Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

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No cool green lantern meme's. I'll have to make a few.

/confirm

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5 moer gusy!

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NIKANOR. <33
Oh god its kondi.
Can we please organize a policy lynch on this guy? Reference available upon request. (HINT: READ FIRE EMBLEM MAFIA.)

baaa

Vote:Andrius

OH WAIT
<3

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@Mr. Subliminal: We don't even know what the black vs. white mechanics are going to be yet. And obviously now, as it seems that not everyone is going to get their first choice.

My choices were:
Colored
black/white
non-lantern

Andrius could be cult. He loves white lanterns, so why put it last in the selection?

@mastin and Nikanor: Guy Gardner is one of the human green lanterns (there are like 3 or 4 in the course of the series). Gardner=second possible choice for the ring that chose Hal Jordan. In other words, he and hal don't really get along

STOP NINJAING ME

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@Oversoul: See my post. 2 lanterns from the same planets...shouldn't happen

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@mastin and Nikanor: Guy Gardner is one of the human green lanterns (there are like 3 or 4 in the course of the series). Gardner=second possible choice for the ring that chose Hal Jordan. In other words, he and hal don't really get along

Why did you feel the need to (incorrectly) answer for inhim here?
All four GLs were present in both BNM and BDM IIRC.

No I'm not incorrect. Beginning of GL series had the two of them go from rivals to bffs really quickly. THought it made sense from a millers perspective.

I felt the need to answer the question because I know a decent amount of flavor?

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@Andrius: Given that he said that in the giant 25 previews I got whilst creating that post, STFU.
also, your speculating too much.

We don't even know who the scum is, which of white/black is cult, how the non-lanterns are going to fit in...all spec and no hunting, aside from some ooba-defense and mastin buddying....interesting *takes notes*

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We don't even know white/black is cult

You know that there is a cult (the Black Lanterns).

Oops. Well, that doesn't auto-mean white=anti-cult either. Sooo yeah.

@Candle Jack: My speculation thus far has been "don't speculate so much. For all we know white could be the cult (yeah i know i missed it its been a while since i signed up for the game)

How is my tone passive?

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@Andrius: you should know just as well as anyone that missing flavor does not indicate allignment

^^Vote on me was bad.

All I can say in regard to the ppl who think andy and I are a possibly scum-team is that it shouldn't be a surprise for me to go after/question him given that we know each other IRL (aka I need to get a certain read on him to avoid the whole I-don't-want-one-of-us-dead-D1 feeling)

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^^Vote on me was bad.

Hello, scum.

Voting me for being an idiot when kondi and vezok are in the game? Do you not see the problem here?

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I'd rather

I'm town

lynch Toast second. Just look at that

sheep me

bus.

Are you referring to my vote or Andrius' vote?

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OMFG IM TALKING ABOUT ANDRIUS' VOTE *facepalm*

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@Andrius: you should know just as well as anyone that missing flavor does not indicate allignment
^^Vote on me was bad.
All I can say in regard to the ppl who think andy and I are a possibly scum-team is that it shouldn't be a surprise for me to go after/question him given that we know each other IRL (aka I need to get a certain read on him to avoid the whole I-don't-want-one-of-us-dead-D1 feeling)

^^ ARE ARROWS REFERRING TO WHAT I SAID.

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@Toog: Not sure who I'm sheeping tho, given that my Andrius vote is, you know, my usual promise to vote Andrius in RVS in every game we play together.

oh, and the "baa" was actually supposed to be silly-me pretending to get on a kondi wagon but then being like LOLJK. Guess it didn't come across properly.
Nonetheless, I think I'm being voted more for my in-thread posts on Andrius then pseudo-sheeping.

I personally would like to know if LLD was drunkposting.

I don't like the half-hearted attack against Kondi and Vezok by Toast though, when he says he shouldn't be called idiotic over those two.

well, I must say I would not like to be put in the same category as the two of them. In all honesty, I've never had a problem with vezok other than that he doesn't say much and would be a bitch to deal with in Lylo. As for kondi....yeah, I have him partially-blacklisted, but I couldn't resist this game.

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@tans: you're Larfleeze again?

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well, I'll comment on the rest of the thread after monster hunter, but..

And this completely justifies your actions?

See, I find myself in awe at the huge hole in your argument. What actions? Unless you can provide said actions, I simply cannot find your case credible.

My actions thus far into the game:
1) random voting u
2) thinking about the miller claim
3) Making a mistake about the cult
4) questioning you, defending self, primarily for being called an idiot and voted for it.

So which part do u have a problem with?

It's almost as bad as inHim voting me based on an action, me responding with why said vote was BS, him acknowledging that he misunderstood me, and then him keeping the vote there

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ooba, would you

you scum?

have self-voted if

don' kill me

you rolled a 14?

Does stuff like this have a point to it?

@CandleJack: You still need to answer what makes my tone passive and WHY a passive tone is scummy.

