Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[dahill1]

i was on a looong bike ride today so i'll make a post later tonight after reading more

[dahill1]

ok this has gotten so fucking blown out of scale and confusing that i'm having to reread my own posts

for CKD, to answer your immediate question yes I did read through the original game you linked. in all honesty, i only did a brief skim when you first linked to it but revisited it and read through again when i was reading through the other games as well. this second reread was all around the time of Post 835. I'm going to give a brief runthrough of what has happened (from my view obviously) as to help others and myself see this a little more clearly. Ckd please tell me if you think this is biased or not and if so the points you disagree with

- Ckd posts a link to a game in which he is scum and there is a traitor.
- Dahill asks Ckd and CK for "some games of [them] as scum".
- Ckd says Dahill is asking for games simply so it looks like he is scumhunting but not actually doing anything. Ckd wonders why Dahill would ask for scum games after Ckd posted one already.
- Dahill says that he wanted some games because one game is not enough in finding a meta.
- Ckd votes Dahill for asking for "some games" not "more games" and for pseudo-scumhunting

Now some questions for ckd: What made you more sure of placing your vote on me then you were earlier when you had accused me? If I said, "Ckd and CK please post more games of yourselves at scum", would that make sense in context? Also, if I had posted that would you still find me suspicious?

To reiterate, I said I wanted "some games" of them as scum because well...I WANTED TO SEE GAMES OF THEM AS SCUM! I realize that Ckd already posted one but that is not enough as I said before. Another quick question that I just thought of for Ckd: I recall that Adel asks for previous games of his fellow players (both as town and scum) in most (if not all) of his games. Is this scummy? I still am having trouble seeing what ckd sees here and I'm starting to think that he's just continuing to push this BS case because he doesn't want to be wrong.

Large FoS: Ckd

, although I do still think that Raging Rabbit is a better lynch for today. We really need a post or replacement from him soon.

[Raging Rabbit]

I got some time to live again, will update this in the next few days.

[MacavityLock]

This is really aggravating. We (or at least I) need CK and RR to post like now.

I have a hard time thinking that either dahill or ckd are substantially more or less scummy due to this debate. I think ckd is wrong about the whole thing, but I could see it as a misinterpretation + attempt to scumhunt.

[Citizen Karne]

Sorry my computer crashed. Catching up.

[dahill1]

i'm still here as well
same comments regarding CK and RR as before

[Citizen Karne]

I have never been scum on this site outside of a marathon day Dethy.

[Citizen Karne]

Also:

CKD might just have made the worst case against someone I've ever seen in Mafia.

Agreed.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: Raging Rabbit

(dahill, izzy)

1: dahill1

(ckd)

1: curiouskarmadog

(scot)
Not Voting:

citizen karne, macavitylock

At deadline, as it stands, no one would be lynched.

I dunno who, strictly speaking, needs prodding, but you're all around so it shouldn't really be necessary. If you want me to prod a particular player I'll do that.

Also, deadline is as stated June 5. You've got one week, hop to it.

[dahill1]

CK who do you think is scum at the moment?

[curiouskarmadog]

around but busy..will try to hit this up this weekend....little has been said in my lapse however.

[MacavityLock]

Well, it put him at L-1 or L-2 I believe, which is, judging by the title of my thread, still within my meta, technically.

Also I was extremely sure he was scum. I was wrong, but extremely sure. The fact I usually wait for the hammer but voted early is something I do in order to draw attention to the case. If I'm voting you before the hammer, I'm extremely sure you are a scum and it is a sign that something is up.

Given the directive you'd provided about how to treat your FoSes, would your FoS on MBF have accomplished the same thing? Why, or why not?

CK has still not answered this question.

RR needs to freaking post.

[scotmany12]

Posting. Nothing to say. Still think CKD is scum. I agree that RR needs to post.

[Shanba]

Another

round of prods going out. Hrmf. I'm just going to prod all of you.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I think you need to replace Raging Rabbit. We're not posting because we need to hear from him, and he said he'd post in the next few days on Tuesday. He;'s had plenty of time. Repalce him, so we can get on with the game.

[scotmany12]

What Izzy said.

[Shanba]

Fine.

1) I reserve the right to edit the rules at any time and apply them retroactively, in response to situations I may not have envisaged.

9) Please let me know in advance if you are going to be away. If you are inactive without warning for 48 hours, I will send a prod. If that prod is not picked up in a further 48 hours, I will search for a replacement. If you manage to contact me before I find a replacement, you can continue with your place in the game, but after I've found one it's too late.

I am editing rule 9 with respect to RR. He has until I wake up tomorrow morning. I can't afford to let the game hang for him.

[dahill1]

I think you need to replace Raging Rabbit. We're not posting because we need to hear from him, and he said he'd post in the next few days on Tuesday. He;'s had plenty of time. Repalce him, so we can get on with the game.

