To answer your question, I didn't exist yet because I had not yet begun to think.
Your turn.
Where did you get the questions from, and how did you determine which question to ask which player?
The answers would probably only become standardized if you used the question set on the same group of people. Most players are too lazy to check history to see if you'd used the questions before and how they were answered before.Thesp wrote: I made up my questions, and arbitrarily chose players. I may come up with a standardized list of questions for players and arbitrarily assign those questions to players, but I fear then answers may become standardized, which would be unhelpful for detecting idiosyncracies, etc., it's sort of a vicious cycle.
Houston as well. Dallas is evil.Thesp wrote:What part of Texas are you from? (I grew up in Houston, and spent three excellent years in Dallas.)
Random bandwagons are good for adding pressure. Adding pressure is good to ferret out info.Wickedestjr wrote:Vote: Papa Zito
I don't think we should have a random bandwagon going on this early in the game.
If you give me a good reason to unvote then I will, but I don't have any better reasons to vote for anyone.
Random voting at the start of the game (often called the "Random Voting Stage" or RVS for short) is the standard method to generate those clues (typically called "tells" around here) when there's nothing else to go on. The theory is to randomly vote people to generate reactions and then analyze those reactions to see if anything sticks out. The overall purpose is to get discussion going.AGar wrote:Interesting. Random voting... sooo strange.
I'm used to playing with clues to find out who mafia (scum) are. So much for my clue analysis.
So you've basically claimed scum here. Any reason we shouldn't string you up now?Boxman wrote:If I remember correctly, it's this "Thesp" fellow.Thesp wrote:Boxman, who's your scumbuddy?
You're doing better than I am, then. I'm a tad frustrated that I haven't gotten any real reads yet. Hence, random.Thesp wrote:Why does it have to be random? (From some responses, I've already garnered at least one person whom I think is more likely to be town than scum. I suspect with a couple more questions, I'll get some more negative readings.) On that note...Papa Zito wrote:I'm starting to think we'll need a random bandwagon to get anywhere.
It's a tool. Tools are useful.Thesp wrote:How useful do you think a random bandwagon is?Papa Zito wrote:Random bandwagons are good for adding pressure. Adding pressure is good to ferret out info.
...getting the game moving?Darkstrike_11 wrote:what would that achieve?Papa Zito wrote:We could all massclaim instead? lulz I'm open to whatever gets this game moving.
ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".MiteyMouse wrote:Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.
I've only finished one. I'm dead in three other games that are ongoing at the moment.MiteyMouse wrote:I think that it would be interesting to find out how many games (if any) we have all played. Could everyone please answer that?
No, not implying coaching. Coaching would be more along the lines of "Well, if Boxman were scum, he would probably say something like x here." What you did is provide a defense for him.MiteyMouse wrote:Not to get all meta here but, you of all people know that I'm not fond of in thread coaching...that is what you are implying, is it not? And if I was to coach in thread, it would be far more subtle...again, you know this!Papa Zito wrote:ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".MiteyMouse wrote:Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.
Sure, sure, joke post. Sigh.Boxman wrote:Zito, that was a joke post. Thesp asked me a question and I saw an excellent opportunity for a little joke. That's all.
Heck, I thought it was a pretty obvious joke, considering Thesp's question left no room for menotto be Mafia...
1. Spiders are cool. You should put up a book or something to give them some privacy. They probably get more action than you because you have more refined tastes. Quality over quantity right? Right? No? Oh.Darkstrike_11 wrote:I would love the game to be faster as well. [1]I'd love to be on here while people constantly post to distract me from the spiders procreating on top of my desk. Ewww...Papa Zito wrote:Anyway, I'm trying to convey that I'm unhappy with our current pace, and open to whatever will get us to a faster clip.
However, I wouldn't want to do something which would ruin the game. [2]What I'm trying to say is that patience is a virtue, and we shouldn't be quick to do something stupid or mislynch just to move the game along. Unless you want to?
