Newbie 792--Mafia Island ~ Mafia win!

[Papa Zito]

@Papa Zico: You forgot scenario E: The remaining mafia member does not believe that I am a cop, just a desperate town player, and hence assassinates someone else, keeping in the game a player whose role is doubtful to the town and a pretty good choice for a lynch on D2.

Hmm. That's a good one also. And yeah, I'm saying cash it in later. Let's not tip our hand just yet.

@Papa Zito - As for the scenarios you posted, doesn't it have to be B, C, or D, because box was a mafia goon?

Ah good. Now we just need AGar.

A is possible if the setup is 2 goons, 1 doc, and 6 vanilla. I did goof a bit, it should read "He knows a doc is lurking, so he makes his best guess and kills tracker." Sorry for the confusion.

[Wickedestjr]

So if the player that IH inspected doesn't get any of the heat, and a person that he hasn't inspected gets the heat, should he still reveal his claim?

[Indigo Heron]

Who knows...? At the end of the day, we'll see. Right now I just want to see whether or not there will be any heat generated towards the player I investigated during the day.

I also just realised that Boxman has only contributed about a page's worth of posts....

I really feel that we should go back to Boxman's last post.

[quote="Boxman]Because no one else is really suspicious to me.

You were the only other suspicious person in my eyes, and you turned out to be the cop.

Papa Zito, darkstrike_11, and Thesp have all been useful in some way today.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.[/quote]

You're right, Papa Zico. This post has come back to haunt us.

[Indigo Heron]

EBWOP: Ah shit, epic fail. Wait.

Because no one else is really suspicious to me.

You were the only other suspicious person in my eyes, and you turned out to be the cop.

Papa Zito, darkstrike_11, and Thesp have all been useful in some way today.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.

[Papa Zito]

^^ Yes. I'll get to that, but I'm waiting on AGar to say whether he's the cop or not.

[Khelvaster]

I am going on a trip. I should be back whenever I can get internet; 10 days is the longest. Yaw is taking over temporarily

[Thesp]

Waiting for AGar.

I am going on a trip. I should be back whenever I can get internet; 10 days is the longest. Yaw is taking over temporarily

Woohoo! Hi Yaw!

[Yaw]

Hi Thesp!

Let me get you guys a

Vote Count:

Not Voting: Darkstrike, Papa Zito, AGar, Wickedestjr, Mitey Mouse, Indigo Heron, Thesp

4 to lynch.

Also, since day started on Tuesday, I'll start looking at who needs prods tomorrow (3 days).

[Wickedestjr]

Nice to meet you Yaw.

*waiting for AGar*

[Darkstrike_11]

I've made a bit of a match analysis, which I will post after Agar's post. I reckon I know who I want to lynch today, based on previous relationships with Boxman, but I'm still waiting for Agar to make his claim/non claim...

And Hi Yaw!

[Papa Zito]

I have a feeling Dark's come to the same conclusions I have.

While we wait, tell me about your avatar. Who's this plunger guy?

[Wickedestjr]

I've made a bit of a match analysis

I've been doing the same thing.

[Darkstrike_11]

Its from the new Halo 3 expansion pack. It represents the Superintendant, an artificial intelligence which controls the maintanance of the city your are in. Also the game developers used it in viral advertising on their forums, it would appear just saying "keep it clean" and whip all the halo fanboys into a frenzy.

I love the character because its a "dumb" AI which can only say a few phrases, but subtly controls your path and helps you throughout the game. Like saying "bridge tolls accepted" when you try to blow up a bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaBmrcdHv40 watch that video if you are interested, it sort of gives the flavour of the character, if you look hard enough.

What about yourself? Your avatar is cool, I remember you said it was from the "sandman" series? I'm not familiar with it

[Papa Zito]

Sandman was a comic book series from the 90's. It was published under DC's Vertigo label, which they used to put out more adult-oriented stuff. Neil Gaiman is one of my favorite authors and he was the writer for the series. I discovered trade paperback versions of the comic after looking for more stuff that he had done.

The series is about the seven Endless, who are kind of like gods. They all start with D: Dream, Death, Destiny, Destruction, Desire, Despair, and Delirium/Delight. My avatar is Dream (aka the Sandman) who is the focus of the series.

