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Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:06 pm

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Votecount 1.2


[1]
Boonskiies:
Aneninen
[2]
Cho:
T S O, Muffin
[1]
Egg:
davesaz
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Muffin:
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Nero Cain:
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PeregrineV:
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Thor:
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TobyLoby:
Nero Cain
:right: [4]
T S O:
Grayfoxxx, Thor665, TierShift, Cho

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Not Voting:
Aeronaut, Alina, Boonskiies, goodmorning, hephaestus, Izariael, PeregrineV, Garmr

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

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Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:17 pm

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AS AN EMPHATIC MOD NOTE, PLEASE EITHER BOLD ALL MOD REQUESTS OR PM THEM TO ME. This includes all questions and all complaints against other players and their actions, including any kind of rules violation.

I do the best I can, but I am mainly skimming for votes and egregious issues (bad language, claiming scum in a one-line post, etc.) and am not picking apart the thread. Please help me out by drawing things to my attention ACTIVELY rather than hoping I notice.
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Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:35 pm

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In post 343, Thor665 wrote:
In post 334, T S O wrote:"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."

That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.

That's not how you link to quotes on a forum.


I guess I never heard how to link quotes from a locked forum.
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Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:35 pm

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unvote tso


vote cho
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Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:35 pm

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"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:42 pm

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Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:02 pm

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I'm seeing TSO as town. I have been in some pissing matches (looking at you Thor), but TSO took it to another level. I know effort doesn't indicate alignment but TSOs effort and willingness to respond to everything indicates null town at the least. The content of his effort doesn't feel scummy. I think he should try not to tunnel so much because it gives scum some leverage when pushing a wagon.

Cho or tier could be scum but Chos posts are horrible. I think he jumped on an easy wagon and he has been ambiguous about it. Sheeping isn't towny at all this early. youre hiding behind someone else's actions with out even having a real read on the person you are sheeping. Has a slight buddying feel to it as well.

This is after a quick read and a phone post. I would liketo touch on the Nero/Toby duel after I reread. My strongest town read is good morning. Not any easy reads either way.

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Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:07 pm

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@Toby.
Goodmorning has been writing contentful posts, even when he responded to Csareo. Eg. , , , ... Plus, TSO had a game with Csareo before and Goodmorning hadn't (as far as I know). And I really liked .

For TSO, see the next part.

@TierShift. I don't know whether it was intentional but I still thought it was a noise. Eg. /, , , (the only informative part was ), most of the part, ... need I search for more? Frankly, I have a lot to do today and I don't want to get tired before my work starts.

Though, I must admit that I might have misread the situation because I don't find entertaining reading Csareo-posts. If I weren't strongly against WotC-s I'd choose Csareo for that. But, I think his gameplay may improve later.

(Side-note. Yes, I know I'm shyt too. I realized it a couple of days ago. But, if you think that I'm producing VI-posts, please explain me why. I really want to improve and if I got WotC-ed later many times I wouldn't have the chance for it. And playing Mafia is fun.)

Toby may be town. She's scumhunting actively, in my opinion.
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Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:23 pm

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Alrighty folks,

Sorry I'm late to the party. Lemme go grab my mask and I'll join in the festivities shortly.

Tata for now, I shant be long! (reading)
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Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:03 pm

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In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.


UNVOTE: toby

I don't like this post and I'll research you now.
In post 357, Aneninen wrote:@TierShift. I don't know whether it was intentional but I still thought it was a noise.

Ok, I get you. You're arguing it's noise, while others are arguing "scum would never be so abrasive/genuinely pissed". What do you think about the latter take?
Though, I must admit that I might have misread the situation because I don't find entertaining reading Csareo-posts. If I weren't strongly against WotC-s I'd choose Csareo for that. But, I think his gameplay may improve later.

Csareo has been replaced now by grayfoxxxx.
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Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:25 pm

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In post 359, TierShift wrote:
In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.


UNVOTE: toby

I don't like this post and I'll research you now.
In post 357, Aneninen wrote:@TierShift. I don't know whether it was intentional but I still thought it was a noise.

Ok, I get you. You're arguing it's noise, while others are arguing "scum would never be so abrasive/genuinely pissed". What do you think about the latter take?
Though, I must admit that I might have misread the situation because I don't find entertaining reading Csareo-posts. If I weren't strongly against WotC-s I'd choose Csareo for that. But, I think his gameplay may improve later.

Csareo has been replaced now by grayfoxxxx.
And stop saying you're shit. You don't feign confidence, push your own ideas and so far seem to keep an open mind, which makes you better than ~65% of this site.

Do you need help with your research?
Maybe some questions will help me get back into my game.
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Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:28 pm

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Garmr's ISO is a bit....bland. Garmr, why do you townread TSO? Why did your read on toby change? Why is boonskiies null/scum?