First, arguing with Mitey sucks.MiteyMouse wrote:I think that they both have value. A player defending themselves...that is a big part of the game and if someone didn't defend themselves, well then, they're not really playing are they?Papa Zito wrote: In your opinion, which is more valuable:
- A player defending against an attack directly against him/her; or
- A player defending another player.
A player defending someone else...well, this could be considered buddying (or cuddling as I like to call it) or it could be pointing out something that the accuser did not see.
Both get the players talking and that is always a good thing!
Sure, I know you wouldn't tip your hand. Of course, you'd know that I'd know you wouldn't tip your hand. Then again, I'd know that you'd know that I'd know that....MiteyMouse wrote:Yeah...I don't like fighting with you either my friend...but it's part of the fun of the game!Papa Zito wrote: First, arguing with Mitey sucks.
Second, help me see the value of defending? I'm missing it.
Also, you've hit on one concern, erm, cuddling. (lol) But you missed another, that of an experienced partner defending a less experienced one.
Defending (though I'm not sure that that is what I did here) could help to point out something that the accuser did not see. The joke part of his post seemed pretty obvious... You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?
1. Just to be absolutley clear: A quicker pace = more posts per player per day. It has nothing to do with how fast a lynch occurs. It has everything to do with generating more content. I'm all for using our full 3 weeks, but I'd rather we had 20 pages when we get there than 5.Darkstrike_11 wrote:[1]You weren’t asking for more content, you were asking for a quicker pace to the proceedings. They are different. A quicker pace would help the scum, allowing rapid and ill informed lynches. That we do not like.Papa Zito wrote:That was a hugely scummy statement. I'm asking for more content and you insinuate I'm wanting to mislynch someone.Darkstrike_11 wrote:What I'm trying to say is that patience is a virtue, and we shouldn't be quick to do something stupid or mislynch just to move the game along. Unless you want to?
However I was wrong to insinuate that you wanted to mislynch. [2]I was just saying that you shouldn’t ask for a more rapid pace, you turned it into an attack. Bit defensive aren’t we. The Unless you want to bit was half jokey anyway, I was hardly expecting you to say “Yes please darks I want to lynch a townie!”
[3]And finally, it is NOT a scummy statement. It is a cynical, possibly paranoid statement, as I assumed the worst about you. It was also as you have proved a misinformed statement. However it wasn't scummy per se.
It would probably get the game moving. Though that doesn't seem necessary anymore.tracker wrote:how would this help the game at all?papa wrote:We could all massclaim instead? lulz I'm open to whatever gets this game moving.
1. In a couple cases it resulted in PR counter-claims, which helped the town narrow the field considerably.tracker wrote:1)and what where the results? let me guess, all power roles lynched in the first few nights?papa wrote:I've never been involved in a massclaim before,
1though I've read a couple games where that's happened.
2I've never seen it in a Newbie game. I wonder what would happen.
2)what do you think would happen?
Mitey and I were the scumpair in Newbie 762 (my first game) so it feels almost unnatural. lawl.tracker wrote:why?Papa Zito wrote:First, arguing with Mitey sucks.
Why only interest in Wickedestjr?tracker wrote:how do you figure wicked as scum?thesp wrote:I am enjoying Darkstrike_11's presence in the game. Wickedstjr and Boxman, please don't nightkill him, it would make me sad.
Agreed, I'm much happier now.tracker wrote:i think that the pace is going along nicely
The little thing I did with Mitey earlier is an example of WIFOM.tracker wrote:what's WIFOM? is like a paradox?
MiteyMouse wrote:You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?
(I'm accusing Mitey of using a WIFOM defense here, btw) The idea is I could carry that little "I know that you know that I know that you know that" argument to infinity, rendering it meaningless.Papa Zito wrote:Sure, I know you wouldn't tip your hand. Of course, you'd know that I'd know you wouldn't tip your hand. Then again, I'd know that you'd know that I'd know that....
