NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER
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In post 55, Cho wrote:Two things.
1) Boonskiies continuing to try and take me seriously with some really shallow not-scumhunting is funny.
2) goodmorning saying I've done nothing and completely overlooking my neighbor claim is also funny.
3) It may or may not be funnier considering she's part of that neighborhood yet doesn't react to it; this is fairly ambiguous.
4) Boonskiies also had a non-reaction reaction in our neighborhood to my claim, yet somehow isn't over it already. I still don't know how to interpret his dedicated commitment to subpar play.
5) For the record, there are 5 players in our neighborhood. There is guaranteed scum in it.
Huh I missed the neighbors claim thing. I find rvs tedious now unlike when I was new and don't really pay attention to it anymore.
So just curious why you would reveal it so early, it may of been a trump card against the scum as town outside the neighborhood would be oblivious to it?-
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Wow this convo is going pretty fast I can't keep up because everyone's bloody ninjaing me before I post.
I think that Csearo is town he genuinely believes what he says and I don't think his smart enough to pull that off as scum just from what I have seen from him this game.
first read of the game.
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In post 88, Csareo wrote:In post 60, T S O wrote:This is the first game I have ever seen from Csareo where his opening post was not astoundingly scummy. He must be Town!
Stop latching on to me, flea.
In post 61, goodmorning wrote:I was ignoring the Neighbourhood claim because it's not particularly beneficial to out it atm.
Yes, I'm in a Neighbourhood with 3 others and Cho. No, I don't think we can say there's absolutely Scum in the Neighbourhood, though it is likely.
Neighbour claim is indeed completely irrelevant to what's been posted thus far.
If it is irrelevant, then why did you post it? I am also curious as to who you're most suspicious of in your neighborhood.
Because it was before the game started, because neither is a particularly typical role, because claiming Reviver in particular would be a good way to get yourself killed, because they're not stupid.
You may also notice that Muffin didn't exactly claim Supersaint.
Why?
Well tiershif self confirmed his role in answering the self revive. He is absolutely off limits for a lynch, as his role is both confirmable and powerful.
And he wont be killed.......... he can self revive.
Have you ever heard of something called joking around? You don't think tiershift is really that do you?-
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In post 111, Csareo wrote:
The wagon was established by GM and Boonskies, but quickly gained traction in result to comments that TSO made, him even joining the wagon in its 4th slot.
His opening claim said that I'm being to "serious", and he seemed sincere, but when garmr brings forward accusations that I'm a VI, he instantly switches his stance saying my posts are that of a "VI"
This isn't only contradictory, but a "two birds one stone" scum tell.
Me and Tso have had dealings with a person I consider a vi's (she's a nice vi through) recently and I can't elaborate on for reasons. So that's why I see tso's response as understandable.
In post 114, Csareo wrote:I'm more curious as to why their are votes on me at all.
Can someone restate the case, besides me rolefishing confirmable and untouchable roles?
Tbh I don't really see one unless they want a policy lynch. Your better off asking them directly than someone off the wagon.-
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In post 116, Csareo wrote:@Garmr, do you find it odd that TSO tried to associate himself with me when he thought my posts would recieve positive reception, but when more people started to vote for me, he tried to distance himself with a VI assertion?
In post 48, T S O wrote:Caesar, you elephant, stop being serious so early!
We've got about 150 pages for that shit.
VOTE: CAESAR
In post 60, T S O wrote:This is the first game I have ever seen from Csareo where his opening post was not astoundingly scummy. He must be Town!
In post 63, T S O wrote:I don't think you understand the calibre of Csareo's townplay, to be blunt.
But here he's just showing his ability to scumhunt in a mediocre fashion, whereas there he was actively justifying any scummy actions that he did?
It doesn't? The whole point of it is that if he opens scummily as both, then in theory, an opening which isn't quite as scummy should point towards him being Town.
Now with 5 votes on me...
In post 86, T S O wrote:Wait, I think I'm wrong here.
In post 90, T S O wrote:Idiocy confirmed!
PEdit: Sweetheart, I'm not sure if you were reading or not, but I was actually the one calling you town.
In post 94, T S O wrote:I'm fairly sure you'll rack yourself up as the VI without any help on my part, but okay.
I think that would have the opposite effect and make you more associated with him. I Isoed him again and he hasn't unvoted you and I was under the impression he did after he called you most likely town which is weird.
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In post 130, Boonskiies wrote:unvote
My cho and Csareo votes were RVS.
@Cho - I'm totally kidding. Haha.
