork is town. My general problem is that Glork hasn't had a scum game since his return, and I can't really compare his current play to the one before his hiatus and draw comparisons.


@dram:

Actually

it's apparently shared by several groups of characters including my little trio.

[Tierce]

Can you not just blanket-town Glork because he's Glork? When you can get around to it, please critically read my post and give me your thoughts.

See above? I implied I'd do it. Let me sleep first.

[Tierce]

It's not number of dead people, it's not number of VCs (VC 1 had a zero), it's not random.

I'm paranoid about that goddamn blue number.

[Tierce]

@Tierce:

$10 is it's related to activity; the less activity, the faster the number goes up, when the number hits a target, bad things happen. The inverse of the battery mechanic in every other Vi game.

That being said, you're not dumb, you're not ignorant of Vi's other games, I can't believe it would take you more than 20 seconds to come up with this theory. Instead it's all, "WHATCANITBE?!?!?!" I very much agree with Oversoul that this seems exactly like you being all, "Look how ignorant of the setup I am, that's a towntell!"

I'm not actually bothering to make theories.

1) I don't know the flavor.
2) It's D1.

I typically go into wild off-the-wall theory mode later in the game (as scum (see the scum QT for MLP) or town (see Weather Mafia II), so no, I'm not trying to make this a towntell, tyvm), today I'd much rather watch scum eat rope and see what happens to the number when we get a nightcycle in. There's not much point in blind speculation atm. I'm wary. I won't allow myself to be distracted by it for too long.

[Tierce]

Oversoul, if you've just killed me, seriously, fuck you. I have no idea what Aether is supposed to do, but wtf?

Reads, in no particular order:
Town:
Glork
Oversoul
UberNinja
Oman
singersigner
Wyrd

Scum:
implosion
ToastyToast
Tammy

No idea about the rest.

WHAT THE FUCK, dude.

I am out of here. Going to drown myself in vodka and hope this is a fucking joke.

[Tierce]

Jesus fuck if it was ANY MORE OBVIOUS what Glork's probcharacter was, he would have slapped you in the face with it.

So much hate.

[Tierce]

Glork have you ever given a Ludi read?

I'm impressed you held out as long as you did, OS.

I don't fucking care if I'm dead, you are going to answer why you made this comment.

[Tierce]

Aaaand some wiki questing later--

You can all thank me later

Aether: Tierce

YOU KNOW WHO IS GOING TO THANK YOU

SCUM

THAT'S WHO


Of all the fucking derps to give a dayvig to. -_-


Fantastic. Being a magnificent failplayer on D1, when several people are calling me town, when it's obvious that Glork needs me alive, when it's incredibly obvious that any claim of mine is coming from town.

Fuck you. I'm done.


Don't fucking care if you're sorry. I have no fucking empathy left for you.

[Tierce]

LOL LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO USE A DAYVIG ON A PLAYER D1 THAT DOES NOT HAVE A WAGON ON THEM INSTEAD OF USING IT TO GIVE TOWN A SECOND LYNCH

YEAH

THAT MAKES SENSE


Yeeeah I'm going to need that vodka right about now.



Aaaaand where's my answer, Alchemist?

[Tierce]

Of course I'm fucking PISSED. What did you expect?

[Tierce]

Okay, that's acceptable. Thought you suddenly had a magical scumread on me and was going lolwut.



Oversoul, from this moment on until the day someone puts a well-deserved bullet through your brain, you are sheeping Glork's reads. You are shooting who he says. You're not fucking around like this. SHEEP GLORK AND SHUT THE FUCK UP. Bloody idiot.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE

VIGGED D1

REALLY?!

[Tierce]

I can see that as a nightvig, but a dayvig? You might as well kill the person who has the most votes on, then get a second lynch going with analysis of the previous wagon.

Anyway, that's theory/potential playstyle I don't have the head for atm and totally irrelevant to this.


So much rage.
No, Oversoul. You don't get to have the power of vigging someone, doing so and then saying you're 'sorry'. Own up to your bloody actions.


Full claim since I don't know what this will flip like: my role looks pretty similar to Lucius's PM on p1, making me a VT/someone with powers I don't know of. The role coloring makes me Crimean (which lines up with Rolf's origins).

And a hearty fuck you to Oversoul. I don't even care if you are a town vig at the moment, you are going to eat a piece of humble pie before this day is over.

[Tierce]

I'm really sorry Tierce and I hope you don't hate me after it

Your play matched Paranoia so much though

You're a fucking idiot if you think I'd play scum in a game with this playerlist the same way I played in Paranoia so recently

oh wait

you are an idiot

typing like this is really therapeutic right now

and that's all I got left


hai if the other element can search/seek you know who to target tonight kthx good luck bro


good luck town

except oversoul

you can rot in hell

[Tierce]

I'm really sorry Tierce and I hope you don't hate me after it

Your play matched Paranoia so much though

You're just that much of an idiot and don't get why I'm pissed off, aren't you?

Dayvigging a scumread is fine.

Vigging a scumread on D1 because of META when that meta is FULLY DELIBERATE AND CLAIMED ON MY FIRST POSTS?!

Bite me.


If you have any more shots, don't you bloody dare use them unless Glork tells you to.


PEdit GLORK HOLD ME.

[Tierce]

I really can't believe this.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Tierce]

Yo MoI

good to know that the entirety of what you want to comment re: a dayvig is the fact that the vigged person has a different view on theory than you

really incredibly useful comment when someone is about to flip

you should probably eat rope too

but not mind me

at this stage it's just mindless :RAGE:

[Tierce]

but not mind me

s/not/don't

words how do they work


seriously, oversoul. one day you need to actually learn how to play with your brain turned on.

[Tierce]

Not really much of a point in reading my posts, unless you are specifically interested in sheeping my reads (which no one ever does after I die HAI OVERSOUL YOU GODDAMN DERP). I'm going to flip town, there are no connections to hunt for from them. Might as well keep going. Lynch Toast. Club Oversoul about the head with rotten fish.

Forgot Alchemist on my townreads, btw.


I'll drama queen all I want excuse me this is my moment and Oversoul needs to learn how to be a decent player EVENTUALLY. Because every time he's town he ends up saying "I fucked up" when he messes up his role. Godfuckingdammit. It pisses me off so much.

Also, being vigged when I'm obvtowning? Bloody frustrating.

[Tierce]

Yo MoI

good to know that the entirety of what you want to comment re: a dayvig is the fact that the vigged person has a different view on theory than you

really incredibly useful comment when someone is about to flip

you should probably eat rope too

but not mind me

at this stage it's just mindless :RAGE:

Well why we are on the subject ... what exactly should I be commenting on that I'm not?

1. That you are about to flip? Well given that Fake Dayvigs are more common than actual Dayvigs I'm not in the "100% sold this is actually happening" camp. Once Vi posts I can make informed commentary about the implication of the move / your flip.
2. That Oversoul made a pretty stupid choice if his ability is real? That's pretty given since I already said I would have shot Spyrex, Magister or Singer as a Dayvig myself.
3. That you are still spamming with your rage?

Did you miss my most recent post today that comments on all sorts of players and their alignment?

I'm glad your stance is "You should die because you disagree with my stance on stupid use of Dayvigs".

1. Probably trying to push me? I unno, I'm fully convinced this is an actual dayvig since I don't think Oversoul has much in terms of flavor knowledge. Fake dayvigs are good to get reads on the vigged person and those around, because you can get awkward reactions from certain people.

I kind of skimmed it as I caught up, yeah. It does not deal with the present situation and I'd like to see that happen.

And no, my stance has nothing to do with your stance on dayvigs; it has to do with you thinking that your own stance on dayvigs was the most appropriate comment for that situation. It's awkward, ill-timed, doesn't help anyone. It feels like scum arguing for the sake of arguing about stuff that doesn't determine alignment.

@tierce

there there.

This... actually helped. Thank you. <3


PEdit: OH GREAT UNNECESSARY CLAIMING THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE

Just shut up, please. Stop fucking up things further.

[Tierce]

FOS: SpyreX

[Tierce]

Yo, third half: probably best to stay put unless you think neighbors/masons discussion would be a good improvement to your current situation. The risk of being watched/tracked may not compensate for the benefits. Hint: you can do things almost as well by sheeping Glork forever.

[Tierce]

Nothing that is specifically listed from my PM. I assume we'd get a neighborhood, but again--see below.

My role PM talks about my brothers, how important the Greil Mercenaries are to me, and how in war my main objective is to help with my bow. Even though many will die at the end, I'll make sure my friends and family survive.

As listed on the first page, if there are any special abilities to my role, I don't know them.

I've already claimed that I suspected I'd need to find my brothers, as this reads like a typical search-target PM, but I don't get any visible benefits from it. Triangle Attack was my suspicion, since that's what Oscar, Boyd and Rolf are good at doing as a group when together.


For your sake, Oversoul, I really hope my role was actually completely vanilla and that neither you nor I are scum targets.

[Tierce]

Seriously

is this karma or something

can I like

for once

play with SpyreX and Nuwen

nooooo we can't have that

[Tierce]

Nuwen's slot towntold like crazy with their read on me. This was almost masons-at-a-distance. This was almost an MS dream come true.


Look at you. Not remotely important! But me? I could do so much more! So much more! But this is what I get. My reward. Well it's not fair!

(I've lived too long.)

[Shut up if I've been vigged I'll spam with Doctor Who quotes screw you all.]


Your life choices, Oversoul. Reconsider them. Don't quit your day job, because you suck at this.

[Tierce]

Thanks for showing to the class again how blind you are, UberNinja.

My strong towntell on Wyrd is the fact that Fate resort to a pre-game discussion I had had with him with how I would approach games in the future, and he analyzed it to reach the conclusion that I'm town. The fact that he is actually doing this, when it would be so easy for Fate-scum to dismiss that conversation we had (and so out-of-place for

me

to mention it in-thread as to why he should have a townread on me), makes him town trying really hard to get a good read on me. Fate and Nuwen working together are an amazing town force, and I'm making sure that after I die people with BRAINS are listened to. Like Glork and Wyrd.

Listen to them while they are alive and Great Things should be achieved.

[Tierce]

I'll always be your Gobbie, Glork. <3


Kats, you apparently have no idea what is going on here. Oversoul just vigged me. I'm going to flip town, so the moment I flip, trust me.