In my last newbie game I was town and I played really really terribly. (The other two I was NKed the first night and don't count, heh) I'm hoping to turn that around in this one.tracker wrote:i think everyone should post what they want to get out of this game,
i think everyone should post what they hope to get out of this game. i'll go first
all i want to do here is gain experience, and learn how to better my game, and maybe figure out some "tells"
20 was an arbitrary number, but I see your point. And I agree, I doubt we'll need the full 3 weeks. Besides, we wouldn't want you to be sad.Thesp wrote:I appreciate the sentiment, but I will probably cry if it takes us 20 pages to lynch. At the pace we're going, hopefully we won't need the full three weeks. (I strongly believe there's a point of diminishing returns on content.)Papa Zito wrote:1. Just to be absolutley clear: A quicker pace = more posts per player per day. It has nothing to do with how fast a lynch occurs. It has everything to do with generating more content. I'm all for using our full 3 weeks, but I'd rather we had 20 pages when we get there than 5.
I didn't.Boxman wrote:@Papa Zito, why did you think I was serious in my answer to Thesp's question?
Yes.Darkstrike_11 wrote:@Papa Zito any reason for your vote on wicked?
Just a hunch, really.Wickedestjr wrote:@Papa Zito - Even if you are voting me to pressure me, can you still please say why you are voting me.
1. His posts 4 and 5 (read in isolation) rubbed me the wrong way, though I can't quantify why (hence the hunch). His post 12 has helped confirm the hunch. I also don't like that he's not giving opinions on anything, just asking lots of questions.Darkstrike_11 wrote:Papa Zito
[1]How did you get your hunch about wicked? Was it his general posts? his voting patterns? [2]I don't like "hunches" because they base too much on the tone of posts rather than the content and also get the user out of having to explain his vote.
[3]Final question for you, are there any players who you think are definately town?
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt (for some reason) and assume you didn't read 76.Indigo Heron wrote:For this game, I'm experimenting with a new style; unless there is something coming up, or if the circumstances force me to do so, I will only attempt to answer every question that is directed at me.
Currently, this post has me a little irked:
It's just a hunch, but it could be scum wishing the town be over-enthusiastic and mis-lynch someone.Papa Zito wrote:Anyway, I'm trying to convey that I'm unhappy with our current pace, and open to whatever will get us to a faster clip.
Papa Zito wrote:Anyway, I'm trying to convey that I'm unhappy with our current pace, and open to whatever will get us to a faster clip.
Darkstrike_11 wrote:I would love the game to be faster as well. I'd love to be on here while people constantly post to distract me from the spiders procreating on top of my desk. Ewww...
Papa Zito wrote:2. That was a hugely scummy statement. I'm asking for more content and you insinuate I'm wanting to mislynch someone.
Darkstrike_11 wrote:You weren’t asking for more content, you were asking for a quicker pace to the proceedings. They are different. A quicker pace would help the scum, allowing rapid and ill informed lynches. That we do not like.
Papa Zito wrote:1. Just to be absolutley clear: A quicker pace = more posts per player per day. It has nothing to do with how fast a lynch occurs. It has everything to do with generating more content. I'm all for using our full 3 weeks, but I'd rather we had 20 pages when we get there than 5.
Thesp wrote:I appreciate the sentiment, but I will probably cry if it takes us 20 pages to lynch. At the pace we're going, hopefully we won't need the full three weeks. (I strongly believe there's a point of diminishing returns on content.)
Papa Zito wrote:20 was an arbitrary number, but I see your point. And I agree, I doubt we'll need the full 3 weeks. Besides, we wouldn't want you to be sad.
No.Wickedestjr wrote:Well, Papa Zito the main reason why I am not giving many oppinions is because I don't really see tanything to give my opinion about. But I did give you my oppinion on why I thought you seemed scummy and earlier I am pretty sure I gave my opinion on Darkstrike_11 as well. Did you not like these opinions?
Was that it? "I think you could be" is the weakest opinion ever. Oh, and you didn't point out the Darkstrike_11 opinion.Wickedestjr wrote:Umm... This is an opinion isn't it?Wickedestjr wrote: I think you could be mafia trying to figure out who the power roles are.
