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[jmo16mla]

VOTE: varsoon

Why no vote?

[jmo16mla]

Bah, varsoon is telling the truth.
Vote stays.

[jmo16mla]

I checked your games and realized you didn't vote in rvs just like you said.

Cherry, I take your vote as serious?

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon who is your top mafia pick atm?

He just asked that...

Edit: don't discuss other games.

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon who is your top mafia pick atm?

He just asked that...

Edit: don't discuss other games.

whut

I'm not discussing other games

UNVOTE: PepperSakuraCherrysomethingsfdska;fjakls;fja;
VOTE: jmo16mla

wayy too nitpicky

Even bringing up ongoing games is against site rules. Don't do it. Ever.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: glass

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: glass

It'd be nice if you could explain your vote rather than hoping on a wagon with a naked vote.

VOTE: Jmo16mla

Explain your vote.

Wagon? He/she had one vote.

[jmo16mla]

I do not believe in overthought/overanalysis, only good or bad analysis.

As for my meta look at newbie 1372 (town) and 1380 (ongoing but it's the only game where I've flipped scum on this site; i subbed in towatds the end of day 1). The bulk of my meta is at sc2mafia.com. The setup there is a bit different (24 hour days, more PRs), but that is where I have played the most.

YOU DON'T MENTION ONGOING GAMES. GOD DAMN.

[jmo16mla]

So why aren't you voting Saki?

I am not certain if he's scum. I am concerned if I jump on, more people might and the bandwagon might reach the point of no return. There are already a few people voting Saki. If I was certain Saki was scum, I'd vote him without caring if he might eventually wind up lynched. However, I'm not. If there wasn't already a train on Saki, I'd vote him to see what happened.

So, do you care to share this history with the rest of the class Varsoon?

L-3 isn't the point of no return. However, if more players jump onto the Saki bandwagon and become convinced, it would reach the point of no return. It's early in the day, let's keep our options open until we are certain someone is scum.

Yeah, I do think policy lynches are scummy. We should lynch who we believe to be scummy, not based on policy.

@glass

what in these post made you want to vote titus?

[jmo16mla]

And you don't see that he could be just a newb and not know what to do?

[jmo16mla]

well we have differing opinions then.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: jmo

How long are you going to continue dodging questions?

I really hate when people automatically say others are dodging/ignoring questions. I like your omgus though.

Kinda thought it was obvious the reason I voted for you in the last post, I see Titus as newb town. Your vote on him is because he is an easy lynch target at this point in the game.

[jmo16mla]

Also, why do you think Titus is a newbie given that he has played games here and has linked to site where he says the bulk of his meta exists?

So Glass is calling out to jmo for voting without a reason when Glass did the exact same thing on 64?

I am moreso calling him out on refusing to give reason for his vote when asked for it.

Misrep. More votes for glass.

[jmo16mla]

Titus, I read you as been town, is having a town read buddying?

glass: I don't care how many games hes played. That's what he reads to me. Now, your votes for him thinking he is an easy lynch makes perfect sence. He isn't very sure of where to place his votes and what to do. You try to claim he is scum and vote him. What's not to understand why you voted him?

[jmo16mla]

glass, you said that i refused to answer questions. Where did i say no, I'm not going to answer that?

I answered the question to why you're scum and I'm sticking to it.

Stubbs, already said I have a newb read on titus. Whats scummy about this?

Flench, who's scum? you've been prancing around and not voting.

[jmo16mla]

saki isnt mentioned in 118.

So why are you voting him?

[jmo16mla]

Did i or did i not give you my answer?

edit: you just said you gave your scum reads in 118 though. now youre pointing towards 39 and 76...

[jmo16mla]

Im just trying to understand period.

[jmo16mla]

id really like flench to just explain himself. obviously two people dont get what he's saying.

[jmo16mla]

So this is really going to be one of

those

games..

[jmo16mla]

An aggravating game because people are being little jack asses. what question?

[jmo16mla]

Kinda thought it was obvious the reason I voted for you in the last post, I see Titus as newb town. Your vote on him is because he is an easy lynch target at this point in the game.

You must have missed this

And he is being a little jack ass for this:

Since confirmed town said he understood my posts (a few posts up) and Dislexicon seemed to, I will not wasted my time explaining for the third time.

