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I do not know if this means anything, but I think it will be worth a note here. Doing a little metagaming on OJ. Seems that vote with no explanation is pretty constant (one game 6 pages, two posts, both votes without content or explanation). It looks like he usually is lynched pretty early on for this play style. SO he could be a great mafia target.
However, this means little to me in this game. I still would like him to comment.
OJ please address some of the concerns that have been ask of you.
This seems like a huge leap of logic for a vote with no explanation.The Deepfried Ninja wrote: When I used the word bandwagon I was speaking about a hypothetical situation in which OJ is mob. In thishypotheticalOJ does not want to play the silly joke-vote in the beginning of the game, he wants us to lynch a townie. To achieve this goal he is not going to just pick a random player to vote because there is no guarantee whatsoever that we will follow suit, so he picks a player that already has a base of votes against him, in this situation myself.
[hypotherical] Oj=Mob [hypothetical/] OJ sees a player with 2 votes against him he figures he will add a third vote and hopefully either another townie or another mafia member will put on a fourth vote. From there someone distorts some quotes about something, and a fifth and hopefully sixth vote follow over the next few days. Im not saying that this is the scumteam's master plan, but what if OJ just thought he would take a stab in the dark to see if it would stick.
So to answer your question I was just concerned about OJ trying to incite the masses towards a lynch on THE FIRST PAGE THE GAME!!!Everyone else is also a little perturbed by this 3rd vote on the first page so maybe it is something we should pay attention to.
Guess my question here is this, if it has set off “huge alarms in your head” why only FoS him and keep your vote on a “random” target?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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and where exactly isThe Deepfried Ninja wrote:^^because I am not totally sure yet that OJ is guilty. I don't want to be irresponsibly throwing votes around so early in the game.
Lets see what he says about it and see if anyone tries to protect him.yourvote right now?
My problem here is this, you created a 3 paragraph scenario of the mafia’s grand scheme to eliminate you from the game and proclaiming that “OJ wants to lynch a townie” all based on one vote without an explanation. After all of this, you only FoS him. You obviously think he is scummy because you are keeping an eye out for anyone who “tries to protect him”. Then you state you do not want to be “irresponsibly throwing around votes” but you keep your random vote on vollkan. This doesn’t seem consistent to me. If you are town isnt it your “responsibility” to lynch scum?
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OJ, just because I have unvoted you, doesn’t mean I do not hear your explanation of “why did you place a third vote day 1 without an explanation”NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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right now, you and OJ are the discussionThe Deepfried Ninja wrote:alright i realize that my 3 page manifesto followed by no vote looks really dumb. I have no answer for u Im sorry I screwed up. Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions. lets just watch the discussion unfold and try to find some scum.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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and why do you think he is scum?Elias_the_thief wrote:To me it seems that DFN does not do so great under pressure, but I'm not sure if the way he acted is indicative or scum or town. I'm thinking OJ is scum however. Again, I'm not doing anything til he explains himself, and/or kerplunk actually posts something.
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I do not think he actually changed his vote...his only post thus far was that unvote/vote...he never posted before that..unless I am missing it.vollkan wrote:
As for OJ, I want him to answer this: What prompted you to change your vote?
I admit that I will be skeptical if you say it was random because you did not give any attempt at a comical explanation (though, admittedly, 99.9% of attempts at random joke humour fail miserably at being even remotely amusing).NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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well when one types "unvote" you would think that he had a vote to unvote.vollkan wrote:
You're right. I thought he changed becausecuriouskarmadog wrote: I do not think he actually changed his vote...his only post thus far was that unvote/vote...he never posted before that..unless I am missing it.Elias_the_thief wrote: why the vote shift oj?
my read on oj is he is not reading any of his games and he is just voting....
I think he should be prodded if he does not post soon, and then replaced. he is only going to hurt to the town.
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you caught this before I could comment.vollkan wrote:
Not really that existent either.TFN wrote:
Not really that scummy but the purpose of this post is to make sure i remain in the cross hairs, because he wants the focus of the group off himself and his mob friends.CKD wrote: the discussion is on you and OJ
CKD in post #47:CKD wrote:
right now, you and OJ are the discussionTFN wrote: alright i realize that my 3 page manifesto followed by no vote looks really dumb. I have no answer for u Im sorry I screwed up. Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions. lets just watch the discussion unfold and try to find some scum.
DFN, again, you have developed some scum plot. However, this time you not only take my words out of context, but you edit them as well.
