Newbie 1428 Game Over
-
-
Grimgroove
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
No u.In post 21, Cheery Dog wrote:They both seem to want to exclaim pointless stuff as if it made actual sense."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 21, Cheery Dog wrote:Anyway I think one of these quotes does actually belong to scum. They both seem to want to exclaim pointless stuff as if it made actual sense.In post 45, Cheery Dog wrote:Facetiousness has many values to it, and when combined with rvs, I felt that there was scum motivation in why those posts happened in that manner. This is what would be known as a gut read at this stage.
Everything is serious, we're up against the mafia in a life or death situation. Getting too much joking happening, just lets scum control the town.
DOES NOT COMPUTE!
First you say you thought those RVS's were fishy because they exclaim pointless stuffas if it made actual sense. The bolded part means that you thought those posts were fishy,b ecause they were invoking silly reasons as serious ones. So the seriousness that you saw was the problem.
But now that everyone has made clear that your comedy-radar needs fixing, you proclaim it's not the seriousness that is scummy, but the facetiousness (whoever came up with that word should be able to spell "merely" by the way, cfr. BigTerp) and the joking, that are suddenly tactical instruments for scum to gain control.
In other words, he doesn't care about the stick he's using, he already picked out the dogs he's going to try and beat down.
I would vote, but yes, L-1, and at this point things could get too confusing, but: CheeryDog."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
He's beginning to sound very nervous over matters that are trivial. His read on Cheery Dog in post 59 feels as if proclaimed by someone being choked to death, gasping for air.In post 57, Ravenpaw wrote:@Grim- What are your thoughts on Bigterp so far?
What are your thoughts on Dyslexicon, Ravenpaw?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
His read on Cheery Dog, his stance on early L-1 and L-2's.In post 70, Ravenpaw wrote: What are the trivial matters that he sounds nervous over?
And you didn’t actually give a stance on Bigterp in the above response, so what do you read him as?
You asked me for my thoughts and I gave them. You didn't ask for a "stance". My only stance is that I think he sounds nervous, which is possibly a scumtell, but not necessarily. I've seen people before who considered themselves easy targets, and people with that mindset tend to get nervous more easily, regardless of alignment. Remember Candillan? I'm sure you do."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Oh, missed that:
@Ravenpaw:
And the reason I asked about Dyslexicon is 1. to pull you out of your unilateral questioning-status and 2. because I think he made the most memorable action of the first two pages and should be worth everyone's consideration.
His vote showed a certain carelessness that I'd associate with a town-mindset rather than a scummy one, but his reaction to when he finds out he put someone at L-1 sounded a bit too off-hand."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Wow! I never knewIn post 74, Cheery Dog wrote:Highlighting certain parts works with the normal quote button, but not the multi-quote."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 87, Ravenpaw wrote:Could be, but Cheery, myself and Dyslexi were all pushing you for answers, and that discussion has been good for creating more information and getting us away from RVS. If you are town I’d say that Grim’s and Pie’s reaction to you were the most scum like. Both gave general blanket statements about why you’re suspicious, yet made no move to vote you or try to scumhunt you to extrapolate more information. That is pretty scummy from my pov and it should be from yours too if you’re town.
Don't give yourself too much towncred. Like I said before, you have assumed a position of unilateral questioning where you ask a barrage of questions to everyone in a seemingly, and I'd say obviously, random way. While the effort is applaudable, juxtaposting your inquisitive behavior with my observational one as one being town and one being scum is too easy. Anyone can ask questions, what is truly important is the leap from those questions to an actual case. Suffice to say I do not like your leap.
Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I see for instance you asked me for "my thoughts" on BigTerp, a question that I answered with an observation of his nervousness. You skillfully (and from my PoV I'd say: maliciously) skew this into me making "blanket statements", but tell me, is there anything disagreeable with my statement that BigTerp is acting nervous? And that nervousness is a nulltell?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
How is Big giving his read on Cheery a trivial matter?
And can you quote exactly the nervous parts of those posts please.[/quote]
Reads in the beginning of the game are trivial because they per definition rely on gut, and it is very easy to backpedal out of them if you need to because of that.