That was pretty obvious why do you feel the need to clarify that?-
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In post 166, Csareo wrote:Is it usual for TSO to become so hostile to questioning?
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In post 167, Boonskiies wrote:In post 133, Garmr wrote:In post 130, Boonskiies wrote:unvote
My cho and Csareo votes were RVS.
@Cho - I'm totally kidding. Haha.
That was pretty obvious why do you feel the need to clarify that?
He brought up the neighbor thing and how I reacted when I did the same thing there. He chose to out the neighborhood. He didn't think I was kidding, so it wasn't obvious.
I personally read you tone as light hearted due to the ending. I Still feel a bit uncomfortable with you because you had to say it but I guess it answers my question.
Ps you could of totally set up a sweet gambit using the qt if you didn't admit to that on here.-
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quick reads list
Town
csareio- town
Tso-t(csareio made tso easier to read.)
null town-
thor
null-scum
boonskies
tobyloby.
VOTE: tobyloby
Her attitude in 168 irks me and that 198 was the finisher. She passively pushing the idea that Csearios wagon was scum motivated while not admitting to it out load.-
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In post 212, TobyLoby wrote:Csareo deciding to target the one person who looked to maybe be defending him looks kinda townie. Why TSO out of all others? I can see maybe scum buddies doing it, but it's way too early for that and their interaction makes me go nah.
And I never insinuated people on the Csareo wagon are scummy. On the contrary, I think some of those being antsy and backing off of it are being scummy.
So you think the people unvoting him and not the people still on it are scum?
In post 168, TobyLoby wrote:Egg, soon.
In post 152, T S O wrote:There were no productive wagons at the time - the only thing I did/felt like doing was mildly ripping the piss out of you.
this did not happen during that time.
is your vote on csareo for real now? you didn't do the "MY RVS VOTE IS SERIOUS NOW" neon blinking lights indicator.
So at this time it seems you were undecided on tso what do you think of him?-
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In post 347, Muffin wrote:In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.
UNVOTE: toby
Shittyvote is shitty
Will agree with you as tobys now in my null-town list. I took a step back and looked at her whole posts as a whole. I think I was just paranoid.-
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In post 359, TierShift wrote:In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.
UNVOTE: toby
I don't like this post and I'll research you now.
In post 357, Aneninen wrote:@TierShift. I don't know whether it was intentional but I still thought it was a noise.
Ok, I get you. You're arguing it's noise, while others are arguing "scum would never be so abrasive/genuinely pissed". What do you think about the latter take?
Though, I must admit that I might have misread the situation because I don't find entertaining reading Csareo-posts. If I weren't strongly against WotC-s I'd choose Csareo for that. But, I think his gameplay may improve later.
Csareo has been replaced now by grayfoxxxx.
And stop saying you're shit. You don't feign confidence, push your own ideas and so far seem to keep an open mind, which makes you better than ~65% of this site.
Do you need help with your research?
Maybe some questions will help me get back into my game.-
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In post 361, TierShift wrote:Garmr's ISO is a bit....bland. Garmr, why do you townread TSO? Why did your read on toby change? Why is boonskiies null/scum?
Tobyloby makes me feel extremely comfortable and I have the feeling I know her. Her pushes are coherent and thoroughly understandable. I'm wanting her to be town. Toby, you mentioned other people backing off the csareo wagon being scummy. Who would classify as such besides nero?
Nero cain's vote doesn't match his thoughts, as tobyloby pointed out. He eventually says he thinks csareo is town and the wagon is scummy but refuses to vote on the wagon. Why is that, nero cain?
P-ed: here are some questions garmr
I town read tso due to the way he handled the situation with that player who shall not be named and has been removed. I never really seen tso so open on a day 1 before then again it's been 6 months since I played with him in a completed game due my ban and me only coming back recently. Alot of my read is also gut.
Toby changed after I isoed her and reread what she posted. I misinterpreted one of her post and put a scum motive there where there potentially wasn't one. After looking at all her post as a whole instead of just each individually she comes off as town.
Boonskies was the fact he needed to clarify that those were rvs votes. No one really asked him for it and it seems odd as town why you feel the need to say hey this is a rvs vote. He really hasn't done anything to strike me as town either. Also he dodged the csereo subject and didn't give his thoughts on it which made me feel uncomfortable.
These questions did help.
