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Post Post #2950 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:57 am

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Potential replacement found for GrayFoxxxx.
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Post Post #2951 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:57 am

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Votecount 2.3


[4]
Boonskiies:
T S O, Izariael, Flubbernugget, Garmr
[2]
AxleGreaser:
Nero Cain, davesaz
[2]
Shiro:
Thor665, Slandaar
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Thor665:
goodmorning, Boonskiies
[1]
Garmr:
Scripten
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Izariael:
TierShift

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Not Voting:
beastcharizard, GrayFoxxxx, Muffin, Shiro, The Fonz, AxleGreaser

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline:
(expired on 2014-11-19 18:27:52)

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Post Post #2952 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:12 am

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In post 2948, goodmorning wrote:Look, I am now scumreading him based on him posting nothing but easy posts yesterday. Care to comment, or shall I ignore you the rest of the Day?

I am not really good at explaining townreads. I mean I basically read people based on their ability level and then apply concepts to them I think apply. With Thor I feel his push on PV is believable from him but while I obviously had PV as town yesterday I initially did like Thor's case. The issue arose as I brought up when PV showed his meta, this should have shut down the whole debate really. It didn't but then Thor as I have said previously won't concede an argument, he has to win it, so hence he introduced SK's in a bad way. PV then was convinced Thor was scum and so off they went into the sunset.

Point being Thor's original argument was good and I liked it, I also feel he would have dropped the argument with the meta's appearance if he were scum but this is based on my feeling of his meta.
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Post Post #2953 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:21 am

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In post 2948, goodmorning wrote:It wasn't. That said, why would Scum-Thor make an easy vote, or at least a vote you perceive as easy?

Because it wouldn't have made me think he was scum. Scum can just farm an easy mislynch if that will not make them appear scummy.
In post 2948, goodmorning wrote:What does this even mean?

Bulbazak was scum in walrus and the carpenter mafia, in which he was very bullheaded. I used to see that as a town characteristic mainly.
In post 2948, goodmorning wrote:Because the way you're engaging with the game today feels really really off. Also I'm not really seeing any of your thought process, which is really weird for you.

You're not seeing any thought process, that might be true. Not today at least. But I usually show thought process in both my town and scum games, so that doesn't really count as a scumtell.
If you want some clean thought process, go look at my stuff on egg, please.

What is your own read on boon and what do you think of his thor vote?
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Post Post #2954 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:23 am

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Can we stop with the bulbazak I don't like him much.
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Post Post #2955 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:21 am

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In post 969, Garmr wrote:I still don't like boon skies. But tbh I don't understand why scum would reveal they have a role that could confirm multiscum because that would make them more likely to be targeted in the night phase. This has me frustrated because I don't know how to interpret it.

@Axle - it was Garmr, not Dave.

I sort of pray for fireworks from this boring exchange but I pretty sure I'm just going to get a wet *pffft* sound instead. Joy.
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Post Post #2956 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:33 am

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In post 2944, Slandaar wrote:
In post 2886, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 2862, Slandaar wrote:I think TSO always acts. But ignoring that; I don't think the act he is using makes him scum.


The act is why, his reads were based as they were and your tell less relevant than it sometimes is.
The act was to slam at perceived weaker players, never state actually why they were scummy, (as opposed to bad (ergo weaker players)) and never look back.
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No substance. (especially none that can be refuted as it fails to reference specific examples.)

Safe.

TSO does put on fake bravado as town. He also does the old 'I ain't posting no reasons lol!'.

It's bad, yes, but he does. I have literally chased him down for this exact thing in a previous game.


Which game was this again? I don't remember it. It wasn't Flavor Caper, and when I played as Catastrophe with you, we were derphammered p2.
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Post Post #2957 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:34 am

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gm is so town
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2958 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:45 am

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In post 2619, Boonskiies wrote:Thor's town. And it's multiball...

In post 2621, davesaz wrote:@Boon: Why are you so sure about both points?

In post 2623, Boonskiies wrote:@Dave - which points are you referring to?

Boonskies, why is Thor town?
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Post Post #2959 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:46 am

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In post 2957, T S O wrote:gm is so town

Can you expand that thought with words?
I don't particularly find her scummy, per se' - but I find her so useless as to be lynch worthy, so a town read would shrink my lynch pools.
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Post Post #2960 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:49 am

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I don't care enough to explain anything on him. I was just trying to get people off Thor and onto Iz when I said he was town.
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Post Post #2961 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:59 am

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In post 2923, Thor665 wrote:

In post 2912, Flubbernugget wrote:Yeah so far all I remember your case being is that he was town. Which is a case in the same way bowling is a sport.

