Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[curiouskarmadog]

fucking dice.

Vote Ragging Rabbit.

word? what word?...dear god what word?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

Well not exactly but it did, did it not?

So if you didnt do it to start conversation, why are you stating it? Smells of someone trying to look good for a "good" deed, though the deed was unintentional.

I didnt really care about your random vote. It is common to dice vote at the beginning of day 1. I didnt really care about other's "attacks" of that vote. Day 1 people attack anyone for anything to get stances, conversation, apply pressure. But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect. If I meta you..will I find you random voting in every game?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

Well not exactly but it did, did it not?

So if you didnt do it to start conversation, why are you stating it?

Smells of someone trying to look good for a "good" deed, though the deed was unintentional.

I didnt really care about your random vote. It is common to dice vote at the beginning of day 1. I didnt really care about other's "attacks" of that vote. Day 1 people attack anyone for anything to get stances, conversation, apply pressure. But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect.

If I meta you..will I find you random voting in every game

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[curiouskarmadog]

cry, what I am asking you is...Are you saying, that you dice voted to start conversation?

I think you are misunderstanding what I am asking/saying

[curiouskarmadog]

from post 82, kloud has hit my point and questions on the nose. Again, I dont care about the random dice vote..happens a lot...what I dont like is Cry's reaction to TSQ (who I think is just getting conversation moving, null tell)...Cry seems to be trying to take credit for being protown after the fact. By saying that the dice vote did start conversation.

I havent got an answer from Cry about...but I dont think I am going to at this point. I am not sure why his is misunderstanding my questions. I dont think he dice voted to start conversation....but I also dont think that the dice vote was scummy...his reaction to TSQ was only slightly scummy....just making a note at this point.

I am not sure I unerstand Hate's beef with TSQ...I agree with kloud that it appears that hate is distorting (I prefer the term "Stretching") the facts...But is he doing it to scum hunt or push a bullshit case?...I dont know.

Hate, can you (in layman's term for the slow) explain why you think TSQ is mafia? Your thoughts on why TSQ doesnt have any other votes other than yourself?

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updating later this afternnon

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote

random.

Caught up, couple notes I think are worthy (typing as reading).

I am not a big scot fan. Nothing personal, just don’t like his game play. I cant remember his alignment in those past games I have played with him (I think I have seen him as town and scum)..I think this is the first game I have seen him on the attack with reasoning I agree with. he makes really good points in post 105. 1st, there is no fucking thing as overly defense…and I would like to go a step further, CK, if you think Hate is “classicly” “over defensive”…my question is to you…So?

2nd, being “70%” sure of someone being scum in this game after 4-5 pages seems silly. I do think Hate is new…I do think Hate appears to be eager.

Sounds like a classical case of an overly defensive beginner.

No such thing as overdefensive. Defending yourself is not a scum tell.

Yes there is. However, it is not a scumtell.

OK, so why bring it up? (which scot asks right after)

I don’t like CK’s math in post 130. Initially, I didn’t have an issue with “70%”. I took it as he thought hate was scum or had a vibe that he might be scum. I thought it was sort of silly, but not scummy…NOW, that Scot calls him out on this, he is back tracking a tad stating

At the beginning of a game, I am 50% sure a person is scum. The extra 20% is not as big of a gain as I think you are making it.

and again, why mention it? How were we suppose to know you start at 50%? Your posts so far seem fluffy. I need a point of reference to know what 70% means from you. Right now, you have left yourself room to maneuver around if you have to. What is my % and why? TSQ’s? Scot’s? Cry’s…and why? How does lurking affect your %s?

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont know what I think yet...I think he posts are fluffy. I think his numbers are apparently meaningless and I am urging him to put some meaning behind them. I think numbers and percentages are suspect without meaning behind them...do you have a problem with me asking him to provide other's percentages as well? You are right, vollkan DOES provide percentageS....not just one. This is not what vollkan does.

This is someone who basically said he is getting a scummy vibe on someone...then, when pressured a bit about it...backs off, that I also find suspect, and I am not sure how you are missing that point....the defense is noted.

[curiouskarmadog]

24 hours with no posts? Odd.

funny you mention no posts...but you dont reply to my email...why is that?

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actually, ..the more I think about it, the more I dont like.

vote Citizen Karne.

for trying to look protown, while ignoring questions. Fluffy numbers. back tracking under pressure.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod: any luck with Cry?

sry for triple post

[curiouskarmadog]

24 hours with no posts? Odd.

funny you mention no posts...but you dont reply to my email...why is that?

Email?

email..post...meh.

[curiouskarmadog]

CK

from the bottom of page 6, bolded questions

I am not a big scot fan. Nothing personal, just don’t like his game play. I cant remember his alignment in those past games I have played with him (I think I have seen him as town and scum)..I think this is the first game I have seen him on the attack with reasoning I agree with. he makes really good points in post 105. 1st, there is no fucking thing as overly defense…and I would like to go a step further,

CK, if you think Hate is “classicly” “over defensive”…my question is to you…So?

2nd, being “70%” sure of someone being scum in this game after 4-5 pages seems silly. I do think Hate is new…I do think Hate appears to be eager.

Sounds like a classical case of an overly defensive beginner.

No such thing as overdefensive. Defending yourself is not a scum tell.

Yes there is. However, it is not a scumtell.

OK, so why bring it up?

(which scot asks right after)

I don’t like CK’s math in post 130. Initially, I didn’t have an issue with “70%”. I took it as he thought hate was scum or had a vibe that he might be scum. I thought it was sort of silly, but not scummy…NOW, that Scot calls him out on this, he is back tracking a tad stating

At the beginning of a game, I am 50% sure a person is scum. The extra 20% is not as big of a gain as I think you are making it.

and again, why mention it? How were we suppose to know you start at 50%?

Your posts so far seem fluffy. I need a point of reference to know what 70% means from you.

Right now, you have left yourself room to maneuver around if you have to. What is my % and why? TSQ’s? Scot’s? Cry’s…and why? How does lurking affect your %s?

[curiouskarmadog]

CK,

I would like %s on those I asked about, ie I wanted stances today versus later.

how does lurking affect these numbers?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

for now....biggest beef was that he left himself room to manuver later...even though his numbers are close to each other, we are still early day 1...I will downgrage to a

FoS

. Bonus points for taking stances on everyone, though i did not ask for it.

Vote Cry

, for lurking here, but posting all over site. Also early game moves.

Cry, why are you avoiding this game?

[curiouskarmadog]

I too am LA due to the fact I work tonight, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday...along with two art projects that desperately need working on because its due on Monday. I may need replacing...I dunno how much I can catch up with...I will try.

9 pages is not that much...you seem to be active everywhere else..why?

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welcome farside, good to be in a game with you again..

question, what do you think of this comment for CK in reference to CW? Been waiting for anyone to comment on this..but no one has yet....

still comfortable with my vote on CW however...for now

I too am LA due to the fact I work tonight, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday...along with two art projects that desperately need working on because its due on Monday. I may need replacing...I dunno how much I can catch up with...I will try.

9 pages is not that much...you seem to be active everywhere else..why?

If she truly is active elsewhere, then this lurking is very disturbing to me.

FoS: crywolf20084

[curiouskarmadog]

welcome farside, good to be in a game with you again..

question, what do you think of this comment for CK in reference to CW? Been waiting for anyone to comment on this..but no one has yet....

still comfortable with my vote on CW however...for now

I too am LA due to the fact I work tonight, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday...along with two art projects that desperately need working on because its due on Monday. I may need replacing...I dunno how much I can catch up with...I will try.

9 pages is not that much...you seem to be active everywhere else..why?

If she truly is active elsewhere, then this lurking is very disturbing to me.

FoS: crywolf20084

Looks like a BW vote without the vote. I've noticed that some of CK's votes I get the impression he's not really trying to look for scum and just agreeing with whatever is out there.

Well, I can't push out original content in 100% of my posts. Sometimes what is out there is what I believe, and I say that I agree with it. If all I did was follow, I would be a sheep and it would be scummy. But with

some

being the operative word, I hardly fine that to be a bad thing in any way.

my problem with this comment wasnt that it wasnt 100% original..it was almost like you were throwing suspicion on CW without committing to it. "it that is true" then it does look scummy....why didnt you go check to see if my statement was true for yourself? this is the problem I am having with you all game (only 10 pages)...comments without the feeling of commitment, or leaving yourself room to manuver later if needed...

[curiouskarmadog]

my reply to CK's 239 (trying to avoid long quote pyramids), why did you go check to see if my comment was accurate?

unvote Cry...

need to think on that claim...parts of it are sticking out in particular, but I think i know what she doing, so will leave it at that...however, i dont think I understand why you would want to lynch your partner....do you know if your partner knows your alignment?

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Also, ckd, I'm confused by your question.

my reply to CK's 239 (trying to avoid long quote pyramids), why did you go check to see if my comment was accurate?

let me put it this way.

you and I are managers trying to find shitty employees. I tell you "Bob was late today". You tell me "

if

Bob really was late, I am going to fire him"....then you give Bob evil stares all day.

My question to you is, why didnt you check Bob's time card to see if he was indeed late, before giving him the stare? You took my word for it without looking it up for yourself..why?

Why FoS him without seeing if I was stretching the truth? It doesnt seem like you are trying to scum hunt and you are taking whatever people say at face value..why?

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You took my word for it without looking it up for yourself..why?

Why FoS him without seeing if I was stretching the truth? It doesnt seem like you are trying to scum hunt and you are taking whatever people say at face value..why?

