Open 512: See Nine Plus Plus (Game Ovah)

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 1.10

[L-3] Saki - Flench, Paschendale, CherryDrPepper, Varsoon
[L-4] CherryDrPepper - Dyslexicon, oriole, Saki
[L-5] jmo16mla - Glass, StubbsKVM
[L-6] Glass - jmo16mla
[L-6] Flench - Titus

Not Voting: Vote Me, TunnelVision

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-02 19:30:00)).

---

StubbsKVM has been prodded.

[CherryDrPepper]

Yes but we never claimed it made us town now did we?
Because we have a bigger scum read on you than Varsoon, hypocrisy =/= scum and focusing on someone we think is scumier is not hypocrisy,

[jmo16mla]

Because I'm not on vacation or limited access? I'm phone posting and don't have a computer with me. I didn't want to get prodded, so I posted prod dodge, because that's what it was. A prod dodge.

[Saki]

I believe hypocrisy is more scummy than town. Why would a townie need to be hypocritical if they were contributing to scumhunting? Scum has more chance to be hypocritical 'cause they know who's scum and who's not and have to deliberately endeavor to create a mislynch.

I thought the readslist argument was over because it's clear that you think of it one way and I think of it another way and we aren't going to change each other's opinions about it.

So scum has no need to create a readslist, eh?
Then why would town create one? Shouldn't they be focused on scumhunting more than town-reading people?
Yes PoE works but at the same time it doesn't work.

P-EDIT
You kinda did.

No, I was focused on how you were so set on lynching me.
"Bigger scumread than Varsoon"
So you do have a scumread on Varsoon? Make that clear please.

[Does Bo Know]

Forgot to add the rule saying players have 24 hours to post after a prod. It's now on the first page.
~DBK

[Varsoon]

@Saki: It's funny watching you flail. Honestly, though, what Titus said about seeking truth rather than convincing people and your swapped votes from me cherry to me to cherry are both pretty good reasons for my vote to stay where it was.
Why am I not playing the friend card right now when I was when I entered the game? Maybe 'cus I was genuinely happy to be in a game with Pasche as confirmed town and with someone who uses an avatar from a piece of literature I like a lot?
I'm being a bastard now because people are stupid, and they should have to realize that.

@CherryDrP: Feeling a lot better about your slot with the retaliation on Saki. You proved really town under foppish pressure, and dispelled the absurd case Saki's been trying to build so far.

@Titus: You might be playing too town for me not to be paranoid of you.

Anyforwho, big things:
Saki, you're at L-3. Are you still on VLA? If so, let us know. If no, take off your VLA banner. I don't want to see you hit L-1 and not be able to claim, etc.
JMO, You prod-dodged, but will you actually post some content? I feel like a louse when I put people on my scum-dar for putting in minimal effort. Ultimately, it's a null-tell, but it doesn't help town.
Stubbs, any reason for your absence?

[Saki]

Saki, you're at L-3. Are you still on VLA? If so, let us know. If no, take off your VLA banner. I don't want to see you hit L-1 and not be able to claim, etc.

How?

Mhmmm. Why not consider the fact that my case on you did have good points and that CherryDP might possibly have a scumread on you.
"Seeking truth" is that not what I was doing by voteswapping. You're getting the wrong idea here.

Why do I have to answer the same question over and over again in different forms?

I have reasons to believe that Varsoon is scum but not as much as CherryDP. I faked going after Varsoon and dropping the CherryDP case once and

voila

, there's CherryDP claiming scum.

Also Varsoon, what do you say about attention grabbing? It's what you claim that you're doing yet I'm getting lynched for it and you aren't?

[Saki]

Varsoon, you also talk as if my lynch is already decided.

[StubbsKVM]

Sorry about not posting more. Prod received.

I was supposed to make a catchup post today, but I had some unexpected visitors.

I can see that Jmo has not put in any useful content since I last checked. Just a prod dodge and repeating earlier reads.

So my vote is still good.

I'll try and catch up now.

[Varsoon]

You go into your User Control Panel, then go to Leave/Vacation tab at the top and disable it, I think. Should be easy to find.


You seem to have quoted the wrong thing/only a little of my post, as your post is addressing parts of my post that you did not quote.

Your case on me has points that I could make about half the people here, or about myself in several of my completed town games.
CherryDP should have a scum-read on me. I'm scum.

Can you quote the place where Cherry is claiming scum?

You're getting lynched because you're taking the game seriously. My play is far different from yours, and if you think that they both have the same effect, you're mistaken. L-3 mistaken, at this point.

PEDIT: I talk about your lynch as if it's likely, because it is. You're at L-3 and stringing your own noose. I'm warning against you being at a (likely) L-1 without the presence to claim/defend yourself. There's a difference of rhetoric that you're missing, I think. If I wanted to talk about your lynch being inevitable, I'd write things like, "Well, once we see what Saki flips..." or "Who should we go after D2?" or... You get the picture.

@Stubbs: Solid. Please catch up and provide some short reads. I feel like JMO is -definitely- not a pro-town player, or that he's a town PR trying to lay low. Regardless, the best way of dealing with it is letting him live through D1, then seeing what happens at night, then pressuring him into the ground on D2 with a lynch if he's still scumming it up.