This. I'm fairly sure we're all here but just waiting on him

[curiouskarmadog]

Well I got a prod?

I guess I can see how dahill could have said "some" for CK and include my name. Again, it seems(ed) that it was an attempt to look like scum hunting...I didnt think he read the game I posted...which bothered me when he asked for "some". The reason I voted (answering dahill?) was because the more i talked about it..the more passionate I got about it and realized that I felt strongly about the "catch".

though I am not completely believing that you read it when you said you did, I am not as certian as I once was..and can see how I might be wrong...only time will tell I guess..

unvote.

I would place my vote on RR, but I dont think he is lurking to avoid heat (now). other than that..he has really done little in this game to judge him on. He needs to be replaced...

CK did you ever answer this..if so..please provide the post number...might be overlooking it.

CK, I would like you hear your thoughts on dahill, ML, and RR. Have your opinions of any of these players changed throughout the game? Why? If you HAD to pick a scum group right now…who would they be? Do you think we are in lylo?

[Xylthixlm]

Hi. I am apparently replacing RR. I don't have time to reread the whole game, I'll try to get to the last 5 pages, if anyone could summarize anything important that would be cool.

[Shanba]

Xylthixlm replaces RR effective immediately.

[Xylthixlm]

It looks like this game has been going in circles.

I'm really more used to the traitor that gets recruited if the scum try to kill him. I modded one game that used that variant (Relative Chaos) and played in another (Mafia 88). I've never see the other sort of traitor in a game.

I have a few

questions for everyone

to help me get up to speed fast. Answers would be appreciated. "Your questions are scummy, just reread the whole game" will be ignored.

1) Who do you think is scum? Name at least two people. Briefly, why?
2) Did any of the role reveals surprise you? Whose? Briefly, why?
3) Any events that you think are extra-important for me to read?

[dahill1]

It looks like this game has been going in circles.

I'm really more used to the traitor that gets recruited if the scum try to kill him. I modded one game that used that variant (Relative Chaos) and played in another (Mafia 88). I've never see the other sort of traitor in a game.

I have a few

questions for everyone

to help me get up to speed fast. Answers would be appreciated. "Your questions are scummy, just reread the whole game" will be ignored.

1) Who do you think is scum? Name at least two people. Briefly, why?
2) Did any of the role reveals surprise you? Whose? Briefly, why?
3) Any events that you think are extra-important for me to read?

thanks for replacing xyl
1) Right now I'd the two people that have stuck out the most to me as scum would be you (Raging Rabbit) and curiouskarmadog. You/RR because he was very wishy-washy in his "scumhunting" and pretty much wagonned onto the main suspects at the time. also he lurked through the entire game while (to my knowledge) was posting in other games. Second would be CKD for his completely bullshit case on me. although i may be somewhat biased, i think that others can agree that it was a long stretch. also, most recently (see his latest post) he unvoted and started to "see where i was coming from" once the pressure got on him and people disagreed with the case. bah that wasn't that brief, sorry.

2) The role reveal that surprised me the most was definitely mikeburnfire as I was sure he was scum. Mainly, he was pretty much back-and-forth buddying with Gorrad the entire game and once Gorrad was revealed to be a traitor that had done it for me, among other scummy things (read previous posts for reference).

3) Scotmany being pretty much confirmed as town (pg. 30 or so), Gorrad flipping traitor (same page), Back-and-forth between Crywolf and Archon once they were revealed to be masons together (Late middle of Day 1 or so)

[MacavityLock]

1) RR/Xyl and Citizen Karne are my top two scums right now. I mostly agree with dahill on his RR case, though I would add that Gorrad's interactions or lack thereof with RR seem about right for a Gorrad-traitor/RR-scum scenario. (Though I will admit that I've never been in a game with a traitor.) I also think that RR has been trying to confirm Izzy too much, by equating her claim of duck with kloud's flip of duck. Note that Izzy has claimed duck-mason, while kloud flipped duck-vanilla.

CK I haven't much liked all game. I think his cases are weak, I think the breaking of his "no voting" meta was an attempt to solidify the wagon on MBF, and he's been avoiding questions recently.

2) Both lynch reveals surprised me, though MBF definitely more than Archon. In retrospect, Archon was typical VI, but during day 1 his play was lazy, lurky, and I thought that his iso post 12

What do you mean a duck? is this actually a part of the game?

was a scum-slip.

As for MBF, I definitely thought I caught a scum-slip when he talked about all frogs being vanilla. (Given the flips thus far, this is not true.) I thought he focused too much on flavor when flavor seemed (and still seems) to have told us nothing about the setup. He went back and forth a number of times as to whether or not Izzy was more or less scummy due to her duck claim. And there were links to Gorrad.

3) I agree with dahill that those are the most relevant things to occur thus far.

[Xylthixlm]

What is a "no voting" meta?