Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[scotmany12]

1) Xyl/RR and CKD. CKD you can go read what I said about him. It mostly has to do about how awful and contrived his case on dahill was. You for obvious reasons. RR hasn't done anything all game, except try to get me lynched for god knows why. And I don't think he was inactive at all during the past few days.

2) Gorrad being a traitor surprised me. I was certain he was scum, but the traitor role just surprised me.

3) Read the whole fucking game. I'm not going to let you come in here and play your whole unhelpful meta bullshit. If you do that, you would know what the "no voting" meta is.

[Xylthixlm]

3) Read the whole fucking game. I'm not going to let you come in here and play your whole unhelpful meta bullshit. If you do that, you would know what the "no voting" meta is.

My "unhelpful meta bullshit" worked pretty well in Medieval Mafia. Don't get so pissy.

Anyways, humor me and explain the "no voting" meta.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Xyl: These two quotes come from CK posts early in the game, describing his approach to voting.

FoS: Gorrad

Consider that my 'random vote'.

Is there a reason why you FoS instead of vote for someone?

I don't usually vote unless to hammer someone. I've random voted in the past, but all-in-all, I feel uncomfortable voting for someone before a hammer unless for a VERY good reason.

Do random votes really count towards anything anyway? How is a random FoS any different? I suppose it prevents speedlynching a little. I really can't see any difference. If you want to make a big deal about me not voting, well that's silly. This is how I play. Deal with it. If you want to call me scum because of it, go ahead. I'd love to see your argument on how it makes me scum in this game as opposed to other games where I have been town. I do not think it is at all anti-town, either. It certainly does not inhibit my ability to discuss intelligently.

My FoSes are, for all intents and purposes, votes.

After bringiong everyone's attention to his own meta, on Day Two, he made a post which included this:

Vote: mikeburnfire

even though I'm not hammering. That's how sure I am.

So, the argument is that the vote for MBF, who flipped town, was a scum tell because in making the vote, he violated the principles he said he operated by earlier in the game.

[Xylthixlm]

Well that's a stupid meta

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Indeed. Since analysis of the hammer vote is generally the first thing town does the next day, having a player who will always hammer without question is a boon for scum who want to avoid suspicion.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't see anything in there about hammering without question

[MacavityLock]

After bringiong everyone's attention to his own meta, on Day Two, he made a post which included this:

Vote: mikeburnfire

even though I'm not hammering. That's how sure I am.

So, the argument is that the vote for MBF, who flipped town, was a scum tell because in making the vote, he violated the principles he said he operated by earlier in the game.

This is not the entirety of my argument, but it's close.

I don't see anything in there about hammering without question

While he didn't say he would hammer without question, he seemed very excited about being able to hammer.

Any reason you need to hammer? It doesn't do anything except save us maybe a few hours, right? I'd prefer to just leave the thread open and let the deadline do its work.

I like hammering.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I don't see anything in there about hammering without question

That was perhaps slight hyperbole. Nevertheless, he's enthusiastic about hammering, and gives the impression he would do it more easily than pretty much anyone.

[Xylthixlm]

I like hammering too. The trouble is I like bandwagonning even more, so I don't usually get to hammer.

I

almost

managed to hammer all three of the mafia in Invitational 10, but elvis miscounted and hammered the last one before me.

[MacavityLock]

Note also CK's sig:

Games are slowing. No one wants to hammer for fear of a mislynch. MS needs a savior. They look for Rosso to save them, but alas! he is nowhere to be found. So one man will step up and take his mantle. Fear not MS, the hammer cometh!

Again, I don't think that's scummy in and of itself. But the way he's talked about that bit of his meta, and the way he actually FoSed and voted to me adds up to scummy.

[Xylthixlm]

Still waiting on answers to my question list from:

curiouskarmadog
DizzyIzzyb13
Citizen Karne

That should give me some clues on where to start reading

[curiouskarmadog]

will update before Friday...

the quick of it....dahill and CK atm.

also

"

Your questions are scummy,

just reread the whole game"

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: Xylthixlm

(dahill, izzy)

1: dahill1

(ckd)

1: curiouskarmadog

(scot)
Not Voting:

citizen karne, macavitylock, xylthixlm

Citizen Karne has not picked up his prod. I'm looking for a replacement.

3 days to deadline

[scotmany12]

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

[Xylthixlm]

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

[scotmany12]

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

I have no problem with you asking questions. That shouldn't stop you from rereading at the same time. Incase you are wondering, it is almost deadline. Right now, you are wasting time. No point why you couldn't have reread the whole game by now.

[Xylthixlm]

will update before Friday...

the quick of it....dahill and CK atm.

also

"

Your questions are scummy,

just reread the whole game"

This is maximally unhelpful.

[dahill1]

i see no harm in answering the questions but xyl really should reread

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok got 20 minutes to post something.
Top two scum.

First dahill, reason 1.) (rehashed) I really think you need to read how and when things happened…but the skinny of it was this. In a discussion about a traitor (ironically helping dahill) I post a game that I was in where I was scum. Later Dahill posts..

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

This rubbed me wrong. To me it seemed like he was just trying to look like he was scum hunting. I had already posted one game. That fact he was asking me to post “some” games, seemed like he had not read the first game I had linked. Which made me wonder if he was really trying to get a read on me..why did he not read that game. He states that he did indeed read the game, but wanted more. Which is fine. If he has asked me for “more” games it would not have hit my radar. The fact he asked for “some” seemed like he really wasn’t reading. Yes is semantics…but the fucking devil in is the details.

2.) Out of the gate today he was through more suspicion on Dizzy who I feel is town…you really need to read the game to see what is going on here.

3.) he was still pushing a case on RR (who has not been posting) and is in fact gone and not just lurking.

The other CK.

CK hit my radar early game (read the game to find out why)….now appears to be lurking until a wagon hits…..the under the radar bit until heat gets going is suspicious

…..

Here is a question for you XYL

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

Where did you indicate that you were going to read the game before deadline if at all before this post? Are you planning on reading the game before deadline...if so when?..if not why?

You

do

need to read the fucking game. this statement is also scummy....scot did not imply he had a problem with you asking questions as you are implying..he has a problem with you not reading the game. Where did he state that he had a problem with you asking questions.

[dahill1]

@Ckd - I've already stated why I think Point 1 isn't scummy so I won't go over that again.
As for 2) I gave my thoughts on Izzy already and I actually think I've become less suspicious of her due to these recent events. For 3) that's almost everybody in the game at this point besides you and Xyl (RR), and what RR did before he stopped posting

was

scummy so I don't see how this is a point against me really.

[Xylthixlm]

Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified), nothing I can do there. Right now I'm trying to get a handle on the game and form some opinions on who's scum, and

I can do that better by asking questions first and reading later

.

[dahill1]

Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified)

That's definitely not the only reason I thought he was scummy

[Xylthixlm]

Anything specific RR did?

[scotmany12]

Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified), nothing I can do there. Right now I'm trying to get a handle on the game and form some opinions on who's scum, and

I can do that better by asking questions first and reading later

.

No, you do both at the same time. It's not that hard. You have been posting elsewhere around the site. It's not like you don't have enough time to reread.

[Xylthixlm]

If you're waiting for me to reread so you can ask me questions, how about you just ask the questions now?