Oops, forgot to
unvote
since my predecessor's vote is still here. Continuing my reread.
Well, actually, first I'll respond to a few things that have happened recently.
@Budja: I know Gamma hasn't been very pro-town. He's #2 on my "abrasive" list just below Wall-E, who is acting like a complete and utter clown, and an angry clown at that. I suppose he probably will have no choice but to follow our lead even if he is the SK. But we can still use him as a vig if he will follow us. If it becomes clear he is a SK, we will of course lynch him before he becomes a real threat. At this point if he is an SK, he has very little chance of winning since he is forced to follow us or get lynched, and we all have our eye on him anyway. It might raise a few eyebrows, but I have no problem using Gamma for the benefit of the town no matter whether he's pro-town or not.
@WhereIsTony: It is a legitimate concern that one person's alignment may reveal another person's alignment, thus changing the ideal NK target. Why not tell Gamma before the day ends that if the lynch target flips town, to change your choice to another NK target? It may sound confusing when I explain it, but I don't think it would actually be that confusing. It might be kind of like this:
NK Mr. Y if Ms. X (lynch target) flips scum
NK Mr. Z if Ms. X (lynch target) flips town
@Tolmides: Wall-E always seems to radiate scumminess, but I have never seen him so blindly aggressive before. Usually he seems more misguided and flip-floppy than annoying and tunnel-visioned.
OK, now back to the reread.
Backing up a bit: Wall-E accuses Nekka-Lucifer of "follow-the-wagon opportunism" in Post 24 when he confirms his vote on Gamma, citing that Gamma's vote on Atlas was a bit suspicious. If anyone reeked of "follow-the-wagon opportunism", it was Gamma for putting the 4th vote on Atlas. The fact that Wall-E seems to have a double standard on that concerns me. Especially since Nekka was the first to put a non-random vote on Gamma. Again, though, that happened in a phase of the game in which some reaching is necessary. Plus, I guess it would be difficult for Gamma to pull off his claim if he were part of the mafia, so I don't see Wall-E/Gamma scumbuddies. Still, Wall-E's accusation seems baseless, and I don't like that.
In general, as I read jerseygoomba's posts, I'm getting a general feeling of him constantly trying to please the town. Even his accusations give off a feeling of trying to convince others that he is town. Many of his posts are pure defense with no added content whatsoever. He unvotes Gamma when it becomes unpopular. And look at this:
jerseygoomba in isolation post 11 wrote:Since the town seems so dead set on keeping Gamma around tonight, I will
unvote Gamma
But I still do not see how his kill can be "proven".
jerseygoomba in isolation post 16 wrote:Guys, do you SERIOUSLY think you have any "control" over Gamma? Especially when there is no concrete ways of validating who killed who? We don't even know if Gamma's claim is true. I think we are deluding ourselves if we think we can point Gamma like a gun and "shoot" people. That being said, I'm not convinced Gamma is scum, which is why I unvoted him.
Obviously something doesn't add up here. First jersey unvoted Gamma because he thought that a Gamma vote was pointless since the town was largely against lynching Gamma. Later he claims the reason he unvoted was because he was not convinced that Gamma was scum. I'm sure jerseygoomba would say that I am nitpicking, and that the reason he unvoted involved a little bit of both rationales. I would beg to differ. I see this as evidence that jerseygoomba decides to vote or unvote and
then
decides why. And that, my friends, would mean that his cases are contrived. And that, my friends, would mean that he is scum.
Moving on. I don't see any problem with WhereIsTony's Mafia RB'er assumption. It can only be beneficial to the town to assume a Mafia Roleblocker exists in the game. Sure, it can be a scumslip to take information that the town doesn't know for granted. But it is good for the town to prepare for the worst. It would be a mistake not to consider the possibility of (a) non-vanilla mafia member(s), and the RB'er is the most basic and the most common.
In post 273, Tolmides implies that we will know if there is an RB'er after N1. This is not necessarily true. Even though the town is voting on who to NK, we could still be wrong. If our majority NK target is town, I'm sure the Mafia RB'er, if there is one, will sit back and twiddle his thumbs as another townie dies. This leads to some intriguing thoughts on whether or not we can tell if an RB'ed Gamma means that Gamma's target=scum, but I won't dive that deeply into WIFOM just now. Just suffice it to say that we really may not know whether or not there is a Mafia RB'er by tomorrow.
If anyone is dissatisfied with Nekka's Role PM fiasco, I will say that I am indeed a clarinet player. I win when all the brass instruments are kicked out of the band. There is nothing about winning when the woodwinds win in my role PM. At risk of fulfilling Wall-E's prophecy, I must say that I can't tell you why Nekka thought that there was something like that in his role PM. All I can offer is that "You win when the woodwinds win" has a nice ring to it. Woodwinds win. Woodwinds win. OK, that was a joke, but honestly, that's all I can and will say about that.
K, to continue. You may have noticed I failed to mention corporate and zachattack very much. That's because I'm getting a very neutral read on them. If you've played with me before, you should know that I hate neutral reads. So, tomorrow I want to look at them a little more, but I will focus on my scum reads for now. Here is my scumlist and my final decision.
Town reads (strongest to weakest):
Me!
MyMilkedEek
Atlas
Tolmides
WhereIsTony
JordanA24
Neutral reads:
corporate
zachattack
Gamma
Wall-E
Scum reads (strongest to weakest):
jerseygoomba
Budja
Why did Wall-E land himself in my neutral column? Good question. I put him in the scum section at first, but then I thought about how I have a stronger scum read on jerseygoomba and Budja than on Wall-E, who could easily be obnoxious and grossly misguided town, and jerseygoomba and Budja are either bussing him hard or they are not scumbuddies. Wall-E's tipping toward my scum section, but I hesitate to fill up a scumlist with people who are not consistent with each other. My opinion of Wall-E will change drastically if one of these two flip town, or vice versa. It may be like voting for a third party candidate at this point, but I can't justify revoting Wall-E, no matter how good it might feel.
Vote: jerseygoomba
NK: jerseygoomba
because I'm pretty sure Wall-E will get lynched, not jerseygoomba. In the remote case that jerseygoomba DOES get lynched, I will support a
NK: Budja
.
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
"Time forks endlessly toward innumerable futures. In one of them I am your enemy." —Jorge Luis Borges
, to be honest I didn't know. I guess I should have counted.