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Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:37 am

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ok.....but I don't get why you are being caustic here and it makes me think you lack social skills or are scum and since I have played with you before and don't think you lack social skills I'm going with scum.

In post 1227, The Fonz wrote:1.Primarily, calling Aneninen's voting reason 'fake' yet doing jack shit about this. 2.Questions TSO's obviously not-serious vote. 3. The only other part of that post that is in any way content is in saying Csareo's posts are 'refreshingly direct' when he kind of hints that he might have a problem with Thor but asks an empty question instead, the obvious answer to which is 'because he's fucking terrible.' It's a glaring filler post.

1. Looked like a joke to me
2. This is the only part of your "385 is bad" that stacks up.
3. I don't think that's an empty question at all.
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Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:37 am

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so yeah, looks like your PV vote was a scum hop.
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Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:46 am

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1. Didn't look in any, way shape or form like a joke to me.
2. I got an incredibly strong scumvibe off that post. Like, it leapt off the page at me. Are you telling me that when you look at it, it doesn't scream scum to you?
3. Would you like to explain how it's a scum hop (presumably, onto a wagon) when I hadn't even got to the point where the wagon built at that stage? I mean, the existence of the wagon is fine, because he's scum. But still.
4. It was obviously empty. What the hell could you expect Thor to say in response that would be in any way enlightening?
5. You're ignoring the 'it's full of filler' point.
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Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:11 am

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In post 1288, goodmorning wrote:
In post 1281, Thor665 wrote:Walk me through what I'm supposed to see?

You're not supposed to see anything. That's the point.

So let me get this straight. You were reaction testing Toby by
not communicating
? And you expect us to believe that? Or are you just saying that your reaction test involved Toby perhaps as an experimental subject, and you were really looking for the reactions of someone else to that non-communication?

If you were looking for whether there was a response or not, I'd think you would have posted something provocative in order to generate, or not generate, that response. No evidence of that kind of activity with regard to Toby.

Let me guess, the reaction test was saying there was a reaction test? To find out who, if anyone, responded to that? Or aimed at a specific player?

I think it makes a dandy way for scum to deliberately not say anything useful for a few days. From a scum motivation, if someone calls you out on it it gives you an attack point. And if nobody calls you out on it, then you get to skate for a while. I think I like this explanation a lot better than what I've seen in your responses to it.
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Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:11 am

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1. It was an RVS vote and therefore "fake" Also he was calling Boon scum and NOT Anen.
2. Nope.
3. Saying you hadn't seen it yet =//= having seen it yet. Scum lie. But like there was still plenty of PV talk up to p20 and there was no way to miss that.+ on p23 there was a vc that showed PV as tied for the leading wagon with 4 votes, however none of those 4 votes came between pages 20-23 so you are lying that you didn't see that.
4. Not sure but asking PV to explain why he thought Scripten was scummy seems like a p legit q to me.
5. I disagree that its filler.
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Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:13 am

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So who wants to claim to be Fonzies scum buddy?
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Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:19 am

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Looks like my predecessor was bang on the money... you can swing next.
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Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:19 am

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mod, pls change your vc style.

ex.

In post 1075, Aegor wrote:
[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
[3]Aneninen: T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]Cho: Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
[3]Scripten: Izariael, PeregrineV, AxleGreaser
[2]Thor: goodmorning, Nero Cain
[1]Nero Cain: TobyLoby
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Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:21 am

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Hey Fonz, wanna explain to me how PV had a 4 man wagon on him but you claimed to not have seen this?
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Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:22 am

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In post 1307, Nero Cain wrote:
mod, pls change your vc style.


ex.

In post 1075, Aegor wrote:
[7]PeregrineV: Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
[3]Aneninen: T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]Cho: Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
[3]Scripten: Izariael, PeregrineV, AxleGreaser
[2]Thor: goodmorning, Nero Cain
[1]Nero Cain: TobyLoby
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Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:25 am

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Note to self

Fonz- gets the townie tick of approval
Nero- is starting to look suspicious.
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Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:27 am

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Why is fonz townie, why am I suspicious?
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Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:35 am

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In post 1304, Nero Cain wrote:1. It was an RVS vote and therefore "fake" Also he was calling Boon scum and NOT Anen.