Tobyloby makes me feel extremely comfortable and I have the feeling I know her. Her pushes are coherent and thoroughly understandable. I'm wanting her to be town. Toby, you mentioned other people backing off the csareo wagon being scummy. Who would classify as such besides nero?

Nero cain's vote doesn't match his thoughts, as tobyloby pointed out. He eventually says he thinks csareo is town and the wagon is scummy but refuses to vote on the wagon. Why is that, nero cain?

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Post Post #362 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 am

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Have a few minor reads.

TSO seems mildly town. Toby and Tiershift feel town. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)

Nero Cain looks a little suspicious. Cho feels like scum to me.

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Post Post #363 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:23 am

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Why so minor?
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Post Post #364 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:43 am

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Post Post #365 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:16 am

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In post 359, TierShift wrote:
In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.
UNVOTE: toby

I don't like this post and I'll research you now.

Good, maybe you'll figure out what it is then.

Looking forward to Izariael's post.

I seem to have concluded that TSO is Town.
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Post Post #366 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:48 am

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I'll probably be catching up today. Anything I should look for?
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Post Post #367 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:05 am

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In post 333, Muffin wrote:
In post 330, T S O wrote:Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.

The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.

Knowing your own meta makes that meta useless.
That is not a valid defence.

I support this post. Have a cookie, Muffin.

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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:14 am

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In post 356, GrayFoxxxx wrote:I'm seeing TSO as town. I have been in some pissing matches (looking at you Thor), but TSO took it to another level. I know effort doesn't indicate alignment but TSOs effort and willingness to respond to everything indicates null town at the least.
The content of his effort doesn't
feel
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I think he should try not to tunnel so much because it gives scum some leverage when pushing a wagon.

Cho or tier could be scum but Chos posts are horrible. I think he jumped on an easy wagon and he has been ambiguous about it.
Sheeping isn't towny at all this early.
youre hiding behind someone else's actions with out even having a real read on the person you are sheeping.
Has a slight buddying feel to it as well.


This is after a quick read and a phone post. I would liketo touch on the Nero/Toby duel after I reread.
My strongest town read is good morning
. Not any easy reads either way.

-shitty phone post

I find myself agreeing with most of this post upon catching up on the thread. Even beyond this post, I'm willing to give the slot a town pass for now. Csareo seemed like he dove off the deep end but forgot his little floaters...

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On my first read-through, goodmorning was top townread, but now that I've gone back I'm kind of second-guessing that read. Didn't care much for 239 in particular, her defense of T S O seems a bit excessive, and then it gets followed up by this:
In post 349, goodmorning wrote:So I've found myself defending TSO. That's pretty strong for me. This is where I figure out whether it's because of circumstance or is an actual townread.

In post 365, goodmorning wrote:I seem to have concluded that TSO is Town.

I'm putting her as town for now, but this did smell a little funky. Smells like goddamn "eau de oiseau" or something...

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I'm hesitant to lean town on T S O. I'm not sure that his interaction with Csareo is alignment-indicative, but it seems genuine. Probably gonna hold back on a read for now until something piques my interest from him.

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Top scumread would be Scripten. I'm irked by everything in his ISO. Non-committal, flimsy reads and a lackadaisical vote on top wagon are raising my hackles.

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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:18 am

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Vote: Scripten
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:42 am

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In post 352, T S O wrote:
In post 343, Thor665 wrote:
In post 334, T S O wrote:"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."

That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.

That's not how you link to quotes on a forum.


I guess I never heard how to link quotes from a locked forum.

Like this;
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5243294

Will there be other examples or is the one example it?

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Vote: Scripten

I don't think you get to naked vote at this stage of the game - reads and thoughts please.
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:42 am

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And I townread Scripten.
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:55 am

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In post 362, Scripten wrote:Have a few minor reads.

TSO seems mildly town. Toby and Tiershift feel town. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)

Nero Cain looks a little suspicious. Cho feels like scum to me.

UNVOTE: Thor665
VOTE: Cho


Null on scripten. This is the only post to really get reads off of. I agree with about half of it. His light ISO is really what is keeping me from getting off of the fence.
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:59 am

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In post 371, Thor665 wrote:And I townread Scripten.


Could you elaborate a bit? What are you seeing that I'm not?
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:02 am

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In post 370, Thor665 wrote:I don't think you get to naked vote at this stage of the game - reads and thoughts please.


It's not naked, it's more an acceptance that Izraeil probably knows better than I at this point, and last time I thought they were scum, ignored them, and we lost.

Of course, an actual read will give me a better idea. Is there a reason you think he is particularly town?
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