NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Boonskiies]

@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

[Thor665]

Oh... sorry. I thought you said a simple yes or no response would suffice. I must have misunderstood.

It did suffice - I just thought you would be happy to cram answers into my face in order to help out the guy you agree with in getting the answers he claims to want/need.

No?

BOTH of you are totally happy with the way Muffin questioned this and how he skewed and turned wacky my statements?

The quotes provided are pretty objective.

I don't think much is wrong with his questioning and even if I did, the ends justify the means.

What?
No - I'm dead serious. I NEVER indicated ANYTHING to qualify his quality over quantity complaint.
I am flat out calling that a lie.
if it's objective - prove me wrong.

Also, seriously - when I made my original statement about the amount of discussion of Pere v. Anen YOU thought I honestly meant "number of times each of their names shows up in his iso"?
You thought that?
You took that as my point?

The boggle is that you're avoiding to show who you were talking about, with it being asked multiple times and there not being a reason to withhold the information from us.

I actually never said I wouldn't. I just saw no value in doing so.
I still don't.

And now getting all defensive and asserting I said that messing two players up was a scum plan, which I never did.

You did indicate there was an issue with it - I am being "defensive" and trying to understand that issue.
Clearly if it's an issue it's worth explaining to me and getting my reaction to i - so you're getting that. Now explain the issue - and we all win.

Ehy is there such a big stick up your butthole?

Because I feel Muffin is talking like pure scumSmurf and that two lackwits are agreeing with him.
Why is there such uneasiness to answer direct questions from me?

I mean, you guys both chimed in....now look at your backup responses.
Look at Muffin's for frack's sake.
That doesn't look screwy to you? He's flat out doubletalking to me and apparently you don't even notice? That is messed up because either it means I'm insane and he's talking normal - or the three of you are some combo of scum/not reading lackwits.
I'd actually be happier with the "Thor is insane" concept - but I would like to think people could just describe my insanity back to me in clear language and stop just huffing and puffing emptily instead.

[Thor665]

@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

Replace out due to failure to know how to play town?

[Izariael]

VOTE: Thor

Here's the extent of my answer, Thor.

[AxleGreaser]

Reasons for voting Garmr D2. (abridged version)

As indicated D1
1585 I have been suspicious of the voters on the Anen wagon since 688 1530 1596 and have been trying to work who is scum and who is wrong or bad ever since.

GARMR

is scum because

Safe Play

Voting easy, not likely fight back targets

Boonskiies:

for bad(made up) reasons

Aneninen:

for pointing out the reasons were bad (but providing others that would be Ok)
Thereby (according to garnr) stopping the pressure on Boon? (see below)

Axle ?:

Dont know if I look safe to attack or not? (see OMGUS/self conscious)

then not actually progressing the cases, even when 85% sure they are scum...

OMGUS

(

overly self conscious

)

Aneninen

See: Holy over sensitive souls, end of 2481

Axle

Extra double self conscious

I mention I have similar problem with his read. and ASK if he(Garmr) can explain TSOs read on Anen? 1585
(because I am at the time scum hunting TSO, and trying to understand TSOs reasons. And why none else seems to care he doesnt have any stated as beign related to the thread explictly.))
Garmr replies ignoring the question because its all about him
“I have explained my reasons even through it started with a misunderstanding.”
and suddenly (bang it hit me) decides I am scum (In D2 somewhere he claims it didn't happen like that)

Scummy reasoning as previously described 2481

Perhaps the most telling for me is most recently stated in 2643
I do know that in fact Garmr unvoted Boon when Boon soft claimed D1

but Garmr claims

that Aneninens (chainsaw/wk) of boon that Garmr 2441 “he(Anen) stopped my pressure on boon ” “It really cut any progress on boonskies short as he hasn't provided much content."

Scummy Bullshit.

