Newbie 792--Mafia Island ~ Mafia win!

[Darkstrike_11]

That votecount is wrong, this is what I make the real votecount to be:

Agar(3): Thesp, Papa Zito, Boxman
Wickedestjr(1): Mitey Mouse
Boxman (1): Darkstrike_11

[Papa Zito]

That votecount is wrong, this is what I make the real votecount to be:

Agar(3): Thesp, Papa Zit

i

, Boxman
Wickedestjr(1): Mitey Mouse
Boxman (1): Darkstrike_11

Fixed.

Hey Dark, are you dead-set on Box over AGar?

Incidentally, I'm liking Indigo a lot more now that he's posting.

Papa Ziti's Big Three

1. AGar/Wickedestjr
2. Boxman/Wickedestjr
3. AGar/Boxman

[Darkstrike_11]

I'm not hugely set. I think he's the scummiest, but am willing to be changed!

I agree with your big three, although I tend to favour AGar/Boxman as the scum pair.

[Papa Zito]

I'm not hugely set. I think he's the scummiest, but am willing to be changed!

I agree with your big three, although I tend to favour AGar/Boxman as the scum pair.

I just read Box in iso and I think I'm seeing what you're seeing now. I'll post it later, but first -

@Thesp: Your thoughts on Box plz?
@Wickedestjr: Your thoughts on AGar plox?
@Mitey: Your thoughts on both, uh, please?

[Thesp]

I haven't forgotten about you all, I'll get something posted tonight.

[Boxman]

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that AGar is the most suspicious at this point. He's lurking a lot, and I don't see any reason to go voting for anyone else.

[Wickedestjr]

I am still unsure about AGar.

@Indigo Heron - I don't understand either of the questions in post 220. Please rephrase them.

[Indigo Heron]

Honestly, your post seems desperate.

He's lurking a lot, and I don't see any reason to go voting for anyone else.

Why don't you see any reason to go voting for someone else?

FoS: Boxman

[Boxman]

Because no one else is really suspicious to me.

You were the only other suspicious person in my eyes, and you turned out to be the cop.

Papa Zito, darkstrike_11, and Thesp have all been useful in some way today.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.

[Indigo Heron]

The problem with the above post is that you did intend to lynch me. You voted for me to make a dusk appointment with the gallows, remember?

You voted for me to get lynched earlier, remember?

I was just explaining how I thought IH's cop role would not help us at all, and that if Indigo Heron starts acting really suspiciously then we should give him a few votes, because we wouldn't have much to lose. But I am all for keeping him in the game another day at least.

You want to lynch me anyway if I act suspiciously, and you're all for keeping me for another day? Just what exactly do you anticipate happening on Day 2? I detect a hint of in-game coaching here.

You've also turned being disengaged into a Zen-like thing when it concerns AGar. You honestly don't have an opinion about AGar?

vote: Wickedestjr

unless he can satisfyingly explain.

[Indigo Heron]

EBWOP: I misquoted the second quote. I didn't write that. It was supposed to be quoted from Wickedestjr.

[Indigo Heron]

Because no one else is really suspicious to me.

You were the only other suspicious person in my eyes, and you turned out to be the cop.

Papa Zito, darkstrike_11, and Thesp have all been useful in some way today.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.

What your wrote here just seems to confirm Darkstrike's case in post #203 that you are a serial bandwagon-eer.

[Thesp]

That said, I am further convinced Papa zito is scum. You didn't wait for an argument, you just said "I'm going to vote for him", in my eyes because it takes the heat off of you. I think I'm finally ready to cast my vote.

Vote: Papa Zito

That's unusual - Papa Zito is fairly low on my "likely to be scum" scale. I'm having a hard time seeing him as scum.

I'm disinclined to think MiteyMouse is town, also - I would be happy to see her lynched.

ok, i'm back, give me a moment to read over the thread before i post to much. is there anything anyone wants me to comment on in particular or any questions that need answering? not sure where i left off reading and i wouldn't want to miss anything important .

Nope, nothing.

Oh wait no Indigo Heron claimed cop.

And AGar is likely scum.

Have at it.

@Indigo Heron - During your inspection tonight, please investigate a player that you think is scummy, or else it would be a waste of time, and it would make you look bad.

As an aside, from a meta-standpoint, I disagree with this approach, and I don't think cops should investigate the scummiest looking people.