Just a LITTLE spec: Seems like non-lantern is a smaller group, given that a lot of people had it as first choice and didn’t get it. I think its safe to say that colored will be the largest group.

I mean, like halftheplayerlist hasnt even posted yet D1, so if you somehow KNOW that all the scumbags are already here then good for you scumbag.

So I’m not allowed to post my thoughts on the players in the game? Ok. But last time I checked, if someone posted something scummy, I can call them out on it.

Idiot.
Unvote, Vote: ToastyToast

Proof that you voted me for being an idiot.

CandleJack asking for a claim already pings me as scummy (even if its only a name-claim).

Do you agree that Toast is

hot sex

Andy's buddy?

ugh. Posts like this are really annoying, but it doesn’t really give alignment.

@inHim: Explain to me why your vote is still on me.

Hm. Main problem I have with Toog atm is the post in which he votes LLD. If he didn’t like what I said about vezok and kondi, why is he content with using a random vote instead of someone he has infor on?

Tans you need to clarify what you meant. You obviously want to talk about it.

Black and White = 2 cult factions ?
Others = victims, must eliminate both cults ?

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ReaperCharlie did not help create the set-up for this game. I highly doubt that dana wouldn’t learn from his mistakes and add a second cult to the game, only revealing one

Oh alright. There's a cult and a mafia faction who are anti town. A white and the others who are pro-town, except the white may have some hidden agenda. If inhim's truthful, there's prolly Red in the game (<3).

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URG Then u switch with back to vezok?! And add two FoS’ without explanation?
Ok…so you changed your vote why?

@hiplop: What was vezok’s scumslip? “Pretty sure” also suggests that its not a scumslip at all

Hm. Toog is coming off as a little overdefensive with regards to LLD

I'm also missing the Toasty-vote logic. Seems like a bit of a townslip, if anything.

The cult confusion thing? Well, it certainly isn’t a townslip (there are many factions that have the ability to not know who the cult is).

@Andrius: you should know just as well as anyone that missing flavor does not indicate allignment

Whats that supposed to mean.

It means your reasons for voting me are shit-tastic

^^Vote on me was bad.

Almost as good as your sister, actually.

She’s taken. Also, by saying this and bringing it to mafia, you are handing over the rights to use the names of all your relatives in ways that will make you very uncomfortable. Your mom, on the other hand—she’s VERY comfortable atm.

Ok so now you go ahead and set yourself up for a later "OH I DIDNT REALLY MEAN TO VOTE ANDY I JUST ALWAYS DO IT" crap ploy.

…but I do always vote you how could you forget?

it shouldn't be a surprise for me to go after/question him given that we know each other IRL

And this completely justifies your actions?

Eh, it does given that it was a response to the idea that we are possible buddies. Its simply not scummy to pay attention to someone who knows you really well/ who you know really well.

Voting me for being an idiot when kondi and vezok are in the game? Do you not see the problem here?

vezok claimed white you dipshit. So don't go there. kondi is a policy lynch and why do that when you have SCUM TO LYNCH.
Namely you.

You clearly voted me for being an “idiot.” And unless you truly believe that I’m a good policy lynch, my point stands. So don’t start this whole routine of you trying to get all abusive because I’m not doing what you want me to. Yeah, it is suspicious for YOU to vote ME for IDIOTLOLZMOMENTS.

I think inhim is town and shooting him would be the worst shot ever.

Agree here 100%

given that my Andrius vote is, you know, my usual promise to vote Andrius in RVS in every game we play together.

I wasn't aware of this.

That’s because you’re great at paying attention.

I personally would like to know if LLD was drunkposting.

What does this have to do with anything?
OH WAIT. IT DOESNT.

Did I say it had to? I just thought the post was funny.

AHHHHHHHH. You mean Black before white?

Michael Jackson?

Hypocritical much?

Black and White = 2 cult factions ?

Possibly.

But very implausible given the last game.

And what was this "role based" hiplop gave?
I have no idea what hiplop is talking about. If players MAGICALLY CONVERT mid-game like the shitfest of Black Lanterns in BNM I'm going to murder dekes and dana.
-AKW

This is true and should be clarified

@Vezok: Who the F is Freezer?

So, people (who have posted) that are slipping towards scummy: nopoint, Andrius, hiplop, tans

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^^Toog too

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You called yourself less idiotic than them, like it should be taken for fact, which is what I didn't like.

Welll, I do think it should be taken for fact, so....Thats like saying chesskid isn't a troll. I have never been the target of a policy lynch.
I do apologize for saying that (vezok and kondi), I got frustrated for being called an idiot.

Also, didn't realize ppl were doing this, so.
In addition to my choices, I got what I wanted (colored lantern)

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Does that make sense from a flavor-perspective? Was Larfleeze a "good guy" in Brightest Day? Or is he at least not likely to be SK or Mafia this time around?