Fate's (Wyrd) townread on me was something like "from pre-game talk of how she was going to approach this game". This was before roles were assigned, and technically wasn't even about this game itself, but me using him as a soundboard on how I feel I should approach future games as town. This includes not overly-defending shit players even if I had a somewhat decent townread on them, because they are going to end up lynched/be a future liability anyway. Meta-change talk, essentially.

Fate came into this game and saw me acting the way I said I would.

And he mentioned it.

This is the important bit. It would be very easy for Fatescum to ignore our previous conversation altogether and make up some bullshit read; goodness knows Fatescum does that. Instead, he was actually trying to figure me out. It's an awesome sign that he is protown.

And I don't think I need to tell you how awesome Fate and Nuwen working as one are for town's chances at winning this.

[Tierce]

Btw--I should note that iirc, Vi doesn't really believe in scum vigs--her reaction to the (fake) vig claim and the subsequent rolecopier claim in MLP made it pretty sure that, for Vi, vigs are a protown staple.

So if I die, Oversoul is very, very likely town. Dumb as all hell and would throttle him for fun and giggles, but town.

/outguessing the mod
/more rage
/:HAPPY:


PEdit: MoI, frankly, I'm not in the mood. We'll discuss your bloody expectations of people if I survive this, but for pity's sake, for now assume I'm going to die and you're talking with conftown. K? K.

It wasn't a discussion. It was more a "goddammit ARGH I HATE EVERYTHING this is how I think I'll act in the future", there wasn't much of a return from him. "Soundboard" was probably the wrong word.

Hypo-Fatescum could very easily dismiss the conversation. He had absolutely no need to go back to it. And yet he did. Yes, he could be trying too hard--but it's D1. If he's showing protown rationale and it looks genuine, I'm not going to be paranoid going "omg he's faking it". Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Fate doesn't elaborate on crap when he's scum.

We who are about to die say: bite me. I'm being as logical as I can. (Hint: Nuwen killed me in MMMM:HR because she thought I wouldn't hesitate to go kamikaze on her if I thought she was scum.) I've pursued Fatescum. I'm not afraid of hunting down scumreads no matter who they are. Go read Brass & Shrapnel and stop acting like I am some kind of adulating cowardly chicken.

[Tierce]

Oh, obv:

@Vi: Votecount, please.

Don't want to do this song and dance until the next 'official' votecount. I'm either dead or I'm not and

this ends tonight

.

[Tierce]

If he ignores the conversation

/ creates a bullshit read (regardless of what said read is)

Town-Tierce is going to take notice of that fact.

No, she wouldn't. Because it was pre-game, before roles were assigned, he had absolutely no need to refer back to it and it would be silly for me to harp on him for it. Hell, he knows how I feel about game integrity more than most players here--and the logic of his townread on me makes me feel slightly queasy because it makes me obvtown to him in a way that doesn't have much to do with the game thread.

I've been over this. Rehashing this is pointless; go read my posts. I stand by this townread.

[Tierce]

@Tierce: If OS is faking the dayvig, would your town read on him change?

Don't know. Don't particularly care to figure out atm. I'll cross that bridge if/when I'm alive. Why are people insisting on me to figure out stuff that requires the dayvig to be fake? I'll be alive then, I'd rather focus on 'right now' stuff before Vi cuts me off.

And I was being useful even while raging; I've been posting reads. Yes, I'm angry because I was apparently vigged D1 because of a DELIBERATE META CHANGE, when everything I was doing pointed to a protown mindset and a role that would be useful for town. I don't care how annoying you think it is when I call myself obvtown. Deal with it. If the dayvig is true, I'll forcibly shut up by the next VC and you'll have one less vote on you.


Kats--Leaning scum on Typo Incarnate. I don't know if it's their style or whatever it is; I know that MoI has a tendency to argue just to argue even as town and it grinds my gears. They seem to be poking at irrelevant stuff that I'd expect them, as a functional hydra, to work out between them and not bother posting because it does not feel indicative of alignment of the person they are questioning.

And I'm missing the quote strip battles, but I don't know if that's Magua's effect on trying to keep them to a minimum.


PEdit: GREY. EYES ON THE PRIZE. LET'S EAT THE TOAST FOR GALLOWSDINNER.

[Tierce]

Just ISO'd OS.

If that vig is true then I'd be fine with stringing him up looks terrible.

Tierce whats your read on magnamagua? I don't like the one post of theirs I see already.

Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

Fucking die ScumKats

Kats would also lynch UN.

I can sympathize with this attitude.

Kats is actually looking at the more recent stuff and trying to make up his mind.

ScumKats would continue sheeping without bothering to give further analysis.

Back off Grey I mean seriously look at things Kats is actually playing ball here.

[Tierce]

...The fuck?

Okay, apparently this is MoI. Let's play.

Dude, how many times have I claimed

during this game

that I read a lot of games? This is not a lie, and I can point you to a handful of players in and out of the game who will confirm this fact. I can discuss, in varying levels of depth, games that ended years ago. Even today I was going over MoCO and Andrius's LotR-Isengard Mafia with Faraday. I've read far more games than I've played.

If I make a statement about your meta, I'm not talking about any games we've had together, because they don't exist. However, I can look at Town MoI in several games and see how he behaves toward other players--I don't need to be in the game to get a response to your behavior in an emotional level.

Btw, Magua could tell you how I read games since he modded me in Paranoia and there is plenty of evidence there of me reading other games.


Seriously, I don't get you at all, MoI. It's either Burden of Proficiency or YOU DON'T KNOOOOW MEEE. I'm not blind and deaf and locked in my own games. Unlike you, who apparently never read a completed game of mine, I've read you as town and as scum and the personality is grating regardless of alignment.

But again, trust you to lash out at me on the bit where I was commenting on a personality tell instead of an alignment tell.


Can has spite? Please? Toasty, what do you think of Typo Incarnate?

[Tierce]

And I'm missing the quote

strip

battles

Well

that

would certainly make Mafia an interesting game.

>.>
<.<

[Tierce]

Oh btw, if this vig ends the day, consider stringing up Oversoul after all.

He deserves it, too.

PEdit:
I've seen scumKats playing ball with otherscumFate without hiding at all. It's not a reliable tell.
Also don't trust Fatetown to ever read Kats right.

Kats is not the play today. You're never going to get enough content out of him by D1 to make it worth lynching him--even if he flips scum, we have nada when it comes to relational tells. Kats, even scumKats, can wait for later times.

[Tierce]

Fuck you, Oversoul. Really.

I am completely drunk.Going for a walk. If I vanish, blame Faraday.

Typing is hard.

[Tierce]

o0h god

after walk

still too drunk for this

no seriously fuck you oversoul

glork can has masonry so i'll bitch out oversoul for 72h or however long night is? please?

anyway going downstairs for a while longer let's see if I sober up some

[Tierce]

Honestly, it seems like half of you were happier with Tierce dying. Like what the hell is that?

FUCK YOU

NAMES AND POSTS

NOW


The only person who really commented on this was Alchemist and it was just "lol I would vig within 5 pages I am totally Fritzler" mode.

[Tierce]

Hindu are you even readin what I am saying? I just gave you two fucking examples of me gambiting.

Main reasons for gambit - I was very suspicious of Tierce's claim right after Glroks. It looked like Tierce was trying to get Glrok to trust her by buddying him.

Tierces play as I said looked very suspicious given the similarities between Paranoia and here

SO LET'S FAKECLAIM A DAYVIG AND OUT POTENTIAL OSCAR/BOYD

INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TIERCE WITH MORE POSTS

LET'S ADD A FUCKING DISTRACTION AND DISTRESS PEOPLE OVER NOTHING

YEAH THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE

ARE YOU SCUM OR ARE YOU JUST THIS DENSE

SERIOUSLY AT THIS STAGE I AM JUST BETRAYING THE LEFT-SHIFT BROTHERHOOD AND USING ALLOUT CAPSLOCK

SO MUCH RAGE

ALSO FUCK YOU

[Tierce]

He outed town roles for zero reason and has yet to provide a shred of insight or analysis from his "gabmit," and his vote is still on Tierce, who is 100% confirmed town at this point.

Even on the off-chance that this was a towngambit, Oversoul is clearly terrible enough to need to die. My vote isn't moving. Ever. In fact, I might just refuse to post any content whatsoever until he dies.

What? How did he out people? All he did was fake a dayvig on someone who already claimed, and then people were stupid enough to say "OMG BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR ROLF U MESSED IT ALL UP" or whatever. your fault, not his.
And no, Tierce is not 100% confirmed town. I don't see her name in green anywhere, or Vi coming out with a message saying "Tierce is now an innocent child!"

BITE ME.

Glork claimed Oscar/Boyd and that he's looking for his brothers. I claimed before he even did. I do not know the flavor. In what earth do you think I'm making up this stuff? Do you think I have a fakeclaim that is going to depend on someone else claiming a role that matches mine? How does that even make sense?

Hint: I'm protown. This whole claim business should make that ridiculously clear given the order in which it evolved. Unless you have some wild reasoning that Glork is my scumbuddy protecting me for some bullshit reason, you should be accepting us both as town. Done, over and out.


PEdit: Oh whatever. Ignore the above then. I STILL WANT MY BITCHFEST MASONRY.

[Tierce]

What did I miss? Oversoul was the one who fakeclaimed Ike by using Aether. How is he jumping on an Ikelynch? Did someone claim Ike while I blinked?

Nevermind.

Oh that's another one, Oversoul, you could have outed Ike. Screw you.

[Tierce]

White rage.

I did say I was going to go downstairs, right? Let me use my Irish rantbuddy to see if I calm down.

[Tierce]

Still pissed off
still angry
still somewhat drunk
rather sleepy

Will attempt to be rational tomorrow.

But HATE.

[Tierce]

No no no no

If I can do it, so can you.

Come on, we braved Blood Bowl Mafia together. This is a Vi setup. Should be fun. We can be brave and obvtown together and I'll still be your Gobbie.

[Tierce]

Very good timing for a Boyd pic.


Kats, you really can't read GreyICE worth shit. See Destiny Mafia, for example.

I am very curious what is this GreyICE wagon.

The problem with this game is that there are too many people affecting votes right now. I'd love to see what the hell is causing these flash mini-wagons, but without flips, etc. They seem to be pushed by different people every time, so I think it's more of a case of too-many-town-leaders than scum-is-nervous-about-main-wagons.

That said, why aren't the larger wagons being pushed further if they are on town?

[Tierce]

"LOL Tierce is not conftown let's stick to a useless vote in which I'll never get 14 people to wagon her with me today."

