Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Glork]

By the way, a lot of my good feelings about Spure have dissipated. I thought he was trying to breadcrumb being a Triangle Attack member with Tierce based on a lot of his comments around he soft claims and fake vig, but apparently that's not the case. I'll have to review his behavior without that assumption and reassess him later.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Yea?

"MoI I'm just part of this army so no nation should mean this'll work."

I didnt think of the -nation- part being a huge mechanic more just a flavor addendum - meaning from what he said having none would mean it'd work.

Of course when its you be scummmmm well.

I cant imagine I'm the ONLY one without a nation.

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

[SpyreX]

By the way, a lot of my good feelings about Spure have dissipated. I thought he was trying to breadcrumb being a Triangle Attack member with Tierce based on a lot of his comments around he soft claims and fake vig, but apparently that's not the case. I'll have to review his behavior without that assumption and reassess him later.

How'd you get THAT from what I said?

Especially since I said if I was looking for someone I'd have just done it.

[Glork]

MaguaOfIllusion and Glork, can the both of you explain in some detail what you think of LLD for me, please.

I can't really decide if LLD is the kind of person who would hide behind "being pissed at people for ragging on her/Grey" as an excuse to scum-lurk.

I will say that I've been pretty underwhelmed by her play so far, but I do not really have a solid read in one way or another.

[SpyreX]

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

[Alchemist]

Its in Spyre's meta to do elaborate scumclaims like this fyi

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

We're cool again bro, but you're an idiot; now find us scum.

[MaguaofIllusion]

We're cool again bro, but you're an idiot; now find us scum.

Oh so you are cool with him claiming to not have any country of origin listed at all in his role PM?

Pray tell why exactly is that?

[SpyreX]

I'm not inherently opposed to Ludi. I got trying too hard versus scummm but.

I actually want glorks thought process on me being triangle.

I'll go back through though.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

We're cool again bro, but you're an idiot; now find us scum.

Oh so you are cool with him claiming to not have any country of origin listed at all in his role PM?

Pray tell why exactly is that?

Trust me, these aren't the droids you're looking for. If shit gets heavy I'll explain then, but it's not like I'm working off secret information it's all just deduction so think about my questions and maybe it'll come to you as well. Either way, SpyreX is still town.

[Tierce]

Hai guys.

Hai.

Can we stop the flow of idiocy now?

Full claim since I don't know what this will flip like: my role looks pretty similar to Lucius's PM on p1, making me a VT/someone with powers I don't know of.

The role coloring makes me Crimean

(which lines up with Rolf's origins).

The Laguz Alliance Army

So when you literally go back and look at your role PM there's no mention of having a country but your name is a nice shade of town green and not big scary scum red?

Nope, no country. Just the alliance army.

And greens and not reds yes.

On a different note I yelled at Vi when this game started about getting this pm.

The Factions of Tellius: In the Year 649 of the Goddess

Crimea

- Presently ruled by the kind Queen Elincia and administered from horseback by her Royal Knights, the northwestern country of Crimea was wrested from Daein control three years ago. Upon the public return of Apostle Sanaki, Elincia brokered the treaty that formed the alliance of the Apostle's Army in exchange for promises of heavy concessions from Sanaki's native Begnion. The Crimean people were initially mistrusting of entering an alliance with Gallia and its beastmen, but the debt they owe to the Gallians for helping rebuild their country forces them to put their qualms to the side. Aside from that, this is another chance to take revenge on Daein, for which there is no lost love.

The Greil Mercenaries are centered in Crimea.

Their leader, Ike, is considered the hero of the Mad King's War.

[snip]

Gallia

- A densely forested nation to the west claimed by the beast tribes. Lion King Caineghis ordered his hotheaded nephew Skrimir to take command of the Gallian Army in hopes that the campaign against Begnion would be a proving ground for his leadership abilities. However, once the initial assault went awry, Skrimir and his legions of cats and tigers took deep losses as the Central Army very nearly crushed them within their own country's borders. Gallia makes up the major portion of the Laguz Alliance Army.