Especially when garmr also charcterises Anens post as making Garmnrs points stronger

I cant see how a town mind can simultaneous think all those things. (points made stronger, and pressure removed == Nope not buying it)

Scum

can however be upset that their nice safe to hide vote on Boon is taken away, so they OMGUS the guy that did it.
That makes sense.

lastly (for now)
Garmr says of

him

(Boon)

who ever is shooting from shooting

him

again.

what makes you think anyone is shooting

him

?

I cant see any reasonable reason a towny would be using the language "shooting him again", and be assuming it had already happened and that Boon knew.
(read the subsequent discussion for yourself)

However if Garmr belongs to a faction that had shot Boon, then that makes lots of sense.
I hate slips, per se, but only to the extent that I would hardly ever lynch someone on the basis of just that
However, such point is one more piece of evidence ina continuing and enduring pattern of scummy play.

That is eminently lynchable, and way more likely to flip scum than any one trick pony based wagon.

VOTE: Garmr

[goodmorning]

@gm:

I like the pere and gm scumreads

?

I don't remember seeing that. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. I'll take another look when I'm on my own computer.

I feel that responding about townreading thor for not voting boon has little merit, so I'm not going to.

It still doesn't make sense to me but I really don't think anything could make it do so.

@Thor: If you weren't talking about the number of times they were discussed and you weren't talking about the quality of Shiro's discussion of them then what the hell were you talking about? And why are you so reluctant to tell us who you mixed Shiro up with? These are the problems Muffin has with you and I don't see why it is so apparently difficult for you to understand that.

P-EDIT: @Axle: what is your read on Thor?

[AxleGreaser]

@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

Replace out due to failure to know how to play town?

(TBMK: site wide ban on trust tells says no)
Dont type in due to failure of willingness to try as one alignment is alignment neutral.
So is playing the game.

[Thor665]

VOTE: Thor

Here's the extent of my answer, Thor.

So - further emptiness and inability to discuss my devilishly difficult questions of "I think I never said the things you're saying I said"
Okay.

[Izariael]

It's like your explanations to Muffin's questions in that regard, isn't it?

[Thor665]

@Thor: If you weren't talking about the number of times they were discussed and you weren't talking about the quality of Shiro's discussion of them then what the hell were you talking about?

...what?

What the sldjas;ofjsaojfoe;!

Okay, look, it is OBVIOUS that I was talking about the amount of the relative conversation about each person. i literally said as much.
That said, what Muffin did was to count the number of times a given name showed up. That doesn't take into account pronouns, and it *certainly* doesn't take into account the amount of time spent talking about either one.
Then he acted like ti did.

WHAT DO YOU THINK I MEANT?
And more importantly, do you think Muffin's approach remotely resembles sanity in asking me about it?

And why are you so reluctant to tell us who you mixed Shiro up with? These are the problems Muffin has with you and I don't see why it is so apparently difficult for you to understand that.

I'm reluctant because;

1. I don't know off the top of my head and would need to do research.
2. I see no value in even having that info.

That's really it.
If someone could explain the value to me to justify the work I'd probably kvetch but would provide the answer. But...I really don't even get the issue.
These are *not* the problems Muffin has with me.
Look at what he's saying you narf.

[Thor665]

It's like your explanations to Muffin's questions in that regard, isn't it?

I've offered to answer that if my questions are answered.
Frankly I've already answered his question he's just being dense about it.

Why not answer mine just to force me to answer yours?
I can't even get that promise from your side - are you offering it?

[Thor665]

@Iz - make me the offer, force me into the exchange of info. Call me on my bluff.

[AxleGreaser]

P-EDIT: @Axle: what is your read on Thor?

Not voting today.
More than leans town.

The person I read as more than leans town, (hence I trust the truthiness of their posts a bit) says

Please let you be town in all scum games I ever have on site.

so Thor says I cant read him for shit. (and wont be able to even with lots of practice)

Thus in one of those paradox thingies. I down grade all my town reads on Thor forever, until I have evidence he is wrong.

leans town

.
still definitely not voting today.