Larfleeze can always be town, because his character is largely self-motivated and as such he'll help out if he gets something out of it. So, its plausible but I could definitely see Larfleeze as some other 3rd party type role this time around.

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Well, in the last game he did? (Or was it just names?)

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Just double-checked. They did have full fake-claims in the last one (with the exception of pictures)

@nopoint: So you think tans' claim is truly town? Also, to me,

Back to scum hunting,
1> I don't think Toog is scummy.
2> The miller claim was a null leaning town and I wouldn't suggest lynching/vigging him.
3> tans Larf's claim seems legit.
4> Andy's wagon is funky

Doesn't give the WHY that is necessary in most instances of scum-hunting. Getting major scum vibes from this one.
I'd like both Andrius and nopoin to respond to what I said in my last post. Bouncing in-between the two of them atm.

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must have forgotten about it in all the games we've played together Y? oh yahhhhh

I've voted you in every game of skype mafia too

Clarify please. So we're not scummy? Just moving there as you decide whether or not to push these lynches? Because I find tans very town ATM.

Wanted everyone on the list to answer to my suspicions. The only person who has failed is nopoint.

Unvote:Vote:Nopoint

Also, I find tans very town atm too now that he explained it.

I'm still down for a massclaim. Think the game is breakable (even to a degree- destroying the scumteam/Cult would be worth it IMO)

que?!?!?!?! Like, a full mass-claim??

*If ToastyToast is scum, these names are both town. If ToastyToast is town, then one of marco/Ghost is scum, but the other's town. Essentially, those three names contain one scum, no more and no less.

Is this based on PoE or...?

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME REALLY SLOWLY WHY ANDRIUS IS SCUMMY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
Seriously there are five people on the wagon and about thirty people (at least half of which are probably scum) saying "yup Andy sure is scummy!" without voting him. Nobody else finds that a bit suspicious?

I agree with this, which is why I'm changing my vote for the moment.
But I'll summarize my reasons:
1) Using Dumb-moments and Scum-moments as synonyms
2) Role-fishing
3) Too much speculation

I THINK WE HAVE A SK/OTHER GROUP WITH CRAZY WINCON HERE BECAUSE OUR TOWN WINCON NECESSITATES A TOWNIE LEFT ALIVE, THEREFORE SOMEONE CAN WIN WHEN EVERYONE IS DEAD.

Well black lanterns=dead.

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And when I say massclaim, I mean names only.

Why do you need names if its the factions that make it breakable?
We could just say which corps/non-lantern group we are in

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Why is the quoted post scummy: Because you described Andrius's speculation as "interesting" when clearly you meant "scummy".

So my

diction

is scummy? Really? If you could clearly tell that I meant scummy, then my point obviously came across. Anyone who didn't get the tone imbedded in the word "interesting" isn't trying very hard.

Why is being passive scummy? Because there are two parts of a scum mindset that favor being passive - wanting to avoid scumhunting (admittedly not as strong here due to known multiscum) and the survival motive (being active tends to make enemies which can get scum lynched).

?? I am being active? I am scum-hunting? ok.....

Can you seriously not figure out why I would question Andrius over hiplop's ROLEBASED attack on vezok? Or are you refusing to do so because you're scum and want a mislynch?

@hiplop: What was vezok’s scumslip? “Pretty sure” also suggests that its not a scumslip at all

So, people (who have posted) that are slipping towards scummy: nopoint, Andrius, hiplop, tans

As you can see, I did take issue over hiplop. Not to mention that I put him in my scummy list, not you. Also, I didn't ask you to elaborate.
Given the fact that I had ONE ISSUE with you and didn't put you on my scum-list, how can you say I'm trying to get a mislynch? Someone's being defensive and nit-picky....

And I think I know why you questioned Andrius. But over-reacting like that and coming so close to claiming? Yeah, I would generally consider to be more protective of their name. Also, you were attacking Andrius for crumbing Saint Walker, which is small compared to the other reasons for voting him.

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So, what happens when we spend, say, three game days focusing lynches on Cult (assuming 4-5 kills per cycle [lynch x2, Mafia kill, SK kill, Vig kill?), managing to get a few of them but not finding the leader? Well, unless we managed to accidentally catch a Mafioso or two along the way we probably LOSE, because that would leave about 10 players alive and we're probably dealing with a larger-than-normal Mafia group.

This is interesting, but I think we should at least hear the results of ooba's LET"S FIND TEH CULT search before gettin' all up on him

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Oh, I'm sorry. That should read "This is good." Don't want to be confusing anyone.

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I'm still torn between name claim and not

People who are against a mass name claim are suspect in my book.

?????

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Explain?? I got some weird "Message was deleted" PM, if thats what ya'al are talkin about

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dana just made a mistake and sent a copy to the wrong person. That doesn't really say one thing or another about Toasty's role.

No, I figured it out. Wasn't from dana.

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All I have to say to that is
1) Never called CJ scum. People need to stop thinking that.
2) Nothing wrong with waiting to see if this self-proclaimed "CR hunt" is actually worthwhile

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Toasty, why do you think hiplop is scummy?

