Same reason as post 6.
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Why did you ignore my last question, jerseygoomba?jerseygoomba wrote:Jordan, I'm not so sure I would even make a deal about lynch-3. It actually looks a bit more suspicious that Wall-E tried to jumpstart an Atlas bandwagon so quickly.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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I'm makng a note here: jerseygoomba's first response to a bit of attention is OMGUS (or joke-OMGUS, which is also scummy).jerseygoomba wrote:
I didn't ignore it Wall-E, I just thought it was rather a dumb question. Don't you think my pinstriped suit and cigar is a bit cliche to be mafia? One would think I would at least *ATTEMPT* not to stand out in rehearsal. I think you are just jealous of my superior musical talent and want me to stop making you sound bad. (Not like you need much help in that department, oh king of missed notes).Wall-E wrote:
Why did you ignore my last question, jerseygoomba?jerseygoomba wrote:Jordan, I'm not so sure I would even make a deal about lynch-3. It actually looks a bit more suspicious that Wall-E tried to jumpstart an Atlas bandwagon so quickly.
jerseygoomba, what about my Atlas vote made you think it was not random?
What do you think of corporate's post 32 in which he decides to back off a bit in the face of general fast-moving-wagon criticism?
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jerseygoomba wrote:Wall-E, the reason I think your Atlas vote was not random was because of the reason you gave:
POST 6:Wall-E wrote:Vote: Atlas
Same reason as post 6.
That would make sense if you voted for Corporate (who actually posted first), but you voted for Atlas, who didn't. Your rationale behind voting Atlas thus makes no sense. Did you misvote?Whereistony wrote:vote corporate for beating me to the first postAtlas wrote:Wall-E, why does your vote make little sense?Wall-E wrote:Atlas, you beat me to the first post. But corporate beat you there! I am voting for you for beating me to the first post.
Yes.Atlas wrote:But I didn't get the first post. `-`
That's like you getting a D on a quiz, Alice gets a B, and Brenquisha gets a C. Then you slap Brenquisha for getting a higher grade than you.
Except in this class, one of the students is a murderer, and instead of slapping them, I'm trying to get them killed.
Don't you think it's MORE suspicious since we HAVEN'T heard from most of the town on this issue? Seems rather jumpy of corporate to me.jerseygoomba wrote:As for corporate backing off, I would be more suspicious if we heard from the rest of the crew already, but seeing as we didn't, I'm going to take it at face value as I TOO am interested in hearing from the rest of the band.
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Your last question is interesting. I'm not quite sure on that. One possibility out there could be that Atlas *IS* scum, but is taking one for the team. (Now THAT is a reach, but just posting ideas as they come to my head).[/b]
I'm most suspicious of Nekka-Lucifer than anyone else right now.
Vote: Nekka-Lucifer
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I'm a Gamma fan already.
Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (1)corporate
corporate - (1) WhereIsTony
Gamma - (3) Nekka-Lucifer, zachattack, Gamma
jerseygoomba - (2) Tolmides, Atlas
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Sarcasm?
Absolutely not.
I clearly label my sarcasm (because I can't tell when others are using it).
On the issue of Gamma's claim: We have no reason to disbelieve him, and if he makes any stupid choices we can lynch him, but for now I say GO GAMMA GO GAMMA GO GO GO GAMMA GO
Or were some of you voting him going to try to justify continuing your wagon?
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Nekka-Lucifer's OMGUS attack is noted.
You don't like me cheering on the claimed vig? Too bad! I liked Gamma's claim, I liked everything about what he did, up to and including the reprimand.
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Nekka-Lucifer wrote:
What OMGUS attack?Wall-E wrote:Nekka-Lucifer's OMGUS attack is noted.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:UnvoteandVote: Wally
That's not a question. It's bad grammar. If you're wondering why I don't find Gamma's claim suspicious, it's because his wagon was suspicious. He acted quite appropriately, in my opinion, in the face of a wagon on him for his random vote (wtf people?). His claim is provable, and if he ever crosses my scumdar it will be a snap to get the momentum to lynch him.Nekka wrote:I was wondering why you're on Gamma's side and not find him suspicious?
