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[TunnelVision]

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[CherryDrPepper]

Saki, who did you roleblock last night? there's high chance they are scum because you blocked their shot, unless scum shot the exact same target as me, which would be odd since i made it clear i was shooting Titus.

[Saki]

I'm going to admit that I was wrong about JMO.

I blocked JMO and no scum kill.

voila

VOTE: jmo11mla

[CherryDrPepper]

And yes i shot Titus, midway through the night my other head mentioned he also thinks xiao is scum, but i never suspected titus to flip town after what happened D1.

P-Edit: So you blocked jmo, ok i'll sheep that

VOTE: jmo

Do not quicklynch tho, we don't wanna end the day early without everyone discussing.

[TunnelVision]

I'd like to keep this day cycle going for a little bit, so let's not hang JMO immediately. I'll hold off on that vote until we have time to discuss everything. He's definitely going to hang today though.

In the meantime, we need to get an RC taken care of. We are the 1 shot investigator. We investigated Xiao and she came back innocent. That doesn't mean she's 100% cleared, of course, because there could very well be a godfather role out there, but it's worth knowing. If someone else hangs and turns out to be the godfather that means that Xiao is 100% cleared though.

Rank

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 2.0

[L-4] jmo16mla - Saki, CherryDrPepper

Not voting: Xiao Long, jmo16mla, Bulbazak, SalmonellaDreams, TunnelVision, Paschendale, Dyslexicon, oriole, Flench

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch! Deadline is Tuesday, August 20th, 2013, at 1:00 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-20 13:00:00)).

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[TunnelVision]

CherryDrPepper, can you please be specific about your role? I'd like to start narrowing down the field of possibilities here and figure out exactly what setup we've been given.

Rank

[Xiao Long]

Oh wow he flipped town?

I should have shot Xiao instead as my other head suggested...

Wouldn't have made a difference.

VOTE: Jmo

[Xiao Long]

Also, pretty sure Cherry is SK because who would be dumb enough to shoot Titus?

[CherryDrPepper]

CherryDrPepper, can you please be specific about your role? I'd like to start narrowing down the field of possibilities here and figure out exactly what setup we've been given.

Rank

Town Vigilante, which means I need at least VV to exist, I made a PR slip back then because I completely ignored the possibility of other PRs like Docs and Cops.

Night 1 I shot Titus yes, that's about it.

[Bulbazak]

Was going to do a giant catchup post, but I no longer think that's necessary, and it's best to deal with the current situation.

TV, Saki, Cherry, and Pasch are claimed or confirmed roles. Therefore they get put into the town pile. Oriole is town due to the genuineness of his scumhunting. Salm is town due to Stubbs's reaction at the end of d1. Xiao has been cleared by TV, but I think it's highly likely that there is a Godfather. He gets a pass for now, but I want to revisit this later. Flench I go back and forth on. Leaning town atm. I still think Jmo is a red herring, and I will explain why below. As for Dyslexicon, I remember not being as impressed by her posts as other people were. It seemed to be more of an illusion of scumhunting, rather than actual scumhunting.

Here's the setup as we know it: MBVVCXXX

I think Jmo is a red herring. I played with town Jmo in True Love, and he reacted similarly when he was pushed as scum and subsequently mislynched. I really don't see any scum intent in what he's doing, and the way he was being pushed yesterday, by Varsoon in particular, leads me to believe that he's town in this game too. And before you point out that Varsoon could have been distancing from Jmo, I don't believe that, as their exchanges did not look like distancing at all, but rather as Varsoon trying to push a mislynch.

For the record, I think that the setup should look closer to this: MBVVCDXX

People forget that there may well be a doctor in this setup, and the primary targets for last night would have been Pasch/Saki/Cherry, all of which were prime doctor protects as well. I think it is more likely that one of those 3 were protected, rather than Jmo carrying out the kill and being blocked.

Vote Dyslexicon

[jmo16mla]

Yo, not scum. Too many blocking/protecting roles to call me scum anyways.

[jmo16mla]

But yes, I bussed te living dog fuck out of my partner yesterday. Mhm.

[TunnelVision]

People forget that there may well be a doctor in this setup, and the primary targets for last night would have been Pasch/Saki/Cherry, all of which were prime doctor protects as well. I think it is more likely that one of those 3 were protected, rather than Jmo carrying out the kill and being blocked.

Vote Dyslexicon

The odds are low that there is a doctor although it's definitely possible. If a doctor protected someone last night successfully now would be the time to mention it before we hang JMO based on the RB action.

Question: Does a doctor know if they successfully protected someone from a kill, or do they just get a "you protect so and so" and that's it?

[Xiao Long]

Bulbazak: Any particular reason you think Dyx is scum? I think our "town vig" should have shot her last night, but that would have been logical.

Jmo: What is "Too many blocking/protecting roles to call me scum anyways" even supposed to mean?

[Saki]

Question: Does a doctor know if they successfully protected someone from a kill, or do they just get a "you protect so and so" and that's it?

I was not notified of whether I successfully blocked an action or not so I don't think that goes for doctors.

[jmo16mla]

Someone may have protected the NK with a doc protect. Scum could have also tried to kill Titus, I've see scum kill the vigged player before, I think it's pretty plausible, knowing saki I the RB, that scum no kill or kill Titus, setting up a

quick

mislynch today, keeping info from town with the quick lynch of the player saki RB'd.

[jmo16mla]

The above was at long.

[Xiao Long]

Sounds like you're squirming, but just to humour you, who do you think is scum?

[Bulbazak]

The odds are low that there is a doctor although it's definitely possible. If a doctor protected someone last night successfully now would be the time to mention it before we hang JMO based on the RB action.

Unless that doctor is 1-shot (which would confirm a full doctor anyway) they need to keep their mouth shut. I am not going to lose a valuable PR for this.

Question: Does a doctor know if they successfully protected someone from a kill, or do they just get a "you protect so and so" and that's it?

Doctors typically send in their protect and then watch what happens at the beginning of the next day phase. They are never told if their protect is successful or not.

P-edit: I think Dys is coasting and that her posts have not been evidence of genuine scumhunting like others seem to think. As for the vig choice, I actually agreed with it, as I thought Titus was scum of some flavor yesterday (and I think the same of you). Titus's death allowed the picture to be cleared up a bit. Dys's would not have done that.

[Xiao Long]

Except Titus was obvtown? It was a terrible choice for a NK. Even I would have been a better choice.

[Bulbazak]

If a good portion of the playerlist is thinking that Titus is scum, he was definitely not obv town.

[jmo16mla]

I'm not squirming. It made sence to me.

Fluench and stubbs/salmonella.

Edit: long, why

wouldnt

scum kill obv town?

Holy fuck stop posting so I can post.

[Bulbazak]

Jmo, explain your scumreads.

[Xiao Long]

Edit: long, why

wouldnt

scum kill obv town?

I meant terrible choice for a vig nk. It would be a good choice for scum. Which is why I think Cherry is SK.