His whole "vezok needs to die due to role info that isn't actually role info" thing
He also has been tunneling since his first post.

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@Toog: How could there be a coordinated "fake" mod guilty? If the others involved too say that they have a mod-guilty, then it cannot be ignored. If Nikanor is lying and the other two disagree...that's another story, isn't it.

Ugh, I have a bad experience with governors, but I guess it makes sense for any faction given the whole double-lynch thing. Willing to listen to Tans.

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Unvote:Vote:Toog

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@Tans: Last game had a Mason Recruiter. 3-man masonry wouldn't surprise me.

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@Tans: Plz expand your view on Ooba-town via role PM

*reads Andrius' words*
*looks at ooba's claim*
*looks at Andrius not voting ooba*
*spreads arms wide*

Um, Toog hadn't been lynched at the time of that post

If Toog is anything but cult recruiter, we are better off directing his vig shot before lynching him regardless of anything else the basics.

This leads me to believe that Subliminal has a large chance of being scum with Toog.

@Ooba: Even considering that you self-governor is anti-town. WHy did you need to ask the mod? Did you WANT to use the governor on yourself?

Someone explain to me why inhim is town.

Because he claimed miller and isn't scummy

Hm. Find it strange that both Tans and Ooba (the claimed oranges) went after WLC. Coordinated assault?

Um what? Wouldn't that just make him dumb/unobservant? Unless he deliberately left it out which I don't think he'd do as its easily cross-verifiable.

Idiot.
Unvote, Vote: ToastyToast

lolk

Vote:Ooba

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@nopoint: Why would cult get a bland fake-claim? He needs to target people. Hence, he's trackable. Hence, he does not have a VT fake-claim.

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OKAY. But governor? Lex Luthor?

Well, in that case it could just be a scum governor.
I get your point, just saying cult recruiter is probably not a VT and may be something to look for later on.

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@Andrius: And Magna was BP, so it makes sense.

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I'm going to have to FORCEFULLY come out and shove my reads down their fucking throats until they see what I see.

...kinky?

Also, of those 4 names, 2 are more likely scum than inHim. Its not a matter of us just ignoring your reads as much as it is you are basically fighting for inHim scum, which in my opinion he's just not. He claimed miller. There were no counter-claims. He's not someone to go after right now. LLD, compare inHim's play here to DEFCON or any other game he's played in. Its the exact same tactics, regardless of alignment. If you can give me a long list of scummy things inHim has done, MAYBE i'll reconsider, but the whole rage thing isn't working in your favor atm.

he's the Cain to my Abel.

The Erk to my Serra? The Hector to my Eliwood? The Lethe to my Ike?

PEDIT:
@Oversoul: Hm. GW seems odd to have way at the bottom of your list with Andrius. Could you explain that one? Also, is your list in order?

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Why would CJ have an inability to change votes as his role. Someone did this to him. A vote freeze is scummy/probably a scum power.

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Someone, if you disagree strongly about there being two scumteams (by which, I mean, two separate mafia teams), please shoot it down. Now. Ideas grow like a parasite when left unchecked.

I say we wait to see what happens during night before we speculate on this. Having two scum teams means we have to take out the cult FAST as well.

@Kast: why is it so hard to believe that CJ doesn't know what's going on? You think he froze his own vote? Makes no logical sense. If anything, what just happened makes him significantly MORE town.

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If ooba is likely mafia, why not VOTE HIM WHEN HE"S ONE AWAY FROM GETTING LYNCHED!

Also, It makes him town.

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It could be a passive ability, which is what I was thinking. Like, placing a vote on said person freezes it. Most day-powers require sending a PM before something happens. If said person felt that CJ was likely to move his vote, it makes sense for them to freeze it.

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Yes, I see where your going. But what makes him more likely cult than town? thats what I don't get.

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@matin: "lights" would be plural because there are 3 colors mentioned. Hence, there are multiple lights. Learn basic grammar plz.
*facepalm*Also, dana wouldn't just destroy someone's fake-claim

PEDIT: Indigo does there own thing. Just like every single lantern corp.
Indigo feel compassion regardless of what they have done, hence why they recruit that black lantern guy.
Green are fearless but also reckless
Star Sapphires will hurt anyone who is a threat to

their

cause
Orange only hurts you if you have something it wants
Yellow = Machiavellian
Blue is probably the only completely pure corps

@Andrius: Sinestro could be a town white lantern for that very reason. Its Brightest Day

Part One

, which means its going to be more about the status of characters in brightest day immediately after blackest night. Also, Sinestro isn't really the bad guy of Brightest Day. This does not clear him as scum, but your speculation is wrong.