Nope. Avoided would be if I was asked a question and didn't answer. You seem eager to spread blame and suspicion. I've noticed you called four people scum since the game began. Are we to assume you're A) really good at this game or B) to be largely ignored?Nekka wrote:I want some reasoning behind it and I feel you avoided this.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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You're entitled to your opinion, but I think saying Gamma's claimed he will kill townies is a stretch. I doubt that attitude was more than I-just-claimed bravado.
Wouldn't you rather the town have two kills a day? If Gamma doesn't vig our #2 target I will personally lead the charge against him.
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How do you know that his motive for attacking me wasn't OMGUS? You seem REALLY sure of yourself. I understand if you were just pointing out that ostensibly he did provide reasons for his attacks, but I wonder if he would have attacked me AT ALL if I'd lurked instead of pointing out his bad logic? Hmm.My Milked Eek wrote:
That isn't omgus.Wall-E wrote:Nekka-Lucifer's OMGUS attack is noted.
You don't like me cheering on the claimed vig? Too bad! I liked Gamma's claim, I liked everything about what he did, up to and including the reprimand.
In your post 60, Nekka, you say that you think Milk is just parroting what everyone else has already said. Can you show a quoted example of each thing Milk said followed by an example of someone else saying it previously?
Read his original post and then tell me what I'm talking about in the above quote. If you still don't get it, I'll be happy to make you look kinda dumb by explaining, but I'd been under the assumption you were paying closer attention than this.Milk wrote:And of course he's not going to find exact quotes. There are points that resemble each other, but direct quotes? What are you asking here? Trying to make him look suspicious by trying to (somewhat ok?) twist his words?
No.corporate wrote:atlas, i know our objective is to find scum, but it feels like you jump on every little thing. maybe im over reacting but it just seems like youre pickyness comes across as over compensating.
maybe im just naive and believe too many people. you could just be a overly helpful townie. but i dunno....
FoS atlas
for making me feel like he is keeping attention off of himself by putting it everywhere else.
This is not good.
Corporate is testing the waters on lynches without voting, as Atlas pointed out (and got voted by corporate for it! OMGUS!).
Unvote: Vote: Corporate
No. Gamma, do not, under ANY circumstances, vig yourself. I'd rather you vig me than yourself.I'm staying with my "he should nk himself". It leads to the least amount of wifom on D2 concerning him.
Fuck you! I get maaaaybe 2 hours of internet every other day, and so far I've dedicated nearly 50% of it to this damn thread! If you don't think I'm contributing you aren't reading my posts or have a bad definition of contribution.Wall-E ... had posted but hadn't added to the discussion at all
Milk wrote:Wall-E wrote:Gamma's claim is provable. Why kill him?
Explain to me, how exactly is it provable without killing him?
He could be a sk, mafia or a vig. Without going too deep into hypothetical situations (with eventual doctors, RB's and un-NK-able people), how is he going to prove himself? Come on, I dare you.
He can claim his kill, then kill. It will prove he's some kind of killer. As long as he kills whoWEsay, he'sOURkiller. Scum that obeys town is essentially town.
Look, this whole controversy over Gamma is being overblown. Believe it or not, it's a good idea to go slowly, analyze everything, and be somewhat forgiving. We want the scum to have as many opportunities each day to slip. Gamma's already "slipped," so we've established him as our backup lynch for the day, I think.
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Dear Milk:
Let's talk. I know we've been distant these past few days, but I feel a budding friendship here.
Shall we?
Knowing what it means doesn't mean his motive wasn't it. Trying to blind us with science? Try again.My Milked Eek wrote:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1366683Wall-E wrote:How do you know that his motive for attacking me wasn't OMGUS?
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus
Simple. I know what omgus means.