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In post 420, Aneninen wrote:Garrmrrmr wrote:Boonskies was the fact he needed to clarify that those were rvs votes.1 No one really asked him for it and it seems odd as town why you feel the need to say hey this is a rvs vote. He really hasn't done anything to strike me as town either.2 Also he dodged the csereo subject and didn't give his thoughts on it which made me feel uncomfortable.3
(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies. I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
(2) So? Hasn't done anything to strike me as town either? This description fits quite a lot of people here.
(3) He has dodged almost every subject so far.
I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons, Gammrnmhrm.
1.I'm not the only one who thought that was scummy (thor did) and how is that even a defence boon skies is boon skies. Like i said why would town need to clarify themselves.
2.Well if the only thing that strikes me are scum points thenwhy should I think his town?
3.You just made my point even stronger. Dodging subjects is town how?-
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In post 424, Aneninen wrote:@Gammrnmhrm
"Well if the only thing that strikes me are scum points thenwhy should I think his town?"– You don't have to. But, frankly is he your strongest scumread now?
"You just made my point even stronger. Dodging subjects is town how?"– No, I don't like that either. I just don't understand why you mentioned the Csareo-subject. You could have talked about anything else too.
1.Yes he is
2.Because I was asked about my thoughts at the time or at least I took it that way and that was the most relevant subject at the time. The cho subject was still ongoing (still kinda is) and not at it's peak.-
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In post 501, PeregrineV wrote:9. Garmr- probably town.
This is new this is the first game you ever town read me.-
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@Pere
This is the first time in a while someone's actually been on the same wavelength as me. It's feels sooooo goooood as people are usually telling me I'm wrong even when I'm right. But that being said I kinda feel like thor is town, I do share this uneasiness about goodmorning as I don't were to place her because of how cautious she is playing and finally I don't like the way Aneninen handled the way I pushed on boonskies by trying to disprove my points yet being unable to, ending up saying I don't agree with you. It just felt like a failed chainsaw attempt for boon.
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Just curious why vote now and not earlier. You mention people earlier you feel uneasy about but didn't really push on them. I don't really understand a reason to hold back your vote if you find someone suspicious?-
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In post 537, T S O wrote:In post 536, Muffin wrote:In post 534, T S O wrote:If you don't like Aneninen, try using your vote. I hear all the cool kids are doing it these days.
Well I would, but my vote's on my top scumread atm.
That's fair enough. I was talking more to Garmr.
I might talk to you about your Anen read a bit when I have time - that's not now. Probs tomorrow.
Boon skies is my top scumread but Aneninen is a close 2nd. I would really prefer if you jumped on the boon wagon with me.-
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In post 538, goodmorning wrote:
P-EDIT:In post 533, Garmr wrote:@goodmorning
Just curious why vote now and not earlier. You mention people earlier you feel uneasy about but didn't really push on them. I don't really understand a reason to hold back your vote if you find someone suspicious?
I like this question.
I was primarily focused on reading Csareo since he was responding to questions and I could play off the TSO thing.
As far as mentioning my uneasiness on people: one irrelevant post or off gut read does not a good vote make.
I've found I can have difficulty in Larges due to sheer scope of the playerlist, so mentioning people I'm uncomfortable within the momentis a new thing I'm trying; I should be able to put my focus where I want it and look back to see where I was uncomfortable with AND NOTICED someone in the past.
It's also a good way to mark things I may want to pursue at a later date.
Ok so you saying it's a playstyle thing your trying. It also crossed my mind earlier you might be using the neighborhood to discuss cases and that's why you weren't pushing as hard in thread. It got me thinking what warrants a vote to you? Because I use my vote as a pressure tool and I find threatening to vote someone if they don't answer a question can sometimes apply even more pressure to answer. So not voting till this late in the game baffles me.
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In post 562, Boonskiies wrote:Don't push me to claim, please.
In post 572, Boonskiies wrote:I'm almost positive it's multiball. My role basically implies it.
Kinda annoyed that someone would passively role claim day 1 with only one vote on them. If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum. Unless your just saying that to get some town cred but that will sort itself out in time.
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In post 668, Aneninen wrote:
Garmmrn, 646 – I'll ignore your vote until you provide any reasons for it. I don't think you're surprised now.
Maybe you should check my iso and you would find the reasons because I did put some of my thoughts out on you.-
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In post 675, Aneninen wrote:@Garmmr: I've already checked but apart from the part that "I'm the close 2nd" and the part where I questioned your Boonskiies vote I have found nothing.
Tomorrow I may have more time. I'll check the posts between Thor and PeregrineV again because it's possible that I missed things because of the sheer size and amount of the posts.
