Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Glork]

Okay, so dana and MoI are een more likely to be town.

Anyway, yes, if you start with my soft claim of searching for one or more people and work from there, it should become quite apparent that nothing I've said comes even remotely close to a scum mindset.



I'm really uncomfortable with Spyre's questions about the seekers... I just feel like the benefit he gains is not worth MoI giving scum the same information. I'm not saying I think Spyre is scummy for it (at least, not right now), but it makes me squirm a bit nonetheless.

[Magister Ludi]

I'm pretty happy with the way this Oman wagon is going, but I'm hoping we can get some more support here and get more people on board. If you're not voting oman, I seriously ask you to consider why not and give his iso a read, (or read some of my posts), I think we can lynch scum here today.

[Hinduragi]

Tierce, everyone realizes dana is town but he either isn't reading the game or he's putting so little effort into this he's almost as valuable to scum as a traitor. Most of the pushing for him is a policy lynch/vig.

So why would UN-town ever post this?

Dunno but if you look back I can recall a fairly good amount of people entertained the idea of multiple scum groups when it got brought up. I found it hard to believe but it wasn't just him.

Uhhh what?

MoI are you seeking someone specifically?

Where did this come from?

He DID claim D1, so rb's are waaaaay up here and


your theory is alllll the way down here.

[Hinduragi]

I'm pretty happy with the way this Oman wagon is going, but I'm hoping we can get some more support here and get more people on board. If you're not voting oman, I seriously ask you to consider why not and give his iso a read, (or read some of my posts), I think we can lynch scum here today.

Actually, Ludi is right. I was looking at that last vote count and I was baffled by a lot of the wagons, especially singer's since she's the only person on it.

[Hinduragi]

I'm really uncomfortable with Spyre's questions about the seekers... I just feel like the benefit he gains is not worth MoI giving scum the same information. I'm not saying I think Spyre is scummy for it (at least, not right now), but it makes me squirm a bit nonetheless.

I was thinking along the same lines but then I thought "what could the scum gain from this" and pulled blanks so I asked the other question that was bothering me about it

[SpyreX]

My initial response to how that just went down is MoI wasnt exactly truthful with his role and is seeking someone very specific that he messaged last night.

[Vi]

Vote Count XX:

Soren (and Elincia)
Nexus (L-6) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, Glork, Tierce, Lady Lambdadelta, Alchemist
Oman (L-9) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi, UberNinja, Hinduragi
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-11) ~ ToastyToast, MaguaofIllusion
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Katsuki, danakillsu
Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-12) ~ GreyICE
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[MaguaofIllusion]

So, I'm not entirely sure what y'all did to other head, but he's locked himself into the bathroom and is screaming something about cutting himself with razors because that's the only way to let all the pain out, or something.

I told him to not get blood on the rugs. We'll see what happens there.

Stttttttttttttttuff.

Has anyone ever seen a game with a day serial killer?

Metropolis: Revisited (which is doubly lulz because the smart, funny, handsome, etc head of this hydra stabbed the other head during that game)

MoI are you seeking someone specifically?

No, we are not seeking anyone specifically. We do not even know what makes someone "eligible" -- like we said, citizens of our country is just an educated guess.

I, for one, am surprised at, but totally believe, dana's claim. Our action was to try to masonize someone (not danakillsu), and the response we got back was that that person wasn't eligible.

PEdit: MoI, I don't think singer is scum. Didn't one of your heads also agree that singer is protown? Why are you wasting your time with this? Listen to your better half, please.

I had a smaller response written up for this, but then I got to singersigner's self-vote, and so, yeah.

Other head's POV is that bad-play needs to die, because if it doesn't die it loses lylo.

My POV is more that bad-play tends to be a towntell and you shouldn't run around trying to lynch people who are town, ever, no matter how bad they are, and you shouldn't run around trying to vig town when there's scummy or null people to vig.

Other head says (essentially) that I'm wrong, but there you go.

