Newbie 792--Mafia Island ~ Mafia win!

[MiteyMouse]

Papa is a mystery to me and that scares me as, I've seen him as Scum. If he's our Scum we are going to have to work hard to get him.

How is his play compared to his play in that game?

Papa is a really good Scum. He seems to play the same if he is Town or Scum. I have played with him as both (in finished games)...it's terribly frustrating!

[Papa Zito]

Thesp is barely readable for me, although he seems to be doing more good then harm

Let me ask you a couple things on this subject.

1. What good do you think Thesp has done for the town?
2. I contend that Thesp's town read on Wicked is unjustified. Unspoken was my belief that his vote on Dark was therefore unjustified. Agree or disagree?

1. Stimulate activity, get people thinking on more than one or two paths.
2. Agree. I never said I agreed with his choice of analysis, but it's better than nothing. Same for Mitey, I don't agree with her analysis (which is coming now that she's town), but it's better than wicked's circular defending of himself.

Hmm.

One more observation: At the end of the day yesterday, Thesp left his vote on a player that had no chance of being lynched (Mitey). Today, he seems to be doing the same (Dark). Opinion on this?

Papa is a really good Scum. He seems to play the same if he is Town or Scum. I have played with him as both (in finished games)...it's terribly frustrating!

Then I'm doing my job.

[AGar]

Thesp is barely readable for me, although he seems to be doing more good then harm

Let me ask you a couple things on this subject.

1. What good do you think Thesp has done for the town?
2. I contend that Thesp's town read on Wicked is unjustified. Unspoken was my belief that his vote on Dark was therefore unjustified. Agree or disagree?

1. Stimulate activity, get people thinking on more than one or two paths.
2. Agree. I never said I agreed with his choice of analysis, but it's better than nothing. Same for Mitey, I don't agree with her analysis (which is coming now that she's town), but it's better than wicked's circular defending of himself.

Hmm.

One more observation: At the end of the day yesterday, Thesp left his vote on a player that had no chance of being lynched (Mitey). Today, he seems to be doing the same (Dark). Opinion on this?

It could be read two ways. One is refusing to follow the bandwagon and sticking to your vote. The other is trying to remain cautious and not hammer someone as scum. Seeing how Thesp is our IC and I'm sure he's browsed the wiki enough to read this article, I'm leaning towards the former.

[Indigo Heron]

You should also notice, AGar, that the topic reads "Mastin's Insane Tells", which doesn't give it too much of a credit.

[AGar]

You should also notice, AGar, that the topic reads "Mastin's Insane Tells", which doesn't give it too much of a credit.

I'm guessing this means that isn't a credible source?

[Papa Zito]

Deadline's starting to worry me a bit.

[Wickedestjr]

1. Well, I wasn't sure everybody would want a second person to claim, and when you told box to claim that kind of struck me as you were making the rules, and I didn't want us to do something that we would regret

You didn't answer my question. Why do you think I demanded a claim in that situation?

Because, if he claimed a PR, then we would most likely had unvoted.

When I listed those five, I meant that those were the five that I thought the scum were amongst.

What was the point of the questions then?

To gather more information, as I should be doing, yes?

What is so scummy about analyzing the person that people want to lynch? Isn't that what everybody should do?

You should be analyzing everyone, not just the current bandwagon favorite.

I have been, but most of the time, I haven't been finding anything that would be helpful. I also noticed that I wasn't paying enough attention to Mitey, so I analyzed her more.


[quote="Papa Zito"

Well, his partner very well could be a person in the list of people he thought had been useful. I find it strange that you are just ignoring those people. If his partner was you, Thesp, or Darkstrike, what list do you think he'd put them in?

In my experience, scum typically list their partners in neutral-sounding categories.[/quote]

So if his partner was you or Thesp then he'd put you in the group of people that he didn't suspect, but not in the group of useful people? You two have been very useful, so that would be pretty wierd.

[Wickedestjr]

Papa is a mystery to me and that scares me as, I've seen him as Scum. If he's our Scum we are going to have to work hard to get him.

How is his play compared to his play in that game?

Papa is a really good Scum. He seems to play the same if he is Town or Scum. I have played with him as both (in finished games)...it's terribly frustrating!

If he hadn't made the big yellow table, what would your read on Papa Zito be?

[Wickedestjr]

What is an IC?

[MiteyMouse]

Wicked...the IC is an "Inexperienced Challenged" player. Basically, it is an experienced person that is here to help the newer players learn the basics of the game.

The yellow table has nothing to do with my read on Papa. I have made it pretty clear that Papa is one of my top 2 suspects....

[Papa Zito]

You didn't answer my question. Why do you think I demanded a claim in that situation?

Because, if he claimed a PR, then we would most likely had unvoted.

Ah good. Do you see why this is beneficial?

To gather more information, as I should be doing, yes?