It seemed such a foolish thing to lie about. cry didn't argue it, either. The intention of my FoS was to see what cry's response would be, and it was one of admittance. Also, one example of taking something at face value hardly constitutes a dearth of scumhunting throughout the game. Now THAT is a statement I'd like you to back up.

either you are dodging the point or not really getting it, I am not sure. Can you please demostrate a time in this game that you have scumhunted? that would of been a great point (checking my statement for truth) to do it. Maybe cry was just posting in GA and avoiding all of her games? Maybe I was stretching the truth to serve an evil purpose....

the point is

, you didnt feel the need to find out, which says something about your situation in this game. You left yourself room to manuver with the "if"...if later someone did check and found that maybe I was incorrect..you could always fallen back on the "if" if you were pressured as to why you jumped on the wagon (yes your fos is wagon jumping)..."well, when I FoSed Cry, I said "if"".

I have been getting a bad vibe from you, on and off all game....as I believe Cry's claim..

vote CK

[curiouskarmadog]

updating this weekend

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating. Typing as (re)reading
From CK post 285

Do random votes really count towards anything anyway? How is a random FoS any different? I suppose it prevents speedlynching a little. I really can't see any difference. If you want to make a big deal about me not voting, well that's silly. This is how I play. Deal with it. If you want to call me scum because of it, go ahead. I'd love to see your argument on how it makes me scum in this game as opposed to other games where I have been town. I do not think it is at all anti-town, either. It certainly does not inhibit my ability to discuss intelligently.

My FoSes are, for all intents and purposes, votes.

Speaking of FoSes that are, for all intents and purposes, votes, I dislike Gorrad's play so far. His second post seems to me like he is trying to stay out of the focus. His retraction of his analysis of TSQ seems as though he is backing out of a possible confrontation for the sole purpose of not getting into an argument with a player rather than simply mixing up people in his head. (I don't feel as though I am expressing myself accurately, but hopefully you understand me.) With whom did you confuse TSQ in your head, Gorrad?

Also, his posts in response to Haterade strike me as overly hypocritical cheap shots to try and gain town points by advocating for discussion.

Is this good enough? Here I am asking Gorrad a question about an action I consider scummy and looking for a response to help me form an opinion

Also, why does neither my analysis of the game nor various back-and-forths not count as scumhunting (I'm assuming you couldn't have overlooked those, but if you did by all means tell me)? They prompted discussion and certainly helped me (and I'm sure others too) formulate opinions on people in the game. Maybe we just don't consider the same things scumhunting. If not scumhunting, they certainly helped move along the game and provided solid content, neither of which I think of as anti-town. Why do you think I'm more scummy than, say, Gorrad?

The question to Gorrad is scum hunting I guess, but back and forths about you lack of votes/use of FoS is hardly scum hunting. That is reacting to people attacking you. Analysis…also is just your opinion and has nothing to do with scum hunting. I think you are more scummy than Gorrad because of your play. The way you maneuver or at least leave yourself open to maneuver. I appreciated your stance on everyone without being asked to do it, but something with your recent posts are sticking out.

Arch srsly, You sound all depressed and blaaaaaah and like this game has no interest to you. Liven up could ya??

TSQ had his computer stolen..So did Haterade. Though Haterade, but he wasn't here prior to that. Kloud is a different story. I asked him to post once but he hasn't yet. Hrmmm...

Unvote/Vote: Kloud

Policy vote. though its for the exact same thing i was doing

God I hate this post too.

Cry you never answered my questions...you have been lurking here but posting everywhere else...so, given your logic on voting kloud, why shouldnt I return my vote on you?...
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ML post, 294 is a very good one

2) How do you know all frogs are vanilla?

What makes you think they aren't?

fishing?

MBL, however does have a point about the claim being risky.

Guys, this whole argument is distracting us from lynching Gorrad. MBF and Dahill should join forces and help bring down the scum gorrad.

“Hi, I am posting just to post”

Not a helpful post.

welcome farside, good to be in a game with you again..

question, what do you think of this comment for CK in reference to CW?

Been waiting for anyone to comment on this..but no one has yet....

still comfortable with my vote on CW however...for now

I too am LA due to the fact I work tonight, tomorrow, Friday, and Saturday...along with two art projects that desperately need working on because its due on Monday. I may need replacing...I dunno how much I can catch up with...I will try.

9 pages is not that much...you seem to be active everywhere else..why?

If she truly is active elsewhere, then this lurking is very disturbing to me.

FoS: crywolf20084

Why exactly were you waiting for others to respond before doing so yourself? What does waiting for others to notice something accomplish? Why bring this up when farside "replaces" in, when it was something you had felt needed to be addressed (as you state above) before?

I was curious who was scum hunting and who might comment on this first..and then who would agree after… Trying to find links and connections to people….or on the flip side, see who attacks who and why. As it stands no one did, until I commented on it. I wanted to see how Farside’s view of CK differed from MBF’s (or lack thereof)..also, I was tired of waiting.

MBF vs. ML’s debate on mason.

I think that if Cry has a mason partner and that partner had anything important to bring to the table right now..he/she would. Cry is either scum or mason…maybe both, but I am doubting it. I believe Cry’s claim….I also think that Cry is probably new to the game. I think that the partner coming out right now will hurt us more than help us…If Cry is indeed telling the truth, at this point, Cry’s claim has nullified the usefulness of role. My biggest problem was Cry’s attack of that partner….did you ever explain why you thought it might be a good idea to lynch your partner?

[curiouskarmadog]

right now, the claimed mason has the most votes, thoughts?

also would like the said claimed mason to answer my f-ing questions.

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Cry any reason you keep ignoring my questions?

MBF, you ever been in a normal game that the town no lynched day 1?

The Archon vote of Cry surprised the shit out of me...guess I read something wrong.

[curiouskarmadog]

will catch up this weekend..

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating, as usual typing and reading.

I could see moving my vote over to Archon, but I don't know about Karne. I would need to review his posts first.

did you review his posts...thoughts?

B) I have disappeared for personal reasons. Sorry. I'm back for the moment.

I see that he has been replaced, so it sort of suck that he cant answer this..."what personal reasons stopped you from posting in this game, but posting everywhere else?" But he is no longer here....still calling bullshit.

Now, I have noticed you haven't said much either. You showed up. Said you read, and then had nothing what so ever to say about this game. Found it odd then and I still find it odd.

i, personally, find it odd that you are attacking archon for virtually the same exact thing you did

QFT

MBF, you ever been in a normal game that the town no lynched day 1?

Yes, several.

can I have a link...curious…

unvote, vote: Gorrad

This is a good post. Seriously though, this is now my only game so I'll be able to be more active from now on.

we'll see.....if gorrad is your first pick as scum, do you have a second....and why?

Back with laptop.

welcome back..thoughts?

I am very sorry I haven't been more involved as of late but school is very hectic right now. I apologize but I don't have time now for anything comprehensive. I'll have to post tomorrow. Again, I'm sorry about this.

Unlike cry...this checks out.

I'll move my vote to Gorrad for now.

I don't like how people are voting for the claimed mason on Day 1, and it's worse that Gorrad joined in near the deadline

for some arbitrary "neighbor" comment.

say what?..8 posts later..

Okay, I accept your explanation Gorrad.

unvote

Seeing as how Crywolf is the only one even close to a lynch with 5 votes, I guess I'll help it along. I'm not stupid enough to lynch just for the sake of lynching, and I hate the idea of lynching a claimed mason on Day 1. But she has acted suspicious, there's no denying that.

vote: CryWolf

Something about this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth…so what if cry is the only one close to a lynch, why does that deserve a vote from you?...to me..that seems like lynching for the sake of lynching…welcome to near the top of my scum radar..how does it feel?

Mod: since I'll be gone, I'd like to give my vote to Gorrad, allowing him to change my vote if some new information should come up. Is this allowed? I've seen it before in other games.

werent you just voting him, because of his vote on the “mason” you are now voting for no apparent reason? Also I think it is bullshit to give your vote to someone else….when/if you lynch town, you can always fall back on “well, I gave my vote to gorrad so it cant be linked to me”.

ML, what are your thoughts on MBF’s posts 372, 370?

Permission accepted.

My PM says I am neighbors with crywolf.

If any one didnt know this at this point then they are playing the wrong game….the breadcrumbs were piled high enough….the weak attempt at a breadcrumb from Cry is one reason why I don’t feel she is the lynch today…

Even though I think I was already voting for crywolf, I just wanted to make sure I was (guess I was to lazy to look back a couple of posts.) Just another reason to keep my vote.

Of course, if we lynch crywolf, and she turns up town that would look bad for me... But then again, if I were scum, why would I be pointing this out? Why am I even continuing this post in the first place? I baffle myself.

Someone just WIFOMed all over the coats….

Caught up…

Archon's vote and posts suck, but MBF’s posts seems super scummy.

Unvote, vote MBF

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[curiouskarmadog]

And what are you, then?

You want me to claim? My flavor's species is frog, though whether I'm a regular frog or some subspecies I won't say. The vanillas are all frogs, as you can see in the first post. This is because it's Frogs Mafia.

I completely missed him asking this..

Archon...why are you asking him what he is...how can that be good for town?

unvote, vote Archon.

I intially read that as him arguing...but I think it was an attempt to fish....

MBF, dont think this is you getting off the hook..I except all questions answered.

[curiouskarmadog]

where did he ask you?...was it after you claimed, if so, how is that the same thing?

also, anwser the question...why did you ask, and how is it good for the town that he answer?

[curiouskarmadog]

where did he ask you?...was it after you claimed, if so, how is that the same thing?

also, anwser the question...why did you ask, and how is it good for the town that he answer?

I asked because he asked. simple as that.

I don't see anything good in his answer, nor do I see anything bad. It could be true, or easily faked. I think it didn't really say much.

why must I ask the same questions over and over.

"where did he ask you?...was it after you claimed, if so, how is that the same thing?"