[Yaw]

Prod sent to AGar (no posts for 3 days).

[AGar]

I ain't the po-lice.

Other than that, kinda confused by the tracker hit. Seems... bad.

[Thesp]

Alright, here's the good news - if Indigo Heron is scum, he has lost. I could go into the details now, but let it suffice to say that a Day 4 doctor claim is important. On to business. Whoever we go for, we should try to reach a consensus for a lynch within about a week or week and a half, so we've got time in case our cop says that's his investigatee. On that note, no one should lynch anyone before IH gives the final word.

Vote: Mitey Mouse.

I don't think she's pushed for finding scum at all this game. Her swipes at suspicions have always seemed a little half-hearted. On top of that, I can think of some reason why I think there's a decent chance every other player in the game is potentially town. I can't see one for her.

[Wickedestjr]

Alright, here's the good news - if Indigo Heron is scum, he has lost. I could go into the details now, but let it suffice to say that a Day 4 doctor claim is important.

I don't understand sorry. Maybe it's just something I should just wait to fall into play. Why would you want the doctor to claim so late as day four?

I don't think she's pushed for finding scum at all this game. Her swipes at suspicions have always seemed a little half-hearted. On top of that, I can think of some reason why I think there's a decent chance every other player in the game is potentially town. I can't see one for her.

Mitey is also one of the people that I think is most likely to be scum, but I will not vote yet, until I reread the thread a little bit. I would also like to hear what Mitey has to say.

[Wickedestjr]

I ain't the po-lice.

Other than that, kinda confused by the tracker hit. Seems... bad.

It was probably because they felt tracker wouldn't get lynched today.

[Indigo Heron]

I ain't the po-lice.

Other than that, kinda confused by the tracker hit. Seems... bad.

This rubs me the wrong way...somehow.

[Wickedestjr]

So I will say I think I would prefer scum roles, but I’m not sure yet. I wanted to be scum this game

Why'd you feel the need to say this?

unvote

since there's no sense keeping this vote here. I'm starting to think we'll need a random bandwagon to get anywhere.

Why the unvote then?

Thesp...I don't love the random voting stage. It is the norm here but, far from my favourite part of the game.
Speaking of which...

Vote: Wickedestjr

...because it took me a bit to try and pronounce your name!

I'm curious - if you acknowledge it as the norm, don't like it, and see a viable alternative presented before you, why then accept the norm?

This is because the only time (here) I've tried not randomly voting, I got jumped all over! I did not really want a repeat of that.

But like Thesp said, there is an alternative for beginning the game. Why did you not use this alternative?

As to the meat of this post, I took that as a joke. This would be a very short game if the Scum came out so easily.

Oh dear. Mitey, why are you answering for Boxman?

Hmm... I think this is important to take into account.

[Darkstrike_11]

Right, thanks for that Agar, I thought it would be a good idea to post all the votes that people have made, and I have added any particular references to Boxman (or tracker) in it. Also there is a vote count at the end of each day.

PAGE ONE

Papa Zito -> Thesp
Mitey Mouse -> Wickedestjr
IH -> Tracker
Boxman says that Thesp is his scumbuddy in a jokey way. ( I love how later Papa Zito accuses Box of doing this deliberately to stick a finger to the town, which was actually right on the money. Still unlikely that Thesp actually IS his scumbuddy though)

Thesp (1) [Papa Zito]
Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]

PAGE TWO

Wickedestjr -> IH
Papa Zito X
Wickedestjr -> Papa Zito
Papa Zito -> Tracker
DS -> Wicked
Wicked X
Papa Zito X

Wickedestjr (2) [Mitey Mouse, DS]
Tracker (1) [IH]

PAGE THREE

(wahey)
Wickedestjr -> DS
DS X

Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]
DS (1) [Wickedestjr]

PAGE FOUR

Papa Zito -> Wicked
Boxman -> Wicked
(Boxman also FOSs Agar)
I call him out, Boxman unvotes Wicked hurriedly
Boxman X
Box claims he was trying to get a reaction.
Box gets a bit attacky on Wicked

Wickedestjr (2) [Mitey Mouse, Papa Zito]
Tracker (1) [IH]
DS (1) [Wickedestjr]

