In post 1875, Izariael wrote:@Thor: Which of your reads in 1022 are strong reads? Are all of them committed?
They are all as committed as I state them to be. This is a weird question that I'm not sure how to answer.
In post 1875, Izariael wrote:@Thor: Which of your reads in 1022 are strong reads? Are all of them committed?
In post 1917, Slandaar wrote:It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed. You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent,
In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:Nobody else has made a point that someone hasn't asked them to clarify, besides which I hardly ever question people like that. I love when it happens though, it's great for reading people, getting down into their thought processes and watching them tick.
In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.
If you're asking me for any kind of VCA... I don't do that. If you're asking me to discuss the stated reasoning for each vote on your wagon and whether that looks kosher then I'll ask you to do the same for the Pere wagon.
Just let me know which it is.
In post 1929, Garmr wrote:1. nope not that i can remember
In post 1929, Garmr wrote:2A.Muffin-I can see him buddying script a bit and I don't know if anyone's used this as a scum tell but he seems to be leeching you. If a strong player is pushing a wagon just jump on and throw down a few points and don't provide anything to really push it. I think the closet thing to a push is saying come join the wagon and oh look at the history of events in the way I paint it (521)
2B.Scriptian-The town cred thing in a lesser extent and the jump onto the pere wagon in a bigger extent. It didn't feel natural to me.
OrNot2B.Davey- quotes gm says she feels towny and doesn't give a reason why those quotes feel towny. Plays a devil adovocate like role in the thors and pere argument and then gives a meh reason to vote pere (667.
I originally disliked more players on the wagon but I been rethinking them.
In post 1929, Garmr wrote:3 they were similar at the start (not the same) but they steered into different directions. I don't agree with some of his reads/reactions but I can see how he got there with the way he thinks.
In post 1932, Slandaar wrote:PV is just less colourful as scum, just is, he has less of a presence, it's meta but it's the only way I can read PV because I used to for several games always think hes scum so I just ignore his reasoning mostly because I never agree with him.
In post 1932, Slandaar wrote:He posted meta showing why he believes what he believes it completely backed him up, you can't make that up, he obviously believes that you(royal you) shouldn't be assuming it's multiball in this sized game and his experience backs this argument up. It's not a good argument but meh, I don't really find his arguments good ever so whatever that is pretty moot.
In post 1932, Slandaar wrote:Why didn't he accuse others? don't know, don't really care. Maybe because he thinks you specifically shouldn't think it's multiball.
In post 1939, Flubbernugget wrote:@Thor what do you think of some of the weaker vote on your wagon like dave's and boon's?
@Mod - I understand the deadline is currently suspended - but could you clarify what it will be once replacements arrive?
In post 1949, T S O wrote:Thor - because I feel my vote is more fruitful where it is.
I'm not particularly townreading Peregrine like I was and he could be scum, I guess, because I usually townread Peregrine when I ISO him in isolation and that really hasn't happened this game. Maybe that's indicative for Peregrine being scum. Maybe it's indicative of him having an off game. I don't know. At the moment I don't really care either because I don't have enough time for this game in general.
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:1. Not really
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:2. Your original vote on pere was weaksauce -_- annoyance out the way
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:dave-I misread the whole goodmorning thing as well which was a bigger factor as why I scum read him but you have to admit the way he handled you and pere was a bad jump onto it. After he does a lot of theory talk about if pere is scum that there must be scum in the neighborhoods goes in depth about it. That really isn't solid reasoning.
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:script-was my weaker reads of the three and the only one you agreed slightly intreasting.
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:muffin- I stick to my points on this and that dustop that involves "explain your read,Is that the best,there's a better vote if that's all,link some some shit" yep real riviting stuff from muffin.
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:3.
From my view point his got caught up with your wall. But the fact his recent post his brought up egg,muffin and scriptian so it's not all about you and I think his done a little. But the way you act around him got him caught up on you not sure if you realize you have that effect sometimes (remember you and slandaar in the game we were a scum team you didn't even mean for that wall to happen.)
In post 1959, Garmr wrote:It became a way to debate your statistic into a surefire thing. I don't understand this transtion.
In post 1968, Slandaar wrote:I find it believable that if you have a certain experience with games going a certain way you would think others with similar experience levels would think similarly, thus you not doing so when he thinks you would think similar to him appears scummy to him.
In post 1974, Slandaar wrote:I mean is it good reasoning? no, but do you think Peregrine with his experience makes this argument unless he believes it?
In post 1986, Muffin wrote:Barring vig, why would a scum player get vigged? Is this gm slipping that she knows thor is town?
That phrase really pinged for me.
oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god oh god indecision
In post 1943, Thor665 wrote:What are your reads, currently?
In post 1997, goodmorning wrote:Can we notice what Slandaar's done so far? He's tunneled me with theory questions and got into the multiball discussion, neither of which is particularly productive. Someone who thinks he's Town: why?