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I agree with ML, MBF is the lynch today...will repost my case when I get the time.

vote MBF

not sure I understand the case(s) against Gorrad...can someone (scot) please bullet point them for me....

[curiouskarmadog]

The duck flavor clearly is consistant,

QFT.

[curiouskarmadog]

I see the case on MBF, but still like Gorrad's better. Will explain it in full tomorrow if I have more time tomorrow.

looking forward to hearing about this.

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TSQ, what is your take on Day 1 MBF blasting Gorrad for voting the claimed mason...then 8 posts later voting the claimed mason?, THEN...leaving the game for a bit and giving his vote to Gorrad? Do you feel like this is town play? Why are why not? Your thoughts on his vote today (even though he is voting with you)?

Also, what scenario do you think happened that Cry Scum knew about town ducks? He claimed yesterday when we had no clue about ducks, that didnt seem risky from a scum prespective?

Does anyone know (past games) if the Mod usually gives fake claims to scum? Might look that up.

[curiouskarmadog]

turn on you? How do you know what his current position is on you?..is there a post I missed?

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Also, what scenario do you think happened that Cry Scum knew about town ducks? He claimed yesterday when we had no clue about ducks, that didnt seem risky from a scum prespective?

Cry is a girl, dude.

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The fact that she knew the townie flavor in advance. We've been over this.

but couldn't scum have been provided with this? it isn't uncommon for mods to include fake claims/flavor for scum, especially in theme games. this case seems to be clearing based on a conditional action which was based off of flavor again. as i said before, i'm not gonna be clearing anyone because of that

going to make it a point to meta the mod's game...and see if he has ever done it before....this case on SHEizzyCHICKizzyHERizzyFEMALEizzyVAGINAizzyOVARIES seems like a stretch....

[curiouskarmadog]

What else can I say to that other than we are not scum?

well saying things like that and "i'm town" aren't helping, that's for sure.

why is it hurting?

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay, I've gone through the thread and have lots of notes. It's mainly just summaries of all the posts, so I won't clutter the thread.

Why I think Izzy is scum:
Crywolf instantly tried to get Archon, her neighbor, lynched
Izzy is a duck, and ducks are more likely to be scum than frogs
Izzy is a "neighbor", which are more likely than masons to have at least one scum, and the other neighbor is dead
Izzy acted like she knew ducks were safeclaims

Mainly, there is a lot of evidence against Izzy from my perspective, and little reason not to believe she is scum. TSQ said it all very well, and I pretty much agree with everything he has said. However, half of the evidence is Meta, and the other half is sketchy. I know it's not the best case against somebody, and I have other suspicions I want to follow up on. I need to do a bit more review.

sweet christ

confirm vote MBF

how do you know that duck are more likely scum..the only duck revealed was town.

please show where you got this "neighbor" theory from..former game..link?

if ducks were a safe claim, then WHY are they more liking scum?

this case is bullshit and is a stretch.

I think you need to "clutter" now..that is no excuse to post a bad case.

[curiouskarmadog]

So far, MBF has been following Shea and Gorrad around, and have provided little of his own opinion in this game.

QFT

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Sorry, everybody. I've been out of the game for a long time and I've forgotten how tedious this is. I can think of a dozen other things I'd rather be doing right now,

this is a bullshit plea to make us think you dont really care about this game..if I recall...didnt you have a replacement then beg to get back into the game?

if MBF is not lynched today..I will be shocked.

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I have only skimmed the last 2 pages, but see that MBF is at -1....good with my vote..also want to hear the claim.

will try to post something more in the next couple of days.

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going out of town today...going to try my best to catch up thoroughly from the last 2 pages...no promises though..will be back in town on Sunday.

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speaking of lurking...I am back..going to catch up on the game ASAP

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Ok catching up, updating from about page 23..writing and opinion forming as reading.
CK does a PbP/case on MBF. I think Ck brings up good points in reference to MBF. I find it TSQ’s position quite interesting(589). Did you read CK’s post? He DID bring up points and give you the EXACT post of what he was commenting on. So instead of addressing the points made in the post he shoves it off with theory conversation….blahh..

I don't have the time nor energy to read a very potentially biased summary of every post MBF has ever made.

If you are so concerned that CK is slanting his case, why are you not cross referencing the post for accuracy? Why do you think that CK could be biased? Why ARENT you concerned with why CK might be biased?
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Ugh, more conversation about game theory (how to do a PbP, by TSQ)..less talk about theory, more talk about this game. Hey TSQ, lets say for an instance that CK’s post was a case and not a PbP….what is your thoughts about his points? You seem to ignoring that post content to focus on theory bullshit….bottom line..he is town and thinks MBF is scum and this is why (his post) or he is scum throwing up a wall of words to jump on a wagon…I don’t give a shit if you personally don’t like PbP so quit smoking up the place and address the fire.
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Gorrad(601) why do you think MBF is protown..would like reasons please…maybe throw in some posts that do it for you.
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Citizen Karne, TSQ is right about your pbpa. It's unbelievably slanted against me. You went through all my posts, tried to find everything that could be construed as suspicious, and put it all together as evidence that I'm scum. It's tunnelvisioning, and it's not good. You're just doing what I've been doing. It's very hypocritical. Like so:

thats not what he did...what exactly is a case then?...going back and pulling posts that give you an impression of guilt....CK pulled all of your posts....so you are faulting him for being thorough?..bullshit.

I still think Izzy is the lynch for today, and I don't like how this MBF thing has developed, sort of out of left field.

left field huh? your resistance to give validity to the MBF case is noted. Where (and when) exactly did the case come from..interested on your view on this.

Yeah, once I forced you to. But you and TSQ, people who have once said that they thought I was town, almost let me die without saying a damn thing.

whoa where did TSQ say you are town...I must have missed that.

Ahh, TSQ addresses that in 614.

.
I appreciate MBF’s post (618)..except

something that I noticed is that almost ALL of you who suspect Gorrad think "I bet MBF's scum with Gorrad". Likewise for those of you who suspect Izzy. Wouldn't it be better to lynch one of them, rather than me? If I'm dead, then regardless of my alignment, you'll be trying to decide between killing Gorrad or Izzy, and if I'm a dead townie and another townie dies, then this decision could be the one that dictates whether or not the town wins. If I'm scum, you haven't made hardly any progress by killing me (because you're still split into factions). If I'm town, then not only are you undecided, but you've also put yourself in lynch-or-lose position tomorrow.

this is crap. I am on the fence on Gorrad and think Izzy might be town. After reading thoroughly, I am seeing a TSQ/MBF connection. When/if you flip scum, will speak volumes for TSQ lack of content/theory rants today.


Gorrad thinks MBF claimed vanilla…I read it has him being townie..not vanilla…MBF confirms this claim.

Just curious mike, what animal are you?

umm, pretty sure he claimed toad.

There was also something that ticked me off from CKD, but I don't remember. I'll have to look and see.

lol, ticked you off?

I am curious as to why you believe TSQ to be town. He was absent for a good portion of the game, and when he has been present he has been doing things like arguing why a pbpa is bad and asking everybody questions instead of giving his opinion on people (other than Izzy). Hell, getting his opinion about my bandwagon was like pulling teeth.

this is actually a good post....do I see a MBFscum making this comment about TSQscum at this point?....well, if he was trying to distance maybe....hmmmm

+++
I am still good with MBF being a lynch today…TSQ has risen on my suspicion list. I don’t know if he is just tunnel visioning on izzy or just ignoring the cases on MBF. Gorrad and RR being non players has bothered me..i have seen them both be more active…

Interested in hearing from both....

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well there is no need to hammer quite yet.....still want to hear from RR and gorrad today versus tomorrow..or at least why they dont have time to post.

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dont have time to really reply all that has been posted..and thought this was interesting

As for CKD, he's just another one of the people who say I'm scum and will do anything to justify it. His last post reads like this:
TSQ and MBF aren't suspicious of each other! They must be scum....

TSQ and MBF are expression suspicion of each other! They must be distancing...

in reference to the bolded...i wasnt trying to put forth this as part of my case (which was posted pages ago)

I am curious as to why you believe TSQ to be town. He was absent for a good portion of the game, and when he has been present he has been doing things like arguing why a pbpa is bad and asking everybody questions instead of giving his opinion on people (other than Izzy). Hell, getting his opinion about my bandwagon was like pulling teeth.

this is actually a good post....do I see a MBFscum making this comment about TSQscum at this point?....well, if he was trying to distance maybe....hmmmm

the fact that it was a good point made me think it out....did I say "well mbf is suspicious of TSQ, proof they are distancing"..no..I said MAYBE that post would make since if he was distancing...I wasnt presenting it as proof...I brought it up, because you DID make a good post that I think was worth repeating and I dont know if youscum would say that to tsqscum...but the fact you focus on that to discredit me without addressing my case (which was posted pages ago) or anything else in the that post should be quite telling to all..also where did I say that YOU are scum BECAUSE you and TSQ are not suspicious of each other...I never said anything remotely close to that....guess you are really feeling the heat if you are blatantly lying...you are scum for many other reasons, none of which has anything to do with your interaction (or lack of) with TSQ.

Also where did I say that TSQ expressed suspicion of you?..if you read my post...one of my biggest problems with TSQ is is lack of addressing you...or blowing smoke.

again, if MBF is not lynched today...I will be shocked.

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and for shits and giggles..CK can you post 3 reasons (and provide posts) for why you think MBF is scum...when he does that TSQ can you address it?

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sry maybe you missed the post.

please dont ignore.

dont have time to really reply all that has been posted..and thought this was interesting

As for CKD, he's just another one of the people who say I'm scum and will do anything to justify it. His last post reads like this:
TSQ and MBF aren't suspicious of each other! They must be scum....