PAGE FIVE

Wicked -> Papa Zito

Wickedestjr (2) [Mitey Mouse, Papa Zito]
Tracker (1) [IH]
Papa Zito (1) [Wickedestjr]

PAGE SIX

Boxman says that Thesp doesn’t have to say why he thinks Agar is scum
Papa Zito -> Agar
DS -> IndigoHeron

Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]
Papa Zito (1) [Wickedestjr]
Agar (1) [Papa Zito]
Indigo Heron (1) [DS]

PAGE SEVEN

Boxman FOSs Indigo after my vote
Boxman -> Indigo
Thesp -> Agar
Wicked -> Indigo
Agar -> Papa Zito
IH X

Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]
Agar (2) [Papa Zito, Thesp]
Indigo Heron (3) [DS, Boxman, Wickedestjr]
Papa Zito (1) [Agar]

PAGE EIGHT

Papa Zito -> Indigo
Indigo claims cop
DS X
Papa Zito -> Agar
Agar X
Box says he can’t lynch a cop X
Box -> Agar

Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]
Agar (3) [Thesp, Papa Zito, Boxman]
Indigo Heron (1) [Wickedestjr]

PAGE NINE

DS -> Boxman
Wicked X
Tracker -> Indigo

Wickedestjr (1) [Mitey Mouse]
Tracker (1) [IH]
Agar (3) [Thesp, Papa Zito, Boxman]
Indigo Heron (1) [Tracker]
Boxman (1) [DS]

PAGE TEN

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that AGar is the most suspicious at this point. He's lurking a lot, and I don't see any reason to go voting for anyone else.

Pressure starts to build on Box. Interestingly, he then makes a post strongly claiming that Agar is the scummiest person, without any real evidence apart from that he is “lurking a lot” and that he sees “nobody else good to vote for”, having already posted his vote on him previously. When the pressure is starting on him, and the pressure is already high on Agar, it seems unlikely that this is a bus.

Because no one else is really suspicious to me.

You were the only other suspicious person in my eyes, and you turned out to be the cop.

Papa Zito, darkstrike_11, and Thesp have all been useful in some way today.

Wickedest_jr, tracker, and Mitey Mouse haven't done anything to raise my suspicions.

A very interesting post. Somebody said this post would haunt me, Papa and Thesp, but I think this post typifies the mood at the time as far as more townish people goes. What is interesting is how he claims that Wicked and mitey havent done anything to rasie suspicions. Mitey I could understand, but Wicked has done a LOT of scummy stuff, and would be an easy target for a scummy player.

Indigo -> Wicked
Thesp -> Miteymouse
Papa Zito -> Boxman
Tracker X

Wickedestjr (2) [Mitey Mouse, Indigoheron]
Agar (1) [Boxman]
Boxman (2) [DS, Papa Zito]
Mitey Mouse (1) [Thesp]

PAGE ELEVEN

Agar-> Boxman
Wicked -> Boxman
Wicked X. Wicked asks boxman NOT to claim...
DS -> Wicked
Tracker -> Wicked
Wicked -> Boxman (his defence is that if he and boxman were scumpartners, he wouldnt have voted box in the first place, despite the fact that he was 4th on the wagon)

Wickedestjr (4) [Mitey Mouse, Indigoheron, DS, Tracker]
Agar (1) [Boxman]
Boxman (3) [Papa Zito, Agar, Wickedestjr]
Mitey Mouse (1) [Thesp]

Wow. We were L-1 on wicked, and Boxman DIDN’T hammer! This is interesting!

PAGE TWELVE

DS -> Boxman
IndigoHeron -> Boxman HAMMER TIME!

Wickedestjr (2) [Mitey Mouse, Tracker]
Agar (1) [Boxman]
Boxman (5) [Papa Zito, Agar, Wickedestjr, DS, IH]
Mitey Mouse (1) [Thesp]

PAGE THIRTEEN

Boxman is lynched, Tracker is Nked


Well thats it. One thing I can say is this: it's almost certain that Agar is not scum. It just doesn't make sense for him to be a buddy of Boxman's. The biggest thing is the fact that he was still pushing for an Agar lynch when Agar was at L-2. I think we can safely discount Agar as scum.

Miteymouse, however is completely different. She voted Wickedestjr throughout, and never voted Box, keeping a low profile throughout. Methinks scummy.