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The Deepfried Ninja wrote:i answered that question
you typed it? Then why did you display it as a quote and not use ""?The Deepfried Ninja wrote:i thought i knew it word for word and just typed it, sorry
Your case against me is absolutely ridiculous!
First of all, I was pointing out your inconsistencies. Which you agreed your case against OJ was “dumb”
now you have concocted yet another mafia scheme to off you. Your case against me has no merit. The fact you try to deflect guilt with ludicrous nonsense is quite telling. My current read on you is that you are first time mafia and you do not know how to get the ball rolling or a townie with an itchy lynching hand. Which is it?The Deepfried Ninja wrote:alright i realize that my 3 page manifesto followed by no vote looks really dumb. I have no answer for u Im sorry I screwed up. Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions. lets just watch the discussion unfold and try to find some scum.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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well this was uncalled for..you presented cases, both were shut down, then you jump to insults...The Deepfried Ninja wrote:hey volkan Im sorry I dont have as much experience as you. Im trying to just play the game and have fun, but everything i type is met with condescending negativity.
Im sorry if my posts don't meet up to your standards, it doesn't mean you have to talk to me like im six years old. All i did was ask what u thought of my post, and u come back with this pompous attitude like ur too good for it. Stop being such a dick.
Keep a cool head, guys. -Mod
no one was talking to you like a 6 year old...however it does shed light on your maturity when you call someone a "dick".NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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you understand if everyone played like you, we would not have a game, right?Nelly632 wrote:I dont think there is a Jester in this game just me... I honestly think that alot of you in this game are foolish and I want to see how far your foolishness will go...
I am TOWNIE and I am voting for myself... You all vote for me and you will be lynching a Townie on DAY ONE...
LET THE FUN BEGIN!!!
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it is 6 to lynch..
he is at 5..
he is not at -3, he is at -1...
old school huh? maybe they had issues with counting votes back in the day.
I think Nelly might be town, bored with the game and wants out..
if that is true...lets replace him first.
Nelly, provide content, or ask for a replacement..
your current play style is going to get you lynched!NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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if you are a townie..and you see yourself at -1...why would you not remove your vote and help the town?Nelly632 wrote:What more content do you want... I am TOWNIE... There is your content... What would you like me to pull my vote off myself?
what do you think about the vote surge on you?
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so you know he is at -1...but you will not remove your vote?Elias_the_thief wrote:um, yes? we would?
Para, I mean that will get evidence later in the game, and I will use the previous suspicion in later cases.
dont you want to hear his content before he is lynched by prematurely?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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this is by far the scummiest sentences thus far in this game...Paradoxombie wrote:
Unfortunately(unless he's mafia), he's forced our hand. It's 100% necessary to lynch someone who doesn't play.
that puts him at -3 I believe
100% necessary? Forced our hand? -3?
If he doesnt want to post then he is replaced...someone is hungry for a lynch..why is that?...NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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you are a one shot vig?
Well, I think both Oman, Para, and elias are suspect..
of course, SPAG really has not done anything..
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thoughts on everyone thus far.
i am highly suspicious of elias and para at this point. they both (along with oman) jumped on the nelly wagon very fast.
Vollkan is now a confirmed vig and will likely be nked. thank you for your help day 1, your contribution is appreciated.
Pulsewidth, spag, thehermit, and sir tornado have not really posted enough to warrant a judgement right now either way.
gorckat has not posted the whole game (i think) and as i thought dfn has disappeared
so..Requesting a prod for gorckat and dfn, please.
Gorckat posted today. DFN will be prodded tomorrow. Don't bother asking me to prod someone if it hasn't been 72 hours without a post yet. -Mod
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Maybe it is because of the self vote, but I am thinking that nelly is just newbie town. A guess would be that he wanted to pull an “i told you I was town” type comment once lynched. Sort of guessing here though. Oman places his vote on him gives him some town creds anyway. Nelly, your thoughts on this?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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jesus, I am sorry..you have posted...and a lot..I guess I thought you hadnt because we have not had any interaction yet in this game...ugh..sorry gorckat (and Mod)gorckat wrote:Is that the same ckd that posted the rest of the game? I've been here all along...at the top of this page even!