Phoenicis

- A craggy island nation south of Tellius ruled by the proud Hawk King Tibarn. Claiming kinship with the massacred Heron clan of Serenes, Tibarn and his avian allies joined the Gallian Army to form the Laguz Alliance. However, while the contingent of the Hawks' fighting corps was away, the ravens of Kilvas - in implicit complicity with Begnion - slaughtered every man who stayed behind at Phoenicis. The remaining Hawks have no place to go now but to the Apostle's Army, where they are ready to serve revenge cold.

Kilvas

- An even craggier island nation just east of Phoenicis. The Raven clan resides here, presided over by the cunning and historically disloyal King Naesala. Initially, he joined forces with the Laguz Alliance with the Hawks, but seized a critical opportunity to massacre the Hawk tribe instead in order to curry favor with Begnion. Since then, the Ravens and their scheming King have been lying low - probably a good thing for their own sakes. The Ravens are well-known for acting as mercenaries wherever there is a profit to be made, though...

The Laguz Alliance army consists of the combined might of Gallia, Phoenicis, and Kilvas - minus Kilvas now that they've done a face heel turn.

Vi even stated explicitly that our PMs didn't have town/scum expressed in them, and if you look at the example PM on the first page (and possibly your own PM), you should be completely fine with a role not talking about nations explicitly. Pushing on this is fuckin' sketchy.

FOS: MaguaofIllusion

DDDP is likely town.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhhhh

Then I'm Gallian

[GreyICE]

So your role is XXXXXXXX of Gallia?

[SpyreX]

No, its green as per what tierce just posted. Not hideous, red or purple.

[Glork]

@Glork:

Lets try this a different way:

Am I crazy and if so why?

PEdit: Character(s), in my case. Equivalent to roles/players considering it's one each.

I'm tired so I just want to make sure I've got this right:

You & Glork are looking for:

Baazelbub, Terror of the Sands

NOT:

A Roleblocker and a Vig

Or, to put it a different way:

If I had a role that I was looking for someone I'd probably start out subtle but when that didn't work yell at the top of my lungs for my homey so we could get bashing.

I'm hoping, HOPING, that Tierce gets team hammer bros to find her directly as a function of her claiming today and, like I surmised, it is directly and actively useful for town so this mantra of hurbablabala nameclaims are bad when the claiming of names has a direct benefit can get stuck in your gullets and you choke on it.

Sigh

Hopefully the third visits Glork for SOME prizes.

SEE what coy does. Makes dumb happen

I'd be really, really surprised if there was no prizes for finding each other.

It seems like there's a pretty strong degree of "start off subtle" with you asking general questions about "so does your role work *this* way or *that* way?"
...and eventually "GOLLY GEE GOSH, I HOPE THE LAST TRINAGLE MEMBER AND GLORK GET TOGETHER" type of screaming at the top of your lungs.

[SpyreX]

That would still be subtle if I was a triangle.

But ok I can see it now at least.

[MaguaofIllusion]

Vi even stated explicitly that our PMs didn't have town/scum expressed in them, and if you look at the example PM on the first page (and possibly your own PM), you should be completely fine with a role not talking about nations explicitly. Pushing on this is fuckin' sketchy.

FOS: MaguaofIllusion

DDDP is likely town.

Funny Tierce. In that same post showing the sample role PM the NAME OF THE SAMPLE ROLE'S NATION IS LISTED RIGHT IN THE ROLE PM. IT'S AS IF YOU COULD PICK IT OUT JUST BY READING.

From this point on this head is not listing to a fucking word you are saying. I'm done. Town read or not you've passed the point of no return with me bothering listen to you prattle on.

[Glork]

Hmm. Maybe I can use some soft-claiming of nations to our advantage.



I'm considering asking exactly

one

preson from each of three different nations (I already have the three in mind, and at least one is a red herring) to volunteer that they are from said nation for the purposes of target-seeking.

Good Idea / Bad Idea?