You are disapproving of me because YOU said my supposition was a supposition? Congratulations, you've broken my brain.Milk wrote:And after I typed this and while rereading the preview, I saw your little trap; I don't know his true motive. Thanks for that. +1 for Wall-E.
But seriously, is it omgus when a person votes for another when the other voted for the first one one or two pages ago? And while using valid reasons? You are twisting Nekka's vote and the basis of it so much that it isn't funny anymore.
In this case, I think it was. I noticed you ignored my hypothetical while instituting several of your own. That's hypocrisy.
Do you think he would have said what he did had I never typed his name? I vote no, my gut does too, and so I dub it OMGUS. You can kick and scream all day, not changing my mind.
He voted for you because ofWall-E wrote:You seem REALLY sure of yourself. I understand if you were just pointing out that ostensibly he did provide reasons for his attacks, but I wonder if he would have attacked me AT ALL if I'd lurked instead of pointing out his bad logic? Hmm.
Where did you point out his bad logic? Why are trying to push for omgus here?"What made you come to your conclusion that you like Gamma? Surely after his -3 and vig claim in the first 2 pages you wouldn't like his play and be quite suspicious. Please elaborate on your reasoning."
He doesn't like me because I took the opposite stance from him on Gamma's claim. Voting me without saying why what I did is scummy is scummy, because it's stupid. Stupid logic, based on feelings of OMGUS and not sound thinking. QED: OMGUS.
So to keep your poor widdle bwain from asploding we should kill him.
Where's the involvement of other power roles? Doctors? Roleblockers? The possibility of the victims of the vig and the scum being the same? The scum not sending in a kill? Why is he still alive on D2? Why wasn't he roleblocked? Etc... Etc... (all hypothetical)Wall-E wrote:He can claim his kill, then kill. It will prove he's some kind of killer. As long as he kills whoWEsay, he'sOURkiller. Scum that obeys town is essentially town.
Uh, no.
I've proved nothing. I'm supposing. That's how we play this game!Prove to me he's not an sk. Or a mafia. All you did prove was that he can kill during the night. I don't want scum obeying us, I want scum to die.
You're the one complicating things for no reason.Let's assume he kills for us. Questions arising: Why wasn't the victim he claimed to kill, killed? He claims a doc or rb came into effect or w/e.
See how many unanswered/unanswerable questions pop up?
...You know what? You're right, let's kill the provable and controllable killer because there's probably a doc.
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It's funny how it took the town majority this long to get to the same place I've been pointing at since page 2.
So, we are not killing Gamma. Everyone get your votes onto ANYONE else. Yes, even me. Unlike Gamma I won't claim until L-1, so be fearless and attack!
Gamma, if you step out of line in my esteem I will drive for your lynch SO FAST your HEAD will FALL OFF and spontaneously IGNITE.
That's all settled, I'd like to call something to the town's attention. I am voting for corporate. If you check my previous post you can see why. I'd like to hear more opinions on corporate. Vote him or tell me why I'm being dumb, please![url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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Uh oh, I'm clearly scum for not kneejerk lynching the claimed vig.
I'll come back when people stop repeating things I've already addressed. I see nothing new here aside from YET MORE SPECULATION ON WHO IS BUDDIES WITH WHOM WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL which is totally retarded.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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Name one and I will fucking quote you where I already addressed it.WhereIsTony wrote:
failure to address points noted.Wall-E wrote:Uh oh, I'm clearly scum for not kneejerk lynching the claimed vig.
I'll come back when people stop repeating things I've already addressed. I see nothing new here aside from YET MORE SPECULATION ON WHO IS BUDDIES WITH WHOM WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL which is totally retarded.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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No.My Milked Eek wrote:1) You're not scum for not kneejerk lynching the scum. You're lying, insinuating stuff that is not there and you believe a claim without any reason to believe him, while there are reasons he could not be a vig, but an sk.
2) I believe you still haven't answered;
- the question of why you directly believe gamma without any doubt.
Already answered that.
