Newbie 792--Mafia Island ~ Mafia win!

[Wickedestjr]

If he is scum then he knows that everybody else is innocent. Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak. I am also getting the impression that he knows I am going to get lynched today. If I did, that would probably make him look good, because I would appear innocent, like he had predicted. I think he knows this. So that is why I am voting him. It may be a weak reason in some people's opinions, but he is a very experienced player, and we are probably not going to find much suspicious about him.

If he's scum then he also knew Mitey was innocent. Why do you think he pursued her two days in a row?

Well, he has to go after somebody doesn't he? I think he could be trying to attack as few people as possible.

[Wickedestjr]

You guys can lynch me if you want. Apparently I am just distracting you from finding scum. I thought I have defended myself good enough. But obviously that was not the case for others. We only have two days left, and that is probably not enough time to find the scum, because most of this day has been spent attacking me. You'll soon find that this has been a waste of time and I guess keeping me alive today would only waste another day. But good luck finding scum.

[MiteyMouse]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and

Vote: Papa Zito

My case on him is earlier in the thread.

[Papa Zito]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and

Vote: Papa Zito

My case on him is earlier in the thread.

If you weren't confirmed I'd find this hugely scummy. Especially after answering your case earlier.

At this point I'm seeing Wicked or Thesp, and the Wicked case has more merit.

I'd suggest everyone do one of these for future reference in case Wicked flips town:

Day 2 Final Scumlist

1. Wickedestjr
2. Thesp
3. IH
4. AGar
5. Dark
6. Mitey

[MiteyMouse]

How is it Scummy Papa? I made a case and then voted. That is the point of the game is it not...or part of it anyways.

[Darkstrike_11]

Darks' Day 2 Final Scumlist:

1. Wickedestjr
2. Thesp
3. Papa Zito
4. IndigoHeron
5. Agar
6. MiteyMouse

(although I can't really see anyone but 1 or 2 being the remaining scum)

[Thesp]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and Vote: Papa Zito

My case on him is earlier in the thread.

If you weren't confirmed I'd find this hugely scummy. Especially after answering your case earlier.

At this point I'm seeing Wicked or Thesp, and the Wicked case has more merit.

I'd suggest everyone do one of these for future reference in case Wicked flips town:

Day 2 Final Scumlist

1. Wickedestjr
2. Thesp
3. IH
4. AGar
5. Dark
6. Mitey

I think giving the scuma better idea of who to kill is a VERY, VERY BAD IDEA.

[Darkstrike_11]

Thesp, can I have your opinion on a wickedestjr lynch?

[Papa Zito]

How is it Scummy Papa? I made a case and then voted. That is the point of the game is it not...or part of it anyways.

I refuted your case and you didn't even comment.

I think giving the scuma better idea of who to kill is a VERY, VERY BAD IDEA.

Fail. We have a claimed cop and a cleared MiteyMouse, in addition to a couple other players who have been playing extremely pro-town games. The remaining scum actually has too many targets. It's far better for the town to get these lists in the open so we have more information for tomorrow, if there is one.

[Thesp]

Thesp, can I have your opinion on a wickedestjr lynch?

Still the same as before - I think he's a bad lynch because how he claimed looked like he was reading off of his role PM.

I think giving the scuma better idea of who to kill is a VERY, VERY BAD IDEA.

Fail. We have a claimed cop and a cleared MiteyMouse, in addition to a couple other players who have been playing extremely pro-town games. The remaining scum actually has too many targets. It's far better for the town to get these lists in the open so we have more information for tomorrow, if there is one.

Ah, you're absolutely right (though I think IH and MiteyMouse should withhold their lists). I'll do this tonight.

[AGar]

AGar's Scumlist (Day 2)

1. Wicked
2. Thesp
3. Darkstrike_11
4. Papa Zito
5. Indigo Heron
6. Mitey Mouse

[Wickedestjr]

Here's my list;

1. Thesp
2. Darkstrike
3. IH
4. AGar
5. Papa Zito
6. Mitey


It is something like that. 2-5 may be in a slightly different order.

[Khelvaster]

Vote Count:


Wickedestjr (2): Pop a zit--oh![Papa Zito], AGar
Darkstrike (1): Thesp
Thesp (1): Wickedstjr
Papa Zito (1): Mitey Mouse

Not Voting: Indigo Heron

With 7 alive, it will take 4 to lynch.

The deadline is at 11:59 P.M. July 14

[Khelvaster]

I will be gone for most of tomorrow and most of Friday. If a lynch happens, please PM Yaw. Otherwise, play on!

[AGar]

Vote Count:


Wickedestjr (2): Pop a zit--oh![Papa Zito], AGar
Darkstrike (1): Thesp
Thesp (1): Wickedstjr
Papa Zito (1): Mitey Mouse

Not Voting: Indigo Heron

With 7 alive, it will take 4 to lynch.

