Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[Gorrad]

The game is ongoing. Can't link. Quick scan of my threads should find it, though.

Neighbor isn't just flavor. According to the wiki, neighbor refers to any mason pair which doesn't know allignments. The fact is, I've only seen the phrase neighbor actually used instead of mason when at least one of the two were not town.

[Raging Rabbit]

Will try to catch up during the weekend.

[Archon]

Geez, big swap from

Gorrad, who do you think we should kill? With TSQ gone, you're the person I trust the most right now. Even though you have been eerily low-key all day phase.

Neighbors means, in my experience, that at LEAST one member of the pair is scum. I've yet to see a neighbor pair that didn't have at least one scum member. Masons can have scum members too, but for neighbors it's pretty much garunteed. I'd believe a Mason claim, give it the benefit of the doubt in the face of scummy behavior, etc. But the fact that he claimed neighbor means that in my mind he's a scummy member of a duo that contains at least one scum.

That aside, no offense taken. 'Tis just a game.

!!!

Unvote, Vote; Crywolf

[crywolf20084]

Guys I hate to do this but I requested for a replacement. Life's quickly tumbled down the toilet this week with my best friend attempting suicide.

Sorry. Have fun.

[scotmany12]

The game is ongoing. Can't link. Quick scan of my threads should find it, though.

Neighbor isn't just flavor. According to the wiki, neighbor refers to any mason pair which doesn't know allignments. The fact is, I've only seen the phrase neighbor actually used instead of mason when at least one of the two were not town.

Then why the fuck are you not pushing for the other mason to claim? If you truly believe what you are saying, then you want the other mason to come out incase cay turns up town.

Sorry to hear about that cay.

[scotmany12]

The game is ongoing. Can't link. Quick scan of my threads should find it, though.

Neighbor isn't just flavor. According to the wiki, neighbor refers to any mason pair which doesn't know allignments. The fact is, I've only seen the phrase neighbor actually used instead of mason when at least one of the two were not town.

Also, how many times have you actually seen neighbor used?

[curiouskarmadog]

will catch up this weekend..

[kloud1516]

Catching up

[dahill1]

dahill, is your case on her focused on the fact that she suggested lynching her partner? Having seen Gorrad and MBF's discussion on the metaphysics of neighbors, does that change your mind at all? I'd also really like to know why RR is voting her (I know he's LA at the moment.)

that is a main point of my case, yes. i did see their comments and i'll respond with a little mod outguessing of my own. shanba is a very competent mod and he likes to break the meta. he also may have put neighbors in

solely for this situation in which we are attempting to outguess him

. just because neighbors have not typically been two towns paired together doesn't mean it can't happen
however, i am becoming a little wary of a crywolf lynch now because i don't like Gorrad's explanation for his vote and Archon's lack of one.
@cay: good luck with your friend!
also another reminder that

I'm going to be V/LA from later this evening until Monday

preview edit:

unvote

since I'll be back before the deadline and I don't want a lynch while I'm gone

[MacavityLock]

Seriously Archon, explain yo'self.

[MacavityLock]

@mod

, request votecount.

[Citizen Karne]

The game is ongoing. Can't link. Quick scan of my threads should find it, though.

Neighbor isn't just flavor. According to the wiki, neighbor refers to any mason pair which doesn't know allignments. The fact is, I've only seen the phrase neighbor actually used instead of mason when at least one of the two were not town.

Also, how many times have you actually seen neighbor used?

I would like to second this question. Gorrad, your word choice is as though you see the phrase often, yet the only time you can think of it is in an ongoing game? Shady at best. I'm all for letting the claimed mason live another day.

Also, archon, do you have any other motivation than blindly trusting Gorrad (yes I realize asking this question is slightly hypocritical)? Seeing as the definition in the wiki lists the pair as being uncertain of alignment as opposed to Gorrad's claim that neighbors always have an anti-town role in the pair, I personally would not trust Gorrad's claim without a grain of salt, especially when paired with his past behavior.

[Gorrad]

A search of the site for the word 'neighbor' reveals the following games with and without an anti-town in a neighbor group:

With:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... r&&start=0

Without:

Exceptions:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... r&&start=0
-This game had a town neighbor who could pick one person a night to talk to.