- my request of replying to the sk theory
You can't force me to join you in shitty conjecture.
- the request of how a dead townie can prove gamma is a vig
It will prove he's a killer. That's what I said.
- how on earth Gamma can prove anything without being killed in the process
He can't, except that he's a killer. And if, as Tony pointed out, the mafia "block" his night kill, we know who the scum are, so WHY KILL GAMMA?
3) "YET MORE SPECULATION ON WHO IS BUDDIES WITH WHOM WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL"
So, proving and providing evidence only applies to other players. Wall-E can assume all he wants.Wall-E wrote:I've proved nothing. I'm supposing. That's how we play this game!
No.
What I said was DO NOT CONJECTURE ON WHO IS SCUM PARTNERS WITH WHOM BEFORE WE FIND OUR FIRST SCUM.
If you choose to do that, I will continue to tell you to shut the hell up.
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in most games mafia have a blocker,
Really? Hm. Can you provide some evidence? Show me three games where the mafia had a blocker.
Any three.
I will show you two for every one of yours that don't without breaking a sweat.
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I've already addressed this, too.WhereIsTony wrote:NEver really explained why you are such a fan. It does however make snse if you are Scum, and are hoping that when and if Gamma buys it you can go "see i told you". Only scum would be so SURE another player is town.
I don't understand this and whatever it is, it's probably stupid. Or you're a mafia blocker (or know who is).jumps on
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So now you're voting me for lurking when I'm not.corporate wrote:unvote vote wall e[b/]
i call you out and you give yourself a nice way out by saying youll come back when people stop repeating things I've already addressed. nice.
that sounds like youre opening a door for yourself to sit in the back seat and possibly lurk for a minute untill the heat comes off of you.
i dont like this.
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Milk said: - my request of replying to the sk theory
I said: You can't force me to join you in shitty conjecture.
Milk said: I didn't say join. I asked for your opinion on the case and suggestions. Surely, it can't be that hard to do?
I said: Ok: Here's my opinion: Your idea is dumb conjecture. I suggest you start scumhunting.
Milk said: Why is it wrong to assume a mafia RB? Why are you trying to push around the need for evidence. No set-up is equal to another. Trying to prove this game does not have a RoleBlocker by another game is a very empty point.
I said: We're saying the same thing. Tony's language made it clear he believes there is a blocker for NO REASON. If he'd said "Kill the vig" rather than block I wouldn't have a problem. Are you playing dumb? I'm not trying to prove there is no blocker, I'm calling Tony out as scum.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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I agree with your points 100%!!
I'm just wondering where blocker suddenly joined the terminology in this game.
It started with you.
Relax! I'm not going to switch my vote from corporate's scumbutt.
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I'm reconsidering...Ok, assuming there is an RB, leading this from the "slip up of tony" (lol), do you still stand by your plan of leading the sk/vig?
I would like to lynch him if we the town are not going to control his kills...
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If anything I've amplified my attacks against corporate. That's the second time he's tried to call me out for something on false grounds.
The first time, he claimed I was setting myself up to lurk.
If I suspected someone of this I'd wait for them to ACTUALLY LURK first.
The second time is this whole "backed down" angle, which is utter crap.
Me too.My Milked Eek wrote:
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Really? He's building a case on you (he claims) as we speak! Why are you pushing this garbage around? It makes me feel you're trying to look dumb or too scummy to be scum.corporate wrote:
after this your posting eased up.corporate wrote:atlas, i know our objective is to find scum, but it feels like you jump on every little thing. maybe im over reacting but it just seems like youre pickyness comes across as over compensating.
maybe im just naive and believe too many people. you could just be a overly helpful townie. but i dunno....
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You have zero case against me.Budja wrote:OK, my 2 cents.
Wall-E and corporate are clearly the most suspicious (aside from gamma).
