Mini 486: GAME OVER!

[Elias_the_thief]

Whoa. I guess Albert is against that kind of humour. Anyways, Im still waiting for an answer from oj as to why he jumped on.

Looks like I'm just as bad as Oman when it comes to jokes.. -Mod

[vollkan]

oj's vote-change is quite odd, particularly given that he didn't even provide anything with it (even a random jokey thing).

I have a

question for the mod

- On page 1 you say:

With 12 alive, its 6 to lynch!

Can you just confirm that is correct? In most games I have played it is usually 7 out of 12 needed to lynch (or the equivalent sort of thing like 4 out of 7, 3 out of 4 etc.).

[The Deepfried Ninja]

lol kitten ninjas

seriously though, oj putting me at three votes says to me he is trying to start an early bandwagon. With NO JOKE????

Or he could be innocent trying to see what scum has the balls to go for vote 4. either way i have my eye on him, huge

FOS on OJ

.

[Nelly632]

WOW... OJ really jumped the gun on that one didnt he, here we all are having a little fun with the random stage and he comes out of nowhere with a 3rd vote without even a stupid joke cracked behind it...

OJ you have some explaining to do...

I have got no problem quick lynching a person who acts this ODD in the random stage and doesnt want to explain it...

Like wise Ninja

FOS on OJ

[Elias_the_thief]

DFN (deepfriedninja, i will address you as thus if you dont mind) What exactly is wrong witha bandwagon in your opinion?

[The Deepfried Ninja]

I would love to clarify.

When I used the word bandwagon I was speaking about a hypothetical situation in which OJ is mob. In this

hypothetical

OJ does not want to play the silly joke-vote in the beginning of the game, he wants us to lynch a townie. To achieve this goal he is not going to just pick a random player to vote because there is no guarantee whatsoever that we will follow suit, so he picks a player that already has a base of votes against him, in this situation myself.

[hypotherical] Oj=Mob [hypothetical/] OJ sees a player with 2 votes against him he figures he will add a third vote and hopefully either another townie or another mafia member will put on a fourth vote. From there someone distorts some quotes about something, and a fifth and hopefully sixth vote follow over the next few days. Im not saying that this is the scumteam's master plan, but what if OJ just thought he would take a stab in the dark to see if it would stick.

So to answer your question I was just concerned about OJ trying to incite the masses towards a lynch on THE FIRST PAGE THE GAME!!!Everyone else is also a little perturbed by this 3rd vote on the first page so maybe it is something we should pay attention to.

It is way to early for me to say anything about any player in the game, but OJ definitely set off some alarms in my head and hopefully this post will explain to you why.

DFN is perfectly fine by the way, I appreciate your courtesy.

[SPAG]

FOS on ojpower

very strange behaviour.

[vollkan]

When I used the word bandwagon I was speaking about a hypothetical situation in which OJ is mob. In this hypothetical OJ does not want to play the silly joke-vote in the beginning of the game, he wants us to lynch a townie. To achieve this goal he is not going to just pick a random player to vote because there is no guarantee whatsoever that we will follow suit, so he picks a player that already has a base of votes against him, in this situation myself.

[hypotherical] Oj=Mob [hypothetical/] OJ sees a player with 2 votes against him he figures he will add a third vote and hopefully either another townie or another mafia member will put on a fourth vote. From there someone distorts some quotes about something, and a fifth and hopefully sixth vote follow over the next few days. Im not saying that this is the scumteam's master plan, but what if OJ just thought he would take a stab in the dark to see if it would stick.

So to answer your question I was just concerned about OJ trying to incite the masses towards a lynch on THE FIRST PAGE THE GAME!!!Everyone else is also a little perturbed by this 3rd vote on the first page so maybe it is something we should pay attention to.

First of all, it is most likely 7 votes needed to lynch, not 6.

As such, I don't quite get why you develop this hypothetical scum plan.