Erm, this is untrue. What PV appears to be saying is that Anen had motive other than his declared 'lolRVS' reasoning. If I'm wrong and he's just derping around, then that still points to a lack of scumhunting intent. Because why bother? Unless he's s, and this feels like a stretch, he's saying that a fake Boon vote is bad, because it should have been a REAL Boon vote? That would be alright.

2. Nope.


I find this hard to believe.

3. Saying you hadn't seen it yet =//= having seen it yet. Scum lie. But like there was still plenty of PV talk up to p20 and there was no way to miss that.+ on p23 there was a vc that showed PV as tied for the leading wagon with 4 votes, however none of those 4 votes came between pages 20-23 so you are lying that you didn't see that.


No, I'm obviously not lying. I mean it's fairly clear from the timeline of my posting that I was in the process of catching up. Some talk =/= obvious leading wagon. You're trying to paint me as piling on a PV lynch. BS.

4. Not sure but asking PV to explain why he thought Scripten was scummy seems like a p legit q to me.


Sorry, WHAT? Who are you saying was asking PV to explain anything? We're talking about a PV post. Do you mean asking Thor? The problem here is it's really really obvious what the 'problem' with Csareo is, and PV can't have not seen it.

5. I disagree that its filler.


*Shrug* You're wrong. It was outstanding in its lack of town motive.
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Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:42 am

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In post 1308, Nero Cain wrote:Hey Fonz, wanna explain to me how PV had a 4 man wagon on him but you claimed to not have seen this?


Because I don't count votes in my head as I re-read, I look for scummy things. Obviously I wasn't entirely unaware some people had expressed some suspicion. But the Thor/Peregrine hatefest begins pretty much precisely from the point at which I paused my re-read.
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Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:51 am

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In post 1311, Nero Cain wrote:Why is fonz townie, why am I suspicious?

Because I don't see what's wrong with what fonz is saying. I actually can see the thought he puts behind some of answer even if I don't agree with every read.


While on the other hand your just Like why are you scum reading him why is this guy a town/scum read even if they already explained it that or basing arguments on assumed knowledge which can't be proven or disproven. You also don't seem natural it's like you force yourself into a situation were you label someone as scum and then get in a heated debut. Sure people get into debuts all the time but not by going. "Me nero, why are you town/scum reading? oh that anwser you scum, Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" or "Me nero, me assume you have more knowledge, you can't debate that since you can't prove don't have knowledge, You scum Me debut, me look town *beats chest.*" That's how I feel when I read your game.
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Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:09 am

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In post 1295, Nero Cain wrote:ok well...TBH that case doesn't sway me but ok, lets say that I'm wrong and PV is scum. Who are the non PV scum in this game?

It's Day 1 and my top read is the largest wagon by a vast margin. I currently have no need to entertain compromises or to sideline myself from pointing out how scummy Pere is.

In post 1295, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1291, Thor665 wrote:Nero - scummy for reason stated, but a lesser read than Pere.

What made me go from townish to your second highest scumread?

In post 1297, The Fonz wrote:^ Clear evidence Nero isn't bothering to read the thread


Go back and click that post you're asking me about - it doesn't say what you are asking me to defend it saying.
Holy cats dude, this is annoying and frustrating. You need to pick it up and actually read stuff as opposed to skimming for your name and tossing out one liners - it is NOT helpful.
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Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:48 am

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Happy Birthday, Thor!

Also a preemptive prod dodge because If I don't have time to post tonight (GMT+1) I may run out of the 2-days-limit. Sorry for that.
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Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:28 am

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In post 1303, davesaz wrote:
In post 1288, goodmorning wrote:
In post 1281, Thor665 wrote:Walk me through what I'm supposed to see?

You're not supposed to see anything. That's the point.