@Cho: WTF? Yet another vote with no additional content?
At this point I must tell you the following: If I got lynched Today you all should examine these votes. It's strongly possible that the scums are between these votes because they want to build a counter-wagon quickly.
In other words: compare the PeregrineV wagon and my one. On PeregrineV there were much content written. On me, almost nothing.
In post 533, Garmr wrote: finally I don't like the way Aneninen handled the way I pushed on boonskies by trying to disprove my points yet being unable to, ending up saying I don't agree with you. It just felt like a failed chainsaw attempt for boon.
Basically What I'm saying is you tried to defend against my points with out having a valid counter points in fact you actually strengthened my points in some parts and that comes off as scummy.-
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In post 679, T S O wrote:In post 534, T S O wrote:If you don't like Aneninen, try using your vote. I hear all the cool kids are doing it these days.
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In post 682, Aneninen wrote:TSO. Your last statement is wrong. You can ISO me to see: apart from my random vote I've only voted for PeregrineV so far. And I posted my reasons for doing so.
My scumread gets stronger because it seems that you're doing nothing but tunnelling me. Eg. out of your last 10 posts there were only 2 which weren't about me in some aspects.
"It's a nasty feeling when you get caught as scum, isn't it?"– Well, if I were you I'd start to construct a very good excuse now. Your gameplay will look very awkward after my flip.
"If you don't like Aneninen, try using your vote. I hear all the cool kids are doing it these days."– For sure, yeah. Day1 mislynches are very good.
@Garrmr
"finally I don't like the way Aneninen handled the way I pushed on boonskies by trying to disprove my points yet being unable to, ending up saying I don't agree with you. It just felt like a failed chainsaw attempt for boon."
I didn't find that part, sorry. "I don't agree with you" = "I see your points, even if I have a different opinion". Thats'why I didn't answer anything else. My goal is to examine the players' motivations whether they're coming from a town or a scum. That's all: I moved on, I found more interested things in the thread. I'd have tried harder to push you if I had performed a Chainsaw. Especially because you had been voting for Boonskiies before you voted for me.
It's not the fact you didn't agree with me. It's the fact you tried to discredit my points. Which you weren't able to then you just brushed it off passively by saying oh well we don't agree. It really cut any progress on boonskies short as he hasn't provided much content. You basically just tried wked him.
and no you were pushing on tso at the time and I wasn't voting you and as tso says your interest increases in a player once they are voting you.-
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In post 688, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 423, Garmr wrote:In post 420, Aneninen wrote:Garrmrrmr wrote:Boonskies was the fact he needed to clarify that those were rvs votes.1 No one really asked him for it and it seems odd as town why you feel the need to say hey this is a rvs vote. He really hasn't done anything to strike me as town either.2 Also he dodged the csereo subject and didn't give his thoughts on it which made me feel uncomfortable.3
(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies. I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
(2) So? Hasn't done anything to strike me as town either? This description fits quite a lot of people here.
(3) He has dodged almost every subject so far.
I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons, Gammrnmhrm.
1.I'm not the only one who thought that was scummy (thor did) and how is that even a defence boon skies is boon skies. Like i said why would town need to clarify themselves.
2.Well if the only thing that strikes me are scum points thenwhy should I think his town?
3.You just made my point even stronger. Dodging subjects is town how?
@GARMR
A simple question.
have you read any of Aneninen's previous games?
While the earliest games are the oldest they do show best where his approach to play comes from. newbie 1513.
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In post 734, TierShift wrote:In post 425, Garmr wrote:In post 424, Aneninen wrote:@Gammrnmhrm
"Well if the only thing that strikes me are scum points thenwhy should I think his town?"– You don't have to. But, frankly is he your strongest scumread now?
"You just made my point even stronger. Dodging subjects is town how?"– No, I don't like that either. I just don't understand why you mentioned the Csareo-subject. You could have talked about anything else too.
1.Yes he is
2.Because I was asked about my thoughts at the time or at least I took it that way and that was the most relevant subject at the time. The cho subject was still ongoing (still kinda is) and not at it's peak.
This is lame, super lame. The question is useless and the answer is made in a too serious manner. Marking as possible buddy tell for later.