I mean, certainly Oj's vote is very odd, I don't think anyone would deny that; but it didn't actually bring you anywhere near danger of being hastily lynched.

A scum plot by Oj to lynch you would require 4 additional votes and, in the meantime, not a single pro-town player to notice something suss about the case. You suggested people could be pulled onto the wagon by "distorting" quotes, but I very much doubt that a case founded on something so weak would ever get through.

I am guessing that is why Elias asked you

What exactly is wrong witha bandwagon in your opinion?

The bandwagon of 3 is not, in itself, particularly exceptional; I've seen random vote wagons of 3 before.

The issue for me is not the wagon, it's the fact that Oj made his vote without any explanation. It clearly wasn't just random and yet he gave absolutely nothing with it.

As for your "incite the masses towards a lynch on THE FIRST PAGE THE GAME!!!" you seem to be trying to inflate the severity of what Oj did as much as possible, which is interesting in itself as a possible OMGUS.

[TheHermit]

I'm here! I'm alive! Nobody vote me off for being inactive!

However, it IS 7:30 in the morning where I am and I haven't gone to bed yet, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning (uh, afternoon?) to read through the thread.

[gorckat]

What's missing from the speculation and hyperbole (I'm gonna look that up

after

I use it) are oj's comments.

I agree his action was questionable. I also agree with volkan about the rather dramatic way DFN wants to rile us up.

[curiouskarmadog]

I do not know if this means anything, but I think it will be worth a note here. Doing a little metagaming on OJ. Seems that vote with no explanation is pretty constant (one game 6 pages, two posts, both votes without content or explanation). It looks like he usually is lynched pretty early on for this play style. SO he could be a great mafia target.

However, this means little to me in this game. I still would like him to comment.

OJ please address some of the concerns that have been ask of you.

When I used the word bandwagon I was speaking about a hypothetical situation in which OJ is mob. In this

hypothetical

OJ does not want to play the silly joke-vote in the beginning of the game, he wants us to lynch a townie. To achieve this goal he is not going to just pick a random player to vote because there is no guarantee whatsoever that we will follow suit, so he picks a player that already has a base of votes against him, in this situation myself.

[hypotherical] Oj=Mob [hypothetical/] OJ sees a player with 2 votes against him he figures he will add a third vote and hopefully either another townie or another mafia member will put on a fourth vote. From there someone distorts some quotes about something, and a fifth and hopefully sixth vote follow over the next few days. Im not saying that this is the scumteam's master plan, but what if OJ just thought he would take a stab in the dark to see if it would stick.

So to answer your question I was just concerned about OJ trying to incite the masses towards a lynch on THE FIRST PAGE THE GAME!!!Everyone else is also a little perturbed by this 3rd vote on the first page so maybe it is something we should pay attention to.

This seems like a huge leap of logic for a vote with no explanation.

Guess my question here is this, if it has set off “huge alarms in your head” why only FoS him and keep your vote on a “random” target?

[The Deepfried Ninja]

u guys are right it was a little dramatic.

[curiouskarmadog]

u guys are right it was a little dramatic.

still didnt answer my question.

[The Deepfried Ninja]

^^because I am not totally sure yet that OJ is guilty. I don't want to be irresponsibly throwing votes around so early in the game.

Lets see what he says about it and see if anyone tries to protect him.

[curiouskarmadog]

^^because I am not totally sure yet that OJ is guilty. I don't want to be irresponsibly throwing votes around so early in the game.

Lets see what he says about it and see if anyone tries to protect him.

and where exactly is

your

vote right now?

My problem here is this, you created a 3 paragraph scenario of the mafia’s grand scheme to eliminate you from the game and proclaiming that “OJ wants to lynch a townie” all based on one vote without an explanation. After all of this, you only FoS him. You obviously think he is scummy because you are keeping an eye out for anyone who “tries to protect him”. Then you state you do not want to be “irresponsibly throwing around votes” but you keep your random vote on vollkan. This doesn’t seem consistent to me. If you are town isnt it your “responsibility” to lynch scum?