My read on singer as "too scummy to be scum" goes back to her D1 entrance -- literally calling someone town while voting them, calling people out for voting the same person she was voting, etc. Literally too scummy to be scum. Her self vote falls into the same category. It's like the exact opposite of the scum-mastermind cleverly manipulating everyone to their own ends -- it reads exactly to me like a direct emotional connection to the game, rather than a plotting or planning one.

And given that there's an obv-vig who shot implosion-scum, I do not foresee singer-scum as doing anything to make her that high of a target.

Singer lynch is bad.

Dana lynch is bad.

Nexus lynch is good.
Oman lynch is adequate, but of the two, Nexus is vastly preferred, and already has more votes to boot. Also, a majority of my townreads are on the wagon, which makes me warm/fuzzy.

Ludi I am coming around to seeing as town. I don't like a lot of his actions (I really don't like the wagons that he pushes, or the reasons that he pushes them), but I can follow his thought process and at least agree in theory on things, and that's important for me having the warm fuzzies (his read on SpyreX after the Laguz alliance stuff, his thoughts on where the scum are going to be on the Quilford wagon, etc). Also, shmugen voting and pushing Ludi -- given that scum are not in control of the Daykill, and that scum got killed by a vig, I do not believe that scum would be in a hurry to be bussing at this point in the game.

Think SpyreX is much more likely to be town given his reaction. I have my doubts (he very convincingly breadcrumbed a role in ASOIAF in his opening posts of D1), but I'm not wanting to chase it now. Other head is almost certain to disagree on this read, but he's not here right now, so.

UNVOTE: DDD
VOTE: Nexus

[Tammy]

Oh hey look...Magua's bringing funny back. Means only one thing...innocent...of course.

[Duplicity]

Hate to say it but Ludis town, his entire reaction towards Shmugens death re; Him being Micah came across as genuine shock and don't think it's what he'd fake as mafia, also think Shmugen agreeing with our scum read on Ludi over Implosion was probably to push the wagon towards town rather than partner.

Singers self-vote is ugh, think it's probably a town-tell though as is her 'multiple countries' claim. She should replace out instead of acting self-defeatist. Also Dana is an idiot, no doubt about that, but he's town and I think his 'i got a pm about MoI' fits perfectly with his questioning on them earlier today, he's not even for policy vigging, we have enough useless-scummy/null players to be dealt with. Nexus lynch is still awesome, Oman lynch is a decent alternative.

Really? Because 'Good job doctor' posts are like 50% from scum, 25% from the doctor himself. And the doctor in this case is a serial killer...

Understand your point. Disagree with your conclusion. It's the sort of post I expect from him actually.

Similarly, where can this conversation be found?

Starts around Post 1747 and ends around Post 1759.

[UberNinja]

I know nothing about the flavor of this game, btw

I exchanged multiple PMs with Vi, clarifying the flips and possible alignments (and all the pretty colors of the different shit that's flipped so far). I think I have a decent grasp on things now but I couldn't see myself leading a lynch based on mechanics or whatnot.

It is a convenient argument for scum to use against me though: that I appear to be completely incompetent.

[singersigner]

You've went waaay too defeatist though. At least if you're gonna acquise to a lynch and self-vote which is still silly devote TIME and give reads beforehand

This.

We're hardly headed to a definite lynch on your slot today. Please don't act like that and give everyone an excuse to lynch you, that wagon would be a pain to read.

It wasn't meant to be a wagon to analyze. It was literally, "I'm not playing sufficiently enough, I usually make it to lylo because of it, town doesn't want me there, not worth replacing out and delaying the game even further." You read MoCO, you know how difficult it is for me to make a decision/how easily persuaded I can be.

Besides, we're hardly headed toward any lynch at the rate we're going. Might as well get it out of the way now. -_-

Singer, just tell me if at least one of your nations is at least one of the three I listed. That should suffice for now.

It's not, and after rereading my role PM, I actually forgot/misread something. I technically only have one nation (not one of the ones you listed), but it implies I can be recruited in some way depending on who will feed me. I don't think there's a cult in the game, so I'm fairly positive MoI could be town now.

I still think I'm better off dead right now than not (unless I can actually be masonized or something, then, well, I have no fucking clue anyway), but until that happens, you're gunna have to be patient with me until this friggin meet is over. I just have two-ish more days of adskljfbaldgkmwrefiuqhgr.