Further clarity:
I am pretty sure if the two wagons are you and thor, at L-1, and I have the hammer, you're flipping.
(Didn't like your D1 push being feeling/tone, and IIRC on D2 there are posts citing D1 as evidence ,that you now have more than feelings/tone about... yeah nah.)

[AxleGreaser]

I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

Funny I read that as dont try when town and make no logic.
Also I can live with you being bad as town, just so long as you try well enough for me to follow how you reach wrong conclusions.

That will be problem for your future scum games, but in this game your claiming to be town 2 shot BP.... right?

[reinoe]

@Reinoe - I claimed town 2 shot bulletproof neighbor because that is what my role pm says. I had like five votes on me for reasons. I was obviously trying to draw a NK. I'm not a good town player, let's be honest. I suck while I'm town and make no logic.

TBH, I'm done pushing the issue. Your answer's not satisfactory but I will hope you eventually get tired of playing the various variants of "hey I'm just no good at this". I hope you realize that...

1)sk is almost always bulletproof

2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.

p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.

[AxleGreaser]

(clarity)

That (try well enough.. blah blah) will be problem for your future scum games, but in this game your claiming to be town 2 shot BP.... right?

[Izariael]

@Iz - make me the offer, force me into the exchange of info. Call me on my bluff.

I see no need to do so. I was merely an observer of the discussion at hand until I indicated that I liked Muffin's stance on it. From my perspective, you were unable to refute Muffin's line of questioning, and are now resorting to pulling others into the discussion with the intent of straw-manning the entire accusation.

[AxleGreaser]

2)scum factions hate shooting someone who's bulletproof. Your claim makes it therefore highly unlikely you'll be nightkilled.

His soft claim was on D1 that when he tried to draw the NK.

He recently gave up trying to get nk'd and out as 2 shot BP.

He at no time claimed 2 shot BP in an effort to get Nk'd.

sheesh

[AxleGreaser]

p:edit. what? Is thor really at L-1 already? sigh.

What the fuck. (Sorry been trying to work out how to express the Garmr case so people might actually vote for the scummy guy today)

So what exactly is the case on Thor?

he stuck his neck out D1 and pushed a case, when all the other brave townies stood in corners whispering safely...

he then took more of back seat D2... (and voted someone who needed pressure in order to play at all D2?)

FFS, in that case, if thats scummy, I want to lynch pretty much most people who were here D1.

If your going to lynch him, pony up an actual case.

[AxleGreaser]

Yes.

and you want to lynch him over that,

but you wouldnt want to lynch TSO for all the times he ...

please explain.

[AxleGreaser]

Yes.

and you want to lynch him over that,

but you wouldnt want to lynch TSO for all the times he ...

please explain.

also explain why you're not voting for Garmr

[Thor665]

@Iz - make me the offer, force me into the exchange of info. Call me on my bluff.

I see no need to do so. I was merely an observer of the discussion at hand until I indicated that I liked Muffin's stance on it. From my perspective, you were unable to refute Muffin's line of questioning, and are now resorting to pulling others into the discussion with the intent of straw-manning the entire accusation.

Cool.

I would like to state that I find your actions, vote, and support of the "issue" on me to be empty, weak, and nonsensical.
I feel this response from you proves it as so.
Others may assess as they wish.

I expect similar from Tier and Muffin, honestly.
They can feel free to excite me and prove me wrong.

[Izariael]

Yes.

and you want to lynch him over that,

but you wouldnt want to lynch TSO for all the times he ...

please explain.

Because I played with Town-TSO in NY176 and have determined that his behavior seems very similar to what I saw there and have determined that he is likely town. Thor, however, I do not.

As for not voting Garmr, I would suggest going back in my ISO to my list of reads posted yesterday evening. I wouldn't vote for someone who isn't on my scumread list.

[Thor665]

I also love how you vote me and sheep his case but you're a "bystander".

Oh please, this wagon is a sad joke.
Get Muffin back here, at least he seems to know it and is dancing to avoid admitting it.

[AxleGreaser]

I wouldn't vote for someone who isn't on my scumread list.

and why isnt he?