[StubbsKVM]

Okay, I read through some ISO's and this is what I came up with.

Town

Glass
Oriole
Paschendale

Leaning Town

Saki
Titus
Dyslexicon

Null

Varsoon
Vote Me

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper
Flench
Tunnel Vision

Scum

JMO

That'll have to do for now. If you have any questions, shoot.

[Saki]

Okay, I read through some ISO's and this is what I came up with.

Town

Glass

Oriole
Paschendale

Leaning Town

Saki

Titus

Dyslexicon

Null

Varsoon
Vote Me

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper

Flench

Tunnel Vision

Scum

JMO

That'll have to do for now. If you have any questions, shoot.

I agree with your scumread on JMO. Don't think he should be at the bottom, but still I agree that he's more scummy than town. I'd like explanations (even if brief or a gut read) on the people in bold

[CherryDrPepper]

I'd like explanations on all your reads please (except pasch since he's obvious).

Saki how come we give reads with analysis and you find it scummy, yet he gives reads without any analysis or explanations and you don't find it scummy? Do you find reads that disagree with you scummy or what.

-Sakura Hana

[Saki]

On the other hand I want everyone in this list

-Paschendale
-Flench
-Oriole
-Glass
-Dyx

to please post.
Especially Flench and Pasche who have votes on me. I want to know what you guys think of where this case is going.

[Saki]

He was not around, then he comes and gives a readslist after catching up. During the time that he was inactive he could not possibly scumhunt or townread anyone.

afaik you were active before you made yours.

[Saki]

I wanted to know about the bolded people in specific because they're people that I have trouble reading.

[Varsoon]

Thanks for updating your VLA banner, Saki. :3

Solid exchange between Saki and Cherry, too. Shifts them both a little more town for me.

But, yeah, what Cherry said. Please give like a sentence to explain your reads, it'll help gauge them better and give us some trajectory when they shift about.

[Varsoon]

Saki-saki, you do this thing where when someone points out/asks you something that might implicate you as scummy, you respond like three times in defense.

It's null, but kawaii~

[Saki]

@Cherry Besides, his reads don't seem as forced as yours. You tried too hard in yours to make it seem like you weren't just parroting.

[Saki]

I try not to think twice before I post. Therefore depriving my posts of a feeling of 'artificial-ness' which is usually in the posts of people who carefully consider how their post might look to others.

My posts therefore would accurately represent my thought process which trades off coherency for truthfulness.

[CherryDrPepper]

He was not around, then he comes and gives a readslist after catching up. During the time that he was inactive he could not possibly scumhunt or townread anyone.

afaik you were active before you made yours.

I wasn't around during that other weekend either.

I wanted to know about the bolded people in specific because they're people that I have trouble reading.

You have trouble reading yourself? (you bolded your name on the list).

@Cherry Besides, his reads don't seem as forced as yours. You tried too hard in yours to make it seem like you weren't just parroting.

Idk if you're serious or you're just trying to paint us as scum no matter what, I gave my reads list based on what i read on

everyone's ISO

, that's trying too hard?

[Does Bo Know]

I'd like everyone to note that if a player hasn't posted in 48 hours, you may request a prod on them. I'm only skimming the game and I notice how badly you guys want others to post, but you aren't requesting prods. Thank you.
~DBK

[Saki]

1) uh, sorry?
2) Duh, yes I do. /sarcasm
3) You ISO'd everyone in that short period?
What I don't really like about that readslist was that every single one of your reads was different to what the town was generally saying before it. I interpreted that as you trying hard to make your readslist look genuine and not just parroting.
While it is not bad to have a different opinion to the town if you read

everyone

differently I find that suspicious. (ofc everyone that could be read)

P-EDIT:

@Mod: Please prod Dyx and Vote Me.

[StubbsKVM]

Town

Glass: Great scumhunting. Got a feeling Glass vs JMO is Town vs Scum.
Oriole: Points out points that go unnoticed by others. good scumhunting.
Paschendale: confirmed town

Leaning Town

Saki: Says things as they come to mind. Doesn't seem to mind getting a lot of suspicion for it. Although I don't agree with everything he says, I don't see much reasons to think of him as scum. There's definitely going to be scum on his wagon though.
Titus: Agrees on Saki townread. Not afraid to put himself out there and go against the current.
Dyslexicon: Agrees on Saki townread. Not much other content, but I like what I've seen.

Null

Varsoon: I don't know what to think of him. At first I thought he was town, but the later posts had me doubting it again. I can go back and forth on him all day.
Vote Me: No meaningful content.

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper: Severe tunnelling on Saki. Hasn't posted a single read on anyone else since the reads list, which had a lot of Nulls and which was provided by Sakura, who admitted Saki being scum was based mostly on her partners Meta. I'd like to see a new one.
Flench: Some weird logic at times(X&Y understand, so I'm not explaining), the rest of his posts lack content or reads.
Tunnel Vision: Little content, but don't really like what I've seen

Scum

JMO: Dodging questions, weird accusations, Scum side of the Glass vs JMO discussion.



I saw discussion already, so I decided to fight my sleep and provide some reasoning.

[Does Bo Know]

Bump