"Nervousness" can't really be quoted, and certainly not exactly and in parts. It's an atmosphere created by the totality of words. His post 58 starts with an apologetic acquiescence, which shows a feeling of inferiority, in turn showing a feeling of nervousness. This is followed by an unnatural dissertation on the difference between L-2 and L-1. First he insists on the two being very different, then he reverts a bit by saying he doesn't mind either of them, but then after the comma exclaims more fondness for L-2, distancing himself yet again from L-1. I see no need for this distancing, yet he does, meaning it's an emotional response. Why give an emotional response over something so trivial? Nervousness.
In 59 with his read on Cheery Dog, there's just too many "but"'s. This transparent second-guessing does not give an air of calmness.
My position was the he seemed nervous. This wasn't good enough for you, but it is what I was thinking, so I answered your question right from the start as far as I'm concerned.
Oh come on, really? It should've been obvious when asking for thoughts that it implied what your position was on them.You asked me for my thoughts and I gave them. You didn't ask for a "stance".
Yes.
So he's null to you?My only stance is that I think he sounds nervous, which is possibly a scumtell, but not necessarily. I've seen people before who considered themselves easy targets, and people with that mindset tend to get nervous more easily, regardless of alignment.
I disagree. I would like to avoid a situation where someone positions themselves as a townleader through questioning rather than through answering.
This is a weird reason.In post 73, Grimgroove wrote:Oh, missed that:
@Ravenpaw:
And the reason I asked about Dyslexicon is 1. to pull you out of your unilateral questioning-status
I disagree. You're going to ask "Why?" now, aren't you? In post 32 he succesfully switched from the defensive stance to the attacking one, but the latter still feels more like a first line of defense rather than a true scumhunt.
Hmm I guess I can see that, but his other posts have been good, you agree/disagree?and 2. because I think he made the most memorable action of the first two pages and should be worth everyone's consideration.
His vote showed a certain carelessness that I'd associate with a town-mindset rather than a scummy one, but his reaction to when he finds out he put someone at L-1 sounded a bit too off-hand.
I haven't got a clear preference right now, I was considering voting Cheery Dog after my "sticks and dogs"-post, but I didn't feel it warranted an L-1.Also Grim, why aren’t you voting?
I will apply pressure as soon as I do have a preference."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Didn't mean to be mean, just so you know. I don't really have problems with your playstyle as such, but in this case your questions, the sheer amount of them, is so overwhelming it occupies most of the people's time. Time isn't endless. All the time spent on answering to your walls with walls, is time not spent on hunting scum. The walls themselves provide another hurdle to do as such.In post 107, Ravenpaw wrote:
Lol, okay darlingIn post 96, Grimgroove wrote:The bolded thing was a tongue-in-cheeck reference to the question-stream-style Ravenpaw adopts.
Now I am the last who should be complaining about walls, but I do try to keep some form of overview, be it through reads list, some general conclusion... Yet I don't see you do that. You ask 100 questions, and based on the 100 answers, you ask 200 more questions. Out of the answers you get you make a selection, you make a read, but it is very, very difficult to follow it all. If you're town, it would help us, and yourself, a lot to make some post where your main findings are summarized + main and secondary reasons for those findings.
Banksys Flareon put it much more eloquently (and shorter) than I could, and I agree with her statement wholeheartedly. I too, think you're scum. The accusations you've put forward so far seem meaningless. This is something i could not get from your interactions with others (due to the enormous amount of reading this involves), but your interactions with me. The way you ALWAYS add a question of your own when you answer a question of mine comes off as extremely defensive, and is very tiring for anyone who wants to interogate you. Despite you saying you love answering questions, this is not the impression you're giving me."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
:DDDDIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to. You seen comfortable with an OMGUS strategy, so I'll let the rest of the town decide what they think of that.
However, since this is a newbie game, and you are clearly a newbie, I will explain some mafia theory to you.