I know I am repeating the general opinion of the town here but these are my views and I will explain them
Provably wrong.Budja wrote:First, Wall-E's blatent refusal to listen to anyone elses ideas
You have not been reading my posts. I have said exactly why, but I'll REPEAT myself now.Budja wrote:and disregarding MME's serial killer theory without real reason
Setup conjecture, especially assumptions with NO precident, are a distraction the scum use to avoid lurking.
Stop giving them room to do so.
I've also addressed this, but I don't care to keep my friends awake typing an angry rejoinder, plus it's hard to fake, so if you feel I'm lying, I'll quote myself. Maybe.Budja wrote:makes him scummy in my book. All of his replys are basically attacks or invalid defence. Why can't the mafia have a roleblocker? , why can't Gamma be a SK?, your posts fails to explain this and simply denounced it without any logic.
Right. I called mad attention to myself so I could throw it all on you. Or maybe you'd like to defend against my specific attacks rather than imagining ones.corporate wrote:its convienent that when the attention was on wall e, you guys immediatley threw it onto me.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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If you ever feel I'm lying, take on me, buster. I live to prove myself correct and others wrong!
On Provably Wrong: I DID change my stance on something after some well-reasoned posts about what Gamma should do (now that he's claimed), posts made by some people who are awesome.
QED: The assertion that I've been intractable is false.
I prefer infallable, anyhow.
I misremember who posted the point that made me hop that particular fence, but since people seem to be staring blankly at my posts (or simply are not reading them), I doubt they'll be much offended if I can't be bothered to look up who. After all, I HAVE been reading. (Names can get fuzzy, but I'm on corporate like crazy glue atm.)
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Budja wrote:Wall-E and corporate are clearly the most suspicious (aside from gamma).
Ok, so that's wrong, we've established.Budja wrote:First, Wall-E's blatent refusal to listen to anyone elses ideas
I did list a reason. Twice. I'm really proud of one of the posts in which I did it. See if you can guess which one. Seriously, try to guess!Budja wrote:and disregarding MME's serial killer theory without real reason makes him scummy in my book.
Hypocrisy here!Budja wrote:All of his replys are basically attacks or invalid defence.
I think what you were trying to say in post 194 was "Citation needed!"
Well, Citation needed here. What defense that I have given was invalid and why?
Budja wrote:Why can't the mafia have a roleblocker? , why can't Gamma be a SK?, your posts fails to explain this and simply denounced it without any logic.
Fos Wall-EI'm not going to say for a fourth time that[/i] I have listed my reasons already. Look them up yourself. I will continue to give this response. I don't feel anyone here is a child or mentally handicapped. I won't be the crutch holding up this town, nor would I allow anyone to be, for the wood might be rotten and that's a bad support plan.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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EBWOP:I'm not going to say for a fourth time thatI have listed my reasons already. Look them up yourself. I will continue to give this response. I don't feel anyone here is a child or mentally handicapped. I won't be the crutch holding up this town, nor would I allow anyone to be, for the wood might be rotten and that's a bad support plan.
That's all of your case on me, Bud, as far as I can find.
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You picked the absolute worst example of me proving myself right on this issue. I addressed it two other times, and both times I fully explained my point of view. I'm not going to vote anyone for disagreeing (provided they tell me why), necessarily, but I do feel I'm right.
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Gamma - (1) jerseygoomba
jerseygoomba - (2) Tolmides, Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0) Gamma
Nekka-Lucifer - (1) zachattack
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Jordan gets 1,000,000 town points for agreeing with me in his own words. It shows he isn't just parroting my points.JordanA24 wrote:
There are tons of setups that'll feature those roles, in particular the options with single roles. It's likely that we'll end up with an equal amount of checks in each of the similar (singular and "with roleblocker" options) and using other setups to try and find out what's in this setup is a very poor and ineffective strategy anyway, every mod is different, and this setup easily go against the general trend anyway. Allowing the trends shown in other games to try and judge what to do in this one is generally a dangerous road we should steer clear of, in case this game is very different, it's much simpler and effective to just use our brains and logic to find out who is scum instead.Gamma wrote:
How so? I'm interested in MME's probabilities.JordanA24 wrote:
This just screams of pointless and "lets distract the town away from the current subject".Gamma wrote:
While we're at it, here's a open challenge to the denizens of Musical Mafia: find as many setups as you can that feature:My Milked Eek wrote:I'd still like to hear a real explanation from Wall-E of why thinking an sk is in this game sucks.
