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Xiao Long · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:45 pm

In post 1999, Varsoon wrote:@Saki: Where?
My motivation for CCing you was to ascertain if you were lying about your early role-claim.

Maybe if you keep repeating it everyone will understand.
Like, I thought it was obvious, but apparently not.

Varsoon · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:48 pm

Xiao, that's the trick. You just say the same words over again and louder.

jmo16mla · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:48 pm

okay, so lets say varsoon was correct and saki was lying.

What do you expect saki to do in that situation? say "damn, im actually scum you guys, you got me"? huh

Varsoon · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:50 pm

Hardly. I expected scum-Saki to scramble, to build a poorly articulated case against me, and play a generally level-two scum-game.
Instead, Saki responded in a genuinely noobtown level one manner.
Take, for instance, the pressure that is currently being put on Cherry.
I don't expect Cherry to say he's scum,
but every move Cherry makes while scrambling speaks towards a scummy alignment.

Xiao Long · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:51 pm

In post 2002, jmo16mla wrote:okay, so lets say varsoon was correct and saki was lying.

What do you expect saki to do in that situation? say "damn, im actually scum you guys, you got me"? huh

I would have expected her reaction to be a lot more faux-town than before. Have you never reaction-tested? Like....ever?
I mean, I know in this game you don't scum hunt or anything, but in games where you're town do you never reaction test?

jmo16mla · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:55 pm

some times. sure. but, HOW DO YOU EXPECT HER TO REACT, TO SOMETHING THAT IS NORMAL IN THE SET UP?

Flench · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:56 pm

Decent point. Since Varsoon apparently didn't read the setup the CC was pointless...

Saki · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:56 pm

elaborate, jmo

counterclaiming in this setup is bs anyways.

Saki · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:57 pm

note that the only people saying it wasn't total bs is varsoon and titus.

jmo16mla · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:58 pm

In post 2008, Saki wrote:note that the only people saying it wasn't total bs is varsoon and titus and long

ftfy

Saki · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:00 pm

wait, xiao, you're saying I'm scum?

Flench · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:01 pm

Yea bro he's been sippin dat titus varsoon drank since he got here.

Saki · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:01 pm

the hell?

Varsoon · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:01 pm

If I could sigh harder, my sigh would be a Korean pop star.

@Flench: I hadn't read the setup, so my CC did lose a lot of its strength. I've admitted to this play being shitty due to that. Please read the rest of this post for why my CC was still effective as a test.
@Saki: Titus defended the strength of my CC due to the less than 1% chance that there'd be two roleblockers in the setup. I tested him on this to make sure he wasn't just buddying, and he wasn't. Feel free to read the game again.
@JMO: Refuted. Don't think you'll escape so easily.

Saki · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:04 pm

it's still helping you get a town pr lynched, varsoon.
lul.

Xiao Long · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:05 pm

In post 2005, jmo16mla wrote: some times. sure. but, HOW DO YOU EXPECT HER TO REACT, TO SOMETHING THAT IS NORMAL IN THE SET UP?

In post 2006, Flench wrote:Decent point. Since Varsoon apparently didn't read the setup the CC was pointless...

Doesn't change the reasoning for his CC. He obviously didn't read the set-up, and he thought Saki's seeming desire to claim was scummy (note: I thought so, too), so he, without realising the set-up allowed for more than one roleblocker, decided to test her claim and try to counter-claim.

Let's make this simple because apparently people aren't able to understand it well:
1. The set-up allows for more than one roleblocker.
2. Varsoon didn't read the set-up, and therefore thought there was only the possibility of one roleblocker.
3. Saki is very quick to claim and it seems scummy.
4. Varsoon decides to verify Saki's seemingly scummy claim by counter-claiming because he thought it would work because he didn't know the set-up allowed for one roleblocker.
5. Varsoon was corrected that it was possible there was more than one roleblocker, but there was still a lot of discussion and reactions from Saki and others that helped get reads on multiple people.
6. I don't like odd numbers.

In post 2010, Saki wrote:wait, xiao, you're saying I'm scum?

No, I think you're town, but I thought your original claim was scummy because there was no reason for you to claim as early as you did.

Varsoon · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:06 pm

@Saki: What is? I'm not lynching you ever.

Saki · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:07 pm

582 Xiao I explain everything about slinging shit at me for claiming here go read it

He said he read the set-up recently.

"No, I think you're town, but I thought your original claim was scummy because there was no reason for you to claim as early as you did."
backpedalling noted

Saki · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:08 pm

Why can't you get me lynched? 'cause I am a town PR and you are not.

If I flip TRB there is no reason for town to let you live.

jmo16mla · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:08 pm

In post 2016, Varsoon wrote:@Saki: What is? I'm not lynching you ever.

buddying

Xiao Long · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:11 pm

In post 2017, Saki wrote:582 Xiao I explain everything about slinging shit at me for claiming here go read it

He said he read the set-up recently.

"No, I think you're town, but I thought your original claim was scummy because there was no reason for you to claim as early as you did."
backpedalling noted

This is really frustrating having to explain the obvious so many times.
Yes, I know you made that post. I read it. It came after Varsoons counter claim. Before everyone started slinging shit at you for claiming early, Varsoon CC'd to verify whether your seemingly scummy claim held water.

He said he read the set-up a thousand posts ago. This is a 2k post D1. A thousand posts ago was just two or three days ago. Either way, he read the set-up after the fake CC.

Varsoon · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:12 pm

@Saki: I don't know who you're responding to, please be more specific.

@JMO: It isn't buddying to say that I won't be putting a vote on someone I personally went through the trouble of confirming town.
So, Drop it.

Varsoon · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:12 pm

@Xiao: I read the Setup when Titus told me to and posted it in thread.

jmo16mla · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:13 pm

In post 2021, Varsoon wrote:@Saki: I don't know who you're responding to, please be more specific.

@JMO: It isn't buddying to say that I won't be putting a vote on someone I personally went through the trouble of confirming town.
So, Drop it.

and saki is confirmed town how?

Varsoon · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:15 pm

@JMO: Read the thread.
Saki's response to my CC and the pressure I put on Saki was genuinely town in response. Saki held fast to his claim, didn't try to use the CC to cull votes against me, and deployed rhetoric that was soundly town. While it might not be enough evidence for other players, from my interactions with Saki in the last 2000 posts, I've discerned that Saki is town.