The least he could do would be to make what the hell he is saying known to us. but no, since the confirmed town and another guy understands it, he isnt going to. EVEN AFTER three people said they didn't understand. The same number of people he said had to not understand for him to explain.

[jmo16mla]

after reviewign saki's posts, she hasn't been constructive to scum hunting at all.

id like to see what she has to say upon returning to the updated game state before voting her this early in the game.

still not liking glass.

[jmo16mla]

@JMO I'm L-2, you're thinking of sticking a vote on me even though there's like two days 'till my V/LA is over?

youre L-3 hun. I wanted to see what you had to say when you got back from your V/LA to see if you would keep up the non scum hunting.

[jmo16mla]

i find DP and Sakura pushing me this hard early in the game perfectly aligned with their scum metas

in that

one

game?

[jmo16mla]

Prod dodge

[jmo16mla]

If I haven't read, and currently am not in the position to read, I wouldn't have anything to comment on now would I?

[jmo16mla]

Because I'm not on vacation or limited access? I'm phone posting and don't have a computer with me. I didn't want to get prodded, so I posted prod dodge, because that's what it was. A prod dodge.

[jmo16mla]

Anyone down for a varsoon lynch?

VOTE: varsoon

[jmo16mla]

Well, chances are, ones lying. Lynch one, flips town, lynch the other.

[jmo16mla]

Okay, so lets not lynch either of them and let scum walk over us. Cool.

[jmo16mla]

Which would be why I'm pushing varsoons lynch.

[jmo16mla]

Can we just lynch varsoon?

[jmo16mla]

You want to lynch Titus today?

[jmo16mla]

Saki, I'm going to politely ask you to shut the fuck up and stop spamming the thread. You've got 200 posts. 2/7ths of all posts.

On the other hand, varsoon still hasn't been lynched..

[jmo16mla]

I don't remember voting saki..

[jmo16mla]

I don't think I FOS'd saki either..

[jmo16mla]

No, that was a reply to Titus.

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon is scum.

For real. He tried to CC someone to get them lynched. You guys are idiots for not seeing this.

[jmo16mla]

Yes, sorry. Been busy playing softball thus weekend.

[jmo16mla]

Jmo is also relying on the 1v1 scenario. PLEASE CAN WE DROP THIS SHITTY ARGUMENT? That said, he voted Varsoon long before the big long argument, and left his vote there. No re-evaluation and not even a little bit of analysis of anyone else. Scummy.

because hes scum? fuck off.

[jmo16mla]

Whatever.
UNVOTE:
Since no one is willing to compromise in a reasonable amount of time.

Content when I can. Bad day.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: varsoon

Told you guys he was scum. Phone post.

[jmo16mla]

@Jmo: Please give us something with more content or replace out of the game.

You're mad because you're getting lynched scum. Why would I replace out for finding scum?

[jmo16mla]

My vote flipping? How about your "pressuring" of me?

[jmo16mla]

You're attacking people who aren't posting to make it look like you are scum hunting.

[jmo16mla]

Anyways, back to catching up for me. I'll come up with my case on Jmo when I'm done.

And you're sure you don't want to lynch the lying scum varsoon?

[jmo16mla]

Titus, how do you know this is a mislynch?

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

I'm not ignoring you Titus. Sit and spin. Saki is town. Most I my posts are phone posts, I ten to get to address everyone completely at a computer.

[jmo16mla]

No? And no. You fake counter claimed. What if we had lynched saki who flipped rb? Then we would be down at least one PR.

[jmo16mla]

Cherry, you realize we don't have IC's out of newbie set ups?

[jmo16mla]

One who doesn't know what to do..

[jmo16mla]

You varsoons partner?

[jmo16mla]

Where the fuck did I wagon hop? I've been on varsoon for nearly the whole game. The fuck are you people reading. Anyone could see through his shit fake counter claim, then VT claim. I believe I was first on his wagon up until I unvoted because nearly everyone was like "no jmo, you should unvote, we aren't lynching varsoon"

[jmo16mla]

And that is almost like it coensides with me being busy doesnt it? *gasps*

[jmo16mla]

I never said who I want to lynch but by now jmo should be able to post reads and reasons. When people ask multiple times for an explanation and jmo dodges, it is hard to think of him as town.

Being busy but no vla sounds like an excuse.

