Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[Xylthixlm]

I am looking forward to SensFan reading the game and voting curiouskarmadog.

[SensFan]

Read through 5 pages.

TSQ is obvtown.
Hate better have been lynched Day 1.
cayke's random vote was bad, but probably not scummy
People are lurking too much
Citizen Karne seems to be the type of person I see as scummy based on principle

[curiouskarmadog]

I have played with Sens before...even if he does post...dont expect much.

You realize I have half a mind to requesti replacement right now, right?

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why, am I wrong? you usually just post in a sentence or two....at least in every game i have ever been in with you. I am not saying you dont have stuff to say...I am just saying to not expect any long or numerous posts from you.

You're as wrong as can possibly be.

I consider myself at least average in post length, frequency, and quality.

I could list games, but it has been awhile go...maybe you have evolved.

I look forward to you proving me wrong.

[curiouskarmadog]

Here we are.

Everyone thinks I should read the game, I get that. I also get that people think RR was scummy (for lurking... sounds justified), nothing I can do there. Right now I'm trying to get a handle on the game and form some opinions on who's scum, and

I can do that better by asking questions first and reading later

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not answering my questions.

where did scot imply that he had a problem with your questions?

I didn't say he had a problem with my questions.

Did you indicate anywhere before that post that you intended to read the thread?

No. Happy?

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

You implied here you thought Scot had a problem with you questions. he was pressuring you to read the game (which up until this point you implied you werent)..when he did that, you flipped it around on him and tried to make him look scummy...I want to know WHAT scot said that gave you the impression he had a problem with you getting information before you read...

I dont think he did...I think you were trying to make his pressuring look scummy which in turn is scummy. You never indicated that you were going to read the game at this point...you sort of slipped that in there to help make scot more scummy looking. All he wanted you to do was read the game....but you tried to quiet him with this bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, I have a question for you. Why are you acting as if you're pissed that I didn't answer questions which you obviously already know the answer to? When I ask a question like that, I consider it a "rhetorical question" and don't expect an answer.

my question were not rhetorical. again with you flipping shit around.

that should have been fucking obvious because I KEPT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER....

[curiouskarmadog]

Oh, missed one more.

Why do you have a problem with me asking you questions?

Because your questions are questions you already know the answer to, and you're only asking them because you want me to say the answer. I see no reason to play that game.

If you have any questions where you are genuinely curious about the answer, ask away.

I am not asking questions I know the answer to....I wanted to know WHERE scot gave you such and such impression...the truth is he didnt...YOU FUCKING KNEW HE DIDNT AND YOU TRIED TO AVOID MY QUESTION....I caught you in a obvious scum act...and you are trying to AGAIN, make legitimate scum hunting look scum.

VOTE Xylthixlm

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you have a problem with me getting some information

before I read?

You were getting on my case about not reading, when I had clearly stated that I wanted to get some information before I did my read. I'm not sure the question could be any clearer.

LIE

where did you state (before your scummy implication toward scot) that you wanted information

before you read?

answer:

Did you indicate anywhere before that post that you intended to read the thread?

No. Happy?

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry for multiple posts...but did want the individual points to be lost.....more later today when I get home from work.

[Xylthixlm]

Still waiting on answers to my question list from:

curiouskarmadog
DizzyIzzyb13
Citizen Karne

That should give me some clues on where to start reading

Nice try, CKD.

[Xylthixlm]

It looks like CKD wants me to be scummy really badly, and is stretching as far as he can to try to make a case. He can't do anything about the fact that I caught him with my trap, so he's trying to discredit me by attacking me with anything he can find.

Does anyone else see that?

[ChannelDelibird]

Before I comment on your argument with CKD, Xyl, could you clarify what you mean by your 'trap'?

[Xylthixlm]

I asked some questions of everyone when I replaced in. One of them was designed to scare scum into not answering it (it was something like "Which flip surprised you most and why?"). ckd answered one of the other questions, but skipped that one.

[ChannelDelibird]

I asked some questions of everyone when I replaced in. One of them was designed to scare scum into not answering it (it was something like "Which flip surprised you most and why?"). ckd answered one of the other questions, but skipped that one.

Apologies if you've answered this already (and if you have feel free to link me to the post in which you did), but for what reason did you think scum would be scared to answer such a question?

[Xylthixlm]

I did answer, but I'll just answer it again.

Obviously scum won't have actually been surprised at any of the flips, so they'll have to lie about the answer. Lying raises the possibility that someone will find an inconsistency and call them out on it. Worse, it's not a very common question, so scum won't have a "correct" answer prepared; answering looks very risky! Much easier to find some excuse to dodge the question and avoid the risk.

[scotmany12]

Xyl, scum don't know everyone's role. They can just as easily be surprised by a flip as town is. Do you think they wouldn't be surprised by the Gorrad flip if they were unaware that he was a traitor? I actually think you just slipped right there by saying scum won't be surprised by the flops. Only way someone would know that if they were scum and were not surprised.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm not saying it's a 100% foolprooof test or anything. It was just a way of finding some likely candidates. But ckd's play has been moderately scummy all game, and his furious attempts to discredit me look like I hit a nerve with the trap.

[Xylthixlm]

scotmany, I was speaking in general there. In case you've forgotten

I'm a replacement

. I wasn't here for any of the flips, so I can't exactly have been surprised by them.

[Xylthixlm]

Anyways, what are scum going to do, say "I was surprised by Gorrad's flip but not any of the others"? They obviously still have to lie.

[scotmany12]

So you admit that your trap is nothing but a large stretch then?

[curiouskarmadog]

Still waiting on answers to my question list from:

curiouskarmadog
DizzyIzzyb13
Citizen Karne

That should give me some clues on where to start reading

Again you warp shit. You say that “where to start reading”..AGAIN, you were refusing to read the whole game, which was the issue.