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@muffin: I think LLD was a more likely vig shot.
But two kills? Guess we need another night phase b4 speculating on the amount of factions. Doubt cult has a kill, unless it has something to do with the daykill (but thats probably SK)

okay so
Frozen Mirrors opinions:
-vezok has a scummy person as a claim
-Andrius is being fake town
-nopoint needs to be clearer
-hiplop is probably town after the mason claim
-Tans fake claim similar to Kast fake claim in the last game

LLD opinions:
LLD uses red to say there are not 2 cult factions in black AND white. Note: She flipped deadman. Mr. Subliminal is telling the truth about his role and the white lanterns.
Against the Ooba vote
inHim is scum (lolwut?)
One of

mastin

-subliminal(white)-inHim(MILLER)-oversoul(???) is scum
Argues with Tar
Kill was probably done by Indigo

yeahhhhh LLD was def the vig shot. But...oversoul connections? Hm.

Mastin opinions:
The following are scum:Andrius, Candle, nopoint, Kast, Bogre/Friend, (ToastyToast?*), marco/Ghost*
--Later takes myself and Friend off his list
oversoul is newbtown
His reads all follow his list
Notes: Nikanor was the daykillers first target. Both found CJ to be scummy.

Total Connections:
CJ: 2
Andrius: 2
Oversoul: 2
nopoint: 2
Everyone else: 1
So thats our lynch pool.

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What mason claim? I ain't no mason

No. He said that the mason claim of the Nikanor grp made him believe you (no idk the connection)

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Yeah, listing 4 people who were already suspicious, two of which were on my previous scum-list. STFU with your biased conclusions

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WTF is this shit? Catching up on 5 pages, and I'm not SK. Will claim

And fuck you Andrius I told you I had to go shopping today.

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THIS IS BULLSHIT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.
NIKANOR IS COPYING THE SCUM-GAMBIT FATE PULLED IN FIRE EMBLEM MAFIA

I'm Star Sapphire, JAILKEEPER.
I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means
1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me
2) I'm too hot to not be in this game
3) Nikanor may have been the target of a kill, but he also had bulletproof. CALLING EVIL CULT OF FAKE MASONS

So don't you guys dare even think this isn't a one on one. Lynch nikanor or lynch me.

Vote:Nikanor

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A mason whose investigative, bulletproof, and can pass through my ability? Yeah there's no way in hell thats town.

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THEN DO IT NOW

AND THEN YOU GET LYNCH NEXT YOU IDIOT

I'm overreacting? I just got called scum by someone I BLOCKED AND PROTECTED. You think you're so good at this game, but guess what? your win-con makes leading town impossible.

Oh, and I will flip town. And then I will laugh and laugh as all the scum dissappear for their shitty plan.
Nikanor was in Fire Emblem remember?

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Would you like me to fake claim SK and tell you to lynch me?
LYNCH ME OR NIKANOR NOW

KEEPING ME ALIVE KEEPS NIKANOR ALIVE TOO

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A mason whose investigative, bulletproof, and can pass through my ability? Yeah there's no way in hell thats town.

With Subliminal claiming to give people their white rings that is actually very possible

You're just worried because you are one of the scum on my list of four.
Nikanor is cult and the PM's were him recruiting

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Toast, all I will say is that no one ever said it was NIK's action that got the investigation result. Goddamn you're dense. MASONS. QT. BP. FIGURE IT OUT.

What happens when I flip town? Then the masons aren't masons. Nik lost his BP.

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You need a wake-up call. You aren't even trying. So get you kicks and vote me so you can all laugh in glee until I flip Town.

And then get ready to be sent to your death for killing my all-loving self

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Toast STFU and kill as Nik and Co. tell you to.

/enddiscussion

DOn't even try to pressure me. Modkilling myself gives town a better chance of winning than keeping me or Nik alive does.

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Role PM says ANY player cannot be targetted by another, NOR can they target anyone else.

I will ask to clarify, but the wording makes it seem like it will block whoever I target--kills, recruitments, any action

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@Andrius: BECAUSE HE LIED DIPSHIT.

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omg read what you wrote. its a response. NIKANOR

I don't want this to be a topic of discussion.

UNOFFICIALLY DUELING NIKANOR

If one of us is not lynched soon town is filled of idiots who can't put two and two together.

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@Nikanor: You dumbass. I jailkept you because you were already the target of one kill, whose to say you wouldn't be the target of another. If you truly are a mason then wouldn't it make sense for you to be the target of a night kill?
I also figured that, if town, you wouldn't have any more additional powers. The "cop" thing happened in the day, and you lost your bulletproof. In my mind I was essentially giving you back bulletproof status.

Terrible gambit. You risk taking down a masonry if someone flips town? Thats bullshit. You are scum and you are not getting out of this one. I want you dead as soon as I flip town. Classic "oh shit!" backpedaling.

HE LOST HIS BULLETPROOF ANDRIUS. READ READ READ READ.

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As the battle continues, a bright Indigo light lances out, mingling with various Green, Red, and Orange lights in the area, before hitting a target. Though meant to kill, the beam is stopped short, shredding the protection of its target. Though alive, this hero now lacks protection from death.