In post 1998, Garmr wrote:Let simplify this I haven't looked into daves meta I barely do that unless asked to and no I don't know him. Script well I got nothing why it's interesting I just thought it was interesting. I don't see your point on muffin how does sheeping you and throwing post that don't advance the case a town action.
In post 1998, Garmr wrote:In all honesty I can't clarify were your wrong. I was under the impression he did but after going through his iso he really only talked to them about the case between you and him.
I'm going to be honest thor from your latest post I feel like your tying to control me and I don't like that. Unlike tso I'm not so easily bullied into things.
In post 1998, Garmr wrote:But guess what there's finally a wagon I'm happy that's picking up
In post 2003, Garmr wrote:I will trust you with the dave reasoning but I showed that muffins so called attack was Smurf and went no where. Those lines I said were from his post and pretty much the only thing he said on the so called attack. So no that make thing you called attacking isn't going to win points when it has little point and leads no where.
In post 2008, goodmorning wrote:Thor: Am I just imagining that half the playerlist is more useless than I am?
In post 2012, PeregrineV wrote:In post 1790, Thor665 wrote:In post 1707, PeregrineV wrote:In post 1661, Thor665 wrote:The attack is not weak, and I haven't dropped or dodged off from anything I have said about you.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Please.
Ok. Thank you for your service to the town.
Just trimming this down to showcase what I said and what he answered.
In post 2019, PeregrineV wrote:You said you didn't get it.
I guess you got it and now decided you didn't like it.
In post 2020, PeregrineV wrote:In post 2002, Thor665 wrote:With not even a single claim or L-1 on the table.
Claimed in 1366
In post 2022, TierShift wrote:I am not following this case, I pointed out what I found scummy about him in my previous post. It's just that the vote by muffin prompted me to do the same.
In post 2033, Slandaar wrote:In post 1991, Thor665 wrote:
The thing is that he didn't want to. He tossed it out - I zeroed in on it, and he tried to re-phrase the situation.
So, no,I don't think he'd do it unless he believed it- I also don't think he believes it and didn't want to get into it and regrets tossing it in as a way to fluff up a fake read.
Show me where/what he 're-phrased' it to.
Bolded: then why are you using this as some sort of case?
Read what you have just said Thor.
In post 2046, TierShift wrote:It's me showing discontent with your passive-aggressive 'I'm better than you'-tone.
In post 2047, goodmorning wrote:I have the strangest feeling this has to do with my weak case on you. I've done some Smurf since that, haven't you been paying attention?
In post 2049, T S O wrote:Because the way the argument inevitably goes is I make my case on Axle, you say I'm wasting my time, we back-and-forth, I lose the argument and end up sheepishly voting Peregrine.
I, as I've said before, am both too highly-strung and too busy to do that.
In post 2060, Scripten wrote:These posts feel organic and natural. He doesn't keep pushing the exact same point over and over, but had some amount of ebb and flow to his discussion with Thor. Feels like a townish Flubbernugget to me.
In post 2070, Scripten wrote:Fine, question extends to the rest of you lot, then. Boon fakeclaim more likely to be town- or scum-motivated?
In post 2090, Slandaar wrote:I feel you don't understand my point Thor. The conversation diverted when he used the meta to back his argument up, do you disagree?
In post 2099, goodmorning wrote:Who was it that was calling this post contentful?
In post 2103, goodmorning wrote:It's not. It's a tunnel with window dressing on it.
In post 2140, davesaz wrote:In post 2135, Thor665 wrote:I don't see either inconsistency.
PereV called you out for seeming to have inside information. Your scum read on him is based on the way he's inconsistently applying the inside information tell to you and not to others. But you are being inconsistent with how you're handling his inconsistency vs. how you handle the same inconsistency in others.
In post 2142, Flubbernugget wrote:Okay so you Smurf and bitch that we need a compromise lynch before deadline then cast doubt when someone tries to compromise on a lynch without waiting for deadline to do it.
And everybody seems okay with this.
In post 2142, Flubbernugget wrote:And considering youalways has to get the last Smurfing word in, every Smurfing time, how would telling you to sod off do anything than piss TSO off even further, and then allow you to tunnel him into a scum read?
In post 2143, Flubbernugget wrote:And yes I owe you a reads list
In post 2150, Garmr wrote:thors town reading everyone of them and I felt he could only explain one adequately.
In post 2155, T S O wrote:Thor is probably one of the worst players to pick a fight with as scum onsite due to his proficiency in winning arguments, propensity to re-evaluate reads and even tunnel if need be. GM's not stupid.
In post 2200, PeregrineV wrote:In post 2039, Thor665 wrote:No you weren't - you unvoted me in that post or immediately juxtaposed to it. Or was the unvote also sarcasm?