Why are you still voting me, Toast? It's pretty obv you're not going to get me lynched today. Besides the incredibly town reaction I had, you'd need 50% of the game voting me, which is not happening any time soon when everyone but you is calling me town. G'luck with that.


OTOH, his vote is definitely not survivalistic.


Blegh. I need a paradigm shift in this game, so will reread. I also need a cattle gun between UberNinja's eyes, but that's repeating the obvious.

[Tierce]

You can party harder than that poor, vaguely meandering wagon, Gamma. That behavior suits a good chunk of the current game.

[Tierce]

I also think that Katsuki is town. Kats doesn't like playing scum. I really, really don't think he'd start playing after Vi had already started looking for a replacement if he had received a scum role PM.

This is ridiculously good.

Both for Nikanortown and Katstown.

[Tierce]

- Faraday

Is this magua or Magna?

ObvtrollMagua (<3). And they like causing confusion even when they are town--you should know this; weren't you in Good v. Evil?

Besides the

incredibly town

reaction I had, you'd need 50% of the game voting me, which is not happening any time soon when everyone but you is calling me town.

Bolded is incredibly annoying for me.

While it's probably true atm I find little to no town motivation to be brandying this fact about.

I think I've said already I don't care if it annoys people. I feel a need to drive that in and write it in Oversoul's blood. It's cathartic.

(Welcome to my town games. I'm obnoxious about being town.)


Good luck.

[Tierce]

I've already told you to shut up and sheep Glork, right?

Because honestly, if you think following UberNinja's dictates is a good choice that is sure to help town, again I throw my hands up in the air sometimes, etc.

[Tierce]

Hold it.

Nikanor, where did you get the impression that Katsuki hates playing scum?

[Tierce]

Katsuki

does

like playing scum. I thought Nik was right about this for some inane reason, but--that whole reasoning is flawed, Kats likes being a conniving bastard.

[Tierce]

Etc.

(Look it up.)

[Tierce]

Hold it.

Nikanor, where did you get the impression that Katsuki hates playing scum?

GoofBash.
Although that may have been more a factor of him always getting lynched d1 at GoofBash. >_>
Oh and the game where he was mod-confirmed scum d1. Good times.

I believe your results are outdated. Townpoints for you for the way you've reached this reasoning, but that doesn't make Kats town.

[Tierce]

And I wanna vote Shmug for that post. More often than not when someone feels the need to comment on every single player in a large game on day one, they are scum trying too hard.

Meet Shmu.

Did exactly the same as town in MLP.


Not really caught up, super skimming, will be back in Lisbon today.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: ToastyToast
Though I want to know what about my reaction to the fakevig you found so damning.


VOTE: MaguaofIllusion
Choo choo.

[Tierce]

So, 7 minutes after being called out for not posting, LLD finds the thread and claims mafia.

Explain.

[Tierce]

I don't.

LLD ragefits regardless of alignment. She vanished for days at a time in Destiny Mafia, as a VT, claiming to be extremely pissed off with the game and players and having no patience to play the plan as SpyreX had outlined it because town was pussyfooting about. She catraged in Warlocks and Werewolves as town, on D1.

This is not new. It ain't a scumtell.

[Tierce]

You rely far far far too much on meta Tierce. And what's a little amusing is that you still had me as scum a couple days ago after Regfan pointed out why by meta reasoning I'm not. If you're going to base all of your reads on meta and expect others to follow suit, you should at least respect it when someone else tells you what is likely of someone else's behavior.

I am not relying overmuch on meta. I do have my meta reads, and I read enough games to have a general view on how A and B are likely to react in a certain situation. (Obv not everyone and obv not every situation, but a general gist of patterns.) You were picking at a pattern of behavior that I know not to be reliable as a scum trait from LLD. If you have other reasoning, fine, but I am not about to let her be voted on what amounts to a personality tell.

When LLD says she IS trying to read the game and finds no motivation to post, calling her out on posting at the right time seems a bit of a stretch. If she's following the thread, that's what she'll do.


I'd assume multiscum/multiple NK aspects, actually. Otherwise we'll be here for ages.

PEdit: Where was it implied such?

[Tierce]

You're talking with Magua, not Magna, chickadee. Note the lack of ellipsis with spaces before and after and the much more amicable, tongue-in-cheek tone.

(At least, I reckon you think you are speaking with Magna, due to "your other head" + "MoI".)

[Tierce]

Tammy, please link me to your other games.

[Tierce]

@Tierce:

You're the reason I can't have

nice things

fun.

Oh, almost forgot to sign my post.

-Tierce

FWIW, you being a charismatic bastard makes having you around way too much fun and I am having trouble with this scumread just because I like you. (Ohnoes, Toast! What will we do, I like a player's style!)
Please to be telling MoI to come back and resume the Attitude. It's much easier to have SPITE that way.

Wheeee awake for 24h getting on a plane back later toodles.

-Magua


PS--Toast, Glork's claim is not

necessarily

tied to mine. I don't think you're paying much attention to his later posts.
Oversoul is totally Ike and needs to be targeted by scum, though.

[Tierce]

Tammy, please link me to your other games.

I only have two completed games here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21408 and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21344

Not what I'm looking for, ma'am. Feel like linking your Westeros games? I know they are alt'd, but inquiring minds.

[Tierce]

Disagree vehemently.

FoS: Grey

Uh, Glork, if there's one scum team, even if there's 6 scum in it, its 8 mislynches to LyLo (we seriously have 29 dear lord). More realistically, regardless of the outcome, 10+ days seems highly likely.

There's a reason two scum teams and a vig is standard for large games, and this being a Vi game I can't imagine it will be light on kills. You really think we're going to whittle down the scumteam for like a dozen days here?

Nah, there's gonna be multiple antitown factions. Look how many people are vaguely scumhunting but mostly keeping their head down. Some of them are scum who don't feel like getting cross killed.

Dude, look at the posted scum wincon.

They don't have to kill all of us.

We don't know how many days to LyLo it is, because we don't know who they have to kill.



...that damnable blue number. CANNOT UNSEE.

[Tierce]

You've still yet to see Fate SCUM.

Weather Mafia 2?

I replaced in to a dying scumteam, so that didn't really count. And even THEN Tierce was eating out of my hands so much that people that she was my buddy for awhile hueHUE?

If by people you mean Amrun--look, I can't help you there. You're also talking about the first time I played with you as scum, and since then there has been some frantic reading, etc.

Anyway--what's your problem with my townread on you, other than "HUEHUE Tierce you can't read me" when I have

actually

shown I could read you right (admittedly, from a small pool of players)?

AFAICT, you're not buddying up to anyone so far. You're actually considering your reads instead of just going turbolynch on someone. I could blame that on Nuwen's influence, but I know she gives no fucks about D1 in a game this size, so you're taking the wheel--and you're being rational. It's a townFate behavior.

[Tierce]

[spoiler=Spoiler title]spoilered text[/spoiler]

[Tierce]

Toast--see my remark about Glork, his role, mine. Cut that !!special!! from that list and make up your mind.

[Tierce]

Tierce - Why do you care that Toasty has you down as special? Toasty is one person out of 29. You are no way, no how getting lynched. He's not even calling out trying to convince anyone that you're scum. This should be the last thing you should be focusing on/commenting on right now. Besides, I can sympathize with Toasty here because by logic I have you down as town, but there's a nagging feeling that keeps telling me my logic is wrong.

Because the way his reads evolve on conftown-FMPOV are one of the ways I read him? This seems kind of obvious.

[Tierce]

Good joke coming from you, when you seem to take offense at people calling you scum.

I'm not looking for Toasty to call me town. His read on me was dependent on Glork's claim, and it has been stated in-thread that Glork's claim is not necessarily tied to mine. I want to know Toasty's conclusions, because his read on me is important for my read on him. I don't care if you tell me to stop--I want to hear what he has to say. I know I'm not confirmed, so where did that come from?

Perhaps you have noticed I'm not voting him. There is a wagon on ToastyToast and I want to analyze him, so stop acting like I don't have the right to have my questions to him answered.

[Tierce]

You said that the way his reads evolve on conftown - I thought you were referring to yourself with the conftown. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Well...sure I hate being called scum when I'm not and don't deal well with too much suspicion. I'm getting better about it though. I don't necessarily take offense at people calling me scum...always. Especially not when the majority of a town has me as town. If one or two have me as scum on their reads list, it's not something I pay attention to, if they're aren't pushing for it. In fact, after getting killed early in several games and being up for getting killed early in several others, I prefer not to be on everyone's strong town list. A little suspicion can help to keep you alive; I like staying alive.

What I mostly take offense at is when people say I'm doing something I'm not doing. I've had people call me scum before and not taken offense when their suspicions seemed legitimate and genuine.

I never said you were voting him nor did I say you didn't have a right to have your questions answered. You didn't ask him a question though. You told him to see a remark about Glork and your role and to cut that special out of his list. It looks like you focusing too much on his thoughts about you, which is weird, considering that he's provided a bit more content that you could be able to question him about if you were trying to evaluate him.

"conftown-FMPOV" = "conftown from my point of view". I'm conftown to myself, but I don't expect to be so to anyone else at this stage. That is what I meant.

The 'question' was implied. Just because it doesn't have a question mark doesn't mean I'm not asking a question. I am wondering what ToastyToast thinks of me now that Glork's role may not be tied to mine, and why my reaction to Oversoul was scummy from his PoV:

UNVOTE: ToastyToast
Though I want to know what about my reaction to the fakevig you found so damning.

Toast, Glork's claim is not

necessarily

tied to mine. I don't think you're paying much attention to his later posts.

Toast--see my remark about Glork, his role, mine. Cut that !!special!! from that list and make up your mind.

Just because he has provided other content doesn't mean I should let a read on a false/outdated premise stand by, especially since he's rolling Glork and me together with that read.

[Tierce]

I disliked the fakevig reaction because 1)I thought it was unecessarily overaggressive 2) seemed like a poor sport, which I associate with upset scum over upset town 3)the whole obvtown thing spiked up here. In other games I have been in, a fakevig may piss town off, but not to the point of bullying or loss of all logic.

I kind of want to point you to Vi's Team Mafia game, in which I was part of a role:

Unleash Tierce

- Target player will be manipulated into targeting the player of your choice; or, if you know the name of one of your target's abilities, you can make them use THAT on the target of your choice. This ability will fail entirely if your target does not have the Faith to Cast the ability you want them to use.