CLAIM THAT SHOT NOW.
CLAIM IT CLAIM IT CLAIM IT.
TOWN =/= BULLETPROOF.
FOR FURTHER EVIDENCE READ LAST GAME.
BULLETPROOFS WERE SCUM, SCUM, AND SCUM.

Actually I'm bulletproof so this theory is terrible. Scum probably tried to daykill me.

Then why the fuck did you say this?
Talk about misleading. And no one else claimed the one-shot BP. So.....

@Andrius: They will after I flip town. And it BETTER HAPPEN. Ok, I'm getting REALLY FUCKING PISSED OFF so I need to get off this computer and go for a walk.

@Blackberry: putting off one of our lynches is terribad? Why? because as long as I'm alive I will not relent on Nikanor.

The ability's name is Scumhunting. Each day, I may claim a guilty result on someone. The results I can get are, "scum," "mafia," "hostile," "cult," "sk," and "third-party." If I target town, I lose this ability.

If you target town you:
1) Failed miserably
2) Should logically be lynched for causing a mislynch
3) Should never gambit again
4) Are incredibly anti-town

Or of course
C) BB and TT are scumbuddies

You forgot
D) Andrius is scum hopping on a fake wagon with

GLEE

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TT - Why were you so certain Nikanor was being serious in his claim, and not faking it, as someone suggested earlier?

? Because he was right the first time. I also think its a really bad gambit.

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ah, no ring

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@tans: Clarification recieved. I was right about having the typical jailkeep format

@muffin: A gambit that I'm really fucking pissed off about. I'm going to have a hard time agreeing with that right now, but w/e I'll try to cool down
And you are right

Unvote

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And seriously anyone with a brain could see that I was faking the second investigation, considering I had claimed BULLETPROOF already who faked a result the day before, so there should have been no harm in claiming an SK result.

I'm supposed to automatically know that your faking a result? I also don't recall you saying anywhere that your result D1 was fake b4 your shitty gambit continued.

A claim is a claim, and as such its the proper reaction to say why that claim is impossible. What was I supposed to, just say "LOLFAKE" and watch myself get lynched? Was I supposed to keep my alignment secret?

I chose you because I thought if you were town you would be the target of a NK, as "someone had tried to kill you." Obviously if you had a permanent bulletproof, it means you have lied on multiple occasions. So yeah, there's no way in hell you are going to get my trust back, and I'm not going to blindly be led by your bullshit.

FTR I almost picked muffin, but because he was unclaimed (could've blocked a PR) and was acting a bit differently than a recent newbie game we were in together, I decided against it
SINCE YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE THE TARGET OF THE KILL, I protected you, with the thought that you would have no other night action. Then you did your whole gambit thing...what the hell am I supposed to think?

Put yourself in my situation. Someone you blocked claims they get an investigative result on you. The result they get is completely incorrect. And your telling me that an over-reaction = scummy? With Andrius creating a shitstorm how was I supposed to keep quiet?
If it was

so obviously

fake (which it wasn't ) then why did you even say it? To force a PR to claim? There is no pro-town motive behind pulling that--because if its followed upon and your wrong, you lead the town on a wild goose chase. Seriously, I deserve an apology.

And why does my reaction suggest Mafia Roleblocker? Would a town roleblocker say "oh, it was so obviously fake!"? Would a town roleblocker just let it slide? Would they lie about their results?

Oh, and there was plenty of harm in claiming an SK result.

@Tans: How so? Besides, its not like dana would say "HEY GUSY YOU A JAILKEEPER BUT IT ONLY WORKS SOMETIMES"

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ah, allignment=role pm

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@Nikanor: I needed to claim because my action counters what your claim was. Given that you talk in small posts, it's pretty easy to miss. Need I remind you that missing something doesn't show allignment. Comparing it to a newbie game is also poor. When someone claims something that contradicts what you yourself did, you have a duty to recognize it. Again, it was pretty obvious that your claim WAS being taken seriously, so if I had just been like "LOLNO" without an explanation I would've been in the exact same situation, except you would've asked me to claim.

Also, I was using your words, I don't think it was an over-reaction. Hence I explained why it was common sense.

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@CJ: How is this not obvious? Yes, I thought he was town. Then he claimed a result on me that was 100% impossible to have. So yeah, now I don't even remotely trust him and think he's scum. Common, logical sense.

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Also, why are you only saying what happened from Nikanor's perspective? That was NOT a joking tone, and that was NOT an overreaction

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Toast, for Nik to be scum, Friend, muffin, and hiplop would have to be scum as well, and that doesn't seem too plausible.

Yeah, I get it. I was very pissed, as I have said repeatedly.
However, 1) They are still very unclear as to what they are. Muffin saying its safe to assume that they're all town but not explicitly saying such is odd. I can think of a few other possibilities that would cause them to think this way, however.
2) I was in a game with Nikanor in which the scum-team fake-claimed masons and won. So yeah, the connection worries me a lot.