Unvote

OJ, just because I have unvoted you, doesn’t mean I do not hear your explanation of “why did you place a third vote day 1 without an explanation”

[pulsewidth]

unvote

Sucks that random stage is over so quickly.

FoS

on both ojpower and DFN for obvious reasons.

[vollkan]

^^because I am not totally sure yet that OJ is guilty. I don't want to be irresponsibly throwing votes around so early in the game.

Er...putting someone at 3 votes (what would happen if you had voted OJ, though now it would only be 2 votes because karma has unvoted) in the current situation is not irresponsible when you have good grounds for suspicion (such as you had for OJ).

Your answer to karma's question really doesn't sit right with me given how emphatic your theory post was.

You concocted an elaborate (and highly unlikely) scenario and stressed how much OJ is "inciting everyone" (entirely ignoring the fact that OJ didn't actually give ANY arguments etc. with which to incite people) and then completely back-pedal by saying you didn't want to be irresponsible. Strikes me as both contradictory and evasive.

All in all, you have made a tremendously conflated argument, avoided a question and then you give an answer which contradicts both the emphatic-ness of the conflated case and the fact that you had a random vote out there anyway.

Unvote, Vote: The Deepfried Ninja

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a

question for the mod

- On page 1 you say:

With 12 alive, its 6 to lynch!

Can you just confirm that is correct? In most games I have played it is usually 7 out of 12 needed to lynch (or the equivalent sort of thing like 4 out of 7, 3 out of 4 etc.).

Yes, this is correct. This game will move at a slightly faster pace than most games, and it will always take half the players to lynch when the number of total players are even, and above half when the number of players are odd. At deadline, it will take the same number of players to lynch as now. If you do not reach half or over(even or odd) by that time, there will be a no-lynch and we will move on to night. I wouldn't let discussion slow down if I were you, because deadlines will not be extended.

[The Deepfried Ninja]

alright i realize that my 3 page manifesto followed by no vote looks really dumb. I have no answer for u Im sorry I screwed up. Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions. lets just watch the discussion unfold and try to find some scum.

[Elias_the_thief]

Well, my actual reason for questioning DPF is that there really isnt anything wrong witha day 1 bandwagon. As long as it's kept in hand so as to avoid a lynch, it creates discussion, and allows you to see where people stand on other players, thus making it easier to determine scum. Of course, having only 6 to lynch makes it a little different, which is irritating and seems to be a handicap to the town in my opinion.

[gorckat]

Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions.

Is that so bad?

[TheHermit]

Of course, having only 6 to lynch makes it a little different, which is irritating and seems to be a handicap to the town in my opinion.

I disagree: I see it as both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because you need to convince one less person of another's guilt in order to get them lynched; it's a curse because you need to convince one less person of another's "guilt" before you get the lynched WRONGLY. So it really comes down to, "How confident are you of your deductions?"

As for OJ/DFN, I don't find anything particularly scummy about them. Yet.

[curiouskarmadog]

alright i realize that my 3 page manifesto followed by no vote looks really dumb. I have no answer for u Im sorry I screwed up. Anything else I do or say is only going to have you asking me more questions. lets just watch the discussion unfold and try to find some scum.

right now, you and OJ are the discussion

[Elias_the_thief]

I disagree: I see it as both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because you need to convince one less person of another's guilt in order to get them lynched; it's a curse because you need to convince one less person of another's "guilt" before you get the lynched WRONGLY. So it really comes down to, "How confident are you of your deductions?"

Well yes, I looked at it this way. However, it also means that Lynch-or-Lose comes a day earlier, as well as the fact that we cant put as much pressure on anyone because its that much easier to mislynch.

Ly-lo will not come a day earlier. At deadline, a true majority of votes is required, even or odd. -Mod

[Elias_the_thief]

Also, as a sidenote, where in the world is kerplunk?

vote: kerplunk

, til he posts something.