What makes you think the scum will kill volkan?
not that I am a fan of answering a question with a question, but what makes you think that vollkan will not be NKed by the mafia?NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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gorckat wrote:np- there's been a fair amount of dust swirling here and there
What makes you think asking me about asking you why you think volkan won't get NK'd will get an answer
On the level- I'd like you to answer my question first, and Nelly, too. Why is it neccessary to direct a Doctor to protect volkan?
ok, well seems to me that vollkan is a town aligned vig, thus the public demostration of his kill. It is in the mafia best interest to keep confirmed townies at a mininum...there is no point for the mafia to take one of us out, when there is a confirmed townie. the mafia wants to have the most unconfirmed townies voting as possible.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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Well, he will not be lynched Day 1 (because he did hit scum)…so we will see if he isn’t Nked. Also, now I have never been in a game with a vig, but couldn’t he have PMed his choice for a kill? Seems to me, if he was mafia, being quiet about the kill would have helped out the mafia more.Elias_the_thief wrote:
Vollkan is not cleared. It could easily be a gambit to make one of the scum appear confirmed in our eyes.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is an open setup. There are 3x mafia, 3x masons that win with the town, and1x day-vig that can be amafia, mason or townie.
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what are you suggesting? We lynch him day 1 and find out?Elias_the_thief wrote:
Why do you think he's town aligned? One mafioso dead in return for having one be confirmed in the eyes of the town? Seems like a sacrifice any mafia group would be willing to make.curiouskarmadog wrote: ok, well seems to me that vollkan is a town aligned vig, thus the public demostration of his kill. It is in the mafia best interest to keep confirmed townies at a mininum...there is no point for the mafia to take one of us out, when there is a confirmed townie. the mafia wants to have the most unconfirmed townies voting as possible.
I said he his town in my book until DAY 2...but if I had money, I would put it on vollkan being NK tonight.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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dont think you are stupid scum, when you voted it wasnt really a wagon...you stated you wanted to pressure Nelly…and you did. Thus you still can be scum, but not be “stupid”.Elias_the_thief wrote:
I know very well that my scum record does not preclude me from being caught. I'm trying to say, I'm not stupid scum. Read my other games as scum, jumping on a wagon and hoping for a quicklynch (unless its LYLO already) is not my style.gorckat wrote:
Your record as scum does not preclude you from being caught out here.
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you assume too much...all I said is he is not my target come Day 1TheHermit wrote:
Oooooor the mafia could simply pick somebody else to kill tonight and laugh as we lynch the townie dayvig tomorrow. If they're really crafty, they'd worm some way into making his survival looks suspicious so that the dayvig would be forced to lash out at one of his attackers, possibly killing another townie. Hey! Sorta like what you're doing!curiouskarmadog wrote:I said he his town in my book until DAY 2...but if I had money, I would put it on vollkan being NK tonight.
FOS: curiouskarmadog
He's confirmed as the dayvig. He's not confirmed scum or town. Even the night won't change that... well, unless he turns up dead in the morning.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I have stated numerous times that I feel vollkan is town...ELias keeps arguing with me on this point. I stated I feel Vollkan is at least cleared Day 1 in my book, he argued again…why do you think he is arguing with me on this point?Sir Tornado wrote:
I do not like this post at all CKD. Elias suggested nothing of that sort. This is, actually a suggestion you just made in that post and tried to shove it on Elias. I find this really scummy.curiouskarmadog wrote:
what are you suggesting? We lynch him day 1 and find out?Elias_the_thief wrote:
Why do you think he's town aligned? One mafioso dead in return for having one be confirmed in the eyes of the town? Seems like a sacrifice any mafia group would be willing to make.curiouskarmadog wrote: ok, well seems to me that vollkan is a town aligned vig, thus the public demostration of his kill. It is in the mafia best interest to keep confirmed townies at a mininum...there is no point for the mafia to take one of us out, when there is a confirmed townie. the mafia wants to have the most unconfirmed townies voting as possible.
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For what it is worth here, I think Elias and Hermit (will provide a PBP if needed) has had some very scummy play here, Day 1. However, I do not think either should be the lynch today. I think Para would be the play for today. He put Nelly at –1 and gave us a bunch of crap to explain why…
Now that Vollkan and Elias has been going round and round he has disappeared and has not provided feedback either way.
I think some pressure needs to be applied on Para.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I think I reversed gorckat and SPAG on this postcuriouskarmadog wrote: Pulsewidth, spag, thehermit, and sir tornado have not really posted enough to warrant a judgement right now either way.
gorckat has not posted the whole game (i think) and as i thought dfn has disappeared
so..Requesting a prod for gorckat and dfn, please.