Wickedestjr is also a possible candidate, but I would wager a huge amount that he was who IH investigated.

Then again, there is the possibility that IH is scum. He and tracker had a bit of a rivalry throughout the game, often voting each other. However he hammered Box, and I'm sure he is the cop.

What does confuse me is tracker as a target. For me he was neutral. It pains me to say but his death helped the town, since I wasn't sure he was town. If I was in the remaining scum's shoes I'd have gone for thesp or papa or me. Also, why didnt they NK a (fairly) confirmed cop?! That would have been a fairly basic decision. The only reason I can think of is the fact that we all had IH's death as an almost certainty. I reckon the scum didnt kill IH and killed the guy who had opposed him in an attempt to cast suspicion on IH. It does nay work for me!

Therefore I reckon its between Wicked and Mitey for the remaining scum. Of course I admit it COULD be IH, but I find it unlikely.

therefore

vote: MiteyMouse

[Darkstrike_11]

Wow wicked. That analysis would have been fantastic back on page 2 when it happened. None of it is that relevant.

I said I wanted to be scum because I did. End of. No hidden meaning.

[Wickedestjr]

Papa...I was just giving my take on the comment from Boxman. I wasn't answering for him at all.

ORLY? Because it sure looks like you said out a nice little excuse that he could just pick up and say "yeah this".

Not to get all meta here but, you of all people know that I'm not fond of in thread coaching...that is what you are implying, is it not? And if I was to coach in thread, it would be far more subtle...again, you know this!

WIFOM excuse. I know that I did this as well, but I think this case is worse.

In your opinion, which is more valuable:
- A player defending against an attack directly against him/her; or
- A player defending another player.

I think that they both have value. A player defending themselves...that is a big part of the game and if someone didn't defend themselves, well then, they're not really playing are they?
A player defending someone else...well, this could be considered buddying (or cuddling as I like to call it) or it could be pointing out something that the accuser did not see.

Both get the players talking and that is always a good thing!

I see this as a very safe answer to a very revealing question.

First, arguing with Mitey sucks.

Second, help me see the value of defending? I'm missing it.

Also, you've hit on one concern, erm, cuddling. (lol) But you missed another, that of an experienced partner defending a less experienced one.

Yeah...I don't like fighting with you either my friend...but it's part of the fun of the game!

Defending (though I'm not sure that that is what I did here) could help to point out something that the accuser did not see. The joke part of his post seemed pretty obvious... You've played with me before, do you really think that if I were Scum with Boxman, that I would tip my hand this early and give us both away?

Well, we know boxman is scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Wow wicked. That analysis would have been fantastic back on page 2 when it happened. None of it is that relevant.

I said I wanted to be scum because I did. End of. No hidden meaning.

It is still analysis, which is good for the town.

It

pains me to say

but his death helped the town,

This kind of thing, and this kind of thing;

So I will say I think I would prefer scum roles, but I’m not sure yet.

I wanted to be scum this game

that makes me twitch a bit.

I've done some analysis of my own.

Darkstrike, you provide a good point about AGar. I am not very suspicious of him. @Thesp - What do you think about Darkstrike's point about AGar, you were suspicious of him during day 1, so does this change anything to you? I currently see AGar as pro-town.

I am not sure if I am willing to believe IH's claim yet. Thesp, you said that IH would lose no matter what. Can you please elaborate? Don't forget that this is a newbie game, and people like me, won't understand this.

I find Papa Zito to be pro-town at the moment mostly because of his big yellow table and he has been against him pretty much the whole game.

I am not sure about Dark_strike. The quotes earlier in this post make me a bit suspicious. Other than that Darkstrike has been acting pretty pro-town, but I still see him as neutral. Although, I don't know if I would want him lynched, because there is really no way he can defend himself that would actually be pretty convincing. I am kind of leaning toward neutral because it isn't the best evidence, but it is something I think we should consider.

I find Mitey Mouse to be scummy.

FoS: Mitey Mouse

I would be voting for him right now if that didn't put him at L-1. He isn't contributing at all. I kind of get the feeling that he is waiting for day to end so he can make another kill. He also doesn't seem too interested in scumhunting.

Last is Thesp. I honestly don't have a clue of what to think of him. Nothing he has done has seemed scummy, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum. I get a neutral read from him.