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AGar, given the roleclaim and the possibilities that exist, what is the best approach right now?

By the way if Indigo is lying in his claim, and there is an actual cop out there, now would be the time to counter claim Indigo.

I

strongly

disagree with this. I think tomorrow would be the day to ponder it.

where's thesp at?

I do agree with the call for Thesp. Where are our experienced players? Thesp and Mitey, if you can hear us, please come to our aid

I think it's awesome that I hadn't posted for two days by that point, and people are calling for my opinion. I mean that - it's really, really good for everyone to be active in making sure people don't fall by the wayside.

@Thesp: Your thoughts on Box plz?

Middling. I don't mind pressure on him at all.

Unvote: AGar, Vote: MiteyMouse

. More likely to be scum.

[Papa Zito]

Boxman's PBPA!

Brought to you by Papa Ziti's House of Pasta

[mrow]Iso Post # [col]Post Summary [col]Comments http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 87#1696467 [col]

confirm post

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Ok.

1 [col]

Banter

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Yah

2 [col]

Banter

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Rite.

3 [col]

#1 was just a joke!

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Response to my probe about saying Thesp was his partner.

4 [col]

Woe is me

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Some argue that "Why me?" is a scumtell.

5 [col]

Question series; wickedestjr vote; FoS AGar

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Here's where the meat starts. The question series thing is stolen from Thesp. The Wicked vote came three posts after my Wicked vote. The AGar FoS came 9 posts after my AGar FoS. He didn't post between those.

6 [col]

"He's at L-1? Crap!

Unvote

"

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This pinged when I first read it. You should know if the guy you're voting is at L-2 or not. I think this was a gambit to look more townie.

7 [col]

#4 was just pressure

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Then why remove it?

8 [col]

#4 was to get a reaction

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Ditto.

9 [col]

"Easy for you to say NOW."

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Sarcasm at Wicked actually answering the question. Null.

10 [col]

Wickedestjr was random; nobody is scummy yet

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This pinged too. My problem is that too many of you people look like scum to me, yet he has zero suspects? Really? Staying neutral on people is a good way to operate as scum.

11 [col]

I get you Thesp

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Smells like

teen spirit

buddying.

12 [col]

Quiet until "something exciting happens"; FoS Indigo Heron for lurking

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Is still quiet, even after the whole Indigo fiasco. FoS was 6 posts after Dark's vote, for the exact same reason.

13 [col]

votes Indigo Heron

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This is 6 posts after Dark's massive PBPA which announced Indigo as scum.

14 [col]

unvotes Indigo (uncountered cop claim); votes AGar (lurker)

[col]

Unvotes and votes 10 posts after mine for the exact same reasons

15 [col]

"Something like

what

hanging over my head?"

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Response to Indigo probe.

16 [col]

AGar is most suspicious because he's a lurker

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Hypocritical much?

17 [col]

No one else is suspicious other than the cop; PZ, dark and Thesp have been "useful"; Wick, tracker and Mitey haven't been suspicious

[col]

Here he names the three people he's been following. P.S. if Box is lynched and flips scum then look very very carefully at the three he names as "not suspicious".

[Indigo Heron]

Awesome post, and much better structured than Dark's.

[Darkstrike_11]

*huff* just cos I can't do tables

nah I joke. Very illuminating Papa Ziti, I like the sound of your pasta house.

For me the last minute unvote was the biggest scumtell for me. I'm loathe to point out that he should have known the vote count since I had the wrong vote count at the time However it seems like he hadn't seen the earlier pressure that he was adding to on wicked's vote, he didn't know how many votes there were already on him, but voted him anyway. He tried to claim that the vote was random afterwards, but it seems like he was following the town and trying to nab a cheeky lynch at that point.

Also the "following thing".

Good PBPA, ziti. Enogh to win your vote? Or is agar still more scummy for you?

Indigo, as the cop you work with evidence. Who is the scummiest in your books?

[Papa Zito]

Good PBPA, ziti. Enogh to win your vote? Or is agar still more scummy for you?

Yeah, I voted in the image.

I'm seeing Box > AGar at the moment. They both have done nil to help the town but Box's follow-the-leader and his oops vote make him more scummy in my eyes.

1. Boxman
2. AGar
3. Wickedestjr
4. MiteyMouse

Like I said, too many suspects. But I'd really like to see Box lynched today.