It is anti town to explain town reads (some people refuse to give them at all) because it gives scum information as to how to appear town in this specific game. It doesnt help us scum hunt. Town reads are meaningless and easily changed. All they serve to do is create clutter, meaningless content in which scum can hide and participate. "Posting content is good!" is the eternal cry of all newbies who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Any player, scum or otherwise, can post lots of content and be a little angel of organization and helpfulness. You are not that, but you seem to be trying to be.
As far as your OMGUS vote and my lack of having called you "he," you do what you think is best. I distinctly remember calling you he at some point, but if I didn't I guess you'd better lynch me.
@Cat Clancer: We don't need two idiots. Reread."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
Could you expand on your last sentence?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel BIn post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy. And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.Could you expand on your last sentence?
And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging [/quote]"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Of course not. If she called you an idiot, then it would not be getting my support, because you are clearly not. But it's just nice (with a lack for better words) to see someone express thoughts on your playstyle (?) that are exactly like my thoughts. That's what I was getting at with your unilateral questioning-thing. I feel Banksys did a really good job of getting that point across.In post 163, Ravenpaw wrote:
See it's comments like this that is making you look like her buddy Grim.In post 157, Grimgroove wrote:
I was a bit under the influence when saying that, but I must admit I rather appreciate Banksys style, she seems to be able to put things very eloquently. Rudish, but not too much. Brings in some spice!In post 151, Ravenpaw wrote:
Says the guy who says it's scummy to ask a lot of questions and not provide a thorough follow up on them every time.In post 137, Grimgroove wrote:
I love this personIn post 135, Banksys Flareon wrote:I see nothing in your most recent wall worth responding to.
Grim bus your buddy.
You are saying that calling people idiots is being eloquent?
I put a questionmark between brackets there. Because from the one game we've been in together, I don't remember this actually being your playstyle. On the cotnrary even, yes, you did ask questions, but the way I remember you was very brief posts, with one or two specific question tops. Your questions were also all pertinent. Here there's a big amount of questions that are not relevant.
As her buddy or as her scumbuddy?
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? Banksy is scum (<- this I am very confident on) and your support of her, and weird attacks on my playstyle are making me read you as her buddy.Could you expand on your last sentence?
This is not due to Banksys, but due to you. I guess you are my muse. I admit I have to read up on Cat's entrance for instance, or CheeryDog's stances on all of this, but if there's anything that made me lose touch with this game it's been your questioning. My vote on you may be my way of transferring my feelings of guilt over my laziness to you,b ut normally I'm really not a lazy player. You've seen me play. But you want me to respond to all this stuff, there simply is no time for me to get into anything else. This is an actual, real argument. My time is not infinite.And you do realise that all of your game related posts since #8 through to this one here #23 have either been a response to me or about me, right? It makes me wonder what you'd be doing without your muse here.
This is a fair request. I shall get on it within 48 hours!And Grim you never responded to my reply of your question here:
You have repeatedly said that I’m not doing enough with my questions, but you did exactly nought with this. Pot meet kettle?Tell me, what three questions that asked were by you of the most help to you, and should be of particular help to all of us, and why?
I'm still waiting for that case of yours btw, come on man don't leave me hanging"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 175, Ravenpaw wrote: Why did you attach that last part saying that "this is an actual, real argument"? Are you implying that your other arguments have not been real? That they are fake?
You cannot be serious?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 127, Ravenpaw wrote:And you're misrepping me again Grim, you say I ALWAYS add a question when I answer you, but this is incorrect, anyone reading my posts can see this. And the reason I did ask you questions is because I am trying to figure out your alignment.
Were you also serious here?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 176, Grimgroove wrote:In post 175, Ravenpaw wrote: Why did you attach that last part saying that "this is an actual, real argument"? Are you implying that your other arguments have not been real? That they are fake?
You cannot be serious?
So then.In post 178, Grimgroove wrote:In post 127, Ravenpaw wrote:And you're misrepping me again Grim, you say I ALWAYS add a question when I answer you, but this is incorrect, anyone reading my posts can see this. And the reason I did ask you questions is because I am trying to figure out your alignment.
Were you also serious here?
