Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[dahill1]

I refuse to confirm/condemn someone just based on flavor

[Gorrad]

Mod needs to update the page one list. Sorry, Izzy, I forgot you replaced.

Vote: DizzyIzzy

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1. How do you know flavor is internally consistant if you're protown?
2. You are NOT, I believe, confirmed duck. Neighbor, aye, but not duck.
3. You're a member of a neighbor pair, the dead member being town.
4. I have an innate suspicion of anyone who claims themselves to be confirmed on such shallow evidence.

These are not all points meant for you to address. They're simply points against you, in addition to points against CW D1, which make you totally vote-worthy.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Gorrad

'Nuff said.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Gorrad

'Nuff said.

Hold on, I'm getting a call on my invisible cell phone!

Uh huh. You say you're calling from where? A mile away? And you saw that coming! Wow!


Way to tunnelvision, Yos.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Gorrad

'Nuff said.

Hold on, I'm getting a call on my invisible cell phone!

Uh huh. You say you're calling from where? A mile away? And you saw that coming! Wow!


Way to tunnelvision, Yos.

...and at 1:20 AM, aparently Yos means Scot.

[Thestatusquo]

vote: Izzy

As much as she's awesome, her response sounds way too much like "the mod told me that ducks are town aligned as a way to safe claim therefore I claimed duck and now I am going to gloat it over you as much as possible to look townie."

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I didn't claim. I took over after Cayke claimed.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Gorrad

'Nuff said.

Hold on, I'm getting a call on my invisible cell phone!

Uh huh. You say you're calling from where? A mile away? And you saw that coming! Wow!


Way to tunnelvision, Yos.

Go on, keep saying I'm tunneling on you. It only makes you scummier. You haven't done one thing townish this whole game. You successfully succeeded in getting both masons to claim, and are trying to get the last one lynch due to flavor reasons, which does not hold water.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: Dizzyizzyb13

(Gorrad, TSQ)

2: Gorrad

(Izzy, scotmany)

1: mikeburnfire

(MacLock)
Not Voting:

Citizen Karne, dahill1, Raging Rabbit, ckd, mbf

[Thestatusquo]

I didn't claim. I took over after Cayke claimed.

How does this at all change my point?

[dahill1]

Mod needs to update the page one list. Sorry, Izzy, I forgot you replaced.

Vote: DizzyIzzy

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1. How do you know flavor is internally consistant if you're protown?
2. You are NOT, I believe, confirmed duck. Neighbor, aye, but not duck.
3. You're a member of a neighbor pair, the dead member being town.
4. I have an innate suspicion of anyone who claims themselves to be confirmed on such shallow evidence.

These are not all points meant for you to address. They're simply points against you, in addition to points against CW D1, which make you totally vote-worthy.

I can agree to all of these reasons except for, and especially, the third one. Archon flipping town means NOTHING in relation to Dizzy's role whatsoever. If we followed a meta every time we played mafia, then we would be nowhere (and the game wouldn't be fun anyways).

Anyways I'll probably decide where to put my vote tomorrow, just got back from vacation

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I didn't claim. I took over after Cayke claimed.

How does this at all change my point?

Your post implies a continuous thought process and ongoing plan that could not have occured because half way through, Cayke turned into me.

[Thestatusquo]

I am aware of that, however, my point is referring to how your ROLE played the game, and not how you or the person you replaced played the game.

Remember, you have access to the self-same information in the role PM as cayke had, and therefore it does not require a significant amount of effort or thought for you to see "Huh, cayke claimed this, and now its become reinforced, so I should seize that opportunity."

I don't see how my attack requires continuous thought process at all.

[Gorrad]

Mod needs to update the page one list. Sorry, Izzy, I forgot you replaced.

Vote: DizzyIzzy

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1. How do you know flavor is internally consistant if you're protown?
2. You are NOT, I believe, confirmed duck. Neighbor, aye, but not duck.
3. You're a member of a neighbor pair, the dead member being town.
4. I have an innate suspicion of anyone who claims themselves to be confirmed on such shallow evidence.

These are not all points meant for you to address. They're simply points against you, in addition to points against CW D1, which make you totally vote-worthy.

I can agree to all of these reasons except for, and especially, the third one. Archon flipping town means NOTHING in relation to Dizzy's role whatsoever. If we followed a meta every time we played mafia, then we would be nowhere (and the game wouldn't be fun anyways).