TSQ and MBF are expression suspicion of each other! They must be distancing...

in reference to the bolded...i wasnt trying to put forth this as part of my case (which was posted pages ago)

I am curious as to why you believe TSQ to be town. He was absent for a good portion of the game, and when he has been present he has been doing things like arguing why a pbpa is bad and asking everybody questions instead of giving his opinion on people (other than Izzy). Hell, getting his opinion about my bandwagon was like pulling teeth.

this is actually a good post....do I see a MBFscum making this comment about TSQscum at this point?....well, if he was trying to distance maybe....hmmmm

the fact that it was a good point made me think it out....did I say "well mbf is suspicious of TSQ, proof they are distancing"..no..I said MAYBE that post would make since if he was distancing...I wasnt presenting it as proof...I brought it up, because you DID make a good post that I think was worth repeating and I dont know if youscum would say that to tsqscum...but the fact you focus on that to discredit me without addressing my case (which was posted pages ago) or anything else in the that post should be quite telling to all..also where did I say that YOU are scum BECAUSE you and TSQ are not suspicious of each other...I never said anything remotely close to that....guess you are really feeling the heat if you are blatantly lying...you are scum for many other reasons, none of which has anything to do with your interaction (or lack of) with TSQ.

Also where did I say that TSQ expressed suspicion of you?..if you read my post...one of my biggest problems with TSQ is is lack of addressing you...or blowing smoke.

again, if MBF is not lynched today...I will be shocked.

[curiouskarmadog]

will get to this in a couple days.

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being prodded?..didnt know the game had started...interesting.

I still dont see Izzy as scum. The duck claim (before we knew anything about ducks) is pretty hard to swallow...for many different reasons. Also, if Gorrad knew who his mafia buddies were I dont see any reason for him to push for Izzyscum

I feel good about scot, though Raging's point about giving scum day kill(s) seems like a quick reason not to address scot. you have never seen a game that a scum variant had a day kill?

that leaves dahill, ML, and raging...going to give them a look over tomorrow....though both ML's and dahill's push for the Izzy wagon out of the gate...looks thought out.

I have only been in a game once (maybe twice) where there was a traitor...how do you tell if the traitor has been recruited or not? Also going to reread gorrad.

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rereading still updating with thoughts today.

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work is killing me..i am trying though.

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wow, i am not the only one not really posting...going to hit this, this weekend..hopefully it will at least spawn some conversation.

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OK finished the reread.
Again, feeling good about Scot. Even though I am sure that I have seen a game where scum (an SK) had a daykill or two…I am just not seeing it in this game. The only troubling thing (WIFOM) is that mafia wasn’t worried enough about scot to off him last night. As far as I can see, scot has never mentioned if his ability was one shot or not…so to me…scot seems dangerous ESPECIALLY if he just offed scum…but who knows….I think he is town.

Not liking how people are all too willing to just jump right on a Dizzy wagon…or at least exploring a possibility right out of the gate

I got an early scum vibe off CK, but felt he had sort of redeemed himself in this game appears to be scum hunting, or maybe he is just throwing shit to see what sticks. On the fence about CK

Why I say shit is because I have seen two games that killing the traitor resulted in the recruitment of said traitor. I thought that was how recruiting traitors worked and that that was common knowledge. I have not been in too many games with (effective) traitors. I was curious to see how far CK would push it or if he would let it drop if no one jumped on board…but the games seems to have stalled out.

One game is …Mini 678

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9466

the other I remember reading after a nomination one year..cant find it though and lack the time to go through pages of posts.

In this game (I was scum)..targetting the traitor for the kill recruited him. I think CK's "catch" of a slip seems stretchy.

On another note, I have seen other games that when the traitor died without being recruited he died as “Unrecruited Traitor”..having trouble finding it…but what I am wondering and would like people to comment on..is how can you tell if Gorrad had been recruited or not? Are traitors aways recruitable, if so, does the mafia usually know this? Also does anyone know if the traitor KNEW who his mafia group was?....I am really uncertain how traitors work. If gorrad DID know…then that is another point for Dizzy being town…I just don’t see a traitor bussing that hard. If anyone has experience in this, I am interested and I think it would shed a ton of light on gorrad and others.

CK have you been in any games with traitors?

That being said, what I don’t like about dahill was I think he was the first to catch gorrad’s “breadcrumb”. Now that doesn’t mean anything per say, because rereading gorrad it sticks out like a sore thumb…..so that is either a strike against (mafia looking for it having knowledge of a traitor, trying to use it agianst someone?) or a strike for (did he catch it because he is actually scum hunting trying to find anyone linked to gorrad?). Dahill is also one of those jumping on the Dizzy wagon (I am pretty sure that dizzy is town).

Dahill, I would like to hear your thoughts on ML, RR, CK, and myself…if this is a repeat question..sorry..but have you ever been in a game with a traitor?..if so, can you link please?

I think RR and ML have been under the radar….both are sticking out to me in the reread, but ML is looking townish. Even though he has mentioned suspicion of Dizzy today..he is not jumping out hitting that wagon hardcore…I like the fact that he is rereading and note the posted about CK (773)…CK has posted but has not addressed the post…(hoping it goes away?)

I would like to see CK address this.

anyway, on fence about ML, but leaning town.

RR has risen on the list. He has done absolutely nothing in this game and seems to be floating along or casting wide nets….what I find really interesting..is the only person he has seriously voted for this entire game is scot. He has thrown a lot of suspicion around and really rode MBF yesterday…but when it came down to a hammer….he made a big deal about not wanting to hammer without more validation. He continued to beat down MBF adding to the pile of suspicion..but never voted.

Why is that RR? RR, can you please update your thoughts on dahill, CK, ML, and myself?

[curiouskarmadog]

here...will update something (though not much going on) today or tomorrow

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Ok am I caught up (majority of posts were "I am not going to be here” posts)..some things sticking out to me.

dahill's post asking to see some of my games looks false. Why do you want to see games?...if you look at my profile I list my last 10 games and every game I have ever played (though I need to update 3-4 games)...I even provided a link to a game that I was mafia (the traitor example)....I dont think i understand what you want us to think you are looking for. Why didnt you ask for me to provide you examples of (fill in the blank).

I cant fault CK for thinking that MBF was scum…I was sure he was too…so sure I thought I also knew who is scum partner was. ML’s point about the FoSes vs. votes still stand, but I think CK addressed the post. What I am concerned with today is CK’s lack of anything that isn’t defensive. Now I understand when being attacked sometimes all you have time for is your defense….but no one is attacking CK hard core, and the game is stalling so there has been plenty of time to scum hunt.

CK, I would like you hear your thoughts on dahill, ML, and RR. Have your opinions of any of these players changed throughout the game? Why? If you HAD to pick a scum group right now…who would they be? Do you think we are in lylo?

RR is still under the radar, though is current lack of posting is getting him deserved heat. Hey RR, why no love here, but you are posting elsewhere? Also would like you to address my other questions.

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RR is not posting anywhere on the site?

isnt raging wishbone and raging rabbit the same person?

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@CKD: lol "false"? i know you've heard of meta-ing before. i was looking for games you have been in as scum which would obviously help me to see your playstyle as scum and compare to this one. as for why i didn't look in your profile/whatnot, i'm lazy.

you asked for a game (not a scum game)...also you asked AFTER I POSTED a game where I stated I was scum..please explain.

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oh I read that wrong...but again, you posted that AFTER i posted a game where I stated I was scum...so if you are trying to get a read on my like you were saying...why not check out that game I posted?

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did you read the game I provided?

are you saying you did see that link?

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I believe raging wishbone is a multiheaded account. CKD, this seems like a strange thing to get worked up about. Dahill wasn't accusing you of being scum; he simply wanted to meta you, and one game is really enough to establish a meta. Really, it seems like you are trying to hide something here. I think as town you would have simply provided the games for him.

ugh, that is why I hate multi ran accounts...but good note.

however,

you seem to be missing my point scot. He asked for a scum AFTER I had provided one (ironically to defend a point of his). I am trying to figure out if he is asking for a scum game to scum hunt or if he is trying to look like he is scum hunting. I dont have a problem providing ANOTHER game, I have pointed him to my profile that lists DOZENS of scum games. But is admittedly says he is too lazy. Seems to me if he really wanted to meta me, he would have checked out the link I posted in thread already.

this seems like an attempt to look like he is scum hunting..when in fact he isnt. Scot, did you read the timing of the posts (ie when I posted the link versus when he asked for one) before making this post?

dahill, again, did you read the game I linked? What did you learn from it..seems like it would be a good game to read since I was a scum AND there was a traitor in the game? Do you still want another one? IF so, did you check out my profile or do you want me to post a link?

still wanting to hear from RR, before my vote.

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Interesting.

He asked you to post games ckd. He didn't know you had all of your games in your wiki. One game as scum is not enough for a meta.

As he says, he is going to want more than one game

. Your reaction to this is pretty scummy. I don't see why you would do what you are doing as town. Right now you are looking scummiest to me right now due to your reaction.

bah

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

does this sound like he acknowledged that I posted a scum game?

interesting how you say that my scum hunting is really a "reaction". I am trying to find out somethings. If I didnt think you were town, I truly would be all over

your

reaction.

Scot, since you think my reaction is so scummy..

the bolded part of your quote is EXACTLY MY POINT. please explain to me why dahill was asking for "some" games after I posted a game. If he saw my game like he is indicating, why isnt he asking to see "more" scum games. He was not asking for MORE games...he was asking for SOME games...he only asked for MORE games after I started making a big deal out of the post.

I find him asking for games suspicious. I think he is trying to look like he is scum hunting....I know he saw that post (with the link) because it directly had something to do with what he was talking about.

