Mitey Mouse (2): Thesp, Darkstrike_11
Not Voting: Papa Zito, AGar, Wickedestjr, Mitey Mouse, Indigo Heron
4 to lynch.
Forgot the word "more" between gaining and suspicions. I guess better wording would be: "I'm getting more and more suspicious about him or her"AGar wrote: Mitey is lurking, so I'm definitely gaining suspicions about him or her. However, my vote would L-1 him or her and I want to get his or her defense before setting up someone to hammer him or her.
I believe that I already answered this and then used his idea...and thought that it was fun.Wickedestjr wrote:But like Thesp said, there is an alternative for beginning the game. Why did you not use this alternative?MiteyMouse wrote:This is because the only time (here) I've tried not randomly voting, I got jumped all over! I did not really want a repeat of that.Thesp wrote:I'm curious - if you acknowledge it as the norm, don't like it, and see a viable alternative presented before you, why then accept the norm?MiteyMouse wrote:Thesp...I don't love the random voting stage. It is the norm here but, far from my favourite part of the game.
Speaking of which...
Vote: Wickedestjr...because it took me a bit to try and pronounce your name!
Again, already answered. In your next post you quote it. I wasn't answering for him.Wickedestjr wrote:Hmm... I think this is important to take into account.Papa Zito wrote:Oh dear. Mitey, why are you answering for Boxman?MiteyMouse wrote:As to the meat of this post, I took that as a joke. This would be a very short game if the Scum came out so easily.
How is it worse...please explain how my actions are bad but, your use of WiFoM is ok?Wickedestjr wrote:WIFOM excuse. I know that I did this as well, but I think this case is worse.MiteyMouse wrote:Not to get all meta here but, you of all people know that I'm not fond of in thread coaching...that is what you are implying, is it not? And if I was to coach in thread, it would be far more subtle...again, you know this!Papa Zito wrote:ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".MiteyMouse wrote:Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.
Yes it was a safe answer but, Papa was (quite obviously) implying that my defense of Boxman (though it wasn't really a defence just me stating an oponion) made me less valuable to the Town.Wickedestjr wrote:I see this as a very safe answer to a very revealing question.MiteyMouse wrote:I think that they both have value. A player defending themselves...that is a big part of the game and if someone didn't defend themselves, well then, they're not really playing are they?Papa Zito wrote: In your opinion, which is more valuable:
- A player defending against an attack directly against him/her; or
- A player defending another player.
A player defending someone else...well, this could be considered buddying (or cuddling as I like to call it) or it could be pointing out something that the accuser did not see.
Both get the players talking and that is always a good thing!
Yes he ws but, as I said, I would not tip my hand so early if he was my partner.Wickedestjr wrote:Well, we know boxman is scum.MiteyMouse wrote:Yeah...I don't like fighting with you either my friend...but it's part of the fun of the game!Papa Zito wrote: First, arguing with Mitey sucks.
Second, help me see the value of defending? I'm missing it.
Also, you've hit on one concern, erm, cuddling. (lol) But you missed another, that of an experienced partner defending a less experienced one.
Defending (though I'm not sure that that is what I did here) could help to point out something that the accuser did not see. The joke part of his post seemed pretty obvious... You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?
I have had a busy week at work and then have wanted to spend some time with Mr. MiteyMouse when I have been home.Wickedestjr wrote: I find Mitey Mouse to be scummy.FoS: Mitey MouseI would be voting for him right now if that didn't put him at L-1. He isn't contributing at all. I kind of get the feeling that he is waiting for day to end so he can make another kill. He also doesn't seem too interested in scumhunting.
Can you please point out the posts where this happens, because I can't find it.MM wrote:I believe that I already answered this and then used his idea...and thought that it was fun.
Darkstrike had a theory that me and you were the scum pair because we were the last two to confirm. He accused me first though. For my defense I used WIFOM by saying that there is no knowing that the last two to confirm would be scum and that the scum could have confirmed first on purpose to make me and you look bad.MM wrote:How is it worse...please explain how my actions are bad but, your use of WiFoM is ok?