It all depends on what the purpose was. Townies pursue information to solidify reads. Scum pursue information to appear townie and to generate dirt to push townie bandwagons. When you tell me you were gathering information on two players that you don't have on your scumlist, it makes me wonder which of the two you're doing.

In my experience, scum typically list their partners in neutral-sounding categories.

So if his partner was you or Thesp then he'd put you in the group of people that he didn't suspect, but not in the group of useful people? You two have been very useful, so that would be pretty wierd.

Most likely yes, he'd have put us in the neutral category if one of us were his partners. There are no hard and fast rules in Mafia though.

@Mod: Votecount por favor

[AGar]

V/LA till Sunday morning - hellish work shifts.

[Indigo Heron]

Sorry for being inactive. Had work to do. Will have something up soon when I'm done with my weekly assignments.

[Darkstrike_11]

vote wickedestjr

In case the deadline hits, he's the one I think is most scummy. I don't think all the reasoning has to be explained again.

[havingfitz]

You didn't answer my question. Why do you think I demanded a claim in that situation?

Because, if he claimed a PR, then we would most likely had unvoted.

Ah good. Do you see why this is beneficial?

Now I do.

To gather more information, as I should be doing, yes?

It all depends on what the purpose was. Townies pursue information to solidify reads. Scum pursue information to appear townie and to generate dirt to push townie bandwagons. When you tell me you were gathering information on two players that you don't have on your scumlist, it makes me wonder which of the two you're doing.

Most of the time, I ask questions to everybody, regardless of my read on them.

In my experience, scum typically list their partners in neutral-sounding categories.

So if his partner was you or Thesp then he'd put you in the group of people that he didn't suspect, but not in the group of useful people? You two have been very useful, so that would be pretty wierd.

Most likely yes, he'd have put us in the neutral category if one of us were his partners. There are no hard and fast rules in Mafia though.

That just wouldn't seem right to me IMO.

[Wickedestjr]

Sorry the last post was mine. It was on a relatives account, and they hadn't logged out. Sorry.

[MiteyMouse]

@ Mod. I'm going to be L/VA from Tuesday until Sunday. I will not have any access to the internet. I would prefer not to be replaced but, do as you see fit.

[Wickedestjr]

For now I think I will vote Thesp.

Vote: Thesp

I realized something that I found suspicious about Thesp.

If he is scum then he knows that everybody else is innocent. Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak. I am also getting the impression that he knows I am going to get lynched today. If I did, that would probably make him look good, because I would appear innocent, like he had predicted. I think he knows this. So that is why I am voting him. It may be a weak reason in some people's opinions, but he is a very experienced player, and we are probably not going to find much suspicious about him.


I would like to hear what other players have to say about this.

[Papa Zito]

If he is scum then he knows that everybody else is innocent. Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak. I am also getting the impression that he knows I am going to get lynched today. If I did, that would probably make him look good, because I would appear innocent, like he had predicted. I think he knows this. So that is why I am voting him. It may be a weak reason in some people's opinions, but he is a very experienced player, and we are probably not going to find much suspicious about him.

If he's scum then he also knew Mitey was innocent. Why do you think he pursued her two days in a row?

[Thesp]

Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak.

I don't think it's a weak reason at all - I think quite the opposite! I'd vote for you in a heartbeat if not for the fact that your claim looks like you're readin off your role PM, which is pretty strong to me. I think (suspicions based on game state) > (suspicions based on social interaction).

[Papa Zito]

2 days ya'll.

Is there anything else we need to discuss?

Mod: Votecount please

[AGar]

For now I think I will vote Thesp.

Vote: Thesp

I realized something that I found suspicious about Thesp.

If he is scum then he knows that everybody else is innocent. Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak. I am also getting the impression that he knows I am going to get lynched today. If I did, that would probably make him look good, because I would appear innocent, like he had predicted. I think he knows this. So that is why I am voting him. It may be a weak reason in some people's opinions, but he is a very experienced player, and we are probably not going to find much suspicious about him.


I would like to hear what other players have to say about this.

Umm.. @Thesp (Oh dear IC, I'm utilizing you): Wouldn't this be WIFOM? Like "Why would scum attack/vote the person defending them?" The whole thing still confuses me a bit, so this would be helpful.

This is a very weird analysis either way. It confuses me, really. I don't know what to make of it other than maybe a last ditch effort by scum to get attention off of him?

[AGar]

my votecount reads:

wickedestjr - 3 - Papa Zito, AGar, Darkstrike_11
Darkstrike_11 - 1 - Thesp
Thesp - 1 - wickedestjr

Not Voting: Mitey Mouse, Indigo Heron

[Darkstrike_11]

@ Thesp: would you support a wicked lynch?

[Wickedestjr]

I don't know what to make of it other than maybe a last ditch effort by scum to get attention off of him?

Well, should I let you lynch me regardless of my allignment?