[Darkstrike_11]

Good PBPA, ziti. Enogh to win your vote? Or is agar still more scummy for you?

Yeah, I voted in the image.

I'm seeing Box > AGar at the moment. They both have done nil to help the town but Box's follow-the-leader and his oops vote make him more scummy in my eyes.

1. Boxman
2. AGar
3. Wickedestjr
4. MiteyMouse

Like I said, too many suspects. But I'd really like to see Box lynched today.

I like this post. I totally agree. Also I cant see the image, it turns up as a red cross, but I'm sure its funny. I agre with your 4 scum as well.

I'd like Agar and Wicked's views on Boxman as soon as possible please!

[Papa Zito]

You can't see the image? Stupid Google.

I did some stuff, hopefully that fixes it.

I'd like Agar and Wicked's views on Boxman as soon as possible please!

Ditto. I'd like Mitey's opinion on them too.

[MiteyMouse]

Well IH...You asked about your anti-Town behaviour. I have thought that your play was hiding something. The problem with this type of play is that hiding something can either be Scum or a power role. The problem that we have now, is if you are the Cop, you are all but useless now....and that sucks. If we are in the setup with the roleblocker than you may survive the Night, but, with no investigation. Any other set up, you are dead.

Now you claiming at this point is beneficial simply for the fact that, if you are the real Cop, then we should not do the Scum work for them....a living Townie is better than a dead one. I'm apt to believe you for now since, there has not been a counter claim and I'd prefer not to kill a power role at this point...even if we're not positive that you are the role that you say you are.

@Tracker...no worries about the gender. It happens at least once per game that I play.

@Papa...I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.

AGar, Wicked and Boxman are all not on my list of more likely Town.

[Indigo Heron]

Indigo, as the cop you work with evidence. Who is the scummiest in your books?

Currently, I see a triumvirate of Boxman, AGar and Wickedestjr. To be honest, I wasn't following Mitey's case, but I'll do a re-read of his posts.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.

Purely on this sentence, I'm inclined to believe a Wickedestjr/Boxman pair rather than AGar with any of the two. Besides that, there isn't much to add onto what you and Papa Zito have covered. Again, I'll make more observations while I eagerly await Wicked's reply to my questions earlier on.

@Darkstrike: You don't visit a pasta house simply because it sounds good....

[Papa Zito]

@Darkstrike: You don't visit a pasta house simply because it sounds good....

We make a fantastic vegetarian lasagna.

@Papa...[1]I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, [2]right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.

1. You're correct. I shouldn't be doing that either. My bad.
2. So you have 5 suspects. You've named three. Who are the others?

[MiteyMouse]

@Papa...[1]I'm really reluctant to think in pairs before one person flips Scum. I have started a new strategy in the las little while and that is to look at more who I think is most likely Town as opposed to who is most likely Scum. Unless, something very Anti-Town jumps out at me. I'm not sure how successful it will be in a small game like this but, [2]right now, out of 9 of us, there are 4 that I think arre more likely Town than Scum.

1. You're correct. I shouldn't be doing that either. My bad.
2. So you have 5 suspects. You've named three. Who are the others?

I'd prefer to keep then under my belt for now, if you don't mind. I don't want the Scum to know my full trust list at this point in the game. At least until I get a better read in this game.

[Papa Zito]

Groovie. You know, having you in two games is going to get confusing. heh

Waiting on Box to respond to my giant yellow table of doom...

[tracker]

sorry i wasn't able to get on yesterday, and i'm also going to have limited access again thursday-sunday, hopefully after that i can get on more

first i'd like to

unvote

, the proskeeping IH alive outweigh the cons, and i admit that some people helped tip the scales.

as for the scum's of this game, i do find myself agreeing that agar is not contributing much to the game (and the anaylsis to IH, was accurate but doesn't contribute as much as i thought orginally) but to give him the "benifit of the doubt", but before making a final decision on him, i think we should give him another chance,

@agar, please start contributing if your town

box, papa your table gave me new insight but again i'm waiting for new/more content before casting a vote

@box, contribute!

Wicked, undecided

@Thesp, why do you want to see Mitey lynched?

hmmm... i just thought of something, this game is starting to split itself into some groups, suspected scum and accusers

under the suspected theirs

Wicked, Mitey, Agar, and Box

under the accusers are

Papa, Dark, Indigo, and Thesp

what to do with this i'm not sure yet