/plug

I mean, Vi has told me this is more due to wanting to give me a consolation prize for not being in Team Mafia than for anything related to me in particular, but it's still pretty accurate. I'll bully and hound and rage and get my scumreads lynched when I really believe them, so I don't really know why you expect me to be mellow when I believed I was playing a frigging obvtown game and someone had shot me D1. Being obvtown tends to be one of my main strengths as town.


Anyway--thanks for answering. Pretty much settles you as town.

Soooo I have to reread that wagon for opportunistic scum yay funtimes.

[Tierce]

Will you people stop letting Magua troll you?

He has been scum in games. He's going to continue denying this. That is not alignment-relevant.

Sheesh, wtf. Are you lot blind to obvtrolling?

(And no, you can't have nice things/fun, Faramina.)

[Tierce]

He's right, I just translated it.

http://serenesforest.net/fe10/ancient.html

[Tierce]

Cycle != day.

Notice that we are still on D1.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: MaguaofIllusion

It's far too late in the evening for me to be worrying about this. -_-

[Tierce]

I do not believe attempting to sort out the blue number issue will be something we can definitely do today. We need a night to see if it resets or not, and then draw conclusions from that.

In the meantime, using time on this stuff instead of actually pushing for a lynch when it's rather evident that THAT is an urgent business? Bad idea.


PEdit: No. No name claim for obv reasons.

[Tierce]

Yeah if that is going to be the extent of your contribution to the game since page whatever, a little bird tells me it's not going to be any better in the future when we have D2 and 100 pages. ._.

VOTE: Quilford

[Tierce]

Sure I am, Quil. And you're not voting me because? Do you think that L-13 wagon on Toasty is going anywhere?

Unofficial Votecount:

Quilford (L-5) ~ Alchemist, Glork, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey, implosion, Wyrd, danakillsu, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce
implosion (L-8) ~ Duplicity, ToastyToast, Nikanor, GreyICE, Hinduragi, MaguaofIllusion, Tammy
MaguaofIllusion (L-12) ~ Katsuki, Oman, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-13) ~ Haze, Quilford
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos,
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Shmugen

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

an alien horror prophecy of some sort

PEdit: @Tammy--didn't do it. Every time I look at how bloated this thread is, I realize I need one or more flips before I feel like actually moving. I've been busy doing ~outside stuff~ and my motivation for mafia has rounded the whereabouts of none to negative twenty.

To elaborate more on Quil--I've seen Quil motivated. It isn't particularly common, in truth, and if he's not motivated I don't really believe we can expect him to be more than a lurky weight throughout the game. I expect him to flip town, but he's nowhere close to my top townreads. Refer back to FIRE AND HATE mode.


PEdit2: 'xactly.

[Tierce]

@Alchemist: That 17 is dark and full of terrors.


@Quilford: Huh, you're not even voting me to begin with, you're voting ToastyToast, so where is this "I'm voting Tierce" coming from...?

My justification for my vote on you is: "I think you're likely to flip town, I'm pretty sure you're useless anyway, refer to not-giving-two-damns-about-defending-shit-town, you can eat rope."

[Tierce]

You clearly missed the point in which I don't particularly care if you flip town, Quil. You're a dead weight, you've claimed VT, I don't particularly care for your play so far, your lynch gives me Tasty Wagons for analysis. If you don't have the time nor the willingness to deal with the way large games grow on early days and participate/keep up, what's the point in signing up for them? I'll take your lynch, use it for info, and if you flip town I will carry your banner onward, brother. (If you're scum, I might deface your corpse a bit.)

So up to those rafters with you.


And no, you said you

are

voting me, when you... aren't:

I'm not voting Tierce because of a lack of contribution. I'm voting her because of how she justified her vote on me.

Not to mention the fact that you're calling me scum and in the same breathe want me to back off as if I were town, which is... whut, where does that logic come from.


Pssshhh I don't really think he's scum but claiming vanilla early as scum is totes feasible.

[Tierce]

Actually Tierce that makes sense. I just remembered that you originally signed up to be a replacement because of the size of the player list and wanted to wait until it had whittled down a bit.

It wasn't actually the size of the playerlist per se. I was being polite

it's pretty obvious there are people here I don't like

and trying not to overwhelm myself, especially when I thought this might start early during Scumburgh. But then

certain

people signed up too and I wanted to playyyy.

[Tierce]

@Tammy: Christ, if you still have some kind of nagging feeling I'm scum, you have too much respect for my poor unfortunate scum play.

But I didn't really get the point of your previous post. What is the 'that' that makes sense?


PEdit: Oh Nikanor. We could talk about this for hours on MD. I've been of your mind in this, promise. (See: white knight thing.) But it's D1, this playerlist is huge. If he flips scum, great. If he flips town, it's not the end of the world and we have Tasty Tasty Analysis to perform in subsequent days.

[Tierce]

*eyebrow*

You have a "confirmable town power role"... and you choose to fakeclaim VT? On D1? I don't criticize you for leaving for a while after that (guess what Shmu people have lives and that was some scummy shit), but jesus, if you are telling the truth, that is utterly terrible.

No added info? None whatsoever? Name, country, anything that might not come up in your flip? Nothing about what discussions you've had so far? I understand being apathetic to a certain point, and that neither of you are particularly active, but still--if you're not using the QT for discussing your reads, what exactly have you doing for two weeks?

Yeah I don't really believe that claim.

[Tierce]

Forgive me for being logical.

[Tierce]

PARTY HARD

ALL THE TIME

[Tierce]

So. No blue number reset, and that's probably a vig.

No magical triangular fireworks last night.

Number increased twice from Quil's death to implosion's, then thrice from implosion's to Wyrd's? The hell?

And from the flavor of the kills, I suspect it's very viable that Oversoul was indeed killed, not killed on a timer.

So many delicious delicious flips. Brb dissecting VC formatting.

[Tierce]

By the way, the blue number is not only increasing in count, it is also increasing in dimension. It start at 140, at

Wyrd

's death it was 190.
Something else: the blue number only increases in full vote counts, not in mini vote counts. Might be relevant.

And I still did not get my Nuwen game. You bastards.

Mini Vote Count:

Tammy (L-8) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi, UberNinja, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Oman, Glork

Quilford

(L-13) ~ Alchemist, Duplicity
Tierce (L-13) ~

Quilford

, Tammy
dramonic (L-14) ~ danakillsu

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Alchemist (L-14) ~ Shmugen
Hinduragi (L-14) ~ Avenging Angel
danakillsu (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

implosion

, Katsuki, Lady Lambdadelta, MaguaofIllusion, Nexus, Nikanor,

Oversoul

, GreyICE, singersigner, ToastyToast, Tierce

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Vote Count I:

Tammy (L-8) ~ Magister Ludi, dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
UberNinja (L-10) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Glork, Nikanor, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
Hinduragi (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel, danakillsu

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Alchemist (L-14) ~ Shmugen
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi

implosion

(L-14) ~ Duplicity

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, Nexus,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Mini Vote Count:

Tammy (L-9) ~ dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Alchemist (L-12) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi
Hinduragi (L-13) ~ danakillsu, Glork

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi

implosion

(L-14) ~ Duplicity
ToastyToast (L-14) ~ Avenging Angel

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, Nexus,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Vote Count II:

Tammy (L-9) ~ dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-10) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus, Glork
Tierce (L-12) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
ToastyToast (L-12) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ Alchemist,

Wyrd

Hinduragi (L-14) ~ danakillsu
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Katsuki (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

2

Mini Vote Count:

ToastyToast (L-8) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Alchemist (L-11) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion,

Oversoul

Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~

Wyrd

Hinduragi (L-14) ~ danakillsu
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Glork (L-14) ~ Alchemist
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

2

Vote Count III:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

Alchemist (L-11) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Glork (L-14) ~ Alchemist
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
SpyreX (L-14) ~ MaguaofIllusion

Not Voting:

Katsuki, GreyICE,

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Mini Vote Count (4):

ToastyToast (L-6) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

, GreyICE, Hinduragi
Alchemist (L-11) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Magister Ludi (L-11) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, Alchemist
Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
SpyreX (L-14) ~ MaguaofIllusion

Not Voting:

Katsuki,

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Mini Vote Count (5):

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

, Hinduragi
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, Alchemist, MaguaofIllusion
Alchemist (L-11) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tammy (L-13) ~ dramonic, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Katsuki
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Not Voting:

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Vote Count IV:

ToastyToast (L-9) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
Alchemist (L-11) ~ Shmugen, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE,

Oversoul

Oversoul

(L-13) ~ Hinduragi, Katsuki
Tammy (L-13) ~ dramonic, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
GreyICE (L-14) ~ Oman
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

5

Mini Vote Count (6):

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki
Alchemist (L-12) ~ Shmugen, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE,

Oversoul

UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
dramonic (L-13) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tammy (L-14) ~ singersigner
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

5

Vote Count V:

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki
Alchemist (L-12) ~ Shmugen, Magister Ludi, Nexus
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
dramonic (L-13) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tammy (L-14) ~ singersigner
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

6

Mini Vote Count (7):

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

, Shmugen, singersigner

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

6

Vote Count Vi:

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~ Shmugen

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

, singersigner

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

8

Mini Vote Count (8):

GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

MaguaofIllusion (L-11) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~ Shmugen
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast

Not Voting:

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

8

Vote Count VII:

ToastyToast (L-6) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

, Gammagooey,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor Katsuki, danakillsu
MaguaofIllusion (L-11) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~ Shmugen
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast

Not Voting:

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

9

Vote Count VIII:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Shmugen
MaguaofIllusion (L-9) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Katsuki
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist

implosion

(L-13) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu
UberNinja (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Not Voting:

Nexus

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

11

Ominous flavor text was here.

Vote Count IX:

MaguaofIllusion (L-7) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki
ToastyToast (L-8) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Shmugen
GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Nikanor
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist

implosion

(L-13) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

12

Vote Count X:

MaguaofIllusion (L-7) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki
ToastyToast (L-9) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Nikanor
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Oman (L-14) ~ UberNinja

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

14

Vote Count XI:

MaguaofIllusion (L-4) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

15

Vote Count XII:

MaguaofIllusion (L-3) ~ Tammy, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja, Alchemist, Magister Ludi
ToastyToast (L-11) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

, Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Oversoul

's death.

Vote Count XIII:

MaguaofIllusion (L-3) ~ Tammy, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja, Alchemist, Magister Ludi
ToastyToast (L-11) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

, Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork

--With

29

28

alive, it (still) takes 15 to lynch.