-_- are you fucking kidding me tier shift walk out this door right now. I was already thinking annienen was null- scum when he tried to chainsaw me on boon and couldn't respond and your trying to pin that moment as when I thought annienen might be scum. I may be newish thanks to my ban but I'm not fucking so stupid to let someone like you try to misrep me here. PS asking who is your top scum read is not a stupid question either.-
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In post 750, TierShift wrote:In post 748, Garmr wrote:-_- are you fucking kidding me tier shift walk out this door right now. I was already thinking annienen was null- scum when he tried to chainsaw me on boon and couldn't respond and your trying to pin that moment as when I thought annienen might be scum. I may be newish thanks to my ban but I'm not fucking so stupid to let someone like you try to misrep me here. PS asking who is your top scum read is not a stupid question either.
I'm pointing out I found it weak. What about it is misrepping?
The fact you were implying I was buddying Aneninen when I obviously think his scum.-
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In post 863, Aneninen wrote:
Garmr– Hard question. He's been after the wrong players all the time (not only because of his vote for me, I mean Toby and Boonskiies too) and I don't know whether it comes from a town or a scum mindset. Unsorted.
Everyone can be sorted into three mind sets town,third party and scum. I operate from a scum mindset (In any game) and that changes the way I hunt for scum. Basically my filters different but it has worked in past games. Because of that I enjoy scum games more and if you look into my past scum games you can see the effort and time I put into each masterpiece. I'm currently trying to improve my town game since I feel like I mastered scum and tbh to me it looks like you have town mindset playing a scum game. People with town mindsets tend to have difficulty hiding flaws as scum.
anyway
some reads I haven't really talked about.
- I don't know what think of this guy his post are dull and i'm curious about his defenation of town cred is and why anyone who is voting him would get it. and tbh his vote on pere looks like a little bit of a off.
Scriptennull-scum
EGG- Egg is a weird read I like some of his posts(452 for example) even through I don't agree with his conclusions (his veiw on pere). But him being wrong doesn't make him scum -I feel comfortable placing him as town.
davesaz- tbh he has a lot of wording in his post and I don't like some of conclusions. In my eyes he hasn't really impacted the game so null.-
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In post 948, Aneninen wrote:
@Garmr. In theory, everyone can be sorted. In pratice, it's not always that easy for me. In your case, you seem to have a town mindset. However, a town mindset can be mimed by a scum too. Since I don't really get your votes and reads, I'm not sure whether you're town reading the game in an entirely different way or a scum, imitating a town mindset. Your latest post suggests the first possibility, on the other hand.
I don't think you got what I meant but that's just talking about theory and I don't want to clog the chat up.
Talking about not getting things.
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I don't get what your trying to accomplish with the mediator approach?-
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In post 968, Aneninen wrote:Ididget what you meant but that didn't help me sorting you. (And you must admit, the thing you explained can be faked as well.) That'swhy I answered the thing I did.
What's your opinion about Boonskiies now? Because now it'smewho didn't like his recent posts. (931, 933, 939)
Your better off asking ffery or pirate mollie what I'm talking about because I'm finding difficult explaining explaining it in a way that won't clog up about half a page of this and they introduced me to the concept. But it's not something you fake because even if you did fake it wouldn't change peoples reads for the better people tend to get more suspicious.
anyway
I still don't like boon skies. But tbh I don't understand why scum would reveal they have a role that could confirm multiscum because that would make them more likely to be targeted in the night phase. This has me frustrated because I don't know how to interpret it.-
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In post 1035, Egg wrote:Aneninen wrote:At this point I must tell you the following: If I got lynched Today you all should examine these votes. It's strongly possible that the scums are between these votes because they want to build a counter-wagon quickly.
In other words: compare the PeregrineV wagon and my one. On PeregrineV there were much content written. On me, almost nothing.
This actually reads both genuine and true? Is there actually a case on Aneninen. I don't remember reading it.
I mean, this is just lol:
TSO wrote:Aneninen, has there been any large wagon today you haven't supported? I don't think there has.
Aneninen wrote:You can ISO me to see: apart from my random vote I've only voted for PeregrineV so far
Gonna start my read from Page 30 within the next couple of days. I'm off work until Saturday night.
I made a case -_-.-
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In post 1038, Egg wrote:Was it before Page 30? If not, I haven't made it that far yet? If so, quote?
In post 685, Garmr wrote:In post 682, Aneninen wrote:TSO. Your last statement is wrong. You can ISO me to see: apart from my random vote I've only voted for PeregrineV so far. And I posted my reasons for doing so.
My scumread gets stronger because it seems that you're doing nothing but tunnelling me. Eg. out of your last 10 posts there were only 2 which weren't about me in some aspects.