So let me get this straight. You were reaction testing Toby by
not communicating
? And you expect us to believe that? Or are you just saying that your reaction test involved Toby perhaps as an experimental subject, and you were really looking for the reactions of someone else to that non-communication?

If you were looking for whether there was a response or not, I'd think you would have posted something provocative in order to generate, or not generate, that response. No evidence of that kind of activity with regard to Toby.

Let me guess, the reaction test was saying there was a reaction test? To find out who, if anyone, responded to that? Or aimed at a specific player?

I think it makes a dandy way for scum to deliberately not say anything useful for a few days. From a scum motivation, if someone calls you out on it it gives you an attack point. And if nobody calls you out on it, then you get to skate for a while. I think I like this explanation a lot better than what I've seen in your responses to it.

Sometimes a complete dearth of communication is far more provocative than any words, particularly when one is interacting with every other player. Toby was reasonably active at the time and not someone that I'm aware of having played with, so the perfect candidate.

If you think I haven't been participating then I think you need to reassess.

In the meantime, this Fonz/Nero thing is starting to make me think the people calling multiball might be right.

In post 1315, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1295, Nero Cain wrote:ok well...TBH that case doesn't sway me but ok, lets say that I'm wrong and PV is scum. Who are the non PV scum in this game?

It's Day 1 and my top read is the largest wagon by a vast margin. I currently have no need to entertain compromises or to sideline myself from pointing out how scummy Pere is.

This is bad.

In post 1295, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1291, Thor665 wrote:Nero - scummy for reason stated, but a lesser read than Pere.

What made me go from townish to your second highest scumread?

In post 1297, The Fonz wrote:^ Clear evidence Nero isn't bothering to read the thread


Go back and click that post you're asking me about - it doesn't say what you are asking me to defend it saying.
Holy cats dude, this is annoying and frustrating. You need to pick it up and actually read stuff as opposed to skimming for your name and tossing out one liners - it is NOT helpful.

This is better.
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Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:29 am

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In post 1316, Aneninen wrote:Happy Scumday, Thor!

FTFY.
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Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:36 am

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happy scumday thor
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Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:53 am

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In post 1317, goodmorning wrote:This is better.

This is the *exact* sort of thing I have been saying to you that you were complaining was discrediting you and making me more scummy.
But when I point out that Nero isn't reading gak and playing poorly suddenly it's "better"
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I'm good with the idea of lynching Goodmorning now.

In other news, you also didn't address any questions I asked you in my last big post communicating with you. The one I regret not seeing an answer to was a deeper explanation of saying Fonz wasn't offering reads, and also when, specifically, you decided to get a read off Toby by choosing not to interact with him.
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Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:11 am

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Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:14 am

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announcing that I have trouble staying caught up in the weekdays and am thus likely not to post during them.
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Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:27 am

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In post 1320, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1317, goodmorning wrote:This is better.

This is the *exact* sort of thing I have been saying to you that you were complaining was discrediting you and making me more scummy.
But when I point out that Nero isn't reading gak and playing poorly suddenly it's "better"
:neutral:
I'm good with the idea of lynching Goodmorning now.

In other news, you also didn't address any questions I asked you in my last big post communicating with you. The one I regret not seeing an answer to was a deeper explanation of saying Fonz wasn't offering reads, and also when, specifically, you decided to get a read off Toby by choosing not to interact with him.

Nero is not actually reading words.
You also are not actually reading words, but it's harder to catch you at it.
I, on the other hand, am actually reading words. I'm just not writing very many. Subtle difference, I know.

That's true. It's because those are pretty much the only two questions you asked. The former is one I'm getting to. The latter is one that I assumed was solvable by inference: I directly interacted with Toby once, so that would have been before I made the decision not to do so, and Toby started getting less active later in the Day, which was after. There was no one post that triggered it, if that's what you're asking.
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Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:37 am

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How would you have expected town-Toby to react, had she not been in the process of flaking out of the game? How do you think scum-Toby would have been different?
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