Setup conjecture? Really, is that your only refute?
Please answer to all the points in the sk probability case. You not wanting, and plain out refusing, to answer to the case in its details, makes you very suspicious.
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Oh, right here:JordanA24 wrote:
Where have you said something similar to that?Wall-E wrote:
Jordan gets 1,000,000 town points for agreeing with me in his own words. It shows he isn't just parroting my points.JordanA24 wrote:
There are tons of setups that'll feature those roles, in particular the options with single roles. It's likely that we'll end up with an equal amount of checks in each of the similar (singular and "with roleblocker" options) and using other setups to try and find out what's in this setup is a very poor and ineffective strategy anyway, every mod is different, and this setup easily go against the general trend anyway. Allowing the trends shown in other games to try and judge what to do in this one is generally a dangerous road we should steer clear of, in case this game is very different, it's much simpler and effective to just use our brains and logic to find out who is scum instead.Gamma wrote:
How so? I'm interested in MME's probabilities.JordanA24 wrote:
This just screams of pointless and "lets distract the town away from the current subject".Gamma wrote:
While we're at it, here's a open challenge to the denizens of Musical Mafia: find as many setups as you can that feature:My Milked Eek wrote:I'd still like to hear a real explanation from Wall-E of why thinking an sk is in this game sucks.
Setup conjecture? Really, is that your only refute?
Please answer to all the points in the sk probability case. You not wanting, and plain out refusing, to answer to the case in its details, makes you very suspicious.
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Go Jordan!
bolding added for emphasisWall-E wrote:
No.My Milked Eek wrote:1) You're not scum for not kneejerk lynching the scum. You're lying, insinuating stuff that is not there and you believe a claim without any reason to believe him, while there are reasons he could not be a vig, but an sk.
2) I believe you still haven't answered;
- the question of why you directly believe gamma without any doubt.
Already answered that.
- my request of replying to the sk theory
You can't force me to join you in shitty conjecture.
- the request of how a dead townie can prove gamma is a vig
It will prove he's a killer. That's what I said.
- how on earth Gamma can prove anything without being killed in the process
He can't, except that he's a killer. And if, as Tony pointed out, the mafia "block" his night kill, we know who the scum are, so WHY KILL GAMMA?
3) "YET MORE SPECULATION ON WHO IS BUDDIES WITH WHOM WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL"
So, proving and providing evidence only applies to other players. Wall-E can assume all he wants.Wall-E wrote:I've proved nothing. I'm supposing. That's how we play this game!
No.
What I said wasDO NOT CONJECTURE ON WHO IS SCUM PARTNERS WITH WHOM BEFORE WE FIND OUR FIRST SCUM
If you choose to do that, I will continue to tell you to shut the hell up.
Clearer?
No, I was making the point that our situation is, if anything, labored to rest within the other end of the scale from which side our point of departure on the issue existed. Translation: You guys were saying it was probable enough to warrant discussion. I was saying no. Can we agree to disagree?In fact, you've tried a similar sort of trick to try to prove your points:
See, you were trying to use other games to try to influence this one too.Wall-E wrote:in most games mafia have a blocker,
Really? Hm. Can you provide some evidence? Show me three games where the mafia had a blocker.
Any three.
I will show you two for every one of yours that don't without breaking a sweat.
Here is hoping you will continue to discuss this with me rather than rushing to vote like the desperate-to-look-scumhunty-Budja.
You never answered my question, Nekka-Lucifer: My isolation post 8 has a question that you have not addressed yet. Can you help me with that? I see you avoided answering the one in my isolation 9 as well. Thanks in advance for obliging.