The fact that he asked for "some" games, means he didnt read the one I had posted...if he truly wanted to get a read on me, why not read that game.....the fact that he said "if any, as scum" means he had no clue I was scum in that game....

I am calling bullshit...scot please explain how this is not suspicous.

the more I talk about it..the more I think dahill is scum...

vote dahill

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I am really at a loss here....

I dont see how no one sees what I am saying.

He wants people to think he is scum hunting by reviewing scum games, but totally doesnt read the scum game I post....HOW IS THAT NOT SCUMMY?

the fact he says "some" versus "more" IS a catch I think. It proves my point that he didnt read the game. The fact that he didnt read the game proves that he is just blowing smoke by asking for games.

Dizzy, if you think it is such a bad case, do you think it was a scummy one?...if so, why not vote me?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok..got to be gone until friday..

interested in seeing what develops in that time..

also interested in hearing what RR and CK have to say (though if I was a betting man, I know what RR will open with).

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@CKD: lol "false"? i know you've heard of meta-ing before. i was looking for games you have been in as scum which would obviously help me to see your playstyle as scum and compare to this one. as for why i didn't look in your profile/whatnot, i'm lazy.

does this sound like he read the link I provided him scot? Does this sound like he checked out my profile for ANY OF MY SCUM GAMES scot? If this isnt proof..I dont know what is.

scot are you fucking insane??...I told him where he could find EVERY SCUM GAME I HAVE EVER BEEN IN (but you seem to be ignoring that, why?)....HE SAID HE WAS TOO LAZY TO LOOK THEM UP?! (you are now lying saying I refused to provide him games, why? why are you also ignoring his lazy comment?)....again, if he was really trying to scum hunt like he says...why on earth would he ask for games...then say he was too lazy to read them?

what I dont understand is why scot is going so far out of his way to defend dahill. so lets say for the sake of scot's defense of dahill that the "some" was a term used mainly for CK, to include me...please explain scot why if he was really wanted to scum hunt...why he was so lazy to read my games....he only started reading my games AFTER I called him out on being lazy..

jesus, I dont want to go away right now....shit like this drives me up the fucking wall.

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lets just solve this little issue right now then..

dahill did you read the scum game a posted a link for...if so when?

[curiouskarmadog]

lets just solve this little issue right now then..

dahill did you read the scum game

I

posted a link for...if so when?

edited..

also, if you read this today dahill, please post today...I am heading out tonight...and I really want to comment before I leave.


Scot if you think that I am withholding information (like my previous scum games)...why would I provide a link to a scum game (before asked) AND provide the names of EVERY game I have ever been in? You are right, i am not an idiot, in a game that has stalled and is full of lurkers, I am trying to scum hunt (which is more than what ANYONE else is doing)...the smallest slip (even if it is a semantices issue) can expose scum.....are you really not seeing where I am coming from at all? I dont think he read my posted game before his request, which makes his request for games a weak attempt to appear to be scum hunting....

[curiouskarmadog]

around but busy..will try to hit this up this weekend....little has been said in my lapse however.

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Well I got a prod?

I guess I can see how dahill could have said "some" for CK and include my name. Again, it seems(ed) that it was an attempt to look like scum hunting...I didnt think he read the game I posted...which bothered me when he asked for "some". The reason I voted (answering dahill?) was because the more i talked about it..the more passionate I got about it and realized that I felt strongly about the "catch".

though I am not completely believing that you read it when you said you did, I am not as certian as I once was..and can see how I might be wrong...only time will tell I guess..

unvote.

I would place my vote on RR, but I dont think he is lurking to avoid heat (now). other than that..he has really done little in this game to judge him on. He needs to be replaced...

CK did you ever answer this..if so..please provide the post number...might be overlooking it.

CK, I would like you hear your thoughts on dahill, ML, and RR. Have your opinions of any of these players changed throughout the game? Why? If you HAD to pick a scum group right now…who would they be? Do you think we are in lylo?

[curiouskarmadog]

will update before Friday...

the quick of it....dahill and CK atm.

also

"

Your questions are scummy,

just reread the whole game"

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Ok got 20 minutes to post something.
Top two scum.

First dahill, reason 1.) (rehashed) I really think you need to read how and when things happened…but the skinny of it was this. In a discussion about a traitor (ironically helping dahill) I post a game that I was in where I was scum. Later Dahill posts..

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

This rubbed me wrong. To me it seemed like he was just trying to look like he was scum hunting. I had already posted one game. That fact he was asking me to post “some” games, seemed like he had not read the first game I had linked. Which made me wonder if he was really trying to get a read on me..why did he not read that game. He states that he did indeed read the game, but wanted more. Which is fine. If he has asked me for “more” games it would not have hit my radar. The fact he asked for “some” seemed like he really wasn’t reading. Yes is semantics…but the fucking devil in is the details.

2.) Out of the gate today he was through more suspicion on Dizzy who I feel is town…you really need to read the game to see what is going on here.

3.) he was still pushing a case on RR (who has not been posting) and is in fact gone and not just lurking.

The other CK.

CK hit my radar early game (read the game to find out why)….now appears to be lurking until a wagon hits…..the under the radar bit until heat gets going is suspicious

…..

Here is a question for you XYL

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

Where did you indicate that you were going to read the game before deadline if at all before this post? Are you planning on reading the game before deadline...if so when?..if not why?

You

do

need to read the fucking game. this statement is also scummy....scot did not imply he had a problem with you asking questions as you are implying..he has a problem with you not reading the game. Where did he state that he had a problem with you asking questions.

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Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified), nothing I can do there. Right now I'm trying to get a handle on the game and form some opinions on who's scum, and

I can do that better by asking questions first and reading later

.

not answering my questions.

where did scot imply that he had a problem with your questions?

Did you indicate anywhere before that post that you intended to read the thread?

are you going to read the game?

if so, before deadline?

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going to update today or tomorrow...I know deadline hits tomorrow.

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Updating from page 37…typing as reading.

So CKD, how about instead of harassing me about whether and when I'm going to read the game, you answer questions 2 and 3?

why the fuck will you not answer the question...you implied that scot had a problem with asking you question...he didnt....the answer to 2 and 3 is he didnt...you made it up...now here is a new question that you will probably go to the ends of the earth to avoid..

WHY did you say that scot had a problem with you asking questions when in fact he never implied anything of the such? One more question(and you should appreciate this one). Why do you have a problem with me asking you questions? You must if you went to this extreme to avoid answering mine?

==
Noting that it could 3 pages of pushing to get Xyl to read the game.

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Sigh. Excuse me while I snap here.

DizzyIzzy: I am

trying to fucking scumhunt

in the best way that I can, and you are

actively opposing my efforts

. Just because you think that right way to catch up on a game is to read it from page 1 and moving forward doesn't make it so, and I will read the game in

any damn order I want to

. I do not intend to ignore everything that has gone before. Now, give me

one fucking reason

I should not assume you are being uncooperative because you're

frightened scum

. And while you're at it, if you're town it wouldn't hurt you to

answer the damn questions

.

two notes on this exchange....Xyl, you are not fucking scum hunting (at the point of this post)...if you were doing everything you could you would have read the fucking game.

Dizzy, you are being as stubborn as Xyl...why? There is no reason not to proivde you opinions on players or whatever he was asking. How is that pro town?

Both of you are being fucking anti-town, hypocritical, and scummy. Xyl is a fucking joke by saying dizzy is being uncooperative when he has refused to answer my questions.

==

I'm not refusing to answer them, I'm just not doing it until he's read the game.

Why?

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Okay, confession time #2.

On that basis, curiouskarmadog (who answered question #1 but skipped #2 and #3) and DizzyIzzy (who is refusing to answer my questions at all) look pretty bad. I'll concentrate my read on them.

wait, you are talking about questions you have posed? I thought I addressed the questions you asked...looking back.

1) Who do you think is scum? Name at least two people. Briefly, why?
2) Did any of the role reveals surprise you? Whose? Briefly, why?
3) Any events that you think are extra-important for me to read?

Ok got 20 minutes to post something.
Top two scum.

First dahill, reason 1.) (rehashed) I really think you need to read how and when things happened…but the skinny of it was this. In a discussion about a traitor (ironically helping dahill) I post a game that I was in where I was scum. Later Dahill posts..

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

This rubbed me wrong. To me it seemed like he was just trying to look like he was scum hunting. I had already posted one game. That fact he was asking me to post “some” games, seemed like he had not read the first game I had linked. Which made me wonder if he was really trying to get a read on me..why did he not read that game. He states that he did indeed read the game, but wanted more. Which is fine. If he has asked me for “more” games it would not have hit my radar. The fact he asked for “some” seemed like he really wasn’t reading. Yes is semantics…but the fucking devil in is the details.

2.) Out of the gate today he was through more suspicion on Dizzy who I feel is town…you really need to read the game to see what is going on here.

3.) he was still pushing a case on RR (who has not been posting) and is in fact gone and not just lurking.

The other CK.

CK hit my radar early game (read the game to find out why)….now appears to be lurking until a wagon hits…..the under the radar bit until heat gets going is suspicious

That answers question 1….2 I thought was a silly question…nothing surprises me in this (or any) game. As for question 3, I mention at least once in this post that you should go back and read this interchange between dahill and I and form your own opinion…did you miss it?

Right now, I am not digging RR replacement at all…his entrance to this game has been super scummy…refusing to answer questions, refusing to read the game until he was forced to, implying that scot said something he blatantly didn’t, and implying that I am not addressing questions…when I did (with the exception of question 2…which doesn’t seem relevant.)

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Here's the first post where CKD gives any indication he believes anyone else to be town (aside from a brief mention of Izzy earlier)...

Funny that his strongest town read on anyone who isn't role-confirmed is "on the fence, but leaning town". He's definitely leaving himself wiggle room to come out as suspicious of anyone here.

from post 923.