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Even though I said that I sent them out at the beginning of this Day phase...
Anywho, WLC or Apok?

I think I just got confused
eh Id prefer vezok more than anyone still

Was this message special and game related? Like, was it just something role-related or something that causes you to believe another player had targeted you?

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@Subliminal: What do you think hiplop's response means?

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@WLC: There's a difference b/w faking a guilty and asking people if they received a PM.

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@CJ:
1) I feel like your failing to see how it's a completely logical for me to have counter-claimed a result. Also, people obviously did believe Nikanor's claim, and as such to say that it was joking from a sentence that

I got a Serial Killer result on Toasty at the beginning of the day.

has absolutely not tone suggesting "JOKES" is what upsets me. What about this post gives you a joking tone?

2) We had claimed best friends and claimed masons. Claimed masons did so in a similar manner that Nikanor did (D1, ppl weren't under a lot of suspicion). Also, I'm dropping the whole Nikanor is cult thing--I was just really pissed off at him

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@Muffin: I see where your coming from, but there isn't really a scum motivation for Mr. Subliminal's gambit either. I think he simply had an idea that didn't work as well as he thought it would.

Also, I agree with inHim's list with the exceptions of vezok and tans, who I'm not willing to call town at this point

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My name in the role PM is in yellow. I thought I was a yellow lantern.

Anyways this whole thing WLC is doing is more reason for him to die.

Why is you making a dubious mistake reason for me to die? I'm a firm believer of 'lynch all liars' (that's why I don't like the fakeclaims either, it's another form of lying, which I think town should never do).
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing your story. You're telling me that during at least your first seven posts you had not realized you were a white lantern, but thought you were a yellow lantern? Could be you're really telling the truth, but you have to admit it is kinda strange. At what point did you realize it?

If he was scum why would he even say that?

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If TT and Andy are town.. this will be fucking funny tonight

If you make us lovers I'm going to kick a baby.

but it'll be

our

baby

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Fucking love Bang (the game).
We had a 10-person bang session once.
Pretty freaking awesome.
'
WAITING FOR FLIP.

What reminded you of bang? lol
Playin teh Indians. Banging all of you.

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Hint: Posting in game threads you're not a player in is awesome.
And a way to get your post deleted.
Flip updated for consistent terminology.

??!?!? lol but I'm ToastyToast. Don't ask about the icon.

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V/LA from 13-14 and 17-20

So yeah I guess its a pseudo V/LA

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Hey Toast, since I think you're the only one who will get this I'm going to softclaim to you.
My role this game could count as an Encore role, with a town alignment of course.

D: so its something you've been b4? dkfjiugrhuaDAMMIT IM ON VACATION NOW I HAVE TO REMEMBER THINGS

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I NEED A BETTER HINT
CHARACTER NAME OR ROLE? Then I can figure it out

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I think I get it. Also, I found internet access but its limited.
So yeah.

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@nopoint: Like you can take credit for anyones lynch...
Peregrine is a bad lynch for today...he hasn't done anything. People who are scummy outweigh that.
Hm. My 3 choices would be:
WLC, oversoul/vezok, Kast.

I could see Kast as a potential cult recruit, but not cult recruiter.

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lol he used it on oversoul?

VOTE: vezok Gotta be cult. Also support WLC death

Why is Oversoul a bad target again? OH WAIT HE'S NOT

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Checking in after a four hour blackout. yes, i'm okay with that plan

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BLACKOUTS AND 100 DEGREE WEATHER.
TROLOLOLOLOL

Dude I even had to pee in the dark

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@WLC: Thats why we gave our "3 most suspicious lists." We're all okay with it. We are thinking for ourselves.

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If you claimed a cop read on me, I obviously would be wrong about you not having a power *facepalm*
I claimed jailkeeper because your result would have been impossible to get. Common sense. If someone claims something that CANT HAPPEN, they are LYING ABOUT IT. LYING IS SCUMMY EVERYTIME.

So no, you are using the basic fallacy of a false conclusion, putting two points together and saying that it means I am contradicting myself.
I claimed because you lied about a result. It does not change the fact that

THE NIGHT in which I sent my night action

, I could not have known that you would try to pull the shitty gambit.

@Blackberry: Not only am I not aware if there was a doctor in the game, I also found Nikanor the most suspicious out of the "claimed masons who aren't actually masons" group. Note my "hmm cult recruiter" stuff that I now know is impossible

Guess what? PEOPLE CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE REASON FOR PLACING AN ACTION.
I had three reasons for jailkeeping you
1) If town, you were a likely NK target
2) Of all the "claimed grp," I doubt that you would have an additional power
3) If cult, you wouldn't be able to recruit

The fact that you lied about an investigation result which forced me to claim in order to expose the fact that YOU LIED-- WHICH I ALWAYS CONSIDER SCUMMY--NOT TO MENTION THAT I HATE GAMBITS--acts independently of my night actions because I could not know in advance what you were planning to do the following day. Think a little more plz.