:neutral:

:neutral: :neutral:
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Post Post #2962 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:03 am

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Do I need to give another lesson on "how you even push a wagon" here?
Because most people apparently still have no idea.

@Flubber - what's your read on Shiro, by the by? Because I felt you were for it and now you're not doing anything about it.
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Post Post #2963 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:31 am

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Would wagon if boons, iz, dave, and you get sorted out.
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Post Post #2964 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:41 am

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In post 2956, T S O wrote:
Which game was this again? I don't remember it. It wasn't Flavor Caper, and when I played as Catastrophe with you, we were derphammered p2.

This one
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Post Post #2965 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:03 am

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reinoe replaces GrayFoxxxx, effective immediately.
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Post Post #2966 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:04 am

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Oh great.
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Post Post #2967 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:53 am

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In post 2965, Aegor wrote:
reinoe replaces GrayFoxxxx, effective immediately.


Uuugh... kill it with fffiiiirrreeeeeee.
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Post Post #2968 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:54 am

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In post 2960, Boonskiies wrote:I don't care enough to explain anything on him. I was just trying to get people off Thor and onto Iz when I said he was town.


So when you spent 3/4 posts saying nothing more than "Thor is town" on day 1, it was to get people onto me? :roll:
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Post Post #2969 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:56 am

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Nevermind that NO ONE WAS VOTING THOR. I'm calling bullshit.
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Post Post #2970 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:13 am

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In post 2960, Boonskiies wrote:I don't care enough to explain anything on him. I was just trying to get people off Thor and onto Iz when I said he was town.

That's really not an acceptable answer. If you're townreading him, you should be able to articulate why.
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Post Post #2971 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:27 am

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In post 2938, TierShift wrote:
In post 2934, Shiro wrote:
In post 2927, TierShift wrote:Shiro's awfully fencesitty.


Shiro was ill :/

Shiro has been fencesitty all along.

Ok I admit but it isn't a fence it is a corner and I find it cozy

@Slander the day ends for me in half an hour where is point 3 D:

@thor Hey since axl bored you and you didn't answer him mind answering to Shiro why the placement on the Pere wagon was scummy ?
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Post Post #2972 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:14 am

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Gosh I hope flubber isn't scum for pushing someone that he can't kill at night.
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Post Post #2973 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:18 am

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am also bummed that Axle didn't respond to my 2620
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Post Post #2974 (ISO) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:21 am

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In post 2955, Thor665 wrote:
In post 969, Garmr wrote:I still don't like boon skies. But tbh I don't understand why scum would reveal they have a role that could confirm multiscum because that would make them more likely to be targeted in the night phase. This has me frustrated because I don't know how to interpret it.

@Axle - it was Garmr, not Dave.

I sort of pray for fireworks from this boring exchange but I pretty sure I'm just going to get a wet *pffft* sound instead. Joy.



and if instead of being a hardass and saying no you find it... you had tried youd have realised your error and Id have moved on days ago,.... (and wasted lots less time)
as it is, I see you claiming, reclaiming, and insisting on, one basis for your read then oops no its another.

but as Boon has become topic of serious interest then, clearing up not just for me or for you, where I or others ought stand based on his claim is relevant.
Most of the game is always pffft.
(Also considering the pffft, of your shiro vote for placement, which you feel disinclined to explain to someone who is not yet voting your wagon... not sure I care on how dissapoint you are)

so its one of these?
In post 969, Garmr wrote:
I still don't like boon skies. But tbh I don't understand why scum would reveal they have a role that could confirm multiscum because that would make them more likely to be targeted in the night phase. This has me frustrated because I don't know how to interpret it.

and he wasnt so that makes him town... yeah WIFOM but it always was. Scum might like the lack of certainty, where probably(usually?) mainly only they know.

In post 646, Garmr wrote:
Kinda annoyed that someone would passively role claim day 1 with only one vote on them. If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum. Unless your just saying that to get some town cred but that will sort itself out in time.

and it might still sort itself out in time, but claiming to actually be two shot BP is bad/(convenient).
as scum quite possibly wont want to sort that out

I am
Not seeing it not being a valid scum strategy to claim a role, that wont sort itself out in time.
He appears to be on the require to be lynched list unless his actions independently prove him towny just as if he had not claimed.
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