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Top two: corporate and nekka
I'm going with
Vote: Nekka-Lucifer
for being lucifer
and wow i might get my way 100% this day
no pressure right
Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (0)
corporate - (0)
Gamma - (1) jerseygoomba
jerseygoomba - (2) Tolmides, Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0) Gamma
Nekka-Lucifer - (2) zachattack, Wall-E
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (5) Nekka-Lucifer, My Milked Eek, corporate, WhereIsTony, Budja
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zachattack - (0)
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Did you see all of MY questions for Nekka? I hope he answers those as well before I am lynched.zachattack wrote:Can we not lynch Wall-E just yet? He's at L-2, we haven't really discussed who Gamma should kill tonight, I think corporate is more suspicious then Wall-E, and think if those are our top two suspects corporate should be lynched and Wall-E nightkilled. I'm not changing my vote until Nekka gets here, I really want to see him answer my question, and I suggest if everyone is so insistent on getting rid of Wall-E at least wait for Nekka to get here.
Did you see all of MY questions for Nekka? I hope he answers those as well before I am lynched.zachattack wrote:Can we not lynch Wall-E just yet? He's at L-2, we haven't really discussed who Gamma should kill tonight, I think corporate is more suspicious then Wall-E, and think if those are our top two suspects corporate should be lynched and Wall-E nightkilled. I'm not changing my vote until Nekka gets here, I really want to see him answer my question, and I suggest if everyone is so insistent on getting rid of Wall-E at least wait for Nekka to get here.
All your posts seems to do is occasionally state an idea, refuse to listen to any alternatives and then attack the people who point this out.
Well, it seems we're both biased against each other. I wonder what it was that I said that started this line of questioning, Brudja. Can you enlighten me?[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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Dear Nekka-Lucifer:
Wall-E wrote:In your post 60, Nekka, you say that you think Milk is just parroting what everyone else has already said. Can you show a quoted example of each thing Milk said followed by an example of someone else saying it previously?Wall-E wrote:Nekka-Lucifer wrote:
What OMGUS attack?Wall-E wrote:Nekka-Lucifer's OMGUS attack is noted.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:UnvoteandVote: Wally
That's not a question. It's bad grammar. If you're wondering why I don't find Gamma's claim suspicious, it's because his wagon was suspicious. He acted quite appropriately, in my opinion, in the face of a wagon on him for his random vote (wtf people?). His claim is provable, and if he ever crosses my scumdar it will be a snap to get the momentum to lynch him.Nekka wrote:I was wondering why you're on Gamma's side and not find him suspicious?
Nope. Avoided would be if I was asked a question and didn't answer. You seem eager to spread blame and suspicion. I've noticed you called four people scum since the game began.Nekka wrote:I want some reasoning behind it and I feel you avoided this.Are we to assume you're A) really good at this game or B) to be largely ignored?Can you answer the bolded questions?[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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Budja wrote:@Wall-E. I didn't start attacking you, you were already been attacked by MME and others. Look at posts 190 for my initial suspicions and your post at 193 (and most after too) seem to follow this.
Budja's post 190 wrote:OK, my 2 cents.
Wall-E and corporate are clearly the most suspicious (aside from gamma).
I know I am repeating the general opinion of the town here but these are my views and I will explain them
First, Wall-E's blatent refusal to listen to anyone elses ideas and disregarding MME's serial killer theory without real reason makes him scummy in my book. All of his replys are basically attacks or invalid defence. Why can't the mafia have a roleblocker? , why can't Gamma be a SK?, your posts fails to explain this and simply denounced it without any logic.
Fos Wall-E
But corporate seems to be following Nekka lead with the dodgy explanations, I could forgive the early vote for Atlas, but even your attacks on Wall-E (who is scummy ) are scummy, devoid of any valid/likely explanations. You are either scum or a very paranoid townie and I doubt the latter.
vote corporate
I don't understand. What about these two posts? Quote this post and edit it to illustrate, please.Wall-E's post 193 wrote:
You have zero case against me.Budja wrote:OK, my 2 cents.