I really really don't feel like going into detail when analyzing everything Ravenpaw has been saying, it's too much. Ravenpaw, I've been ignoring your assignment of "finding three questions that were unhelpful" not because they don't exist (you yourself know that they do), but because 1. it is a tedious assignment in itself, even moreso because 2. I hold you capable of finding some farfetched reason for asking a certain question and attach some equally farfetched conslusion to it. I don't feel like entering that conversation.
Now I've been getting scummy vibes from you. Before I try to explain I must grant you several things: I'm not as active in this game as I usually am. Apart from you, Cheery Dog and Banksys, I have trouble even remebering who actually is in this game. Now, you can use this to discredit my view oàn you as much as you please, but my read on you, lazy as it may seem, is genuine, and with the aobve two posts I feel I can illustrate my main "beef" with you (or your playstyle). A similar thing is going on with this "he"-"she"-thing that's gonig on between you and banksys.
While during your questioning you may find and raise some good points, it's the above that gives you away in my eyes. Grasping at straws to somehow make your case gain weight. It feels so artificial.
The above struck me as odd.
You say I MISREP you by saying that you ALWAYS add questions of your own to answers that you give. First of all I don't like your inclination to pull that misrecard all the time. There are such things as interpretations as well, and also, like in my case, of agreed upon language. The word "always" is rarely meant to be taken seriously. OBviously you have been giving answers without adding a question to it. Me saying you always do that is not me saying you ALWAYS do that, it's just me saying I discerned a general trend where you do that. You turning this into a misrep shows you are intent on making me look bad.
The same for the other one. The fact that I added this is an "actual, real, argument"OBVIOUSLY does not mean that the other stuff I said wasn't. Reading it that way shows your questionable intentions when reading me. What I meant, and what I feel would be a more normal interpretation, is that the "time-argument" got ignored before, possible because people don't take it seriously. "There's always time", some people seem to think. There isn't. I wanted to stress this point by adding what I added.
You do not scumhunt Ravenpaw. You've got a pot of "scumpaint" and you use your brush on whoever you see fit. Hence my vote on you.
Now, I underqtand your request of me replacing out, I should read into other people as well. My promise to you: I will do this before the end of the day."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Just re-read through page 2 and 3 and I'm actually pretty angry with the way Ravenpaw hijacked my attention there. Just look for yourself. And it's so obvious now.
Ravenpaw, you commented on basically everything, but not on my first attempt at a case on Cheery Dog. Why was this irrelevant to you? You only mentioned it indirectly by asking BigTerp questions about it. Questions, all these questions.
And I didn't like your "Why did you ask?" after me asking for your read on Dyslexicon (post 70). Imagine having to answer that for every question you have asked. I reckon you'd be here for a while. Hijack. Plain and simple."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I don't like Cat's last post. Sounds mighty opportunistic and he doesn't give me the impression of knowing what's going on.
So, I'm going to reply to Ravenpaw again, but I invite everyone to read the game from the start again, and see how she has single-handedly made this topic a big ball of mess. She has to put half her posts in spoiler tags for damage control. We are on page 8!!!! Doesn't sound like someone reading too much into everything? This is paralyzing.
Of course I had an intention of concluding it, that's what I did. Not in the way you liked, but I did conclude. I kept the ball and ran off with it, to show everyone how you mistreated it.In post 192, Ravenpaw wrote:Another awesome wall that must be spoilered or else the masses will go blind with its awesomeness:
Spoiler:
No. It's very odd. Let's hope it's not a tumor.
There is no “she” thing. I have already explained the “he” thing very clearly.Now I've been getting scummy vibes from you. Before I try to explain I must grant you several things: I'm not as active in this game as I usually am. Apart from you, Cheery Dog and Banksys, I have trouble even remebering who actually is in this game. Now, you can use this to discredit my view oàn you as much as you please, but my read on you, lazy as it may seem, is genuine, and with the aobve two posts I feel I can illustrate my main "beef" with you (or your playstyle). A similar thing is going on with this "he"-"she"-thing that's gonig on between you and banksys.
Am I right in assuming you don’t find it odd that Banksy said she felt very bad about saying something that in reality never even occurred?