I don't go on V/la. I asked for it like once. If I've got a few busy days of school or something, I'm not going v/la when I can still post. I already told you this.

But, if I were to go v/la, it wouldn't be an excuse and therefore i would be town?

[jmo16mla]

nice case long, im not buying it.

Kay.

Varsoon.

Tries to counter claim a likely town PR.

After much debating about numbers and shit, he then says that he didnt read the setup, yet is still a RB. Who doesn't read the setup youre about to play in? surely he read the setup.

Then, he says that he lied and is actually a VT, trying to expose saki if she fake claimed.

why didn't he just claim VT instead of lying about not reading the set up? Why go through that drawn out lie? to cover himself because he is scum.

So, Whats the number one rule as town? Don't lie about your role. sure, there are certain gambits that pay off if you lie, but there was no master plan here besides getting saki to give up.

My vote has been on varsoon the whole time, WAITING for you people to realize how his scum play is and lynch him. But no, lets play slap dick and believe him.

then he tried to pull out this bread crumb shit out of his ass. WTF?

Look, there is no chance he is a RB, unless he lied again. We lynch him now and stop the WIFOM later on in the game that what if he really is scum. If he is town, we lose a VT. If he is scum, better for us.


i dont like flench. cherry could be scum. il read over them.

Is dyslexicon even playing?

[jmo16mla]

Regardless, trying to justify your case AFTER you've had a shit storm thrown at you doesn't do much for your town cred. In fact, I'd assume town would just refute my points and say, "No, this is clearly where I said X." The saddest thing in your case is that Varsoons town-crumbing is more believable than any of your posts.

IVE HAD THE SAME FUCKING REASONS THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING GAME YOU DIP SHIT.

[jmo16mla]

Regardless, trying to justify your case AFTER you've had a shit storm thrown at you doesn't do much for your town cred. In fact, I'd assume town would just refute my points and say, "No, this is clearly where I said X." The saddest thing in your case is that Varsoons town-crumbing is more believable than any of your posts.

IVE HAD THE SAME FUCKING REASONS THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING GAME YOU DIP SHIT.

All of which came after your votes for no reason. You apparently think that just because you explained why you voted six hundred posts ago somehow negates the fact that you didn't explain the votes in the first place. I like that you're squirming now, though. Calling me a dipshit. You're so chuffed.

MY VOTES HAD THE SAME REASONING. I SAID MY REASONING. you are a dipshit.

[jmo16mla]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4663861

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4663839

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4625693

Yay self meta.

[jmo16mla]

Cherry, I did bring town meta evidence.
JMO tried to refute with town-meta evidence too,
and I called the point that he insults people earlier (around L-3/L-2) as scum and he consistently does it.

Thats the point she was trying to make.

[jmo16mla]

@Titus: Then howabout coke floats or something? We could go to Sonic, they have all kinds of neat drink specials.

This shit isnt game related. youre fluffing up the damn game like youve done the whole time.

[jmo16mla]

My vote is still on JMo.
I don't need to give examples if you've read the last pages.

He's trying so hard to live.
Be cruel and let him live for D1 and get him tomorrow.

So, kill town, and let the fluff posting scum live?, cool.

[jmo16mla]

So, you defended yourself for being anti town?

[jmo16mla]

Did fluff posting cloud town judgement?
Did fluff posting dispel either of our wagons?
Did fluff posting critically impact the game in any negative way?

It means you're more likely scum.
No.
Yes. People don't want to read that shit.

[jmo16mla]

Over aplologetic.

[jmo16mla]

apparently content=town.

[jmo16mla]

Why would there be three NK's?

[jmo16mla]

Mostly because I've learned that I'm usually right with my reads.

you too huh?

[jmo16mla]

Yeah, lets

not

vig me.

Seriously though, whats with everyone drawing conclusions to who's partner is who before anyone flips?

[jmo16mla]

off to the store for a stopping Kit for my car. will return later.

[jmo16mla]

You were CC'd, though, and your reactions seemed genuine to me, and I'm assuming most other people agree.

This is true.

[jmo16mla]

its not on going...

edit: yeah.

[jmo16mla]

Also, woah, that's only a 12 page game, really?
I can't fathom how town won with such little info.

because they didnt have people spaming the thread.

[jmo16mla]

Thought that was rather known?