17

Mini Vote Count (9):

MaguaofIllusion (L-6) ~ Tammy, singersigner, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja, Shmugen

implosion

(L-9) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, ToastyToast, Nikanor, GreyICE, Hinduragi
ToastyToast (L-12) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
GreyICE (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork, Tierce

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Mini Vote Count (10):

Quilford

(L-4) ~ Alchemist, Glork, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey,

implosion

,

Wyrd

, danakillsu, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce, Teleporting Speed Hippos

implosion

(L-8) ~ Duplicity, ToastyToast, Nikanor, GreyICE, Hinduragi, MaguaofIllusion, Tammy
MaguaofIllusion (L-12) ~ Katsuki, Oman, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Shmugen

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Vote Count XIV:

Quilford

(LYNCH) ~ Alchemist, Glork, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey,

implosion

,

Wyrd

, danakillsu, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Tammy, GreyICE, Magister Ludi, Hinduragi

implosion

(L-10) ~ Duplicity, ToastyToast, Nikanor, MaguaofIllusion, Lady Lambdadelta
MaguaofIllusion (L-12) ~ Katsuki, Oman, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Shmugen

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

18

Willing to call ToastyToast town for now, enhanced by that hop on his wagon at L-7 from implosion. When the wagon started falling apart, he skipped over to dramonic--I have to check the reasoning later. Back to ToastyToast for L-9--hardly surprising, more Toastytown.

I'll have to parse Wyrd for power tells that might explain their death, but my soul urges me to vote Ludi in memoriam~

VOTE: Magister Ludi

[Tierce]

Hai guys.

Hai.

Can we stop the flow of idiocy now?

Full claim since I don't know what this will flip like: my role looks pretty similar to Lucius's PM on p1, making me a VT/someone with powers I don't know of.

The role coloring makes me Crimean

(which lines up with Rolf's origins).

The Laguz Alliance Army

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

The Factions of Tellius: In the Year 649 of the Goddess

Crimea

- Presently ruled by the kind Queen Elincia and administered from horseback by her Royal Knights, the northwestern country of Crimea was wrested from Daein control three years ago. Upon the public return of Apostle Sanaki, Elincia brokered the treaty that formed the alliance of the Apostle's Army in exchange for promises of heavy concessions from Sanaki's native Begnion. The Crimean people were initially mistrusting of entering an alliance with Gallia and its beastmen, but the debt they owe to the Gallians for helping rebuild their country forces them to put their qualms to the side. Aside from that, this is another chance to take revenge on Daein, for which there is no lost love.

The Greil Mercenaries are centered in Crimea.

Their leader, Ike, is considered the hero of the Mad King's War.

[snip]

Gallia

- A densely forested nation to the west claimed by the beast tribes. Lion King Caineghis ordered his hotheaded nephew Skrimir to take command of the Gallian Army in hopes that the campaign against Begnion would be a proving ground for his leadership abilities. However, once the initial assault went awry, Skrimir and his legions of cats and tigers took deep losses as the Central Army very nearly crushed them within their own country's borders. Gallia makes up the major portion of the Laguz Alliance Army.

Phoenicis

- A craggy island nation south of Tellius ruled by the proud Hawk King Tibarn. Claiming kinship with the massacred Heron clan of Serenes, Tibarn and his avian allies joined the Gallian Army to form the Laguz Alliance. However, while the contingent of the Hawks' fighting corps was away, the ravens of Kilvas - in implicit complicity with Begnion - slaughtered every man who stayed behind at Phoenicis. The remaining Hawks have no place to go now but to the Apostle's Army, where they are ready to serve revenge cold.

Kilvas

- An even craggier island nation just east of Phoenicis. The Raven clan resides here, presided over by the cunning and historically disloyal King Naesala. Initially, he joined forces with the Laguz Alliance with the Hawks, but seized a critical opportunity to massacre the Hawk tribe instead in order to curry favor with Begnion. Since then, the Ravens and their scheming King have been lying low - probably a good thing for their own sakes. The Ravens are well-known for acting as mercenaries wherever there is a profit to be made, though...

The Laguz Alliance army consists of the combined might of Gallia, Phoenicis, and Kilvas - minus Kilvas now that they've done a face heel turn.

Vi even stated explicitly that our PMs didn't have town/scum expressed in them, and if you look at the example PM on the first page (and possibly your own PM), you should be completely fine with a role not talking about nations explicitly. Pushing on this is fuckin' sketchy.

FOS: MaguaofIllusion

DDDP is likely town.

[Tierce]

SpyreX, why weren't you surprised at the color of the non-implosion flips?

Shoulda brought more priests, or some babies:

19. Oversoul - Leanne, Innocent Princess of

Serenes

,

Apostle's Army

- Collapsed Day 1.
20. Quilford - Tanith, Demoness Guardian of

Begnion

,

Apostle's Army

- Plummeted Day 1.
10. implosion - Laura, Ordinary Cleric of

Daein

,

Daein Resistance

- Annihilated Night 1!
28. Wyrd (Fate + Nuwen hydra) - Kieran, Patriot Paladin of

Crimea

,

Apostle's Army

- Exploded Night 1.

Also, looking at this, I find it perfectly possible that Vi has a country cop (because it's Vi--straight cops are almost non-existent in Vi games). Wouldn't be surprised to see false positives and negatives, as I very much doubt that all the scum will be from

Daein

itself--they might all be from the

Daein Resistance

, but alliances, traitors to either side and whatnot.


PEdit: Yeah and everyone knows that Oscar/Boyd is the 'leader of a nation'. Come on, Glork.



PEdit: Oooooh there's that delightful Attitude. Please to be going back to vacation kthxbai.
No, MoI. There is absolutely no mention of a nation in that PM related to the role itself. There is a sponsor's nation, and there's the modnote. It does not mean that you should immediately think that it says "Lucius is from Etruria". It's in the

color

, I had already made it clear that my own role does not have an explicit nation, and you jumped on SpyreX for not having it. You might be basing things off your own PM, fine, but the assumption is still out of place.

[Tierce]

No, MoI. There is absolutely no mention of a nation in that PM related to the role itself.

So what? I never said anything about that sort of thing at all. Are you purposefully mis-reading my posts? It clear as fucking day says in the sample PM what nation that character is from. You even show I'm right in your response. So what exactly is your point? All I asked is what nation Spyrex was from. He derped it up and said "I don't have one" when low and behold he does.

No, it does not say where the token-character-Lucius is from. This is nitpicking--it says where his

sponsor

is from, Etruria. Lucius's own nation is implicit via the color of his name (light blue means Etruria).

What I'm saying is that your suspicion of SpyreX over this is unbased. I'm a townread of yours--and I have no explicit nation. Suspecting SpyreX because his role says "

CHARACTER NAME HERE

, of the Laguz Alliance Army" is out of place because

my own role does not say I'm Crimean

. It's in the color:

Gallia

,

Crimea

.

tl;dr:

If you suspect SpyreX for something else, fine. But this makes no sense, I am perfectly capable of believing that his role PM does not have any explicit reference to Gallia.


PEdit: Scumrex is Spyrex-scum.

[Tierce]

Huh no. You are not abusing my "I really haven't read yet and it will still not happen today" vote. Everything in its due time.

UNVOTE: Magister Ludi


Alchemist, Hinduragi was replying to Lady Lambdadelta.

[Tierce]

Welcome to the typical Vi-joke role.

In Tiger MetaTiger, it was me with two unknown actions that didn't actually do anything. I don't even think they were false positives, just a way to keep me entertained throughout the night. In Mafia with the Kitties, there was a suicidal watcher--he could watch a player, but would suicide in the process. No, the results were not broadcast or transmitted to anyone else.

At least yours has some remote possibility of use.

[Tierce]

Shameless prod-dodge.

Been doing outside stuff and can't be bothered to actually read instead of skimskimskim. Need to fix that soon, but won't be today, so.

[Tierce]

Ahem. Those of us who are tired and going to sleep before addressing this tomorrow would like to make a request:

Cut the spam and fluff. P-certain that blue number of doom will bite us in the ass if you continue making that kind of posts. Save them for the respective threads outside the game thread.

And yes, I know this post amounts to no game content. Obvtown asking you very nicely to not add to the mess, please and thank you. If you don't have anything to say that's related to the game, don't say anything. Not in this game, not with this funky unknown mechanic.

[Tierce]

Nikanor is town for Shmugen's reaction to that silly gambit.

I'm going to party hard at that kill and return to sleep. More later.

[Tierce]

VOTE: Nexus

UberNinja, seriously, cut the fluff. I don't care if you think you're being helpful in some manner by attracting attention to yourself. Don't. You don't know how to deal with pressure as town, and this game is bigger than just you. Don't be a distraction. We don't care how much you miss the people at SoL or how good you are at playing with them at FtF. Cut it in this thread, the blue number mechanic is likely not to deal well with those shenanigans. Vi games are too unforgiving for that.

[Tierce]

Spoiler: D1 vote counts

Mini Vote Count:

Tammy (L-8) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi, UberNinja, Debonair Danny DiPietro, dramonic, Oman, Glork

Quilford

(L-13) ~ Alchemist, Duplicity
Tierce (L-13) ~

Quilford

, Tammy
dramonic (L-14) ~ danakillsu

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Alchemist (L-14) ~

Shmugen

Hinduragi (L-14) ~ Avenging Angel
danakillsu (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

implosion

, Katsuki, Lady Lambdadelta, MaguaofIllusion, Nexus, Nikanor,

Oversoul

, GreyICE, singersigner, ToastyToast, Tierce

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Vote Count I:

Tammy (L-8) ~ Magister Ludi, dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
UberNinja (L-10) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Glork, Nikanor, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
Hinduragi (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel, danakillsu

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Alchemist (L-14) ~

Shmugen

Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi

implosion

(L-14) ~ Duplicity

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, Nexus,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Mini Vote Count:

Tammy (L-9) ~ dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Alchemist (L-12) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi
Hinduragi (L-13) ~ danakillsu, Glork

Wyrd

(L-14) ~

Wyrd

Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi

implosion

(L-14) ~ Duplicity
ToastyToast (L-14) ~ Avenging Angel

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, Nexus,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

0

Vote Count II:

Tammy (L-9) ~ dramonic, Oman, Tierce, SpyreX, singersigner, Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-10) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus, Glork
Tierce (L-12) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
ToastyToast (L-12) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ Alchemist,

Wyrd

Hinduragi (L-14) ~ danakillsu
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Katsuki (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki,

Oversoul

, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

2

Mini Vote Count:

