Newbie 1428 Game Over

[Sakura Hana]

Hi Raven! You're pretty much my strongest townread atm, so a few questions
What do you think of VA's entrance? Does it lessen or strengthen your read on the slot? What do you think of my interactions with him.
I know him and I know I can never read him right, so an input from you would be nice.

[pieguyn]

Grimgroove and Dys, what are your opinions on Sakura so far?

[Nobody Special]

Michael_Wolf has been prodded.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.08

Sakura Hana - 3 - Dyslexicon, Grimgroove, pieguyn
Cheery Dog - 2 - Viera Assassin, Sakura Hana
BigTerp - 1 - Cheery Dog
Ravenpaw - 1 - BigTerp
Viera Assassin - 1 - Ravenpaw

Not Voting: Michael_Wolf

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-09-11 03:15:51)

V/LA: BigTerp through Sunday September 8; Cheery Dog through Monday September 9

[Viera Assassin]

Viera why did I get no red text flavour?

I ran out
At least I called you "named cat."

How do you know Banksy has a large voice when scum?

People complained about 1v1. I assumed the 1v1 was two loud townies.
Please don't ask why I know why Banksys is town because it's pretty obvious...

This is me yeah?

Yes, yes. That's where your name comes from, right?

Can you explain how it got out of hand?

If people complain about it/people start to move in to break it up/scum hide behind it/one of them replace out then yes it's out of hand. I believe all four happened.

Not exactly, Cheery was questioning me about my points. That seemed a bit townish to me, like he was following the debate and needed clarification on stuff. Though I concede it has bothered me that he hasn't supplied much else to the game. Like I now just realised he asked me to explain something in post #184 yet never followed up on it.

Questioning/pressure does not automatically equal town. You need to read the motives behind the questions and the pressure.

Actually, I think I read this wrong, you were saying that Grim was scum who was sheeping a townie who has a large voice yeah?

Grim is in full support of a TvT continuing. If that's not obvscum then...

[Grimgroove]

TvT?

[Grimgroove]

Oh, town vs town. Well, you can't be sure, can you?
I have given my views on Ravenpaw and why I think she's scum. If you feel my argumentation in this regard is severely lacking, please specify where.
My view remains unchanged, but other options need to be explored now. Cat Clancer first and foremost.

[Grimgroove]

Sakura Hana now.

[Grimgroove]

Grimgroove and Dys, what are your opinions on Sakura so far?

I will get to that later.
Lame replacers, bah.

[Viera Assassin]

Guys, weigh in on what you think of my reads and ask any questions you want to ask. I didn't throw them out there for nothing.

Grim your initial reason for scumreading Ravenpaw is because you liked Flareon's playstyle more in the Ravenpaw v Flareon shitstorm.

Don't call me lame

and
Yes, I'm sure Ravenpaw vs Flareon is townvtown.

Who cares about Clancer. Sakura looks town to me.

We lynch CD today and Grim tomorrow.

[Dyslexicon]

Way to tired to respond to everything right now.
But, Viera, who is U?^^

[Viera Assassin]

Way to tired to respond to everything right now.
But, Viera, who is U?^^

You probably wouldn't know my main.
You could ask around.
(Sakura dont tell hiiimmmmm)

[Dyslexicon]

Way to tired to respond to everything right now.
But, Viera, who is U?^^

You probably wouldn't know my main.
You could ask around.
(Sakura dont tell hiiimmmmm)

I is so curious, you have to tell me! Plzzzzztztzt! <3

[Grimgroove]

Grim your initial reason for scumreading Ravenpaw is because you liked Flareon's playstyle more in the Ravenpaw v Flareon shitstorm.

You are mistaking.

Don't call me lame

I was referring to the people replacing out, not to the wonderful people taking on the burden of replacing in

Yes, I'm sure Ravenpaw vs Flareon is townvtown.

Interesting. I find certainty in these matters always a tiny bit suspicious.

We lynch CD today and Grim tomorrow.

I will try to make the most of my day of respite. I thank you for your kindness!

[Cheery Dog]

I have null reads until I ISO.
ATM

This shows that the player is paranoid, so he doesnt know who's town or who's scum.

I see no paranoia there, just a lost player.
The need to ISO before producing reads means they're unsure of how to proceed, yes, but it's not paranoia. Well at least not the kind of paranoia I develop, which needs a read to start with.

Viera Assassin != how I play on my main.
At least, in mafia games.

I'm obvtown. Nao sheep me.

So it's how Jake plays instead?

Fine, I don't think you're fabricating those posts, you can go into the town bloc.
Now comes to the second part, why should i trust that your read on Cheery is right?

because an IC is voting someone based off silliness in RVS
and he sat back and watched the Flareon v Ravenpaw business happen

Is that not clear scum motivation or what

I believe I identified it at one point as possibly bussing, I don't have town reads on either of these slots, so there's no way I'm meant to know it's "town vs town" as you so claim. I may be inexperience challenged, but that doesn't mean I'm able to have pinpoint reads on people.

On the plus side, if he flips scum then we get 2 conf towns.

How?

Cheery may we have a list of your reads?

Nope, I hate the things. This is just a personal dislike though, whether you find them worthwhile is up to you.
I'm posted my opinions on everybody I have opinions on somewhere, and if people are too lazy to find them, or don't understand, then it's probably not a major enough read.

Not exactly, Cheery was questioning me about my points. That seemed a bit townish to me, like he was following the debate and needed clarification on stuff. Though I concede it has bothered me that he hasn't supplied much else to the game. Like I now just realised he asked me to explain something in post #184 yet never followed up on it.