I left myself wiggle room?...bullshit. I am one of the only person at this point in the game to express my opinion and scum hunt. CK and RR are not posting so how am I suppose to get a read off them?..asking questions….I love how you take a scum hunting post and say I am leaving myself wiggle room. I also state that RR has risen on my scum list….and also express my suspicion of dahill.

I state in that post I feel that dizzy and scot are town…and say that ML is under the radar, but I feel townish vibes off him….

Wiggle room my ass….

Also, the first post there, where he says "that leaves dahill, ML, and raging". CKD: What happened to Citizen Karne in that list?

At that point I felt he was town(ish), which I mention in a later post….felt dahill, ML, RR were the question marks..after rereading more and a couple more posts from CK…my opinion changed from townish to on the fence and changed again later to scummish….my opinion of ML changed too..he went from question mark to townish.

==

Ckd, it appears that I'm your top scum candidate at the moment..but you're not voting for me. In fact, you recently just unvoted me. Any reason for that?

What made me vote you to begin with was the “some” vs. “more” comment. The more I talked about it the more I was certain you were scum. But as scot pointed out…the “some” could have been for CK benefit and I was added on the question. I can see his how that might have occurred…so my “catch” might not actually be a catch. I still don’t like your play (for already stated reasons)..but not enough for a vote.

Dahill, another question for you (thought I asked this already, but don’t see it)..you asked CK and I for games….CK only said he has not been scum in any games…does that mean you didn’t want him to post any other games?...I never saw I follow up to that..why?

==

mikeburnfire - Scum. Should be hammered.
Gorrad - Also scum. Needs lynching.
dahill1 - Seems consistently productive. Lean town, don't rule out scum playing well, though.
curiouskarmadog - Behaviour consistent with past experience of CKD town play. Probable town.
Raging Rabbit - Lean town-aligned idiot. Play is more stupid than scummy.
scotmany12 - Tunelled on Gorrad. Good target, though. Lean town, possible scum, particularly in the unlikely event that Gorrad flips town. Also potential serial killer if we have multiple scum groups, though I think that's unlikely.
MacavityLock - Productive. Forward thinking. Lean town.
Citizen Karne - Productive, if misguided. Weak town lead, possible scum.
Thestatusquo - Potential third scum. Null read so far, potentially scummy behaviour today could be due to personal issues. Still.. my favoured target for member #1 of a three man team.

Mmm.

Izzy, could you elaborate on your read on CKD here?

Izzy, could you elaborate on your read on CKD here?

My past experience with CKD is that he's rather prone to making questionable judgments and drawing illogical conclusions when town while gettign tunnelled on issues that are of minor importance at best. I don't see his play in this game as being inconsistent with that.

Wait a fucking minute…you posted that at 706

At that time..we were BOTH voting for MBF..as a matter of fact..you were yelling for MBF’s hammer. What was I doing at this point that was a “questionable judgement” or an “illogical conclusion”?…you agreed with me. Why does this feel like you are saying what you think Xyl wants to hear?

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That's a stupid approach, Xyl. I'm not refusing to answer your questions. I said I would answer them when you finish your re-read. You completely invalidate any point to your approach by announcing what you intend to do before the point at which I'd said I'd answer your questions, suince now there's no way for you to test whether I was trying to avoid answering or, y;'know, actually sticking to the principle that you should be reading the whole damn thread. Nice work, scum.

Your "principle" is stupid and scummy. There is no protown reason for you to not answer until I finish reading; it's just a stalling tactic.

Negative. There is a very pro-town reason to be opposed to doing your work for you - namely, that it prevents you from playing as lazy scum and simply coming to concllusions based upon other people's answers which you can then blame them for to avoid suspicion if we were to lynch a town player. Frankly, the fact that you asked those quetsions before reading a game is scummier than my refusal to answer them until you've read it.

ok, but now that appears he is reading the game..what is your excuse?

==


Ha..ML explains better why Dizzy’s post bothers me. “backfill”….ML you should wiki that for credit

The more I think about it, the more I think this is a clear scumtell from Izzy. While the "illogical conclusions and tunneling" read on ckd is totally reasonable right now based on his interactions with dahill, it wasn't when Izzy posted her quick reads on everybody on day 2. I double-checked, and I don't see anything from ckd on days 1 or 2 that would fit. Therefore, it seems obvious to me that Izzy was making stuff up then and tried to find something to say now that would fit when Xyl asked about it. I don't know if this scumtell has a name, but I'm going to call it "backfill". And Izzy backfilled.

Vote: Izzy

P.S. Thanks Shanba.

Caught up…

Was thinking the RR/Xyl had to be scum until Dizzy's recent posts.

want to hear both answer my questions...

I want CK to fucking post anything.

[curiouskarmadog]

FUCKING ANSWER MY GOD DAMN QUESTIONS XYL!

NO MORE IGNORING THEM..

ALSO EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE STALLING ANSWERING THEM!

[curiouskarmadog]

updating today or tomorrow...or...

"Will post later"

[curiouskarmadog]

I say

replace him...

the game has stalled (yes, i still need to update the past 2 pages, work is kicking my ass)

[curiouskarmadog]

Substantially similar to the last Vote Count:

2: Xylthixlm

(CDB, izzy)

2: curiouskarmadog

(scot, Xyl)

1: ChannelDelibird

(ckd)

1: Dizzyizzyb13

(MacLock)
Not Voting:

SensFan

but with updated names! And two extra votes.

dont think i am voting anyone at the moment....unvoted dahil

going to update soon

[curiouskarmadog]

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

You realize I have half a mind to requesti replacement right now, right?

--

why, am I wrong? you usually just post in a sentence or two....at least in every game i have ever been in with you. I am not saying you dont have stuff to say...I am just saying to not expect any long or numerous posts from you.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

You realize I have half a mind to requesti replacement right now, right?

--

why, am I wrong? you usually just post in a sentence or two....at least in every game i have ever been in with you. I am not saying you dont have stuff to say...I am just saying to not expect any long or numerous posts from you.

You're as wrong as can possibly be.

I consider myself at least average in post length, frequency, and quality.

I could list games, but it has been awhile go...maybe you have evolved.

I look forward to you proving me wrong.

[curiouskarmadog]

Here we are.

Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified), nothing I can do there. Right now I'm trying to get a handle on the game and form some opinions on who's scum, and

I can do that better by asking questions first and reading later

.

not answering my questions.

where did scot imply that he had a problem with your questions?

I didn't say he had a problem with my questions.

Did you indicate anywhere before that post that you intended to read the thread?

No. Happy?

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

You implied here you thought Scot had a problem with you questions. he was pressuring you to read the game (which up until this point you implied you werent)..when he did that, you flipped it around on him and tried to make him look scummy...I want to know WHAT scot said that gave you the impression he had a problem with you getting information before you read...

I dont think he did...I think you were trying to make his pressuring look scummy which in turn is scummy. You never indicated that you were going to read the game at this point...you sort of slipped that in there to help make scot more scummy looking. All he wanted you to do was read the game....but you tried to quiet him with this bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, I have a question for you. Why are you acting as if you're pissed that I didn't answer questions which you obviously already know the answer to? When I ask a question like that, I consider it a "rhetorical question" and don't expect an answer.

my question were not rhetorical. again with you flipping shit around.

that should have been fucking obvious because I KEPT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER....

[curiouskarmadog]

Oh, missed one more.

Why do you have a problem with me asking you questions?

Because your questions are questions you already know the answer to, and you're only asking them because you want me to say the answer. I see no reason to play that game.

If you have any questions where you are genuinely curious about the answer, ask away.

I am not asking questions I know the answer to....I wanted to know WHERE scot gave you such and such impression...the truth is he didnt...YOU FUCKING KNEW HE DIDNT AND YOU TRIED TO AVOID MY QUESTION....I caught you in a obvious scum act...and you are trying to AGAIN, make legitimate scum hunting look scum.

VOTE Xylthixlm

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you have a problem with me getting some information

before I read?

You were getting on my case about not reading, when I had clearly stated that I wanted to get some information before I did my read. I'm not sure the question could be any clearer.

LIE

where did you state (before your scummy implication toward scot) that you wanted information

before you read?

answer:

Did you indicate anywhere before that post that you intended to read the thread?

No. Happy?

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry for multiple posts...but did want the individual points to be lost.....more later today when I get home from work.

[curiouskarmadog]

Still waiting on answers to my question list from:

curiouskarmadog
DizzyIzzyb13
Citizen Karne

That should give me some clues on where to start reading

Again you warp shit. You say that “where to start reading”..AGAIN, you were refusing to read the whole game, which was the issue.

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. <b>Reread the whole fucking game.</b>

When scot says that you hit him with…

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

Your contribution in this game? Throwing bullshit suspicion on scot, by saying he has a problem with you getting some information before reading.
Does this post sound like you were going to read the whole game are just parts?

Okay, confession time.
The real reason I don't reread games when I replace isn't to annoy scotmany. Shocking, I know. The real reason is my eyes start glazing over about five pages in, and I stop paying attention and fall asleep. I need to be looking for specific things when I read or I won't get anything out of it.

Another interesting point..

I asked some questions of everyone when I replaced in. One of them was designed to scare scum into not answering it (it was something like "Which flip surprised you most and why?"). ckd answered one of the other questions, but skipped that one.

Did everyone answer that question? If not, why are you not stating that your “trap” caught them too? This is just another example how he is utter crap to support a case. He is trying anything to support himself. Why didn’t you bring this up when you mentioned I didn’t answer it before? I think it is because you are getting desperate.