I was talking about your case against me, which is a bit (though slightly) less tedious to follow.
Explain what is wrong with my case on Banksy please.While during your questioning you may find and raise some good points, it's the above that gives you away in my eyes. Grasping at straws to somehow make your case gain weight. It feels so artificial.
1/ These are the questions that make you look bad. And you answering it yourself is even worse. This has got nothing to do with you questioning my choice of words. Argh. It just didn't seem important at the time, even though your literal interpretation of Always already annoyed me. But it kept nagging in my head. Now I burst.
Okay three things here:You say I MISREP you by saying that you ALWAYS add questions of your own to answers that you give. First of all I don't like your inclination to pull that misrecard all the time. There are such things as interpretations as well, and also, like in my case, of agreed upon language. The word "always" is rarely meant to be taken seriously. OBviously you have been giving answers without adding a question to it. Me saying you always do that is not me saying you ALWAYS do that, it's just me saying I discerned a general trend where you do that. You turning this into a misrep shows you are intent on making me look bad.
1) Why did you not say anything about this at the time if it so bothered you? Instead you decided to bring it into discussion only later when I questioned you about your odd wording.
2) Seeing as how this is a game done through text we have every right to analyse the words people use and question why they say certain things.
3) Calling out when a misrep happens is good, it shows that a person is looking at the facts.
2/ I really don't know what to say to that... Take it up to the Human Rights Watch? I never said you can't do what you're doing, I'm saying the way you're doing it is scummy.
3/ IT WAS NOT A MISREP, SO DO NOT CALL IT A MISREP!! It is not good. Do not talk about FACTS when in point 2 you talk about interpretations.
The rest later. Exhausted."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I get it. I'm going through something similar, but don't have the "luxury" of leaving the game.In post 202, BigTerp wrote:
I did not. I liked the fact that we had 2 people at L-2 early on. Was hoping to generate some movement, squirming, etc.Did you find Wolfie suspicious at the time for other reasons?
Yes, specifically Raven for reasons I posted here 190. But Banksys post 199 has got me scratching my head. The thread has been a real mess, so I could have easily missed it or forgotten, but I don't remember Banksys suspecting either one of these until just now. She's been on Ravens ass for the past 3-4 pages and then all of a sudden tells us we need to seriously look at Cat and Wolfie. I don't get it.Do you think there's likely to be scum among Raven and Banksys?
While his attention was also hijacked by Ravenpaw, it does let others slip under the net. I'm also having a faint gutreading and wariness of some people actively staying in the shadows, seemingly not too annoyed by all this fuss. The names Banksys mentioned fall under this description.
Now, of course if you say something like that, you have to make a case. But that lazy ass just left us hanging dry, so I guess I'll have to do it before Ravenpaw shows up and takes all my attention again. Both by being scummy and by trying to make me look bad.
Got good vibes from piegun, and liked dyslexicon's latest.
Cheery Dog, hmm, dangerous, going to read up on him. He was the one on my radar before Ravenpaw distracted me. MAybe she was distracting me from him.
Lots of stuff going on here though, that's for sure."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I hope there's no bad blood between us Ravenpaw. When I see you mention "my personal dislike of your posts" I fear that there is, so let me get out of the way first: I don't "dislike" your style as such, let alone you as a person. I myself am prone to walls and have had to face scrutiny because of it. Being short and concise is not my specialty. I grant you there was an element of frustration at play because somehow I was forced to invest a lot energy in something that seemed so senseless to me. But it's not a matter of dislike, it's a matter of scumminess.