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. <b>Reread the whole fucking game.</b>

When scot says that you hit him with…

Well that's a stupid meta

You no what else is a stupid meta? Not rereading the game when you replace in. Reread the whole fucking game.

Do you have a problem with me getting some information before I read? Most people would just post "I haven't had time yet, will post later" repeatedly. At least I start contributing from the second I replace.

Your contribution in this game? Throwing bullshit suspicion on scot, by saying he has a problem with you getting some information before reading.
Does this post sound like you were going to read the whole game are just parts?

Okay, confession time.
The real reason I don't reread games when I replace isn't to annoy scotmany. Shocking, I know. The real reason is my eyes start glazing over about five pages in, and I stop paying attention and fall asleep. I need to be looking for specific things when I read or I won't get anything out of it.

Another interesting point..

I asked some questions of everyone when I replaced in. One of them was designed to scare scum into not answering it (it was something like "Which flip surprised you most and why?"). ckd answered one of the other questions, but skipped that one.

Did everyone answer that question? If not, why are you not stating that your “trap” caught them too? This is just another example how he is utter crap to support a case. He is trying anything to support himself. Why didn’t you bring this up when you mentioned I didn’t answer it before? I think it is because you are getting desperate.

I did answer, but I'll just answer it again.
Obviously scum won't have actually been surprised at any of the flips, so they'll have to lie about the answer. Lying raises the possibility that someone will find an inconsistency and call them out on it. Worse, it's not a very common question, so scum won't have a "correct" answer prepared; answering looks very risky! Much easier to find some excuse to dodge the question and avoid the risk.

Oh my god….I don’t think I have read anything more ridiculous. “Scum wont have actually been surprised ay any flops?” Really? How do you know what scum is surprised with or not?

Confirm vote

…..nice.

[Xylthixlm]

It's not conclusive, no, but this game involves making conclusions from ambiguous and contradictory data. Almost any scumtell can be passed off as "nothing but a large stretch". Scum don't come out and sing "I AM SCUM~! LYNCH ME~!" very often. And when they do they often turn out to be DGB as a townie.

I am more than happy with my conclusion that ckd is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

ckd, why didn't you answer the question? Pardon me if I've asked this already.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not saying it's a 100% foolprooof test or anything. It was just a way of finding some likely candidates. But ckd's play has been moderately scummy all game, and his furious attempts to discredit me look like I hit a nerve with the trap.

LOL, now it isnt 100% fool proof....nice back pedal

scotmany, I was speaking in general there. In case you've forgotten

I'm a replacement

. I wasn't here for any of the flips, so I can't exactly have been surprised by them.

I guess you cant be seeing that you didnt read the whole game and know the context of them....more back pedal

Anyways, what are scum going to do, say "I was surprised by Gorrad's flip but not any of the others"? They obviously still have to lie.

2) Gorrad being a traitor surprised me. I was certain he was scum, but the traitor role just surprised me.

Interesting…so did scot fall into your trap?
How do you know who is lying and who is not? Your question 2 was about roles not alignments. Don’t act like it was anything but. No roles surprise me in this game anymore.

[curiouskarmadog]

ckd, why didn't you answer the question? Pardon me if I've asked this already.

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Okay, confession time #2.

On that basis, curiouskarmadog (who answered question #1 but skipped #2 and #3) and DizzyIzzy (who is refusing to answer my questions at all) look pretty bad. I'll concentrate my read on them.

wait, you are talking about questions you have posed? I thought I addressed the questions you asked...looking back.

1) Who do you think is scum? Name at least two people. Briefly, why?
2) Did any of the role reveals surprise you? Whose? Briefly, why?
3) Any events that you think are extra-important for me to read?

Ok got 20 minutes to post something.
Top two scum.

First dahill, reason 1.) (rehashed) I really think you need to read how and when things happened…but the skinny of it was this. In a discussion about a traitor (ironically helping dahill) I post a game that I was in where I was scum. Later Dahill posts..

@CK and ckd: I'd like to see some games of you, if any, as scum

This rubbed me wrong. To me it seemed like he was just trying to look like he was scum hunting. I had already posted one game. That fact he was asking me to post “some” games, seemed like he had not read the first game I had linked. Which made me wonder if he was really trying to get a read on me..why did he not read that game. He states that he did indeed read the game, but wanted more. Which is fine. If he has asked me for “more” games it would not have hit my radar. The fact he asked for “some” seemed like he really wasn’t reading. Yes is semantics…but the fucking devil in is the details.

2.) Out of the gate today he was through more suspicion on Dizzy who I feel is town…you really need to read the game to see what is going on here.

3.) he was still pushing a case on RR (who has not been posting) and is in fact gone and not just lurking.

The other CK.

CK hit my radar early game (read the game to find out why)….now appears to be lurking until a wagon hits…..the under the radar bit until heat gets going is suspicious

That answers question 1….2 I thought was a silly question…nothing surprises me in this (or any) game. As for question 3, I mention at least once in this post that you should go back and read this interchange between dahill and I and form your own opinion…did you miss it?

Right now, I am not digging RR replacement at all…his entrance to this game has been super scummy…refusing to answer questions, refusing to read the game until he was forced to, implying that scot said something he blatantly didn’t, and implying that I am not addressing questions…when I did (with the exception of question 2…which doesn’t seem relevant.)

[Xylthixlm]

Did everyone answer that question? If not, why are you not stating that your “trap” caught them too? This is just another example how he is utter crap to support a case. He is trying anything to support himself. Why didn’t you bring this up when you mentioned I didn’t answer it before? I think it is because you are getting desperate.

Hey look. My previous post saying the same thing, and calling out everyone who had refused to answer.

It should be blatantly obvious to everyone by now who the desperate one here is.