"It's a nasty feeling when you get caught as scum, isn't it?"– Well, if I were you I'd start to construct a very good excuse now. Your gameplay will look very awkward after my flip.
"If you don't like Aneninen, try using your vote. I hear all the cool kids are doing it these days."– For sure, yeah. Day1 mislynches are very good.
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"finally I don't like the way Aneninen handled the way I pushed on boonskies by trying to disprove my points yet being unable to, ending up saying I don't agree with you. It just felt like a failed chainsaw attempt for boon."
I didn't find that part, sorry. "I don't agree with you" = "I see your points, even if I have a different opinion". Thats'why I didn't answer anything else. My goal is to examine the players' motivations whether they're coming from a town or a scum. That's all: I moved on, I found more interested things in the thread. I'd have tried harder to push you if I had performed a Chainsaw. Especially because you had been voting for Boonskiies before you voted for me.
It's not the fact you didn't agree with me. It's the fact you tried to discredit my points. Which you weren't able to then you just brushed it off passively by saying oh well we don't agree. It really cut any progress on boonskies short as he hasn't provided much content. You basically just tried wked him.
and no you were pushing on tso at the time and I wasn't voting you and as tso says your interest increases in a player once they are voting you.
a small summary case here but most of my views can be seen between my debate through i have an updated view on him and it's still scum I just been playing to much smash bros to be bothered typing it out. I also remember tso making a case earlier. There were also comments from other players who aren't on the wagon why he is scummy as well.-
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In post 1040, Egg wrote:Oh, that whole thing. Yeah, I didn't agree with you there.
Basically, I understand why you'd go after Boon, but I think Boon is town and his softclaiming is poor town play, not scum play. Aneninen seems to think you are scum for pushing a potential power role. I can understand that too. But I don't think it makes as much sense for scum to do that as people seem to think. The whole issue seems like a chain reaction of misunderstandings more than anything and I actually have Boon, you, and Aneninen all as town.
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I should rephrase that, at the time Aneninen did his thing with boon. Boon didn't even hint at a power role this comes after Annienens chainsaw defense of him. Also he admits he doesn't even think Boon is town he just wants to discredit my points which he didn't. To me that's a scum that doesn't want to make his read look bad but backfires.-
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In post 1043, Aneninen wrote:
@Garmrmrhh. I can see that you had drawn a lot of "Regardless Of" cards before the game started. You needn't play all of them at me. You'll need them later.
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In post 1045, Aneninen wrote:I explained my posts about Boonskiies and about my problems with your case against him. Our conversation was ended because you assumed that I'd been unable to understand your posts. Basicly, you're discarding everything I post unless you can add it to your case. Hadn't you do so, you'd know what a "Regardless of Card" is.
I don't discard everything you post and I have been communicating to you as well like in post 942,967,969 for example were I try to explain my mindset and was trying to figure out how you were thinking as well with mindset thing. You didn't understand what i was trying to convoy and i gave up and dropped it.
Now you mention it, It's a great time to bring out more things I find scummy about you.
In post 420, Aneninen wrote:Garrmrrmr wrote:Boonskies was the fact he needed to clarify that those were rvs votes.1 No one really asked him for it and it seems odd as town why you feel the need to say hey this is a rvs vote. He really hasn't done anything to strike me as town either.2 Also he dodged the csereo subject and didn't give his thoughts on it which made me feel uncomfortable.3
(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies. I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
(2) So? Hasn't done anything to strike me as town either? This description fits quite a lot of people here.
(3) He has dodged almost every subject so far.
, Gammrnmhrm.I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons
In post 765, Aneninen wrote:Garmrmr. I see that you thought I was trying to protect Boonskiies. It's my fault but I forgot to tell you something. I've known him from Mini #1585. In that game he had the same Day1 gameplay before he replaced out and he was town.That's why I thought he was town.(As for my reads now I need to follow the recent events.)
This is a major contradiction. At the time you keeped your thoughts open and when you thought he might come off as town you say you defended him becuase you thought he was town. This is a major slip up because as town you would remember your read at the time.
In post 668, Aneninen wrote:Garmmrn, 646 – I'll ignore your vote until you provide any reasons for it. I don't think you're surprised now.
ignoring someones vote and admitting outloud is not what i would consider a town move. I would assume a player with your mindset would question it if you were town. To me it sounds like you didn't want to get dragged out in the open.
I'll put this in a spoiler as this post 1003 is full of information.