Anyways I'll probably decide where to put my vote tomorrow, just got back from vacation

3/4's not bad.

[mikeburnfire]

I'm back.

vote: Dizzy Izzy

More later, after I unwind from vacation.

[Citizen Karne]

The fact that they are both town is good enough for me.

Red flag! We do not know Izzy is town. Explain yourself.

You said a pro-town neighbor and a vanilla townie were too different to both be ducks. I said that since they are both town, that is feasible enough for me. I don't feel that flavor like this would necessarily be affected by role and that alignment is the only thing I'm taking into consideration. I never said I knew she was town, I just said that I believe the theoretical situation of a pro-town neighbor and a vanilla townie being the same animal is feasible.

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with ML, MBF is the lynch today...will repost my case when I get the time.

vote MBF

not sure I understand the case(s) against Gorrad...can someone (scot) please bullet point them for me....

[MacavityLock]

The fact that they are both town is good enough for me.

Red flag! We do not know Izzy is town. Explain yourself.

You said a pro-town neighbor and a vanilla townie were too different to both be ducks. I said that since they are both town, that is feasible enough for me. I don't feel that flavor like this would necessarily be affected by role and that alignment is the only thing I'm taking into consideration. I never said I knew she was town, I just said that I believe the theoretical situation of a pro-town neighbor and a vanilla townie being the same animal is feasible.

No, I just said that flipped vanilla duck and claimed neighbor duck creates at least some measure of inconsistency. Izzy's statement that "one assumes flavor would be consistent" does not fit well with her claim, and thus her argument doesn't hold up.

[Raging Rabbit]

I still think it's a point in Izzy's favor. The duck flavor clearly is consistant, even if they're not all vanillas, and Izzy could've only known this if she's either a duck or scum told about the duck flavor in advance. While the second is entirely possible, it's still pretty conditional and therefore makes her less likely scum imo.

[curiouskarmadog]

The duck flavor clearly is consistant,

QFT.

[Thestatusquo]

I still think it's a point in Izzy's favor. The duck flavor clearly is consistant, even if they're not all vanillas, and Izzy could've only known this if she's either a duck or scum told about the duck flavor in advance. While the second is entirely possible, it's still pretty conditional and therefore makes her less likely scum imo.

I disagree. Mafia is a game of motivations. To me, the way both Izzy and the person played that information is far more consistent with how I would expect to see a scum aligned player play the role than a town aligned player, and therefore I do not think it makes her less likely to be scum. Hence, the vote.

[Citizen Karne]

I still think it's a point in Izzy's favor. The duck flavor clearly is consistant, even if they're not all vanillas, and Izzy could've only known this if she's either a duck or scum told about the duck flavor in advance. While the second is entirely possible, it's still pretty conditional and therefore makes her less likely scum imo.

I disagree. Mafia is a game of motivations. To me, the way both Izzy and the person played that information is far more consistent with how I would expect to see a scum aligned player play the role than a town aligned player, and therefore I do not think it makes her less likely to be scum. Hence, the vote.

We will have to agree to disagree I suppose.

I see the case on MBF, but still like Gorrad's better. Will explain it in full tomorrow if I have more time tomorrow.

[Shanba]

Getting prods out and stuff - actually, never mind. No one needs prodding, as far as I can tell.

[dahill1]

i was thinking of voting for Gorrad at first this day, but Dizzy's proclamation of being confirmed town bothers me, so I want her to elaborate. Dizzy can you explain more on how you are "confirmed"?

[Raging Rabbit]

I still think it's a point in Izzy's favor. The duck flavor clearly is consistant, even if they're not all vanillas, and Izzy could've only known this if she's either a duck or scum told about the duck flavor in advance. While the second is entirely possible, it's still pretty conditional and therefore makes her less likely scum imo.

I disagree. Mafia is a game of motivations. To me, the way both Izzy and the person played that information is far more consistent with how I would expect to see a scum aligned player play the role than a town aligned player, and therefore I do not think it makes her less likely to be scum. Hence, the vote.

Even if we both prefer the "motivations"/psychological aspect of the game, that doesn't mean all the other aspects are null. Mafia is also a game of cut and dry analysis, and it's pretty obvious to me that since Izzy knew the townie flavor before we got any sort of confirmation on it, that makes her at least somewhat more likely to be a townie.