Gorckat posted today. DFN will be prodded tomorrow. Don't bother asking me to prod someone if it hasn't been 72 hours without a post yet. -Mod
Modcan you prod SPAG too?..oh yeah, happy birthdayNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I guess when you say your “logic” you mean this post.
I say you look lynch hungry, then your point your finger at me. Which is crap. Please quote me and offer some sort of case where I have been lynch crazy. Not for replacing people, is also crap. Seems to me that lurkers are easy targets for mafia…Paradoxombie wrote:
Yes. I didn't realize he was near a lynch so I made casual and incomplete count. My fault entirely. But take notice that I said, "I believe." It's important to account for human error.curiouskarmadog wrote: did you miscount?
I find it a little pointless to bother asking players if they're doing things for antitown purposes; the answer is always "no"
As a note, I obviously didn't realize I was putting him at -1, but like I said, unless he starts actually playing, we're gonna lynch him anyway.
If anyone here is hungry for a lynch, it's you, for me, because you seem pretty damn worried about your little friend Nelly and quick to deflect suspicion to me.curiouskarmadog wrote:
this is by far the scummiest sentences thus far in this game...Paradoxombie wrote:
Unfortunately(unless he's mafia), he's forced our hand. It's 100% necessary to lynch someone who doesn't play.
that puts him at -3 I believe
100% necessary? Forced our hand? -3?
If he doesnt want to post then he is replaced...someone is hungry for a lynch..why is that?...
Anyway if ABR is willing to replace Nelly, then that's that, but I am against it for ethical reasons. I don't believe in replacing except for disapearing and direct gamebreaking.
If we let someone live who isn't gonna post any content then we have no way of knowing if they're mafia. Therefore we will never lynch them, and are possibly letting mafia have a vote all game along with their free pass. Therefore the only logical choice is to lynch him now. I'd say there's a slightly higher chance that he's a townie since mafia seem less likely to end up bored and expirimenting in games. But hey, it's not that much worse odds than the average day 1 lynch.
The whole last paragraph is completely out there. Basically you say lynching lurkers is a good idea day 1. no…it isn’t. this to me indicates that you want to get the Night 1 as soon as possible. If you lynch a lurker it gives you exactly ZERO information Day 2 to work off of…replace the lurker is always the way to go.
Yeah, your statements are really based firmly on logic.
Basically your whole contribution to this game was putting someone at –1 following a dead scum. What scum are you currently rooting out? Currently your vote is on a dead guy.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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SPAG posted yesterday. I mean seriously man, you even quoted the part where I say the requirements for a prodcuriouskarmadog wrote:
I think I reversed gorckat and SPAG on this postcuriouskarmadog wrote: Pulsewidth, spag, thehermit, and sir tornado have not really posted enough to warrant a judgement right now either way.
gorckat has not posted the whole game (i think) and as i thought dfn has disappeared
so..Requesting a prod for gorckat and dfn, please.
Gorckat posted today. DFN will be prodded tomorrow. Don't bother asking me to prod someone if it hasn't been 72 hours without a post yet. -Mod
sorry I guess his two posts just seem like he hasnt posted or offered anything..must have missed that post yesterday
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the short of it is this...
I feel like Para is scum and should be the lynch of the day.
I have watched the interactions between you/Elias/The Hermit and want to see how it plays out. I do not have a problem with your playstyle and feel like much information is being obtained (if not indirectly). I do not feel like a Hermit lynch will provide much information for Day 2…and if had to pick between Hermit or Elias would lean toward Elias.
I am concerned with the lack of much of anything from Sir Tornado, Para, Pulse, SPAG, Gorkat, and DFN(Jordan)..with a Deadline pending, got a feeling some mafia might be lurking.
Speaking of pulse, I'm currently looking for a replacement for him. -ModNO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I see that Oman voted right before Para, but that still would have put him at –3 with Para’s vote –2.
Mostly it is this post
“never lynched mafia Day 1”..sounds like to me that he is trying to find something to fall back on once Nelly comes up town. “Well, I told you I was bad at lynching mafia”. “He has force our hand”? What had he done to force our hand? There were other people that were down right lurking at that point..why didn’t that force his hand? I think he voted for Nelly because Nelly had some votes and he was hoping for a quick lynch. Then he puts in the “unless he’s mafia” comment. I just didn’t like. Why did you need to put that in? SO if he was mafia, he didn’t force our hand? To me, this posts smells like someone who has knowledge that Nelly is town.Paradoxombie wrote:
Well I've never lynched a mafia on day one. =(
Vote:Nelly632
Unfortunately(unless he's mafia), he's forced our hand. It's 100% necessary to lynch someone who doesn't play.
that puts him at -3 I believe
Then post 154, he tries to spin it where I look scummy by saying I was hungry for a lynch…Which was absurd.