Spoiler:
post 1003 (assuming you read spoiler)
Is a desperate flail it shows your survival mentality it's only aimed at the people who are actually actively pushing your wagon. It shows you are more concerned with stopping the people pushing and than actually finding out the reasoning for the people who aren't pushing. This is designed to try and get people to town read you and feel guilty and throw mud on the people actually pushing cases. It screams scum motive as I can not see how town would post such a worthless piece of shit.-
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In post 1046, Garmr wrote:IDidn't say my reasons and converse with you you'd probally wouldn't of said much about me at all or interacted much.
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In post 1125, davesaz wrote:In post 1051, Garmr wrote:^ This is more reason to lynch this guy.
1.I know you have posted a couple of things other than Anen related, but are you even bothering to seriously ready anyone else? 2.Can you explain in a little more detail how being scum is the only reason someone might aggressively defend against an attacker who seems to be deliberately misunderstanding one's posts?
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Yes I have bothered to read other people I have strong stance that tso and pere are town and will not vote them today. I have been engaging with other people while pushing my main case which you acknowledged in your post so the original question loses it's umpphh phrasing it differently would have a more powerful effect.
2This question is meh and shows your bias seriously you could phrase that way better as it push your opinion into someones mouth. The scenario was I was pushing boon skies who may or may of not been town in the eyes of annienen (null read) and he aggressively defended boon to discredit my reasoning not really to defend boon skies as at the time others had said stuff about boon like thor and he didn't bother with them just me. He was unable to discredit my reasoning and played it off as lets agree to disagree. Town don't seek to discredit cases for the sake of trying to make another player look bad.
Davez a side note to help improve your game try to ask question that don't push what your thinking onto someone ask question to try and draw out what they are thinking. It does give others a better read on what your thinking sure but you should save that for the cases as your opinion in question taints the answer.-
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In post 1131, AxleGreaser wrote:@GARMR you appear to have missed this.
In post 1057, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1042, Garmr wrote: [...] Also he admits he doesn't even think Boon is town he just wants todiscreditmy points which he didn't.
Hi I might have missed it but i reallly dont think so.
Your statement above speaks exactly to the point of motivation
I believe he has stated he does not accept your points about Boon. He said exactly that recently Aneneinen: "Another possible interpretation would be the following. "I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons.""
Did he actually say "he just wants to discredit", or did he really say he disagrees with the validity of your statements/reasons.
To me that's a scum that doesn't want to make his read look bad but backfires.
If it incontrovertible (because he '?admits' it) that he "just wants to discredit you" then I agree, that is exceedingly scummy. Please show me your claim is true
(Quote ebwoped to added trailing ?)
I did miss it sorry
In post 420, Aneninen wrote:(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies.I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
These bolded words are the ones that give away the motive. It's a accusation that didn't need to be there he could of easily had the sentence with out it in fact it would look alot better with out it. I feel like this gives away the motive as him trying to push me off as scummy and discredit me and failing.
But in short he never admitted to trying to discredit me and I don't think he ever will.-
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In post 1134, davesaz wrote:In post 1129, Garmr wrote:In post 1125, davesaz wrote:In post 1051, Garmr wrote:^ This is more reason to lynch this guy.
1.I know you have posted a couple of things other than Anen related, but are you even bothering to seriously ready anyone else? 2.Can you explain in a little more detail how being scum is the only reason someone might aggressively defend against an attacker who seems to be deliberately misunderstanding one's posts?
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Yes I have bothered to read other people I have strong stance that tso and pere are town and will not vote them today. I have been engaging with other people while pushing my main case which you acknowledged in your post so the original question loses it's umpphh phrasing it differently would have a more powerful effect.
2This question is meh and shows your bias seriously you could phrase that way better as it push your opinion into someones mouth. The scenario was I was pushing boon skies who may or may of not been town in the eyes of annienen (null read) and he aggressively defended boon to discredit my reasoning not really to defend boon skies as at the time others had said stuff about boon like thor and he didn't bother with them just me. He was unable to discredit my reasoning and played it off as lets agree to disagree. Town don't seek to discredit cases for the sake of trying to make another player look bad.
Davez a side note to help improve your game try to ask question that don't push what your thinking onto someone ask question to try and draw out what they are thinking. It does give others a better read on what your thinking sure but you should save that for the cases as your opinion in question taints the answer.
Let's try that again, without the specific example.
Player A posts something. Player B attacks player A in a way which appears to be deliberately misunderstanding A's posts. Player A defends. Player B misunderstands Player A's defense and continues to attack. Ad infinitum.