ToastyToast (L-8) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Alchemist (L-11) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tierce (L-11) ~

Quilford

, Tammy, MaguaofIllusion,

Oversoul

Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos, ToastyToast
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~

Wyrd

Hinduragi (L-14) ~ danakillsu
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Glork (L-14) ~ Alchemist
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

implosion

, Katsuki, GreyICE

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

2

Vote Count III:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, Duplicity, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

Alchemist (L-11) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Glork (L-14) ~ Alchemist
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
SpyreX (L-14) ~ MaguaofIllusion

Not Voting:

Katsuki, GreyICE,

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Mini Vote Count (4):

ToastyToast (L-6) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

, GreyICE, Hinduragi
Alchemist (L-11) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Magister Ludi (L-11) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, Alchemist
Tammy (L-12) ~ dramonic, Oman, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
SpyreX (L-14) ~ MaguaofIllusion

Not Voting:

Katsuki,

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Mini Vote Count (5):

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Glork, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

, Hinduragi
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, Alchemist, MaguaofIllusion
Alchemist (L-11) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Tammy (L-13) ~ dramonic, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Tierce (L-13) ~

Oversoul

, ToastyToast
GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Katsuki
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Not Voting:

Quilford

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

3

Vote Count IV:

ToastyToast (L-9) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce,

implosion

Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
Alchemist (L-11) ~

Shmugen

, Nikanor, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE,

Oversoul

Oversoul

(L-13) ~ Hinduragi, Katsuki
Tammy (L-13) ~ dramonic, singersigner
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
GreyICE (L-14) ~ Oman
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
singersigner (L-14) ~ Gammagooey
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

5

Mini Vote Count (6):

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki
Alchemist (L-12) ~

Shmugen

, Magister Ludi, Nexus
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE,

Oversoul

UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
dramonic (L-13) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tammy (L-14) ~ singersigner
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

5

Vote Count V:

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~

Wyrd

, danakillsu, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki
Alchemist (L-12) ~

Shmugen

, Magister Ludi, Nexus
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
dramonic (L-13) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tammy (L-14) ~ singersigner
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

6

Mini Vote Count (7):

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

,

Shmugen

, singersigner

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

6

Vote Count Vi:

ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Tierce
GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Tierce (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
MaguaofIllusion (L-14) ~ Tammy
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~

Shmugen

Not Voting:

Quilford

, Glork,

Oversoul

, singersigner

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

8

Mini Vote Count (8):

GreyICE (L-10) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Gammagooey, Katsuki, danakillsu
ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

MaguaofIllusion (L-11) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~

Wyrd

, Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion
dramonic (L-12) ~ Hinduragi,

implosion

, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-13) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, Teleporting Speed Hippos
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~

Shmugen

Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast

Not Voting:

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

8

Vote Count VII:

ToastyToast (L-6) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

, Gammagooey,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Oman, Nikanor Katsuki, danakillsu
MaguaofIllusion (L-11) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Duplicity, MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist
UberNinja (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Alchemist (L-14) ~ Nexus
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
singersigner (L-14) ~

Shmugen

Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast

Not Voting:

Oversoul

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

9

Vote Count VIII:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja, Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

MaguaofIllusion (L-9) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Oman, Nikanor, Katsuki
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist

implosion

(L-13) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu
UberNinja (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE

Oversoul

(L-14) ~ dramonic
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Not Voting:

Nexus

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

11

Ominous flavor text was here.

Vote Count IX:

MaguaofIllusion (L-7) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki
ToastyToast (L-8) ~ Avenging Angel, UberNinja,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Nikanor
Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ MaguaofIllusion, Alchemist

implosion

(L-13) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

12

Vote Count X:

MaguaofIllusion (L-7) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki
ToastyToast (L-9) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
GreyICE (L-13) ~ Oman, Nikanor
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Katsuki (L-14) ~ GreyICE
Avenging Angel (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Oman (L-14) ~ UberNinja

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

14

Vote Count XI:

MaguaofIllusion (L-4) ~ Tammy, Glork, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-10) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

15

Vote Count XII:

MaguaofIllusion (L-3) ~ Tammy, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja, Alchemist, Magister Ludi
ToastyToast (L-11) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

,

Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Nexus (L-14) ~

Oversoul

Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork

--With 29 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Oversoul

's death.

Vote Count XIII:

MaguaofIllusion (L-3) ~ Tammy, singersigner, Tierce, Gammagooey, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja, Alchemist, Magister Ludi
ToastyToast (L-11) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

,

Shmugen

implosion

(L-12) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, MaguaofIllusion
Katsuki (L-13) ~ GreyICE, Nikanor
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-14) ~ ToastyToast
dramonic (L-14) ~ Hinduragi
Magister Ludi (L-14) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork

--With

29

28

alive, it (still) takes 15 to lynch.

17

Mini Vote Count (9):

MaguaofIllusion (L-6) ~ Tammy, singersigner, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Katsuki, Oman,

Wyrd

, UberNinja,

Shmugen

implosion

(L-9) ~ Duplicity, danakillsu, ToastyToast, Nikanor, GreyICE, Hinduragi
ToastyToast (L-12) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

,

implosion

Magister Ludi (L-13) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion
Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Nikanor (L-14) ~ Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi
GreyICE (L-14) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic, Glork, Tierce

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Mini Vote Count (10):

Quilford

(L-4) ~ Alchemist, Glork, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey,

implosion

,

Wyrd

, danakillsu, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce, Teleporting Speed Hippos

implosion

(L-8) ~ Duplicity, ToastyToast, Nikanor, GreyICE, Hinduragi, MaguaofIllusion, Tammy
MaguaofIllusion (L-12) ~ Katsuki, Oman, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

Oman (L-14) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-14) ~ Magister Ludi

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic,

Shmugen

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

17

Vote Count XIV:

Quilford

(LYNCH) ~ Alchemist, Glork, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey,

implosion

,

Wyrd

, danakillsu, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Tammy, GreyICE, Magister Ludi, Hinduragi

implosion

(L-10) ~ Duplicity, ToastyToast, Nikanor, MaguaofIllusion, Lady Lambdadelta
MaguaofIllusion (L-12) ~ Katsuki, Oman, UberNinja
ToastyToast (L-13) ~ Avenging Angel,

Quilford

Not Voting:

Nexus, dramonic,

Shmugen

--With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch.

18

PEdit: Yes, you are. Go read Ponybash Invitational and then come back to us about Nexus scum and obvscumming it up.


Really hate this whole "Oh Oman is scum totes" with no vote commitment to it. 1) He's probtown and 2) Put your damn stance down.

[Tierce]

stop making empty posts alchemist

please

Spoiler: D2 vote counts

Mini Vote Count (11):

Magister Ludi (L-10) ~ Tierce, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Duplicity
SpyreX (L-11) ~ MaguaofIllusion, GreyICE
Alchemist (L-12) ~ UberNinja
Oman (L-12) ~ Magister Ludi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ Alchemist
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos, dramonic, Gammagooey, Glork, Avenging Angel, Hinduragi, Katsuki,

Shmugen

, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, singersigner, SpyreX, Tammy, ToastyToast, danakillsu

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

25

Mini Vote Count (12):

Magister Ludi (L-7) ~ Tierce, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Duplicity, Alchemist, Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
Alchemist (L-12) ~ UberNinja
SpyreX (L-12) ~ GreyICE
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ danakillsu

Not Voting:

dramonic, Gammagooey, Avenging Angel, Katsuki,

Shmugen

, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, singersigner, SpyreX, Tammy, ToastyToast

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

25

Vote Count XVI:

Magister Ludi (L-8) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Duplicity, Alchemist, Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
Alchemist (L-12) ~ UberNinja
SpyreX (L-12) ~ GreyICE
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ danakillsu

Not Voting:

dramonic, Gammagooey, Avenging Angel, Katsuki,

Shmugen

, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, singersigner, SpyreX, Tammy, ToastyToast, Tierce

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

26

Mini Vote Count (13):

Magister Ludi (L-7) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Duplicity, Alchemist, Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion,

Shmugen

Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
SpyreX (L-12) ~ GreyICE
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ danakillsu
Avenging Angel (L-12) ~ Gammagooey
Nexus (L-12) ~ Tammy

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Katsuki, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, singersigner, SpyreX, ToastyToast, Tierce, UberNinja

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

26

Vote Count XVII:

Micaiah
Magister Ludi (L-9) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Teleporting Speed Hippos, MaguaofIllusion,

Shmugen

Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-11) ~ Alchemist, GreyICE
Nexus (L-11) ~ Tammy, Duplicity
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ danakillsu
Avenging Angel (L-12) ~ Gammagooey

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Katsuki, Nexus, Nikanor, Oman, singersigner, SpyreX, ToastyToast, Tierce, UberNinja

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

27

Vote Count XVII:

Nexus (L-9) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-9) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

, Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-10) ~ Hinduragi, Glork, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-11) ~ GreyICE, MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Katsuki
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

29

Mini Vote Count (14):

Nexus (L-7) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu, Glork, GreyICE
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

, Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-11) ~ Hinduragi, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-12) ~ MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Katsuki
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

29

Vote Count XVIII:

Nexus (L-7) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu, Glork, GreyICE
Magister Ludi (L-10) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

, Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-11) ~ Hinduragi, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-12) ~ MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Katsuki
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

31

Shmugen's death.

Vote Count XIX:

Nexus (L-7) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, danakillsu, Glork, GreyICE
Magister Ludi (L-11) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos, Alchemist
Teleporting Speed Hippos (L-11) ~ Hinduragi, Magister Ludi
Katsuki (L-12) ~ MaguaofIllusion
UberNinja (L-12) ~ Lady Lambdadelta
Gammagooey (L-12) ~ UberNinja
GreyICE (L-12) ~ Katsuki
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor, singersigner, SpyreX, Tierce

--With

25

24

alive, it

(still)

takes 13 to lynch.

31

@SpyreX--It's not you. Why the worry?

[Tierce]

Confusion not worry. Because that sure read like an interjection when we both are pretty clear?

ALSO AND PAY ATTENTION GAME:

This is me holding my MoI hate on and not delving into it and in fact offering this up:

There's a large amount of nonsense in that wagon parsing above. A pretty clear one that isn't an accident AND kinda shows this being a caricature instead of actually trying.

I'm not going to point it out but considering how silly it was to spot I absolutely expect someone else to.

If you mean the correct number in their Gang of Six actually not being Six--that's already coming from back when they first used the name.