Also, where has your random bandwagon suggestion been discussed? I do not remember this?
Wickedestjr wrote:Oh, now I see where you responded to my previous vote against you. That still doesn't explain why you suddenly say;
"I doubt we'll need the full 3 weeks."
This doesn't seem like it goes with your post where you were eager to get the game moving.
Papa Zito wrote:1. Just to be absolutley clear: A quicker pace = more posts per player per day. It has nothing to do with how fast a lynch occurs. It has everything to do with generating more content.I'm all for using our full 3 weeks,but I'd rather we had 20 pages when we get there than 5.
There is no contradiction here. You're just flailing.Papa Zito wrote:20 was an arbitrary number, but I see your point.And I agree, I doubt we'll need the full 3 weeks.Besides, we wouldn't want you to be sad.
It isn't.Thesp wrote:I don't find the back and forth between Papa Zito and wickedestjr to be very interesting.
This, however, is.Thesp wrote: I'd much rather lynch AGar.
What changed since Friday?Thesp wrote:Wickedstjr and Boxman, please don't nightkill him, it would make me sad.
This reminds me of those old Sierra games. Or even better, the old command-line ones, like Adventure and Zork. Remember those?Thesp wrote:I wouldn't stipulate to the former, but I do indeed subscribe to the latter.Papa Zito wrote: So Wickedestjr and Boxman are town, and AGar is scum?
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You are in a small room. A TABLE sits squarely in the middle. Upon the table are TWO KEYS. There is an exit to the north and south.
>north
The door is closed.
>open door
The door is locked.
>get key
Which one?
>get a key
Do you mean the BLUE key or the RED key?
>get blue key
You are not close enough.
>walk to key
You can't walk to that.
>walk to table
You are standing next to the table.
>get blue key
Taken.
>open door
The door is locked.
>unlock door
With what?
>unlock door with key
Do you mean the BLUE key or the RED key?
>unlock door with blue key
You aren't close enough.
>walk to door
Do you mean the NORTH door or the SOUTH door?
>walk to north door
You are standing next to the northern door.
>unlock north door
With what?
>unlock north door with blue key
The door is now unlocked.
>north
The door is closed.
>alsdk;rja;sdklf
I'm sorry, I don't recognize 'alsdk;rja;sdklf'
If you're scum, we're screwed. Just sayin.Thesp wrote:Papa Zito wrote:Thesp - Townish read. Problem is I'm completely outclassed here.I'm flattered!Darkstrike_11 wrote:exactly. I don't know what to do with Thesp. Sure I get a townie vibe from him, but he's so experienced that I doubt I would ever get a scummy vibe from him :/
QFTtracker wrote:we need more people to post more, this game is really slow, i was expecting to have to read quite a bit more than i did.
(emphasis mine) Very sly, Mitey. Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?MiteyMouse wrote:He seems to like quick gamesand is a better player than most newbies.
^^ This vote distribution is horrible. And the mod's messing with me on purpose now. XDKhelvaster wrote:And the fifth votecount:
tracker(1): Indigo Heron
Wickedestjr(1): Mitey Mouse
Agar(1): Papa Zito
Popo Zito(1): Wickedstjr
Indigo Heron (1): Darkstrike
The original:Darkstrike_11 wrote:29. does a player by player, says he has nothing on Agar so votes him
I see how this was misinterpreted. "Notta. Zero. Nothing." is AGar's grand sum total contribution to the game. My interpretation of this is that he's lurking scum.Papa Zito wrote:AGar - Notta. Zero. Nothing.
5 posts up.AGar wrote:Papa zito, why did you vote for me, just out of curiosity?
This is just OMGUS.AGar wrote:That said, I am further convinced Papa zito is scum. You didn't wait for an argument, you just said "I'm going to vote for him", in my eyes because it takes the heat off of you. I think I'm finally ready to cast my vote.