[SpyreX]

There is more than 3.

Thats just the alliance

(and that post is spoilered for the confused looking for it in 3)

[Tierce]

SpyreX, why weren't you surprised at the color of the non-implosion flips?

Shoulda brought more priests, or some babies:

19. Oversoul - Leanne, Innocent Princess of

Serenes

,

Apostle's Army

- Collapsed Day 1.
20. Quilford - Tanith, Demoness Guardian of

Begnion

,

Apostle's Army

- Plummeted Day 1.
10. implosion - Laura, Ordinary Cleric of

Daein

,

Daein Resistance

- Annihilated Night 1!
28. Wyrd (Fate + Nuwen hydra) - Kieran, Patriot Paladin of

Crimea

,

Apostle's Army

- Exploded Night 1.

Also, looking at this, I find it perfectly possible that Vi has a country cop (because it's Vi--straight cops are almost non-existent in Vi games). Wouldn't be surprised to see false positives and negatives, as I very much doubt that all the scum will be from

Daein

itself--they might all be from the

Daein Resistance

, but alliances, traitors to either side and whatnot.


PEdit: Yeah and everyone knows that Oscar/Boyd is the 'leader of a nation'. Come on, Glork.



PEdit: Oooooh there's that delightful Attitude. Please to be going back to vacation kthxbai.
No, MoI. There is absolutely no mention of a nation in that PM related to the role itself. There is a sponsor's nation, and there's the modnote. It does not mean that you should immediately think that it says "Lucius is from Etruria". It's in the

color

, I had already made it clear that my own role does not have an explicit nation, and you jumped on SpyreX for not having it. You might be basing things off your own PM, fine, but the assumption is still out of place.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, why weren't you surprised at the color of the non-implosion flips?

Only paid attention to the green, honestly.

[Glork]

There is more than 3.

Thats just the alliance

(and that post is spoilered for the confused looking for it in 3)

Yes, but I want to limit the amount of unnecessary claiming.

Basically, of the three nations I choose, at least one will be the nation of a target of mine, and at least one will be of a nation I really don't give a fuck about. The other one may go either way. But I don't want to ask like six or seven people to claim their nations. Three, maybe four, would suffice.

[SpyreX]

Addendum:

I probably would have put more thought into it if I wasn't green. As it was, didn't think about it.

Et glork: Fair enough

[MaguaofIllusion]

No, MoI. There is absolutely no mention of a nation in that PM related to the role itself.

So what? I never said anything about that sort of thing at all. Are you purposefully mis-reading my posts? It clear as fucking day says in the sample PM what nation that character is from. You even show I'm right in your response. So what exactly is your point? All I asked is what nation Spyrex was from. He derped it up and said "I don't have one" when low and behold he does.

Also back on topic ... Singersinger continues to provide absolutely no content aside from a pointless smilie. Yes, yes, she's again busy from her Meet. I don't care. She's managed to be completely and pointless busy the entire game and just like Scumrex hasn't scum-hunted a lick.

[singersigner]

Vi even stated explicitly that our PMs didn't have town/scum expressed in them, and if you look at the example PM on the first page (and possibly your own PM), you should be completely fine with a role not talking about nations explicitly. Pushing on this is fuckin' sketchy.

FOS: MaguaofIllusion

DDDP is likely town.

Funny Tierce. In that same post showing the sample role PM the NAME OF THE SAMPLE ROLE'S NATION IS LISTED RIGHT IN THE ROLE PM. IT'S AS IF YOU COULD PICK IT OUT JUST BY READING.

There might even be some that specify more than one. Oh ho!

Preview Edit:
@MoI...I'd be veeery careful about what you decide to accuse me of doing/not doing/avoiding/not avoiding right now. Just ask me about the night I had last night.

Ask.

I knew going into this game that I would be busier than usual, but I've learned a lot about my game load in the past two years, so if it's not "satisfactory" for you, then you can suck it. Your definition of scumhunting != everyone else's so really, you can just deal.

Also, whotf is "Scumrex"?