[jmo16mla]

Will someone tell me why cherry is scum? I have them as town.

Edit: saki, shut the fuck up.

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon and Titus anyone?

Edit: Hey! I was about to say that:(

[jmo16mla]

Okay, don't like cherry soft claiming.

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon and Titus anyone?

Edit: Hey! I was about to say that:(

what, you agree with me?

If varsoon is scum. Yes. Possibly.

[jmo16mla]

Okay, don't like cherry soft claiming.

I don't either, that's why i said that to my other head.

Yeah,

your other head

we can't verify this, so you could be lying.

[jmo16mla]

Where? I'm trying to find scum.

[jmo16mla]

all I did was draw attention towards me.

wasnt this the point?

[jmo16mla]

JMO's town

W...wait, did you really just say that?
Oriole is town.
TunnelVision is town.
Pasch is town.
Jmo is not fucking town.

[jmo16mla]

JMO's town

W...wait, did you really just say that?
Oriole is town.
TunnelVision is town.
Pasch is town.
Jmo is not fucking town.

Spoiler: long

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: Titus

only if varsoon flips scum.

[jmo16mla]

flench

you just made this grand case against titus... and you didnt vote for him.. Why so?

[jmo16mla]

no

[jmo16mla]

okay, so lets say varsoon was correct and saki was lying.

What do you expect saki to do in that situation? say "damn, im actually scum you guys, you got me"? huh

[jmo16mla]

some times. sure. but, HOW DO YOU EXPECT HER TO REACT, TO SOMETHING THAT IS NORMAL IN THE SET UP?

[jmo16mla]

note that the only people saying it wasn't total bs is varsoon and titus and long

ftfy

[jmo16mla]

@Saki: What is? I'm not lynching you ever.

buddying

[jmo16mla]

@Saki: I don't know who you're responding to, please be more specific.

@JMO: It isn't buddying to say that I won't be putting a vote on someone I personally went through the trouble of confirming town.
So, Drop it.

and saki is confirmed town how?

[jmo16mla]

That doesnt confirm someone as town.

[jmo16mla]

Jmo post a full read list with evidence and stop being a lazy whore or I am changing my vote to you.

[jmo16mla]

you realize its 1 in the morning my time?

[jmo16mla]

Time is not an issue. It's 2:20 AM here. Get dedicated or get out.

youre trying WAY too hard to sound hard core town.

[jmo16mla]

you realize its 1 in the morning my time?

I guess you better stop dicking around and get started then.

im actually studying for a calc exam tomorrow morning. doesnt look like il be getting to your reads post. too bad.

[jmo16mla]

Time is not an issue. It's 2:20 AM here. Get dedicated or get out.

youre trying WAY too hard to sound hard core town.

silly argument

just because I townread you I'm not agreeing with you

you just can't say whatever the fuck you want

actually, i kinda can. and scum try to blend with town. Thats why hes been hopping faster than a rabbit on coke on lurkers and now hes getting serious about "being dedicated" what? This is a game son.

you realize its 1 in the morning my time?

I guess you better stop dicking around and get started then.

im actually studying for a calc exam tomorrow morning. doesnt look like il be getting to your reads post. too bad.

Let's be honest here, time doesn't matter, you probably wouldn't make a post with good content either way.

This guy knows his stuff!

[jmo16mla]

you realize its 1 in the morning my time?

I guess you better stop dicking around and get started then.

im actually studying for a calc exam tomorrow morning. doesnt look like il be getting to your reads post. too bad.

You aren't studying atm and you aren't escaping my vote so it's your choice.

youre not worth me snapping a picture of my notebook and posting it.

[jmo16mla]

Fuck this shit. I come back to read and I'm on 84 of 92. 8 damn pages? Guess they are full of shit. Il read later.

[jmo16mla]

Fuck this shit. I come back to read and I'm on 84 of 92. 8 damn pages? Guess they are full of shit. Il read later.

"I'm pretending I even read the thread in the first place."

True.

[jmo16mla]

The Stubbs wagon... Lol it's cute.

Varsoon, you do realize that it's pretty often I'm busy IRL. Check my meta. You seem to have done that a bit.

[jmo16mla]

why are you in such a rush?

[jmo16mla]

Ah screw it, im getting tired of waiting

Daykill: Titus

the fuck?