Because if you're town, despite your uselessness today, you'll be more useful (hopefully), in later days.
Scritpen, I felt, was a better vote, and more likely scum.
Since doing a full iso on him, it could be just differing views on how posting should be communicated. Every post of his I feel like his goal is to provide as little information as possible while still trying to look like he is. In summary of reading his posts, he does appear to have reads, with various reasons, on a few players. So maybe it's just me. Maybe it's not.
In post 2201, PeregrineV wrote:If there are 2 scumteams, and Thor called it despite evidence to the contrary, Thor is either
1. Lucky town that got the setup right for reasons mortals will never fathom
2. Scum that already knows it
If there is 1 scumteam, and Thor makes a safe assumption there are two, Thor is either
3. Wrong town that made an incorrect assumption
4. Scum that is trying to make town look for more scumteams than there are
Since #4 makes no sense whatsoever, it 1 or 2 or 3. Since I doubt it's 1, and don't care if it's 3, #2 is the one that I need to focus on in determining townThor or scumThor.
Tell me again you still don't get it.
In post 2206, PeregrineV wrote:I guess you give more weight to the context of the discussion than I do.
In post 2216, PeregrineV wrote:In post 2214, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, it's a weird habit I have - I look at the context of what is being said to decide if it is or is not scummy.
I'm cray-cray like that.
Since your pretty much in wait mode, when I flip town, who is the scum on my wagon?
In post 2254, goodmorning wrote:Why is Pere the leading wagon again?
Oh, I remember. It's because Thor said so.
In post 2256, beastcharizard wrote:What is everyone's read on my slot?
In post 2264, Flubbernugget wrote:@Thor who else do you want a read on?
In post 2285, Slandaar wrote:Thor misreps PV by saying he should include SK's in the numbers
In post 2293, Slandaar wrote:In post 2287, Thor665 wrote:In post 2285, Slandaar wrote:Thor misreps PV by saying he should include SK's in the numbers
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
What word?
Misrep? I think that is the first time I used it.
PV clearly was using multiball to mean games with 2 scumteams therefore suggesting he should include SK's is a misrepresentation of what he is saying.
In post 2301, Slandaar wrote:You said multiball blah blah. He thought you used the term multiball to mean 2 scumteams. His argument obviously was not talking about games with SK. How would you as scum know there is an SK? it's impossible. He clearly was not making that argument.
In post 2301, Slandaar wrote:YOU did not tell him you meant SK+scum instead asking him to provide meta
In post 2301, Slandaar wrote:Only then did you bring up the SK+scum meaning multiball when his meta showed that actually 2 scum teams is not that likely I think it was 2/7 doesn't matter though the number.
In post 2301, Slandaar wrote:You are misrepresenting his argument by saying SK games should be applied because clearly that was not his argument.
In post 2301, Slandaar wrote:It doesn't matter if he misinterpreted your meaning. The difference is I find it very hard to believe you thought he was talking about games with SK the entire time thus you didn't misinterpret you misrepresented.
In post 2312, Slandaar wrote:In post 583, Thor665 wrote:Adjusted that for how it was used in the discussion.
Adding in the other SK ones changes it to a 6/13 ratio.
Meaning, roughly, 50%
This is not a correction, this is Thor saying PV is wrong it's 50% when clearly in the discussion PV was not meaning SK+scum games. At this point Thor should have realized (he should have before but this is the absolute latest) that PV meant only games with 2 scumteams.
This means when Thor says 'adjusted for how it was used in the discussion' he is misrepresenting PV because clearly that was not how PV was using the term multiball in the discussion.
It does not matter what Thor's original meaning was.
In post 2343, goodmorning wrote:[obligatory prodding at Thor post]
Maybe the Anen wagon should move to Axle?
Better yet, let's lynch Thor.[/obligatory prodding at Thor post]
In post 2352, davesaz wrote:I don't see the big "we gotta lynch someone" that I'd expect from town
In post 2365, T S O wrote:feel really awful about not posting that godSmurf case so here's something. lots of these don't make sense. specifically, him thinking he can read Thor perfectly with 1-1 sampling, Cho being scum for voting me (also scum), etc.
In post 2372, TierShift wrote:I see Pere has been online. Pere, if you think you won't get back before deadline, please claim now, as it looks you are going to be run up to L-1 soon. No claim because V/LA won't be accepted.
In post 2350, Aegor wrote:Votecount 1.19
[6]PeregrineV:Egg, Thor665, Scripten, The Fonz, AxleGreaser, davesaz
[5]Aneninen:Shiro*, TierShift, Garmr, T S O, PeregrineV
[4]Thor665:goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, Izariael
[1]goodmorning:Slandaar
[1]T S O:Muffin
[1]Shiro:Grayfoxxxx
[3]Not Voting:beastcharizard, Aneninen, Boonskiies