No games on the site with neighbor groups, to my knowledge, have been omitted. Keep in mind that for those games that did not have their roles all on the front page, they can be found in the endgame section. Ongoing games have been omitted.

And this is why I didn't link any.

[MacavityLock]

Gorrad, that's fine if you really believe that, but still doesn't explain why you didn't immediately request a partner claim along with your vote.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

5: crywolf20084

(Raging Rabbit, Archon, Gorrad, MBF)

1: Archon

(TSQ)

1: Gorrad

(scotmany12)

1: Citizen Karne

(curiouskarmadog)

1: kloud1516

(crywolf)

1: mikeburnfire

(MacavityLock)
Not Voting:

Citizen Karne, kloud, dahill1,

Alright. MBF, it's fine by me if you want to proxy your vote to Gorrad. Apologies for laxness on vote counts. Feel free to prod me if you want more!

Searching for a replacement for crywolf, who requested replacement.

[scotmany12]

A search of the site for the word 'neighbor' reveals the following games with and without an anti-town in a neighbor group:

With:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... r&&start=0

Without:

Exceptions:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... r&&start=0
-This game had a town neighbor who could pick one person a night to talk to.

No games on the site with neighbor groups, to my knowledge, have been omitted. Keep in mind that for those games that did not have their roles all on the front page, they can be found in the endgame section. Ongoing games have been omitted.

And this is why I didn't link any.

So, you are basing all of this off of one game? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? There is no trend to go on by looking at one game. You are making an assumption that makes no sense.

[Gorrad]

Mod: Is that vote count correct in the number of votes on CW?

More than one. Again, ongoings. The conclusions I draw are my opinions. I'm not asking you to share them. I don't find it ridiculous. You do? Great. Feel free to not agree with me. I shared my data and my reasoning, and people are allowed to draw different conclusions.

[Gorrad]

Oh, and @ML: Because the partner won't claim if they're scum...

OH! CW to claim their partner. Wow, didn't think of that.

CW: Partner claim, please

.

[scotmany12]

Mod: Is that vote count correct in the number of votes on CW?

More than one. Again, ongoings. The conclusions I draw are my opinions. I'm not asking you to share them. I don't find it ridiculous. You do? Great. Feel free to not agree with me. I shared my data and my reasoning, and people are allowed to draw different conclusions.

Your reasonings are shit and you know it. Stop ignoring what people have been asking you. If you believe this so much, why are you not trying to force the other mason to claim?

[Gorrad]

...See 392.

[Shanba]

Mod: Is that vote count correct in the number of votes on CW?

No. Sorry.

Also, dizzyizzyb13 replaces crywolf20084.

Good luck with your personal issues, cayke!

[scotmany12]

Oh, and @ML: Because the partner won't claim if they're scum...

OH! CW to claim their partner. Wow, didn't think of that.

CW: Partner claim, please

.

This doesn't explain why you were willing to lynch Cay without forcing either her or her partner to claim.

[Gorrad]

Oh, and @ML: Because the partner won't claim if they're scum...

OH! CW to claim their partner. Wow, didn't think of that.

CW: Partner claim, please

.

This doesn't explain why you were willing to lynch Cay without forcing either her or her partner to claim.

If Cry's town, then the scum won't claim. If Cry's scum, the other's either scum, and won't claim, or town, and should claim without pressure. I didn't think to ask Cry to claim her partner. When my active game is done, I'll give an explanation of why.

[Archon]

Seriously Archon, explain yo'self.

Waits for mod approval via PM...

Guys I hate to do this but I requested for a replacement. Life's quickly tumbled down the toilet this week with my best friend attempting suicide.

Sorry. Have fun.

Whoa... thats seriously sad. Good luck!

[scotmany12]

Oh, and @ML: Because the partner won't claim if they're scum...

OH! CW to claim their partner. Wow, didn't think of that.

CW: Partner claim, please

.

This doesn't explain why you were willing to lynch Cay without forcing either her or her partner to claim.

If Cry's town, then the scum won't claim. If Cry's scum, the other's either scum, and won't claim, or town, and should claim without pressure. I didn't think to ask Cry to claim her partner. When my active game is done, I'll give an explanation of why.

So, by your logic, we should be going after cay's mason partner instead of her as he hasn't claimed without pressure.