Vote: Papa Zito
I'm puzzled by your question, and that it was directed at me. To me your question implies that you think I'm the real cop and you want me to counter to verify this. I can't think of another reason why you'd ask it, and I can't think of a town reason for it either. I wanted to think on it more before I brought it up in the thread tho.Indigo Heron wrote:You imply that I am lying. Normally, a contested hard claim is followed by a counter-claim in the event that the hard claim is in doubt (in my experience, any claim that isn't immediately contested, especially in Newbie games, results in you being lynched, apparently, the pro-town roles can't lay low a little longer and be incognito until it is necessary).Papa Zito wrote:Hmm. This question is puzzling.Indigo Heron wrote:Papa Zito, do you intend to counter-claim me?
All newbie games are F11 setups.Indigo Heron wrote:You know...the moderator has never specified what the format was (whether it was C9, or some other kind). All he just said was the roles (Roleblocker, Goon, Cop, Doctor and Townie). How would you know the scum set-up? Same goes for you, Darkstrike.
F11s have four possible variations:
Since the Mafia know if they are two goons or a goon and a roleblocker, they start the game knowing that two of the four aren't possible.Wiki wrote:It consists of four variations, chosen at random (the name comes from the binary expression of these four options, similar to C9):
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies.
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.
Nope, nothing.tracker wrote:ok, i'm back, give me a moment to read over the thread before i post to much. is there anything anyone wants me to comment on in particular or any questions that need answering? not sure where i left off reading and i wouldn't want to miss anything important .
I had to wiki this when he mentioned it.tracker wrote:stoofer's first law?
Of course, we're not in a C9 game.wiki wrote:In a C9 game, if a pro-town player is lynched on day 1, both scum were probably on the lynch.
I don't recall asking anyone to back me up on it. Even still, I'd say no. If I think someone is a shady character, and I truly think that person should be lynched, wouldn't Itracker wrote:papa - though i agree with you to an extent about agar's scummyness isn't asking people to back you up on it also suspicious?
It's a running gag thing now. I think. lawltracker wrote:also mod in you last vote count i do believe that you spelled papa zito's name wrong,
He's contributed just about the same amount as AGar, so he's high on my list.Wickedestjr wrote:@Papa Zito - How suspicious of boxman are you?
My case on AGar is that he hasn't done a damn thing to help the town, and my belief is that anti-town elements should always be eliminated. His big post earlier is a great example of what scum like to do. He put out a bunch of information, and he analyzed the situation at hand, but did he ever come to a conclusion on Indigo's alignment? No. Has he ever come to a conclusion on anyone's alignment? No, except his OMGUS on me (which he never denied). Has he ever done any scumhunting in an effort to help the town win? No.tracker wrote:papa, could you present your case on agar please?papa wrote:BTW if I'm one of your top suspects, why not post a case on me and see what the rest of the town thinks?
Fixed.Darkstrike_11 wrote:That votecount is wrong, this is what I make the real votecount to be:
Agar(3): Thesp, Papa Ziti, Boxman
Wickedestjr(1): Mitey Mouse
Boxman (1): Darkstrike_11
I just read Box in iso and I think I'm seeing what you're seeing now. I'll post it later, but first -Darkstrike_11 wrote:I'm not hugely set. I think he's the scummiest, but am willing to be changed!
I agree with your big three, although I tend to favour AGar/Boxman as the scum pair.
Yeah, I voted in the image.Darkstrike_11 wrote:Good PBPA, ziti. Enogh to win your vote? Or is agar still more scummy for you?
We make a fantastic vegetarian lasagna.Indigo Heron wrote:@Darkstrike: You don't visit a pasta house simply because it sounds good....
1. You're correct. I shouldn't be doing that either. My bad.MiteyMouse wrote:@Papa...[1]I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, [2]right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.
I saw that too, and I'm not sure what it means either.tracker wrote:hmmm... i just thought of something, this game is starting to split itself into some groups, suspected scum and accusers
under the suspected theirs
Wicked, Mitey, Agar, and Box
under the accusers are
Papa, Dark, Indigo, and Thesp
what to do with this i'm not sure yet