The analysis itself is pretty *yawn* and doesn't really have conclusions they hadn't reached elsewhere. Don't see much of a point to it. The "X scum here fo sho" tends to be pretty boring in a game where we don't even know the size of the scum group.


Alchemist, seriously, stop that--we have a mechanic that is very likely to frown on that kind of empty fluff. Don't spam. :/


SpyreX--how do you treat Omanscum clearly shaking off sheeplings on D1 by saying he hasn't played for a while? Seems an action much more likely to come from town who doesn't know who the scum are.

[Tierce]

The irony of this statement when I see wonderful posts where you simply repost vote-counts with no analysis to be seen is not lost on me.

Oh hello Attitude. Nice to know you're

still

griping instead of actually prodding as to why your VCA post is garbage.

Maybe because I haven't yet stopped for a while and looked at the VCs in deeper analysis so I can put

actual thought

into it, instead of an half-assed post like yours? Oh, I forgot, you are the head that doesn't care about meta--because otherwise you'd know I post VCs for organizational purposes, later reference and helping others do VCA posts

that I can analyze myself

. Like--oh, I don't know--your post.

Fun also how you're dismissing my brief VCA upon daybreak.

'Quick, we mustn't let them call our post bad, we need to kick trashcans!'
...I thought you were dutifully ignoring me? Guess not.

[Tierce]

While the ideas are sound you're both missing the point Hindu and Tierce.

Look closer - I'll give a hint: Look at the final result about Haze not being scum and the "wagons" before.

The careful stripping of Haze from previous mentions on the Toasty wagons? Yeah, makes the post look constructed. However, if he realized that about Haze before/during post creation, it wouldn't surprise me if he went back and edited Haze out as a town move--after all, there are other people VCA is pointing to (me and Glork included) that he is not calling scum.

---

You don't want to use them, don't, MoI. Don't compare the usefulness in having all VCs together, colored and stripped down to the basics, with empty posts like Alchemist and UberNinja are doing.

Also:

Tierce, if you get the time, could you update your D1 VCA with the Shmu-flip? There are ~things~ that need checked.

I mean, seriously, if you want to keeping arguing just for arguing, go right ahead. I'm done indulging your whiny behavior. "You haven't done VCA, how dare you call my post bad!1!!one!1"

If you want me to actually reply to what you say, please to be calling Magua over, he actually seems to be interested on the game from time to time and doesn't try to turn his townreads against him via petty bickering.

[Tierce]

I think I see it, SpyreX.

Avenging

Haze

l was the first vote on ToastyToast, purportedly RVS. It only got down to him,

Quilford

,

implosion

and

Shmugen

after the wagon collapsed..and the moment it got down to that state, implosion hopped onto Quilford, and Shmugen unvoted altogether. In the good tradition of Scumburgh--it's "fuckin' sketchy", because someone looking at the evolution of the wagons in context should notice this progression and not make a call based on a collapsing 4-vote wagon alone.

[Tierce]

Wait, the RVS was Hindu, not Toasty.

Logic stands, as that has nothing to do with the final wagon formation.

[Tierce]

The above stumps and saddens me.

singer, if you don't want to play, please replace out. I'm sure Vi can handle replacements, and no matter how much fire your replacement gets under, this game deserves slots that will fight for their own survival. Replacing out is not pointless and does not negate anything except "this slot is not contributing to its side, whatever that side is".

[Tierce]

You've went waaay too defeatist though. At least if you're gonna acquise to a lynch and self-vote which is still silly devote TIME and give reads beforehand

This.

We're hardly headed to a definite lynch on your slot today. Please don't act like that and give everyone an excuse to lynch you, that wagon would be a pain to read.

[Tierce]

dana is obvtown.

Thank goodness, that's one less I have to worry about about reading posts now.

PEdit: Huh, Glork... The protown wincon doesn't point toward multiball at all. The protown wincon requires us to eliminate the flipped scumgroup (the

Daein Resistance

) and keep at least one member of our faction alive.

Okay, good thing the madness was cut right here.

[Tierce]

@dana--You are stopping right here and explaining that 'backup' mention a while back.

[Tierce]

@dana--You are stopping right here and explaining that 'backup' mention a while back.

No, I'm not. Heck, Glork won't even point me to something already posted in this thread to protect himself. There's no way I'm going to explain something that important just because you feel like it. Maybe if someone shows me where Glork became "confirmed town" I'll tell you.

Hey. I'm practically confirmed town. You probably missed it around the time that Glork is obvtown as well. Go back to D1, look at when Glork started claiming that he was looking for someone, look at my claim, look at Oversoul's fake dayvig on me, see the mess that ensued. This is hardly invisible and it stumps me that you apparently missed this situation altogether.

And so, with my pretty pretty obvtown status that should give me some pull as to what is important in this town, I'm asking you

again

to explain that backup mention. This shouldn't be like pulling teeth. Backup masonizer makes little sense, so if you have anything going on Magua, it comes out now.

[Tierce]

Not necessarily.

Magua claimed a "leader of a nation" masonizer. That makes perfect sense with asking for backup, since the flavor involves war.

Thanks for clarifying it.

[Tierce]

MoI VCA post
You said scum won't be bunched up, thus confirming HazeTown: why then did you leave out the post ML made about the Implosion-TSH-Schmugen 1-2-3 votes on ToastyToast which follows the same logic?

No, that one is actually far better logic than the one MoI posted--the

implosion

-Teleporting Speed Hippos-

Shmugen

sequence was an actual vote sequence; the other was the final death throes of the ToastyToast wagon with Avenging Hazel-

implosion

-

Quilford

-

Shmugen

before the two flipped jumped ship like drowning rats.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Nexus

Hold this.

Nexus, what gave you the impression that MoI would be a

Crimean

leader (Elincia or other)? There is a claimed Crimean (hi!) and while I don't think I have any dire need of protection, that seemed a bit of a gamble.

And eeek, fullclaim including name?

If the lurking was deliberate, surely you must have thoughts on situations that you haven't shared yet. Time to come clean.

[Tierce]

If we (as in, y'all) did, we (as in me) did not read it. Where did this occur?

Your other head did, dear hydra.

Apparently MoI thinks that "dregs of a wagon who don't even stay there a few vote counts" mean that Avenging Angel/Haze-

Quilford

-

implosion

-

Shmugen

can't have three scum.

[Tierce]

No, dude. The thing is--your other head is using a logic that "scum is not likely to bunch up here" on the wagon of ToastyToast, but the issue with this is that he is using that logic with the last shuddering breath of that wagon, when it had four players and all those unflipped people had jumped off. Your other head is not looking at the sequence of people voting ToastyToast (which makes Teleporting Speed Hippos less likely to be scum, as they voted ToastyToast between implosion and Shmugen), but at the last remnants of that wagon as it crumbled. He's not looking at who is voting, he is looking at those who stayed behind because they happened not to post in the meantime. It makes no sense for analysis.

[Tierce]

And eeek, fullclaim including name?

Why the hell are you -ing at this?

surely you must have thoughts on situations that you haven't shared yet.

Time to come clean.

And why the hell are you telling him to "come clean", but you don't want him to full claim?

Fuck the general town consensus, Tierce is scummy as fuck with this post.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Your posts are contentless, your reads make no sense, and you're once again deciding that one of the most obvtown players in a game must be scum. Thanks for letting me know that this will be a repeat of Weather Mafia II and Newbie #1236, in which getting you lynched and out of the way actually helps town's chances of a win regardless of your alignment.

Just shut up.

---

Nexus, I know you've been online. I'd expect a protown player who has been lurking out of necessity to be well aware of what reads and opinions they actually have and did not share, and be eager to put them forward once the jig's up. It's Sunday, you are done with your uni course, your job interview is only on Tuesday... why the blatant avoidance now?

Give me deets. I'd really like to have you live because HI I'M A CLAIMED CRIMEAN PICK ME PICK ME, but you're not exactly acting protown here, Mordorwich.

[Tierce]

Hi.

Pretend I have no idea what point it is you're trying to make, and then restate that point.

Because from what I see, the last few posts have been:

I vote Avenging Angel
You're all, "Why are you voting Avenging Angel when your other head thinks he's got to be town based on VCA?"
I'm all, "I don't believe that 3-of-4 is unlikely given you already have two scum voting right next to eachother"
You're all, "I don't trust that VCA at all"
I'm all =/

So it seems like you're, I don't know, agreeing with me? Can't tell.

I agree with you.

I'm just bashing the nonsensical VCA post your other head made and hoping he cuts himself further.

[Tierce]

And... how about the rest? How about all those reads you are sure to have and did not share with the class?

[Tierce]

Glork: Where did you get that Vi doesn't like straight doctors?

[Tierce]

Nah, Grey just has a bad history with mostly everyone. Oh, and he has called Glork the Rush Limbaugh of MS.

This obviously makes him worthy of death by rope.

VOTE: GreyICE


Nexus, please to be piggybacking on me from here on out until there are shinier Crimeans claimed, please and thank you. I may be small and not very useful and green-haired, but I don't have a fondness for eating lead unnecessarily.

[Tierce]

But but but Spyspy--I want my blanket and my milk and my forever doc protection so I'll be the one with Complicated Choices at lyLo and and and--

HEY NEXUS.
Where you at? That post wasn't exactly a major improvement on what you have done so far.
You may be my safety blanket, but come on, at least make it look like you're trying.


dana is preeeeeetty town, Alchemist. If you can't tell why, lean closer and I'll tell you a secret.

[Tierce]

Eyes up here, Alchemist.

Dude: dana is SCUMHUNTING. Badly, but he is. His first list included people that no sane scum would want to put forth for public analysis; at least he would have scanned the latest pages to see what the common denominator of townreads was and dropped that somewhere in his reads (see: Magua's mention that scum would try and blend in). What did he do? He ignored my existence altogether and called Glork scum. This is someone who doesn't give a damn about the status quo and has his own reads.

He also took the info we gave him when we clubbed him upside the head, checked it and carried on without making a big fuss. He was like "OKAY SHOW ME HOW GLORK IS PROTOWN." We did. I got all up in his face with a demand for his 'backup' mention, pushing my town weight. He accepted it and trusted me (and I've recently seen danascum act toward town in a VERY different way). He never brought Glork up again. No scumplaining, no nothing, just checking people off the scumlist and carrying on.

dana is like Furcolow. You can't really force him to do anything, but he's actually listening when we tell him that nope, you're wrong, go check your facts, come again. That's a very good sign with him.