I did answer, but I'll just answer it again.
Obviously scum won't have actually been surprised at any of the flips, so they'll have to lie about the answer. Lying raises the possibility that someone will find an inconsistency and call them out on it. Worse, it's not a very common question, so scum won't have a "correct" answer prepared; answering looks very risky! Much easier to find some excuse to dodge the question and avoid the risk.

Oh my god….I don’t think I have read anything more ridiculous. “Scum wont have actually been surprised ay any flops?” Really? How do you know what scum is surprised with or not?

Confirm vote

…..nice.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not saying it's a 100% foolprooof test or anything. It was just a way of finding some likely candidates. But ckd's play has been moderately scummy all game, and his furious attempts to discredit me look like I hit a nerve with the trap.

LOL, now it isnt 100% fool proof....nice back pedal

scotmany, I was speaking in general there. In case you've forgotten

I'm a replacement

. I wasn't here for any of the flips, so I can't exactly have been surprised by them.

I guess you cant be seeing that you didnt read the whole game and know the context of them....more back pedal

Anyways, what are scum going to do, say "I was surprised by Gorrad's flip but not any of the others"? They obviously still have to lie.

2) Gorrad being a traitor surprised me. I was certain he was scum, but the traitor role just surprised me.

Interesting…so did scot fall into your trap?
How do you know who is lying and who is not? Your question 2 was about roles not alignments. Don’t act like it was anything but. No roles surprise me in this game anymore.

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd, why didn't you answer the question? Pardon me if I've asked this already.

==

Okay, confession time #2.

On that basis, curiouskarmadog (who answered question #1 but skipped #2 and #3) and DizzyIzzy (who is refusing to answer my questions at all) look pretty bad. I'll concentrate my read on them.

wait, you are talking about questions you have posed? I thought I addressed the questions you asked...looking back.

1) Who do you think is scum? Name at least two people. Briefly, why?
2) Did any of the role reveals surprise you? Whose? Briefly, why?
3) Any events that you think are extra-important for me to read?

Ok got 20 minutes to post something.
Top two scum.

First dahill, reason 1.) (rehashed) I really think you need to read how and when things happened…but the skinny of it was this. In a discussion about a traitor (ironically helping dahill) I post a game that I was in where I was scum. Later Dahill posts..

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

This rubbed me wrong. To me it seemed like he was just trying to look like he was scum hunting. I had already posted one game. That fact he was asking me to post “some” games, seemed like he had not read the first game I had linked. Which made me wonder if he was really trying to get a read on me..why did he not read that game. He states that he did indeed read the game, but wanted more. Which is fine. If he has asked me for “more” games it would not have hit my radar. The fact he asked for “some” seemed like he really wasn’t reading. Yes is semantics…but the fucking devil in is the details.

2.) Out of the gate today he was through more suspicion on Dizzy who I feel is town…you really need to read the game to see what is going on here.

3.) he was still pushing a case on RR (who has not been posting) and is in fact gone and not just lurking.

The other CK.

CK hit my radar early game (read the game to find out why)….now appears to be lurking until a wagon hits…..the under the radar bit until heat gets going is suspicious

That answers question 1….2 I thought was a silly question…nothing surprises me in this (or any) game. As for question 3, I mention at least once in this post that you should go back and read this interchange between dahill and I and form your own opinion…did you miss it?

Right now, I am not digging RR replacement at all…his entrance to this game has been super scummy…refusing to answer questions, refusing to read the game until he was forced to, implying that scot said something he blatantly didn’t, and implying that I am not addressing questions…when I did (with the exception of question 2…which doesn’t seem relevant.)

[curiouskarmadog]

Xyl, scum don't know everyone's role. They can just as easily be surprised by a flip as town is. Do you think they wouldn't be surprised by the Gorrad flip if they were unaware that he was a traitor? I actually think you just slipped right there by saying scum won't be surprised by the flops. Only way someone would know that if they were scum and were not surprised.

2 I thought was a silly question…nothing surprises me in this (or any) game.

As scotmany so kindly pointed out,

everyone

should have been surprised by Gorrad's traitor flip. curiouskarmadog's glib "nothing surprises me" answer was either another attempt to evade the question, or an outright lie; take your pick.

2) The role reveal that surprised me the most was definitely mikeburnfire as I was sure he was scum. Mainly, he was pretty much back-and-forth buddying with Gorrad the entire game and once Gorrad was revealed to be a traitor that had done it for me, among other scummy things (read previous posts for reference).

2) Both lynch reveals surprised me, though MBF definitely more than Archon. In retrospect, Archon was typical VI, but during day 1 his play was lazy, lurky, and I thought that his iso post 12

What do you mean a duck? is this actually a part of the game?

was a scum-slip.

As for MBF, I definitely thought I caught a scum-slip when he talked about all frogs being vanilla. (Given the flips thus far, this is not true.) I thought he focused too much on flavor when flavor seemed (and still seems) to have told us nothing about the setup. He went back and forth a number of times as to whether or not Izzy was more or less scummy due to her duck claim. And there were links to Gorrad.

No mention of the Gorrad flip being surprising...keep fucking stretching....so did ML AND dahill also fall into your "trap" along with dizzy and I? Why no mention of that for them?

The question was about roles...nothing surprises me in regards to roles, is DIRECTLY answering your question...no evading there.

keep trying buddy...or are you going back to the "it wasnt 100% fool
proof" back pedal?

[curiouskarmadog]

confirm vote: Xylthixlm

[curiouskarmadog]

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

You realize I have half a mind to requesti replacement right now, right?

--

why, am I wrong? you usually just post in a sentence or two....at least in every game i have ever been in with you. I am not saying you dont have stuff to say...I am just saying to not expect any long or numerous posts from you.

[curiouskarmadog]

must be in LYLO....

I am sure that XYL is scum..given his play yesterday and my already stated case, he is scum...

not going to vote though until everyone states thier thoughts.

hey sens,

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

You realize I have half a mind to requesti replacement right now, right?

--

why, am I wrong? you usually just post in a sentence or two....at least in every game i have ever been in with you. I am not saying you dont have stuff to say...I am just saying to not expect any long or numerous posts from you.

fucking prove me wrong.

I would like to hear everyone's scum thoughts..

mine?


Xyl, SCUM!..I had you pegged yesterday, wished the majority would have listened to me yesterday instead of lynching a claimed mason..

ML, has been protown and a solid player all game...town

dahill was sketch in my book...what I found interesting was that CDB was talking about switching a vote to me or Xyl at the end of the day...but never did it, causing dizzy to get lynched...CDB, you felt Dizzy was scummer than Xyl..why?...thinking that he is probably scum with Xyl.

Sens/CK...fucking lurkers piss the hell out of me. Sens was posting all over sight and didnt check in here...either he is scum, or a vanilla...I have seen him play this way as vanilla...sens can you please post some recent games where you were scum. did you lurk in them too?

[curiouskarmadog]

Know what I like?

Your scum play. The entire damn game you constantly try to paint my play as scummy even though it is not.

I am not sure why you werent lynch yesterday for your blantant lies. you are acting like I havent thought dahill was scum...or you.....like it is a new development (avoiding suspicion on Sens). Sens is not in my top two scum because you and dahill are (since yesterday).....

have a feeling if came out today and said "I think Xyl and Sens are scum"...you would twist that around too...."oh look, CKD is obviously scum..he had no suspicion of Sens yesterday, but today now people are talking about him...CKD all of the sudden thinks Sens is scum" that is how you operate...that is how your scummy ass has operated all game.

Sens is a lurker...and now that we have to be in LYLO, this is the reason I dislike him as a player and called him on it immediately after he replaced yet another lurker. I dont think he is posting because he is either scum and is lurking to be under the radar (exactly what he is doing) or he is vanilla, bored with the game, and wants to spend his time with other more interesting roles. I got nothing to read CK/Sens on.....hoping the mod has a replacement for Sens...

question Xyl, if Sens is replaced...does your new found suspicion of him decrease or not change?

The fact that the mod is replacing him, leads me to believe that Sens has a vanilla role.

However, I got a ton to read on ML...and I am sure he is town...

I got a ton to read on you..and I am sure you are scum.

Think I have a read on dahill too..especially given his (CDB) play yesterday...makes since.

I think you are pissed because I caught you and AGAIN, you are trying any type of bullshit to discredit me....not caring how idiotic it is. Scot called you on it yesterday..I am calling you on it today...

Sens is not in my top two list because.....you and CDB are....as you two were yesterday.

Also since you tend to avoid questions for pages...I went ahead and bolded the question I

expect

an answer to.

[curiouskarmadog]

I can stay in the game, but don't expect a post until Monday or Tuesday.

To answer questions that I'm sure CKD asked:
*I purposely posted no content before deadline
*Me asking for replacement had nothing to do with this game

wait a minute, what?

why did you not post content?

why (and when) did you ask for a replacement?

also, I would like you to answer my question..

Sens/CK...fucking lurkers piss the hell out of me. Sens was posting all over sight and didnt check in here...either he is scum, or a vanilla...I have seen him play this way as vanilla...sens can you please post some recent games where you were scum. did you lurk in them too?

also, why do we have to wait till monday, when you have time to post all over site and ask to mod/join new games?....I am calling bullshit.

not that I want to agree with Xyl, but this

is

scummy

-------

speaking of scummy and not answering questions.

Xyl again you have failed to answer a question that not only did I bold, but made a point about you asnwering.

how long you plan on ignoring that question?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: Oops, didn't even see your post.

SensFan requested replacement for

ooo! forum drama

reasons that have nothing to do with this game. So, no change in suspicion. And it's not exactly "new found suspicion".

is there a post before today where you displayed suspicion of Sens? And why were suspicious of Sens?

I got a ton to read on you..and I am sure you are scum.

Really? Do elaborate. Have you compared my play to other games I've been in, or are you just going off things you think are generically scummy?

do you usually misrepresent facts in other games?