For now, I'd agree with an Oman lynch because he's been lurking a lot. While this isn't necessarily a scum-tell in it of itself, the contribution while he

is

here is lacking.

I'll have to read Nexus, because I don't think I've noticed any of the posts he's made in the game.

Reactions to me...will have to wait until I have the time/energy to look at it. I think it's worth commenting on myself now, for when I do end up flipping.

[Glork]

Singer, just tell me if at least one of your nations is at least one of the three I listed. That should suffice for now.

It's not, and after rereading my role PM, I actually forgot/misread something. I technically only have one nation.

/facepalm

Well now I just don't know what to think.

Obviously I'm willing to wait the two days. In the meantime, cut the woe is me and sheep the confirmed towns onto Nexus?

[UberNinja]

As long as Oman dies at some point, I'm fine sheeping whoever onto whoever.

Vote: Nexus

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (18):

Leanne and Nealuchi
Nexus (L-4) ~ Tammy, Duplicity, Gammagooey, Glork, Tierce, Lady Lambdadelta, Alchemist, MaguaofIllusion, UberNinja
Oman (L-10) ~ SpyreX, Magister Ludi,

UberNinja,

Hinduragi
GreyICE (L-11) ~ Katsuki, danakillsu
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-12) ~ ToastyToast,

MaguaofIllusion

Magister Ludi (L-12) ~ Teleporting Speed Hippos
SpyreX (L-12) ~ Oman
danakillsu (L-12) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro
Alchemist (L-12) ~ GreyICE
singersigner (L-12) ~ singersigner

Not Voting:

dramonic, Avenging Angel, Nexus, Nikanor

-A mistake in previous vote counts has been corrected. I apologize.

--With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

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[Alchemist]

Is this the part where we all give up and lynch Nexus

[Alchemist]

And make a bunch of shitty excuses for doing so

[Alchemist]

I'm down

[GreyICE]

Lol, lessee.

He hasn't posted in 100 days

So we have no idea of his alignment

It's like 2 scum dead to like 3 town.


Yeah, we need people like that to not be wasting oxygen.

vote: nexus

If you are a mislynch bro, you done nothing to show us this.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Also Shmugen scum flip

How about the fact Shmugen was steadfast trying to lynch me all of today?

Scummy post. But as others have said, you've been :townposting: in other places. Fuck you.

Can we all take a moment and look at TSH's ISO please?

Lots of votes with little explanation, a bit of fluff posting and that's it.

Why didn't you vote us then? Scumbag.

MoI VCA post
You said scum won't be bunched up, thus confirming HazeTown: why then did you leave out the post ML made about the Implosion-TSH-Schmugen 1-2-3 votes on ToastyToast which follows the same logic?

I'm happy with this:

Unvote; Vote: Nexus

~AV

[Hinduragi]

Vig, I swear to god, if you're part of this wrong, you better damn well be making it right.

[Tierce]

MoI VCA post
You said scum won't be bunched up, thus confirming HazeTown: why then did you leave out the post ML made about the Implosion-TSH-Schmugen 1-2-3 votes on ToastyToast which follows the same logic?

No, that one is actually far better logic than the one MoI posted--the

implosion

-Teleporting Speed Hippos-

Shmugen

sequence was an actual vote sequence; the other was the final death throes of the ToastyToast wagon with Avenging Hazel-

implosion

-

Quilford

-

Shmugen

before the two flipped jumped ship like drowning rats.

[Glork]

Please don't hammer until I've gotten people to answer my request for nation members.

Nexus, you're at L-2 by my count. Full claim, please.

[Magister Ludi]

Vig, I swear to god, if you're part of this wrong, you better damn well be making it right.

I agree here, but saying that, Nexus is not that bad of a lynch. I am willing to put further votes onto Nexus, so I agree that a fullclaim is needed, albeit minus his or her name of course.

[Katsuki]

Goddamn I want to vote so bad right now...

Thought I had a nexus vote though.

Nexus has 6hrs or whenever until I get home to claim.