You answered the 184, it answered my needs for the moment. Also Banksys replaced out about the same time, and as a whole I wanted to drop the whether gender pronouns being mixed up conversation.
If you want more, my thought process when reading that conversation was that she also had been called male in this game and did have a guilty feeling about wanting herself to be correct when wanting her own gender correct. In short I'm more of the belief that she did it by mistake. While that doesn't do much towards what your point was, I don't think it's heavily scum motivatied.

Grim is in full support of a TvT continuing. If that's not obvscum then...

He has a town read on your slot and a scum read on the other one that was invovled?
How is this a full support of a TvT continuing?

Also, Dsylexi, does this TvT thing that VA is trying to push on me look familiar to you?

[pieguyn]

I'm just wondering

Openly admitting to having no stance/struggling seems like a town move, or a bold one for scum.

no stance = town, then

I haven't had any really, which is fail on my part, but nothing has triggered me either way (which is how they've mostly be ignored so far)

CD
NO
CD
why
Yer supposed to stop the TvT
YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE

no stance = scum? and that quote wasn't even from Banksys vs. Ravenpaw, it was asking about Ravenpaw and Dyslexicon 0.0 it was after Banksys replaced but before the whole thing even started.

I believe I identified it at one point as possibly bussing, I don't have town reads on either of these slots, so there's no way I'm meant to know it's "town vs town" as you so claim. I may be inexperience challenged, but that doesn't mean I'm able to have pinpoint reads on people.

my god then he defended against it

I'll post more later when I've woken up = =

[Sakura Hana]

Fun Fact: Inactivity is anti town, 2.5 days till deadline
Gun in your head, your top 2 scumspects now.

For me: Cheery and Grimgroove, yes I agree with VA's reasons on that

[Grimgroove]

Shoo, away with you and your silly questions, answered by readings posts and looking at voting patterns.

[Sakura Hana]

You got something to hide?

Also any1 not in either of the 2 wagons should get in one, unless you rather the day end in No Lynch.

[Cheery Dog]

For me: Cheery and Grimgroove, yes I agree with VA's reasons on that

Can you explain the Grimmgroove one to me then? (and my own, but at least it's something that I can see I can be labelled as doing however stupid it is)

[Sakura Hana]

I already said I was sheeping VA's reasons on it, which means doing the same thing than you (standing back watching a potential TvT like he already knew it was TvT), barely bothering scumhunting and just going along VA's slot.
For you, you didnt directly interact with them, but just decided to stay back and watch, hence why my read on you is stronger, you're more experienced than grim, and grim could just be sheeping someone that claimed to be expert.

That's why I interacted with VA after replacing in, and I'd be willing to put him as town if he wasn't so hard to read for me (he has fooled me when he's scum already).

Why didnt you answer the question I gave? Do you realize that we should be starting to working towards today's lynch ASAP so we have enough time to analyze any claims?

[Cheery Dog]

Why didnt you answer the question I gave? Do you realize that we should be starting to working towards today's lynch ASAP so we have enough time to analyze any claims?

Because you haven't given me any questions maybe idk?
Yes I'm aware the deadline is approaching. However I'm not convinced that you're the correct lynch yet, so I'm refraining from putting you to L-1.

If you're sheeping it should mean you also know the answers to how it works and why me/grimm in particular are the culprits of this.

and if it's something to do with the main of Viera, then I shall just laugh at you. (I'm aware of who is behind the account)

[Sakura Hana]

Gun in your head, your top 2 scumspects now.

^
This.

[Cheery Dog]

That's not a question. Or even directed at anybody.

and no you're still no getting any form of reads list other than what you can pick up from my posts.

[Ravenpaw]

This is me yeah?

Yes, yes. That's where your name comes from, right?

Indeed, I was just a bit surprised someone recognised it.

Can you explain how it got out of hand?

If people complain about it/people start to move in to break it up/scum hide behind it/one of them replace out then yes it's out of hand. I believe all four happened.

You believe Banksy replaced out because she couldn't handle the 1v1?
Also, VA, how do you justify Banksy's blatant misrep of me in post #119 when she said I left my vote on Big for a long time to come, when anyone actually reading the thread can see this is obviously incorrect?

Actually, I think I read this wrong, you were saying that Grim was scum who was sheeping a townie who has a large voice yeah?

Grim is in full support of a TvT continuing. If that's not obvscum then...

Ah VA, I feel like you're trying to be manipulate me here by waving the oh so tempting idea of Grimscum in front of my face. It's far too easy to jump on his actions as scummy, especially from my pov when all he has done is basically tunnel me all game.
VA I am certain you are scum, and my analysis of Grim and your slot's interactions with him don't look like buddies to me (anymore).

Btw you never answered this:

These questions are too general.
Like I'd bother. that's just me, most other players will if you ask nicely

How are Big’s questions too general? And why not answer them?

~

Hi Raven! You're pretty much my strongest townread atm, so a few questions
What do you think of VA's entrance? Does it lessen or strengthen your read on the slot? What do you think of my interactions with him.
I know him and I know I can never read him right, so an input from you would be nice.

VA’s entrance was okay, he has a nice disposition. My read stays the same; he has done nothing that looks townie to me, so still scum.
Sakura your comment about what I think about your interactions with him pings my scumdar. Why does this matter to you? Especially given you now say that VA is town??
I’ve said you’re in my townpile so obviously I don’t think you two are partners…but this I’m not too sure about anymore.