The deadline is at 11:59 P.M. July 14

Darkstrike's dead to you already? :p lol jk

For posterity's sake, Wicked is at L-1 with 3 votes. Me, Papa and Darkstrike (Post #488).

I'd like to see Thesp's scum list before deadline hits (which is in 22 hours and 14 minutes at the time of posting), so nobody hammer this yet, ok?

Also when Thesp posts, I'm still wondering about that WIFOM thing.

[Indigo Heron]

My list:

1. Thesp/Darkstrike.
2. Wicked.
3. Papa Zico
4. AGar
5. Mitey Mouse.

I'm still around: my finals are next week so I urge patience while I give this minimal attention for 7 days.

[MiteyMouse]

I have been thinking about this and I'm going to move my vote. If Papa is the Scum then we're going to have some trouble getting him but, he knows I'm watching...keep ths in mind if I'm the one to go tonight (which is pretty likely).

Unvote
Vote: Thesp

Remember that I'm L/VA until Sunday...have a good week everyone!

[Wickedestjr]

*Stops tying the rope around his neck wondering if he is going to live*

[Thesp]

Sorry, I neglected to do this yesterday:

Scum list

darkstrike_11
{Papa Zito, AGar}
Wickedestjr
Indigo Heron
{Mitey Mouse, Thesp}

(I probably put Papa Zito slightly above AGar, but not by much, the difference is negligible.)

I still contend that darkstrike_11 is a better lynch, and I wish I had been pushing harder on him today. I'm still leery of a Wickedestjr lynch.

However, viewing the vote count has me now tied with Wickedestjr...

Unvote: darkstrike_11, Vote: Wickedestjr.

I will switch back to darkstrike_11 in a heartbeat if there is a chance of him being lynched, and/or if my vote is no longer necessary to save my own neck.

Thank goodness for post preview - I noticed AGar's correctional post of the vote count. My vote will stand on Darkstrike_11, whom I think is likeliest to be scum.

For now I think I will vote Thesp. Vote: Thesp

I realized something that I found suspicious about Thesp.

If he is scum then he knows that everybody else is innocent. Earlier he defended me. His reason however, was very weak. I am also getting the impression that he knows I am going to get lynched today. If I did, that would probably make him look good, because I would appear innocent, like he had predicted. I think he knows this. So that is why I am voting him. It may be a weak reason in some people's opinions, but he is a very experienced player, and we are probably not going to find much suspicious about him.


I would like to hear what other players have to say about this.

Umm.. @Thesp (Oh dear IC, I'm utilizing you): Wouldn't this be WIFOM? Like "Why would scum attack/vote the person defending them?" The whole thing still confuses me a bit, so this would be helpful.

This is a very weird analysis either way. It confuses me, really. I don't know what to make of it other than maybe a last ditch effort by scum to get attention off of him?

I'm not sure this is WIFOM proper, because WIFOM is necessarily self-reflexive - it's specific to analyzing one's own actions, and being reflexively aware of the perception of such actions. I think Wickedestjr's approach here isn't WIFOM, but instead is poor reasoning. His presumption of my assessment of the certainty of his lynch is reasonable, whether or not it's accurate. It's worth noting that being correct about someone's innocence isn't terribly useful at this point, largely for reasons Wickedestjr has alluded to. I think the question in his logic is whether or not my defense of him is weak or not. If it's weak, it's a very reasonable scumtell he's using. If it's not weak (which I contend it isn't, though I acknowledge that I am defending with less gusto than others might, and perhaps than I ought), then his observation isn't terribly helpful.

[Papa Zito]

1. Thesp/Darkstrike.

What's your beef with Dark?

[Yaw]

It's ok, I got the message. I'll be following along today, so PMing when you get a lynch won't be necessary. (Do note that I still can't lock the thread, so when I say the thread is closed, stop typing.)

[Papa Zito]

We need a hammer.

[Yaw]

I noticed some vote count confusion in the thread, so I went back a bit to produce an official one.

Vote Count:

Wickedestjr (3): Papa Zito, AGar, Darkstrike_11
Thesp (2): Wickedestjr, MiteyMouse
Darkstrike_11 (1): Thesp


Not Voting: Indigo Heron

4 to lynch.

[Papa Zito]

Not Voting: Indigo Heron

I need your vote on record, plz.

[Yaw]

Final Vote Count:

Wickedestjr (3): Papa Zito, AGar, Darkstrike_11
Thesp (2): Wickedestjr, MiteyMouse
Darkstrike_11 (1): Thesp


Not Voting: Indigo Heron

As per rule 6, this means Wickedestjr is lynched.

Wickedestjr, Townie, lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2. Please stop typing in thread. Send choices to Khelvaster. If I'm interpreting his note correctly, he'll be around tomorrow (Tuesday and Friday, not Tuesday until Friday), so I'll let him set the time for night to end. Or I'll do it at the end of the day. Either way, you'll know tomorrow.