What I find scummy about your posts in this game is not just the amount of questions (though it is also a factor), but mainly what they are about, and more importantly: what they aren't about. You ignoring my comments (I'd evenc all it the start of a case) on Cheery Dog but nitpicking on some L-1-L-2 semantics was the first time you rubbed me the scummy way, because you seemed very eager to get lost in the details. Now, maybe you are town and you are working up your way to something, but it's not the impression you've given me. Instead, it feels you post all these questions to A. somehow direct people's attention to where you want it to be, for whichever reason; B. nitpick on, in my view, inconsequential matters. When directing people's attention, you're essentially directing the thread. You become a townleader. But a townleader needs cases and I don't think that what you have contributed so far has shown us a good case, I'm sorry. 130 I guess you could call an effort, but a lot seems OMGUS (there's a lot of "me" inthere). 183 is the same, with some expansions. I don't think this constitute a case to be honest. MAybe now that the argument with Banksys lies a bit behind you, you can look at this more objectively yourself.
My read on Banksys is town, because I see where she is coming from in her posts, and her style was so confrontational it added to the feeling this person was confident that she was on to something. She engaged with you and with the game in a very hands-on way, admitted to being experienced (not hiding under some newb-status) and also her going-away present felt very town."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In post 207, Cat Clancer wrote:Ooh, a threat.
VOTE: Cat Clancer
Nobody said anything about "your posts about being busy".I apologize you guys don't like my posts about being busy, however I don't see how that's scum. I have other priorities over this.
That aside, every time I HAVE the time to explain my cases, I have. (disclaimer, instascum amirite?)
This is not apparent.Foremost, I have read the thread everyday. I know what's going on.
We're not asking for fluff. You just said you know what's going on. Please tell us what's going on.I don't like posting fluff IF I can avoid it.
Rephrase please. The way it reads now, this is a non-statement. The fluff you so eagerly want to avoid.Like I said in a previous post, either Raven or Blankys was I felt was town OR scum.
It's still the same slot, with the same role behind it. It's just a different person playing it now.Since Blankys is getting replaced, any reads I had on them are pretty much null and void. So, I'm not going to bother in great detail
Could you point me to Banksys' panic attack? Seems to be the core difference between Ravenpaw and her according to you, but I did not see any panicking.As for Raven, on the other hand, here's my thoughts.
Lot's of questions, follow-ups, seems pretty town so far. Gives good reason and asks good questions.
Bankys, on the other hand, would ask questions and follow-up, but would be very aggressive and attack when could not find sufficient evidence or could not properly explain. Either very defensive, or pancaking because they were scum. Raven would not panic, gives me the feeling they had nothing to hide.
Banksys prodding?Also, Dyslex, are you only voting for me because of "an opportunistic" post? Again, I'm sorry I don;t have time to post regularly. I do read what's going on everyday though. Or does it have to do with Blankys prodding?
Opportunism has got nothing to do with you not psoting regularly. It's about you taking an opportunistic stance in the Ravenpaw-Banksys-debate without displaying the slightest factual knowledge about their discussion.
Meh. Don't like to discuss anything that's go to do with replacings. Unnecessarily obfuscating things.To be honest, I have been considering asking for a replacement simply because I didn't have the time I thought I would have, and that's not fair to me or you guys. You depend on active people for information."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Oh, town vs town. Well, you can't be sure, can you?
I have given my views on Ravenpaw and why I think she's scum. If you feel my argumentation in this regard is severely lacking, please specify where.
My view remains unchanged, but other options need to be explored now. Cat Clancer first and foremost."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I will get to that later.In post 276, pieguyn wrote:Grimgroove and Dys, what are your opinions on Sakura so far?
Lame replacers, bah."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
You are mistaking.In post 284, Viera Assassin wrote: Grim your initial reason for scumreading Ravenpaw is because you liked Flareon's playstyle more in the Ravenpaw v Flareon shitstorm.
I was referring to the people replacing out, not to the wonderful people taking on the burden of replacing inDon't call me lame
Interesting. I find certainty in these matters always a tiny bit suspicious.Yes, I'm sure Ravenpaw vs Flareon is townvtown.
I will try to make the most of my day of respite. I thank you for your kindness!We lynch CD today and Grim tomorrow."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
lol, why aren't you lynched yet?In post 311, Sakura Hana wrote:Who the heck has 100% accurate reads on D1?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Word!In post 305, Ravenpaw wrote:never lynch Pie."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Please refrain from lying.In post 300, Viera Assassin wrote:
Nope. That is clearly what your ISO says.In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:You are mistaking.