[Tierce]

I am taking those things into account. I've already said that I'd be inclined to not lynch him but something feels off with his claim, which is why I asked the question I did. I don't know anything about the flavor so I'm depending on others for that, which they've answered is plausible.

Have you read Ponybash Invitational?

I want my Ike safety blanket, I'm the first to admit it, but Nexus can be terribad as scum. Using this "bad play probably indicates town" doesn't really match in this case. I'm the first one to make meta defenses, buuuut Nexus IS Bad At Scum.

[Tierce]

I apologize for the incoming string of bad puns. I am extremely sleep deprived.

Nexus and the Crimeans

, coming soon to a thread near you!

I've decided I don't want a Nexus lynch today. Call me (selfish) maybe. In the meantime, I need to do some structuring of my reads, because I'm getting Too Many Townreads Syndrome and that makes me paranoid.

Town, in no particular order: Glork (so much paranoia here), Teleporting Speed Hippos, danakillsu, MaguaofcuttingwristsIllusion, ~Oman~, ~Katsuki~, Alchemist, Hinduragi, Gammaaaybegooey, singersigner, ToastyToast, UberNinja.

It doesn't help that I have strong urges to put arrows through the skulls of half these people. No, that is not "license to vig", you don't kill town please and thank you.

Where's a vote count when you need one? Ah, yes. I like the company of the smart, funny, handsome, etc. half of Typo Incarnate.

UNVOTE: GreyICE
VOTE: Avenging Angel
Come alt come out, wherever you are.


I never saw anywhere that Vi doesn't like doctors, Glork. I mean, it's not like Vi games usually have 'normal' roles to begin with, but I think you're confusing this with Vi's view on cops which tends to lean toward

hate hate hate die suck die

.

"Tierce says I'm town so Tierce is 100% town."

COME ON

This is 100% true tbqh. S'okay, I have a floofy Nex-blankie.



(Okay, let's be honest, I don't regret any of those puns.)

[Tierce]

You keep Gobbie on her toes. She never knows when Nezumi Deathmask might not actually be on her side. D:

Hopeful yes, but I'm preeeeetty sure I can't read you worth an apple. I'm just hoping you're protown and trying to ignore that twinge just beyond the edge of hearing.

[Tierce]

Funny how a wagon on Oman has a lot more traction as the one on an equally useless slot. It's almost like Avenging Hazel is being protected and Oman isn't. Almost like Oman is going to flip town.

[Tierce]

@UberNinja:

Oh okay so you still have no idea what you're doing

good to know

. Business as usual!

You see a slot at a level of scumminess (Oman) being much more attacked and piled on than another (Avenging Angel-Haze) that isn't magically townie either. The competing wagon that might compare is on a claimed and uncounterclaimed Ike-doctor, who is likely to be on the scum's hit list. It's not like Nexus is some spectacularly hard lynch and we can't muster the power to do so later in the game if his claim doesn't satisfy anyone.

Nexus is not getting lynched today. Your justification for your vote is "there is a wagon on a slot that I don't particularly think is town and no wagon on another slot that I don't particularly think is town

so I'm gonna lynch the Crimean doctor claim instead!

"

That makes a lot of sense.
Good to know your thought process hasn't improved none.

---

@GreyICE:

It's not so much that I have any particular worry of dying in this game, it's the fact that we're not going to lynch Ike at this stage. Oman/Avenging Angel replacements may CC Ike, sure, but in the meantime

you don't lynch Ike

. You seem to be pushing for Nexus's lynch or at least trying to convince Glork to hop back on, without voting for Nexus yourself. What's with this? Why are you playing devil's advocate?
(Though I guess that UberNinja is the one and only of my townreads I would slaughter with no regrets, so carry on god's work there.)

[Tierce]

Nexus
I want to believe you, but you're making this reeeeeeaally hard to deal with:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 2&sr=posts

Hop to, grasshopper. Give us JUICE. Show us that you actually have opinions in this game while you were "lurking out of necessity" instead of pulling failbad scumreads out of an hat with no development.


@UberNinja--don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Also I want that Nephenee concept made into a gaming miniature. Looks so awesome.

[Tierce]

You realize implosion was killed N1 and flipped scum, right, Kats?

[Tierce]

I'm wary of calling him town over this because ~THINGS~, though I still think he's town.

But townpoints for Grey.

[Tierce]

@Nikanor:

ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Avenging Hazel, UberNinja,

SpyreX,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Quilford

,

Gammagooey,

Wyrd

,

implosion

, Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Shmugen

,

Hinduragi

Even if they could be scum, we are not lynching this wagon slot today. It would be three scum piling together here in sequence, with no one unvoting quickly before or after.

Do try to keep up.

[Tierce]

Tierce has claimed to be Rolf, and knows that if she meets up with Oscar and Boyd, something will happen.

I'm a not a seeker myself, but my PM does seem to hint toward that possibility. Something

might

happen, and knowing Vi has both played in and modded roles that change through the game (Holy Orders and co-SKs, for example).

Also I am not required to make sense during/after the football game going on RIGHT NOW. If I don't remember tonight's posts come the morrow, please be understanding. >.>

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Avenging Angel
VOTE: UberNinja

And I guess Glork actually meant Gamma, not Nexus...?

[Tierce]

Also, I don't like how Nexus changed his claim to something several other people have brought up to make more sense.

TBF, he never called it a doctor claim. He called it a protective role, people assumed doctor.


kanye, Gallian roles are colored green (I'm Crimean, my role is colored yellow-gold). SpyreX thought TOWN would be colored green and assumed he was just part of the Army Alliance of Laguz, with no nation--making him nationless green town. Nope--that means he's a Gallian, and probably town because HERP DERP PM ILLITERACY. (<3 Spyspy)

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: UberNinja
VOTE: Nexus

wooooooosh
/more ur-quan

[Tierce]

WHOLEY FUCKING SHIT. Nevermind about TSH... Kill Nexus ded. D.E.D. ded.

singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner

-_____-

SINGER
GODDAMMIT

Code: Select all

[unvote]singersigner[/unvote]
[vote]Nexus[/vote]

THERE YOU GO.

[Tierce]

Uhm, that was after a PEdit--you were not voting him before seeing TSH's post, and you didn't vote him after, singer. Why won't you vote

now

? Why do you want the hammer?

[Tierce]

SCUMMER CRUD

Nope, I missed the trolling bit. >.> I'd say carry on, but reeeeeaally don't think this is the game in which that'd be a mighty bright idea due to Blue Number of Alien Doom.

[Tierce]

HEY GUYS

YOU THINK THAT VI MAKES ONE OF THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO KEEP ALIVE

A MOTHERFUCKING BODYGUARD?

A FUCKING BODYGUARD? HOW DOES THAT WORK ANYWAY, OH I SUCCESSFULLY PROTECTED SOMEONE, AND THAT HURT THE TOWN?

Excellent point, actually.

[Tierce]

WOOOOOOOSH

[Tierce]

If he's a non-targeted role, he can eat rope. I'd rather have active players near endgame than bleh lurkers. Though MAH BLANKIE D:

And really, with TSH-probstown, I'm willing to trust their judgment on what should be a Bodyguard-like role.

[Tierce]

...your vig list is horrid, Grey. Like wowhorrid.

SpyreX derped his role PM in a manner that is likely to come from town. kanye jumped immediately in and is actually doing stuff for once. dana is obvtowning. LLD should be there, along with Avenging Angel.

[Tierce]

I was rather horrified when reading Ike's death scene and scrambling for that Ancient Language translator. "Let the light save you, Ike", btw.

Bullsh*t!

/pennjillette

Vi mod troll too funneh. Makes lynch scenes for her own fakeclaims and rattles the poor littlelest blanketless archer in the process.

(One of my Austrian housemates is named Ike and two nights ago they were hosting a party and going

IKE! IKE! IKE!

at random intervals. Presumably booze was involved. Stop giving fictional names to real people, kthx. )



Soooooo.

It's a brand new day,
and the sun is high,
all the birds are singing
that you're gonna die~

VOTE: UberNinja



Also hai Glork, #2644 is totally UberNinja.

[Tierce]

Because it doesn't need mentioning.

[Tierce]

Ok, I will admit I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this game...

So for me Nikanor, your boyfriend for a day, will you please explain:

why the DDD quickwagon?

Maybe I'm dense, maybe it's something totally fucking obvious, but I have no idea what this is.
I wanna try to get back into the game, and you helping me out will help me out a lot. Helpfully.

Thanks.

WHY was it obvious? I wasn't paying attention.

Vote: DDD

for the lulz I guess (mostly because Nik said so, Glork not so much), but

I want to actually try to get into the game and be useful at some point, so if somebody would explain to me like I was a raw fuckin newbie, that'd be perfectamundo

kthx


p-edit: wut @ spyrex being self-aligned. explain pl0x

Just stop talking now, Tim. Before you screw up anything else.

I, like SpyreX, see no smoking gun on DDD and nobody's pointed it out to me.

SpyreX, where did you claim? Post #, please.

Hey Tierce that's a really cool vote, and I'mma let you finish, but

DDD's one of the coolest wagons of ALL TIME

.

i.e. Why didn't you mention it? AT ALL?

This needs to die today. This guy is wagoning someone to L-2, prattles on about SpyreX like he's making himself ~useful~, and Christ #2644 is all about him. Look at his vote patterns, especially the dance on Nexus/Oman.

Give me this little pleasure in life and string up this scumbag.




Yo town. DDDP saw exactly the same thing I did with SpyreX re: PM colors, called SpyreX town, moved on:

Yea?

"MoI I'm just part of this army so no nation should mean this'll work."

I didnt think of the -nation- part being a huge mechanic more just a flavor addendum - meaning from what he said having none would mean it'd work.

Of course when its you be scummmmm well.

I cant imagine I'm the ONLY one without a nation.

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

We're cool again bro, but you're an idiot

; now find us scum.

We're cool again bro, but you're an idiot; now find us scum.

Oh so you are cool with him claiming to not have any country of origin listed at all in his role PM?

Pray tell why exactly is that?

Trust me, these aren't the droids you're looking for. If shit gets heavy I'll explain then, but it's not like I'm working off secret information it's all just deduction

so think about my questions and maybe it'll come to you as well.

Either way, SpyreX is still town.

Before I forget -

This head also would lynch DDD out of the Gang of Six if we got that route. He's not nearly obv-Town enough for my tastes.

You're just upset I figured out the SpyreX thing

while you were stuck scratching your head and making a fool of yourself.

This is town-action. Dat wagon is going to hit town. Let's try and lynch scum instead kthx.