You even admit that it is a safe answer. Papa Zito asked you which of the two you prefer, and instead you say you think they are both equally important. That did not answer the question. It struck me as if you weren't sure how to answer the question. Possibly scared you may answer incorrectly.MM wrote:Yes it was a safe answerbut, Papa was (quite obviously) implying that my defense of Boxman (though it wasn't really a defence just me stating an oponion) made me less valuable to the Town.
Sorry about that.MM wrote:No...MiteyMouse is a she!
Wicked wrote:Darkstrike had a theory that me and you were the scum pair because we were the last two to confirm. He accused me first though. For my defense I used WIFOM by saying that there is no knowing that the last two to confirm would be scum and that the scum could have confirmed first on purpose to make me and you look bad.
I find this very townie, plus he was pretty early on the Box wagon. I don't think AGar is our man.AGar wrote:I've been following, but too tired to post anything really.
Interesting stuff wicked. First you L-1 a guy who the majority wants lynched, and then you unvote him because you don't want to "accidentally" kill him? Doesn't make sense. The people voting wanted him dead. We're past petty random voting, and now Boxman is doing nothing to help his case here.
Papa Zito, I don't necessarily agree with your whole "Claim please" but, hey, it's getting some interesting tells from other people, so keep it up I guess.
I seem to find Boxman a much more effective lynch than Wickedest right now.
Mitey is waffling about the Box situation. She shouldn't be asking this question soon after I posted a big case on Box. There was also her defense of him earlier in the game when I went after him for his RVS "joke". Mitey could easily be our scum.Mitey Mouse wrote:What is more compelling for Box as opposed to Wicked Papa?Papa Zito wrote: Okay, so basically what it comes down to is that a Wicked lynch is less risky because he's either vanilla or scum. So there's that.
I still think we should go with Box.
Then there's Wicked, of course. I wrote yesterday about this particular post: "Wickedestjr's panicked unvote looks like scum trying not to get his partner killed. " Box's flip kinda validates this. Plus since he claimed vanilla yesterday a mislynch doesn't hurt us much here.Wickedestjr wrote:Unvote: Boxman
Sorry, I was unaware of the vote count. Please don't claim boxman.
@Papa Zito - Wth? Why would you want a second player to say their role? Personally I would rather finish this day without letting mafia know all the power roles.
Did you not notice this or are you being sarcasm somehow?Indigo Heron wrote:Seriously?Wicked wrote:Darkstrike had a theory that me and you were the scum pair because we were the last two to confirm. He accused me first though. For my defense I used WIFOM by saying that there is no knowing that the last two to confirm would be scum and that the scum could have confirmed first on purpose to make me and you look bad.
Who's defense do you think is better then? Boxman couldn't hammer, I think he was the one that put me at L-1 anyway.Darkstrike wrote:Wicked, I remember that defence. It was not a good wifom defence. Wifom is rarely a good defence. Claiming that one type of wifom defence is better than another is just absurd.
Wicked is just making life more difficult for himself today. I still find it interesting that we had a L-1 wagon on him and boxman didn't hammer it. Though I suppose that could go either way, he could be afraid to hammer a townie, or he could have not wanted to lynch his partner.
I'd quite like to hear other people's thoughts on that piece of evidence..
We were 2-3 days away from deadline. This reads like something you pulled from a "Top 10 Ways to Appear Townie" list.Wickedestjr wrote:@Papa Zito - The only way I can defend myself in this situation without using a WIFOM excuse would be to say that I'm the kind of player that likes to spend as much time in the day as possible, and therefore I didn't want a box lynch.
Please contrast these points to your play in this game.Wickedestjr wrote:The reason I am suspicious of MM is because;
1: She hasn't contributed hardly any.
2: She doesn't seem to be too interested in scumhunting.
3: The only comments relating to boxman have been defending him in some way.
1: My scumhunting may not have helped much, but I have been trying my best to find out who the last scumhunting member is. Mitey doesn't seem like she has ever.Papa Zito wrote:Please contrast these points to your play in this game.Wickedestjr wrote:The reason I am suspicious of MM is because;
1: She hasn't contributed hardly any.
2: She doesn't seem to be too interested in scumhunting.
3: The only comments relating to boxman have been defending him in some way.
Who have you hunted, and what were your conclusions?Wickedestjr wrote: 1: My scumhunting may not have helped much, but I have been trying my best to find out who the last scumhunting member is. Mitey doesn't seem like she has ever.