Is player A's defense something only scum would do? Or might A as town aggressively defend against an attacker who is misunderstanding A's posts?
What are your thoughts on the town or scum motivations of player B in this situation?
No player A isn't in the wrong it's not something only scum would do and player B could be town or scum as well. Player B town motivation would be him trying to push his case because he doesn't realize he misunderstood something and his scum motivation could to be to make player A look scummy to get a mislynch. It's hard to tell what motivation it is with out something slipping.-
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In post 1140, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1133, Garmr wrote:In post 1131, AxleGreaser wrote:@GARMR you appear to have missed this.
In post 1057, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1042, Garmr wrote: [...] Also he admits he doesn't even think Boon is town he just wants todiscreditmy points which he didn't.
Hi I might have missed it but i reallly dont think so.
Your statement above speaks exactly to the point of motivation
I believe he has stated he does not accept your points about Boon. He said exactly that recently Aneneinen: "Another possible interpretation would be the following. "I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons.""
Did he actually say "he just wants to discredit", or did he really say he disagrees with the validity of your statements/reasons.
To me that's a scum that doesn't want to make his read look bad but backfires.
If it incontrovertible (because he '?admits' it) that he "just wants to discredit you" then I agree, that is exceedingly scummy. Please show me your claim is true
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I did miss it sorry
In post 420, Aneninen wrote:(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies.I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
These bolded words are the ones that give away the motive. It's a accusation that didn't need to be there he could of easily had the sentence with out it in fact it would look alot better with out it. I feel like this gives away the motive as him trying to push me off as scummy and discredit me and failing.
But in short he never admitted to trying to discredit me and I don't think he ever will.
He also didnt admit to thinking Boonskies is town, he kinda specifically said
"I'm not saying that he's town. He may be scum. But, NOT because of your reasons."
he agreed to the possibilty of it in order to specifically point out he does not agree with your reasons.
If he started rubbishing you, your intelligence, your skill, your interest in the game, .... that would be perhaps discrediting you instead of your points.
BTW I find Boonskies to a significantly different player, hence Aneninen pointing out that he has seen Boonskies being Boonskies is important.
If you poke around in my playing history for instance you will find, Hey Axle has never played with Boonskies, thats weird. FYI: I have read Boonksies games.(Where read means tried to guess his alignment.) See: I feel the need to tell you and justify how I know about Boonskies too.
I am not seeing what you are seeing.
am I trying to discredit your read?
No it doesn't discredit my read. Even through I'm starting to see why my starting reasoning may of not been the best which I hate to admit. But the way his acted about his wagon doesn't ring town to me.
So what do you think of posts 1003 and 1050.-
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In post 1179, Nero Cain wrote: "If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum." is p silly. Scum already know if its mb or not.
Potential scumslip
I think nero just slipped he confirmed that scum know it's multiball-
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In post 1244, Garmr wrote:In post 1179, Nero Cain wrote: "If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum." is p silly. Scum already know if its mb or not.
Potential scumslip
I think nero just slipped he confirmed that scum know it's multiball
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In post 1246, Scripten wrote:In post 1244, Garmr wrote:In post 1179, Nero Cain wrote: "If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum." is p silly. Scum already know if its mb or not.
Potential scumslip
I think nero just slipped he confirmed that scum know it's multiball
Ehhh... I called it out, but I'm not scumreading him too hard for it. Jumping on tiny things like that pushes mislynches. I disagree that it's worth calling it a scumslip.
P-Edit - TBH, even if it didn't have the "or not."
So you do find it scummy through? Since you don't think it's a slip what reason do you find it scummy for?-
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In post 1249, Nero Cain wrote:Whats weird about it? Seems like it would be basic logic.
I had a game were the scum team legit thought me and my mason partner were another scum team. I was also the vig the game was called mini 1523 viscon desert.-
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In post 1311, Nero Cain wrote:Why is fonz townie, why am I suspicious?
Because I don't see what's wrong with what fonz is saying. I actually can see the thought he puts behind some of answer even if I don't agree with every read.
While on the other hand your just Like why are you scum reading him why is this guy a town/scum read even if they already explained it that or basing arguments on assumed knowledge which can't be proven or disproven. You also don't seem natural it's like you force yourself into a situation were you label someone as scum and then get in a heated debut. Sure people get into debuts all the time but not by going. "Me nero, why are you town/scum reading? oh that anwser you scum, Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" or "Me nero, me assume you have more knowledge, you can't debate that since you can't prove don't have knowledge, You scum Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" That's how I feel when I read your game.-
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