[jmo16mla]

why are you in such a rush?

Why are you still lurking? Just post a full read list with evidence and tell me thanks for that link and I'll unvote you.

everyone is town.

except varsoon. hes super scum.

Also, thank you. Im on calc 1 for the third time.

[jmo16mla]

Yo, not scum. Too many blocking/protecting roles to call me scum anyways.

[jmo16mla]

But yes, I bussed te living dog fuck out of my partner yesterday. Mhm.

[jmo16mla]

Someone may have protected the NK with a doc protect. Scum could have also tried to kill Titus, I've see scum kill the vigged player before, I think it's pretty plausible, knowing saki I the RB, that scum no kill or kill Titus, setting up a

quick

mislynch today, keeping info from town with the quick lynch of the player saki RB'd.

[jmo16mla]

The above was at long.

[jmo16mla]

I'm not squirming. It made sence to me.

Fluench and stubbs/salmonella.

Edit: long, why

wouldnt

scum kill obv town?

Holy fuck stop posting so I can post.

[jmo16mla]

Hold the fuck up. What's keeping cherry from being scum?

[jmo16mla]

Does no one understand that Cheery could easily be scum?

Hmm, awkward role hinting going on, then the outright "yes im a PR" for no reason...

What?

They claim killing role, so they get to kill all they want and have no consequence. for once i think i agree with xiao.

VOTE: cherry double penetration

elaborations on my scum reads come later.

[jmo16mla]

Wait, how do I end up being scum if Jmo flips scum? O_o

Xiao, Cherry, neither of you are playing very town. Can we please lynch confscum JMO so we can actually get something done.

My vote has been on Jmo the whole game, so I'm on your side in this case.

Bussing. Remember?

[jmo16mla]

Even if Pasche is confirmed town, his play is stupid and he won't be back from V/LA for a while.
I have no idea why scum would shoot pasche.

Because he's a confirmed town.

[jmo16mla]

Post. Sorry. Been busy the past few days.

[jmo16mla]

Can we slow the hell down?

[jmo16mla]

Meh true that. I'm just trying to find the time to post. Sorry for sucking it up.

[jmo16mla]

posting something with content tonight, ive actually got time.

[jmo16mla]

What the fuck does me flipping godfather have to do with xiao compared to the alternative jmo flipping goon?

[jmo16mla]

What the fuck does me flipping godfather have to do with xiao compared to the alternative jmo flipping goon?

Cop has innocent on Xiao.
You flip GF, Xiao is confirmed town.
Simple.

Ah. Should have thought that one through.

Tunnel. yessir.

[jmo16mla]

Hey guys, I'm just going to start from here. I have no want to go back and try to read through shit and filter out what I want. I just don't have the drive.

Lynch me for it if you want. It's whatever though. But I can promise this game gets my full attention from here on out.

Ready go.

[jmo16mla]

Deff. Don't say erase my past. I'm aware I played like shit. Think about it. If I tell you've I've lost intrest and have lost desire to go back and read through the heaping piles of shit that you shit heads felt the need to flood the game with. I've been busy irl and haven't had time.

[jmo16mla]

Scum no killed.
Doc save.
Scum tried to kill Titus.
You're scum and you're lying to get me lynched.
You're just an idiot.
You're telling the truth and your actually town an I'm scum.
It's a figment of your imagination.
What?

I men, you're the one that tried to confirm me as town via role blocking me.. Exactly how would that work again?

[jmo16mla]

Varsoon counter claiming you has nothing to do with your alignment, you both could have talked this put before D1 got all I know.

[jmo16mla]

I was actually pissed salmonella hammered for a second there.

Lol nice one though.

Salmonella is prob town for that.

[jmo16mla]

Wait, what the fuck? I'm dead now? Whatever. Not sure exactly who to go after tomorrow as like I said I haven't been too into this game. Sorry about that guys. I'm just VT. So nbd.

[jmo16mla]

I don't think anyone realizes that I don't post reads list. That's fucking stupid.

[jmo16mla]

scum wouldn't post one

Because certainly I'm scum in every fucking game I play.

[jmo16mla]

Cherry is my partner. You idiots want to lynch me evaluate I was blocked last night? Lol gg town.

[jmo16mla]

Didn't understand varsoons double buss tactic day one. That screwed my whole plan up.