Does post count typically indicate alignment?Wickedestjr wrote:2: If I wasn't interested in scumhunting then I wouldn't posting as much. Mitey made three posts during day 2 I think, so far. I have made at least 10 I'm pretty sure.
1. Yes, it did turn out to be the truth. Let's look at this in more detail. Box identified himself as scum in that joke, which has proven true by his flip. He then identified Thesp as his partner. Since you're using his joke post as evidence, why are you not suspecting Thesp?Wickedestjr wrote:3: Well, the only times that Mitey has actually spoken about box, [1]she was first defending his joke that he made at the beginning of the game that he was scum, which turned out to be the truth. [2]Then mitey asked why we would want box lynched more than me. This seemed like she was defending him again to me. [3]She was also never on the box wagon.
Looking back, it was not as much as I thought it was. I did answer a question and I asked one near the start of the game.Wickedestjr wrote:Can you please point out the posts where this happens, because I can't find it.MM wrote:I believe that I already answered this and then used his idea...and thought that it was fun.
I used the WiFoM excuse before I knew he was Scum. I'm not defending this too too much as it looks bad. At the time though I did not know that he was Scum.Wickedestjr wrote:Darkstrike had a theory that me and you were the scum pair because we were the last two to confirm. He accused me first though. For my defense I used WIFOM by saying that there is no knowing that the last two to confirm would be scum and that the scum could have confirmed first on purpose to make me and you look bad.MM wrote:How is it worse...please explain how my actions are bad but, your use of WiFoM is ok?
However it looked to me like you did not realize that defending boxman would make you look so bad, and it looked like when you did realize this, you said, "oh do you actually think I would of done this if I was scum". Well you could have.
I think my WIFOM excuse is ok, because I didn't really do anything scummy in the first place when darkstrike accused me. However, you defended boxman who turned out to be scum which is scummy. Then you use that WIFOM excuse of yours.
Well I do admit that it was safe. I do believe that both are important...though, that is now looking to turn around and be used against me.Wickedestjr wrote:You even admit that it is a safe answer. Papa Zito asked you which of the two you prefer, and instead you say you think they are both equally important. That did not answer the question. It struck me as if you weren't sure how to answer the question. Possibly scared you may answer incorrectly.MM wrote:Yes it was a safe answerbut, Papa was (quite obviously) implying that my defense of Boxman (though it wasn't really a defence just me stating an oponion) made me less valuable to the Town.
No worries...happens all the time!Wickedestjr wrote:Sorry about that.MM wrote:No...MiteyMouse is a she!
Thesp has been suspecting me far a while now but, I'm not really sure why. He has voted for me twice without making a case...I would love to hear the case as I cannot answer accusations that I don't know about!Wickedestjr wrote: @MM - What do you think of Thesp and Darkstrike?
What do you mean by this question? Do you mean who have I been suspicious of?Papa Zito wrote:Who have you hunted, and what were your conclusions?Wickedestjr wrote: 1: My scumhunting may not have helped much, but I have been trying my best to find out who the last scumhunting member is. Mitey doesn't seem like she has ever.
Papa Zito wrote:Does post count typically indicate alignment?Wickedestjr wrote:2: If I wasn't interested in scumhunting then I wouldn't posting as much. Mitey made three posts during day 2 I think, so far. I have made at least 10 I'm pretty sure.
[/quote]Papa Zito wrote:1. Yes, it did turn out to be the truth. Let's look at this in more detail. Box identified himself as scum in that joke, which has proven true by his flip. He then identified Thesp as his partner. Since you're using his joke post as evidence, why are you not suspecting Thesp?Wickedestjr wrote:3: Well, the only times that Mitey has actually spoken about box, [1]she was first defending his joke that he made at the beginning of the game that he was scum, which turned out to be the truth. [2]Then mitey asked why we would want box lynched more than me. This seemed like she was defending him again to me. [3]She was also never on the box wagon.
2. Why didn't you bring this point up before I mentioned it?
3. Which is more scummy to you: To never join a wagon on someone who later turns out to be scum, or to join it and then jump off when the voter realizes he put the person at L-1?
@Thesp, no worries, we have until July 14. We shouldn't be in a rush.