Now we have a deadline, he is just lurking…I bet that if the pressure where turned up, he would start chatting all of the sudden.NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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before you take a quote out of context, could you please provide a post number....Paradoxombie wrote:
Wow talk about hypocritical, I have 4 posts chronologically between your last two which were like 6 days apart, and I think each of them is larger than both your's combined.curiouskarmadog wrote:
speaking of sitting in the shadows..Paradoxombie wrote:I haven't had a chance to reread and post yet guys. Hopefully tommorow.
I'll admit I don't enjoy rereading and I had hoped that current convo would reveal scum before I'd have to, and I forgot about the deadline. But seriously, CKD your posting has gone down alot compared to when you were posting every ten minutes trying to attack me and save Nelly. You sure put alot of effort into that, alot more than I'd expect a townie to want to save another.
btw, I just noticed this flipping back:
I don't like this quote at all.curiouskarmadog wrote:who is definately town?
1. It's pretty stupid not to realize that we aren't sure if anyone is town.
2. It looks like trying to figure who's best to NoKill/whether or not people still suspect volkan.
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Found it post 179. What did Para fail to mention? It was response to Oman’s quote previous to.
I felt that Oman was scum, and I wanted to know who he felt was “definitely town”? It would have provide some insights. Which he answered later (answer himself)Oman wrote:Well, a very intricate plan, but sadly, I am just cautionary atm. I've had bad experiences with Vigs and I do just want to wait for everyone.
What do you mean the word "prefer" is incriminating, if I'd said "NO WAIT" that would be stupid, I'm not the boss of you.
I have reasons not to like your whole plan, even the claim came off a bit suspect, but if no-one counters I'm willing to believe you.
Also, the vig doesn't neccasarily have to be townie.
I approve of your plan, considering option 2 was to kill me, I would rather you hit what is potentially scum then what isdefinatly town, bad habit.
So you try to take ANYTHING out of context to begin a case on me?
I think it is quite scummy to pull a quote out of context to use it for your benefit. Of course you don’t provide a post number for it. If anyone goes back to read it, they will immediately see it was a question toward Oman, who we all know if scum…dead scum. I wanted to know who scum thought was “town”. This question was not directed to the town. This had nothing to do with vollkan…personally I think YOU know the mafia will want to kill vollkan (our one shot vig) and you want to try to set me up for it. So you take a quote out of context and lie about it to form a case..Paradoxombie wrote:
I don't like this quote at all.
1. It's pretty stupid not to realize that we aren't sure if anyone is town.
2. It looks like trying to figure who's best to NoKill/whether or not people still suspect volkan.
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TOWN: please go back and read the actual quote placing…you will see para is trying anything to deflect suspicion on himself!
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I am not sure enough that Hermit is scum..(currently with his self vote he is at -2). I think that without the replacements here we will probably have a no lynch. For the record I would rather no lynch then lynch someone who I am uncertian of. I think that Para (or Elias) are the way to go...I think Hermit is an overzealous idiot townie....did Hermit ever vote for Nelly? I will have to go back and check, seems to me that he would have gotten a vote in there to lynch Nelly is he was scum.
Hermit, remove your vote from yourself if you are town. If you are town and you hang yourself you are not saying "look I told you so"...you are displaying your immaturity..more like "fine, I am going to take my ball and go home"...be a man, and fight with your last breath. I can show you plenty of times I was lynched Day 1 or 2 as town and kept pointing fingers as I went...it didnt help me when I was hung, but it helped the town in later parts of the game....dont be immature...dont be a bad townie....if you are dead, and the town still wins, it counts as a win for you...NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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I would rather lynch Para, for lies upon mis truths...but if the time comes I will vote Elias...I am not sold on Hermit and if everything remains constant will not vote for him Day 1.vollkan wrote:
If it comes down to a deadline, I favour lynching (in order):
1) Elias (on that note:Unvote, Vote: Elias_the_thief; then VERY closely followed by
2) Hermit; then
3) Para
I've never been in this sort of deadline situation before and it is rather frustrating because I don't know the best way to deal with it. Usually it is the person with the most votes and, hence, the number of votes is never really an issue. We may even need some kind of democratic system among the 7 of us, if worst comes to worst (hence why I listed)NO YOU'RE OVER DEFENSIVE-
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