Let's move the obvious away out of that sentence since that's talking about your slot and goes without saying, so shouldn't have been said:
I am certain since one of them is confirmed town to me and I don't have doubts about the other being town.In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:Interesting. I find certainty in these matters always a tiny bit suspicious.
Helpful.
I am certain since I don't have doubts about the other being town.In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:Interesting. I find certainty in these matters always a tiny bit suspicious.
What the hell are you talking about?
That WIFOM-storm, yeah?In post 288, Grimgroove wrote:I will try to make the most of my day of respite. I thank you for your kindness!
My vote on Sakura Hana will remain. Two person in the same slot looking equally scummy on D1, I don't see what more we could want.
Not too fond of Cheery Dog, my gut doesn't agree with him, but thank you for helping clear away the bullshit in Viera's cases.
Don't know what to think of Ravenpaw. Her backing off of me rubbed me the right way, shows flexibility in opinions that is more frequent in townies.
BigTerp, liked him somewhere around the middle but kind of forgetting about him.
Pieguyn obvtowning for our benefit. Dyslexicon looks town to me too."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I haven't looked that deeply into him or into your case on him, but during 292 and 318 I saw two striking instances that made me believe firmly in that slot being scum. I considered it confirmation of my thoughts surrounding Cat Clancer."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
In this case it's used in a scummy way. The word is made to express a non-commital remark that can later be referred to as a crucial element in a case.
Like what I did with Sakura Hana, but without the word "pinging". Because I don't care about being careful about my words. I think Sakura is scum and want him lynched.
Sakura is clearly not working with the same mindset with all his pinging.
Now unvote me, or at least spell my name right :p"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
@Derivan
Why are you intent on lynching liabilities to town rather than scum?
I don't think the amount of words spent in this game have amounted to a lot that is interesting. Lynching me over my probably temporary disinterest would be a mistake, culminating in a non-informative policy lynch killing one of the town.
I'll grant you that my last argument against Sakura, that splendid female I have so wrongfully misjudged as being a man, isn't the strongest but I explained why I don't like her using it. I've had this discussion before, over someone saying "yup" instead of "yes". I was wrong then, but I still stand by what I said then: word choices do matter. This is a word-based game. Scum thinks about their words more than town. If I feel a word is being used where it shouldn't be, or too much, my radar ... PINGS!!! Steam flows out of my ears. Visions play out in front of my very eyes. I type those visions down and what do I get? Some guy voting me close to deadline for no good reasons.
Shame on you.
I have answered pieguyn's question. Was that answer not to your liking, or have you not read it, despite my answer being in the hind of this ugly cow of a topic that you have decided to take on from behind."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Sakura Hana, is there nothing you would ask of me? I have noticed you ignoring me. Am I nothing but a fly on its way to burn itself by lingering on a halogen lamp or do you think me to be a malicious mosquito? Please state your opinion on me before some wagon forms allowing you to be opportunistic about this all and swap away a harmless fly, merely attracted by the stench of scum, under the pretext of you thinking worse of me."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
GOT YOU
Have you even seen the context of my votes being placed? Before asking this question?
I don't think you did.
Our replacement boy will frown upon this considering he's so into reading things correctly before speaking. Get ready for a vote.
Look at the vote count, and look at my position on the wagons. Note that I did not sheep on bigger wagons. I was one of the sturdy horses pulling them, with all my might and without care for my own well-being."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
Just checked, and I'm happy to report I guessed Derivan's gender correctly! I meant no disrespect if your age doesn't warrant you being called a boy anymore, it's just that your age is not visible under your avatar so I took a leap of faith."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier-
-
Grimgroove Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 3538
- Joined: March 27, 2013
I don't know how, I think it's a gift. But I know I got you by the obviously proverbial balls so it must be something.
I voted Ravenpaw for reasons stemming from deep within me. Flareon managed to draw them out in a more expediënt manner than Ravenpaw and her genius tactics of burrying me in posts could.
My vote on your slot has got nothing to do with your or your predecessor's "logic". Where did you get that idea?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier
-