Wall-E and corporate are clearly the most suspicious (aside from gamma).
I know I am repeating the general opinion of the town here but these are my views and I will explain them
Provably wrong.Budja wrote:First, Wall-E's blatent refusal to listen to anyone elses ideas
You have not been reading my posts. I have said exactly why, but I'll REPEAT myself now.Budja wrote:and disregarding MME's serial killer theory without real reason
Setup conjecture, especially assumptions with NO precident, are a distraction the scum use to avoid lurking.
Stop giving them room to do so.
I've also addressed this, but I don't care to keep my friends awake typing an angry rejoinder, plus it's hard to fake, so if you feel I'm lying, I'll quote myself. Maybe.Budja wrote:makes him scummy in my book. All of his replys are basically attacks or invalid defence. Why can't the mafia have a roleblocker? , why can't Gamma be a SK?, your posts fails to explain this and simply denounced it without any logic.
Right. I called mad attention to myself so I could throw it all on you. Or maybe you'd like to defend against my specific attacks rather than imagining ones.corporate wrote:its convienent that when the attention was on wall e, you guys immediatley threw it onto me.
It's either a tell or it's not.Budja wrote:This attack on Nekka seems like a distraction but I am still interested in Nekka's response as he did seem scummy.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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Because one tiny part of my case is supposition I'm scum?jerseygoomba wrote:
Umm...I don't exactly feel comfortable with making life or death decisions based solely on guts. I actually prefer some logic go behind things. If that is truly your answer Wall-E, I have to say the band might be better without you. I don't want to bring you to L-1 until we hear from Nekka, so I will refrain for now.Wall-E wrote:
Guts.zachattack wrote:Wall-E, what makes you think Nekka is scummier than corporate?
Do you know what WIFOM means?
Everything we do in mafia is subject to WIFOM. I choose to believe the more obvious of two minor aspects of my positions on things that are happening and I'm scum for it?
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Of course Gamma's claim will have merit. If he claims a kill who's flavor was being stabbed, for example, Gamma's an SK. If he doesn't, we might get a counter-claim from the real vig (since everyone seems so sure he's lying.)
And for the last time, no, I will not help you conjecture over setup. You saying my counter-point is conjecture is 100% accurate! I was giving an example of why setup conjecture is STUPID!
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Why, in the first part of this post, do you ask "Should we lynch Wall-E today?"JordanA24 wrote:Wall-E, your behaviour is ridiculous... calm down, stop being sarcy, stop insulting every other player and PLAY THE DAMN GAME! It would help your case a lot.
Should we choose to lynch Wall-E today, who does everyone think we should get Gamma to NK tonight? Personally I'm torn between corporate and jerseygoomba, I suspect jersey for mindlessly putting Wall-E at -1 at the top of this page, following Budja in voting for Gamma for exactly the same reasoning (so bandwagoning on an easy target who can be of a lot of use to the town) and generally not bringing anything new to the thread. He's attempting to stay under the radar by the looks of it, which looks pretty scummy.
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I also notice you posted your top two. Why is the possibility of my lynch just as weighty in your mind as TWO other people you suspect are scum more than me, to the extent that the opinion of the general town consensus will convince you to forget BOTH of them and instead vote for me, a third choice?[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)-
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This post redeems you in my eyes quite a bit, but where did I say I would claim?jerseygoomba wrote:Guys, do you SERIOUSLY think you have any "control" over Gamma? Especially when there is no concrete ways of validating who killed who? We don't even know if Gamma's claim is true. I think we are deluding ourselves if we think we can point Gamma like a gun and "shoot" people. That being said, I'm not convinced Gamma is scum, which is why I unvoted him.
As for my vote on Wall-E, I have thought he was scum for awhile, and he put out the challenge in post 130. I wanted to see if he would actually claim like he said in his post and I found it interesting that he didn't. (Not suspicious, just interesting).
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