[curiouskarmadog]

The entire damn game you constantly try to paint my play as scummy even though it is not.

I assume you're conflating me with Raging Rabbit here, since I replaced in yesterday and haven't been here "the entire damn game". Or maybe one day's worth of calling your play scummy is driving you up the wall so much that you've forgotten that.

Anyways, you seem quite confident that your play isn't scummy. Did you actually analyze your own play, deliberately avoid scummy things, that sort of thing? Or are you just assuming that nothing you do could possibly be scummy?

jesus fucking christ...how you avoid direct points and scoot around your actions when someone calls you out....you also keep trying to distract with useless info.

i meant the entire game (that you have been here)..I think it was obvious and again an attempt for you distract....what was the point of that comment?

more distraction...no, I didnt analze my on play in this game?...why would I do that? what is the point of this comment? I say you are being scummy and you come back with "have you analzed your own play"? that is not a defense...that is a distraction....

I would like everyone to comment on this particular comment

Why would anyone town post this?

Why would someone who is "town", who is trying to paint me as scum, come back with this comment? I do not think I am scummy because I am not scum...

you are scum....your bullshit "traps", your avoidance of questions, your distractions, your back tracking, you play in general screams scum.


and now more lies...

I call his "suspicion" today of Sens convient...he comes back with his suspicion is hardly "new found"

I ask him..

is there a post before today where you displayed suspicion of Sens? And why were suspicious of Sens?

and provides this post.

That leaves curiouskarmadog, DizzyIzzyb13, and Citizen Karne. I could see any 2 of those 3 as being scum, but I'm definitely leaning towards curiouskarmadog being one of them.

CKD's behavior this game has definitely been geared towards generating suspicion and pushing lynches. Nothing he's done so far gives me a feeling he's town. #1 suspect.

DizzyIzzyb13 would be a logical CKD partner, but the cayke-Archon interaction gives me pause.

Citizen Karne... a read of his posts didn't turn up anything very scummy, but right now he's a big mystery to me. I'll need to dig in and find some good questions to ask him.

bullshit..that is your defense of your scummy actions today? What a wide net you throw...."2 of these 3 are scum....I got one lynched...now there is just two...they must be the scum".....in this post you state the CK wasnt very scummy in his posts..well he didnt post anything after that...and Sens is lurking...so the only reason you are suggesting Sens is scum is because Dizzy was town (that you fucking lynched, I might add)...BULLSHIT....no sir, you are the lynch today.

the only thing stopping me from revoting is a lack of anything for Capt. lurker and his last comment about "purposely not posting yesterday"...he either needs to post or be replaced.

do you usually misrepresent facts in other games?

I don't think I'm misrepresenting them in this one.

would you like examples?

[curiouskarmadog]

Xyl, I have been bringing up things that have been bothering me the entire game, so dont act like I havent...dont like I havent asked you questions to explain yourself and dont act like you dont go to the ends of the earth to avoid thosse question....looking back, you dont see when I started cussing? I was getting pissed and fustrated with your avoidance and the way you try to scoot around points without addressing them...scummy....Scot saw it, he called you on it.....now he is dead, so dont act like I havent..I will repost ALL the SPECIFIC points I have an issue with, if I thought you would address them...fuck, I have even had to start bolding my questions, but you still "overlook" them until I call you out over and over again.

Again you are trying to avoid or find a reason not to address my issues with you, by mispresenting my attacks as mostly assertions or swearing...when they indeed are not....

Xyl, also, (speaking of rhetorical)...anyone who has played this game more than 2-3 times has been mislynched...what a useless question used to distract...what was the point of that question and how does it have anything to do with my attack on you? Again, you misrepresent what I said. I didnt just come out and say " i am not scummy"...you asked me...

Anyways, you seem quite confident that your play isn't scummy. Did you actually analyze your own play, deliberately avoid scummy things, that sort of thing? Or are you just assuming that nothing you do could possibly be scummy?

I havent analyzed my own play in this game...what is the point? i dont feel that my play has been scummy, because I am town. Everything I do is to try to catch scum....What is the point of this line of questioning?

but this brings up an interesting point.....all you really have said this game is ..CKD is obviously scum or some variant (speaking of assertions, hypocrite)...but you have not put forward a clear case what so ever....I request you do so...I also request for you to explain if you think I am scum, why you havent done so thus far...if you feel you have..post number please....

I am not bolding the questions (again)...but please answer them (I should have to put this in every post to you)

I will post my swear free case against Xyl later this week..it will take some time (which will include his numerous misrepresentations, ML)..I will keep reading the thread, but have a feeling this is going to be a big post.

[curiouskarmadog]

One of the great advantages of POE as a scumhunting technique, by the way, is that it automatically catches people who haven't done anything scummy because they haven't done anything at all...

interesting..RR didnt do anything, until you replaced him...CK/Sens have done less....if you really want to get to the bones of the matter..Scot was the only person who actually has done something...perhaps you need to define "done" for me...

[curiouskarmadog]

no time, just saw this and wanted to comment

(Just as a curiosity, I've never been mislynched in a forum game. Scum keep trying though. I'm expecting the record to fall any game now. It almost fell in Lynch All Lurkers when elvis_knits noticed I had been on every single townie bandwagon.)

what? how many games have you played...that is really hard to swallow...I immediately want to meta this to see if this is a true statement..but for the life of me, I see no scum motivation or reason to lie about that. so it would be a waste of time either way. at any point, if it is true...then I can understand from your POV the mislynch question.

sort of an oog comment...everyone else has been mislynched once in their mafia career right? if it is just me, then maybe I AM too emotional when I play...I am constantly mislynched for being "emotional or (and this one is my favorite because I have caught so much scum using this.) "overly defensive"...guess my title is appropriate.

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not going to be able to post with any length until Friday

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Sens is not in my top two list because.....you and CDB are....as you two were yesterday.

lol, yeah I bet you are

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fine...

vote SensFan

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But is it actually the final vote count?

I guess so since the roles are on the first page.

In game thoughts mod?

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Sens, feel free to replace into any game that I am scum in. Do not blame Xyl, you were spouting nonsense and lurking at the end. If alignments had been reversed I would have done the EXACT same thing Xyl did today.

Well, Day 3 didnt really do the way I wanted...I felt dahill had slipped in reference to the traitor and I found my self defending me. to counter that, I attacked him with a bad "case". I was actually hoping to get lynched to (hopfully in the eyes of the town) auto-confirm dahill/CDB. My "case" was just that....silly. though when I do play town, I look for things like that, but that REALLY was a stretch...as it turns out though, I was right about dahill, he really didnt want any old cases of mine and it was a slip on his part, though a small one. I enjoyed bumping heads with Xyl..for a moment I thought you were getting the best of me, then Dizzy saved me....luckily I didnt have to jump on the wagon.

thanks for the game.

mod, was there anyway for us to recruit gorrad (ie talk to him at night?)...would killing him, indeed killed him?

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do=go

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jesus, I hate proofreading

"Well, Day 3 didnt really

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the way I wanted...I felt dahill had slipped in reference to the traitor and I found my self defending

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.. to counter that, I attacked him with a bad "case". I was actually hoping to get lynched to (hopfully in the eyes of the town) auto-confirm dahill/CDB. My "case" was just that....silly. though when I do play town, I look for things like that, but that REALLY was a stretch...as it turns out though, I was right about dahill, he really didnt want any old cases of mine and it was a slip on his part, though a small one. I enjoyed bumping heads with Xyl..for a moment I thought you were getting the best of me, then Dizzy saved me....luckily I didnt have to jump on the wagon."

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SensFan has been posting elsewhere (GD, Mish Mash, Coney Island...) but hasn't answered the question. It's a very simple question, he shouldn't have any reason to be stalling.

vote: SensFan

I'm so sorry that I should go 24 hours without posting in this thread.

Your not posting anything the previous day was so suspicious that I was pretty sure you were scum. (dahill had me totally fooled.) I was asking you questions to try to give you a chance to convince me I was wrong.

And I was answering the questions. I just won't devote my entire time at MS to a game in which ones of the players insults me on principle and 2 of the other 4 were hellbent on lynching me.

And ckd, sorry, but this is the last time I ever play in a game with you.

insults? No the truth, bud. as it stands, I STILL have not been in a game with you where you provide much of anything....I called it when you got here, and you lived up to my expectations. And THEN you want to blame others for your bad play...that IS bullshit.

man up, and take the blame.

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Sorry about the end of day 3 xyl. Still, I was certain one of you and ckd was scum. When you switched to izzy, I was convinced it was you. Even during this day I was convinced it was you and cdb. Oh well. At least I caught Gorrad.

Also, Sens, you have no one to blame but yourself. You don't come into a game and deliberately post nothing. You start contributing.

Good game to CDB and dahill. CKD played decent with what he was given with, but he was fairly scummy. Still, he won.

scot question, what point did you nail me as scum...was it the "case" against dahill?

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also thanks Shanba

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that was the design of the case....after being on two mislynches and doing nothing that could be called "protown"...I felt if I made up a ridiculous (though absolutely truthful as it turns out) case that it would mostly confirm dahill. I really thought I would be lynched that day and I was cool with that...was surprised it swung differently.

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right before the case, I defended a slip up of his about the traitor...I decided I didnt want that connection to him and up until then he was heat free. Also dahill felt he had you in his pocket (why you werent offed Night 2, I felt you had a rocking game and wanted you down), so we went with my second choice (shea).

so I banked on dahill's read on you and pushed a bad "case" to enforce your belief that dahill was town...my thought, when I was lynched and flipped mafia going back and reading the day...no one would think dahill could be scum...especially because at the time of the case, dizzy was leading with scum suspicion....