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I agree that multiple roleblockers seems fishy Nikanor.

Even I agree with this, but Andrius is the odd one out.

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Your missing the point Nikanor. What I thought is irrelevant to what could have actually happened. You claimed a cop investigation on me early in the day, and it seemed as if you were suggesting a result at night. This is impossible. Bottom line is that I DID THE RIGHT THING by claiming, because doing so reveals that what you were saying was complete BULLSHIT, and if I hadn't claimed, I am 90% certain that I would be getting lynched today.
1)Stop pointing out a contradiction that ISNT a contradiction
2) Why this sudden upsurge in trying to get me lynched?
3) I hope you realize that anyone who has just been the target of a cop claim, town or scum, is bound to argue about why it cannot possibly be true.

YOU SHOULD LOOK BAD YOUR GAMBIT WAS A FUCKIN JOKE AND PISSED ME OFF

FOR THE LAST TIME:
I DID NOT THINK YOU HAD A NIGHT ACTION. YOU CLAIMED A COP RESULT. You used the word

I

. We know that your fake daycop was a "mason" ability. The logical thing to do when someone claims something that is impossible on multiple fronts is to counter-claim and explain why it was impossible. This is why I hate gambits. A failed one always leads to the perpetrator to adamantly say he was right and that it worked.

I reacted because I was being called a SK, which I know is not true and which would've been an impossible thing to get. Not to mention that with a CULT COP, a DAY COP IS REALLY FUKIN UNREALISTIC (not to mention that there is no way that would be more than one-shot with your bulletproof lie that made me do a stupid NA in the first place).

Nikanor, you have lied on multiple occassions, and I'm not going to believe anything you say at this point.

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If Ghostwriter reclaimed his spot, why hasn't he said anything/claimed yet?

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If GW isn't claimed by tonight, I'm hammering.

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TOAST WE NEED TO KILL HIM, HE KNOWS TOO MUCH

having all the baking related ppl as a mafia team would be something.

Vote:GW

Hammering the hammered.

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Toast, "OverTOAST", BB, Muffins, and Andrius-the-Baker

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....its his title lol.
Oversoul=overtoast cuz of his icon

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I jailkept Oversoul last night (as planned), so we know he did not perform a kill. Peregrine is the obv-vig-kill.

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Also, just out of curiosity - why are NONE of the claimed PR's dead? This raises a flag for me O_o.

claimed masons, especially when there are like 5...yeah.

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@BB:
I jailkeep
Tans steals powers
Andy has some sort of roleblock power ?? (this is an assumption based on D2)
vezok delays.

But I highly doubt TOWN has 4 variations of role-blocking powers.

I agree with the grp Kast picked out for where to look for teh CR, but he forgot to include himself.
1) I personally think BB would have more connections/people defending him if he was CR. He could be a member of the cult tho.
2) Maybe both WLC AND BB are cult. O.o.......
3) not seeing inHim so much, nor the reasons for mr. subliminal.

That leaves CJ and WLC for me.

CJ basically soft-claimed someone who survived to endgame as cult in the last game...would make a good fake claim flavor wise OR could be a starter cult member.

WLC's play has been very...middle ground and hidden. Perfect for a CR.

I'm also not buying the NOPOINt WAS ALL FOR LYNCHING WLC argument at all. Why? well, it makes sense for cult to protect their leader, but a cult esentially acts as a growing scum team. If an entire scum team is buddying with their godfather, and the godfather gets lynched, I'd say they'd lose pretty fast. Exact same thing could happen to a cult.

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yes...oversoul

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@CJ: Why Andrius and why nopoint? It seems like you were protecting people from likely vig shots rather than scumkills.

Vote:CandleJack

Also, I am in favor of a mass claim, or at least a claim from all of the possible cult recruiters.

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Who am I voting for, Andrius? Pretty sure CJ can be CR too

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Andy, when did you start suspecting Toast?

Since I started suspecting him. Like D1.

CJ isn't cult. CJ is mafia with Toasty, but I don't expect anyone to actually believe me. I mean, it's not as if I was right about Toog and GW. Hell I'm probably the worst goddamned player in this goddamned game. Like holy fuck I sure am terrible at scumhunting like idk why I even try like wowwww
On a different note I'm not actually reading the thread atm.

Because being right once means you will be right every time.

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@BB: If oversoul has claimed that his action went through, then he's lying.

Also, had no idea it was a one-shot. I don't think he claimed as such (perhaps it being a one-shot makes it immune to blocks?). I was just following the plan the was made during D2.

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@ToastyToast: Fucking trim your posts. There's no reason you needed a three screen wall for six lines of response.

Did you mean oversoul? I don't remember saying those quotes at all.

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If you are delayed Night 1, and Jailkept Night 2, you would still get your result from Night 1.

vezok, not myself, would be lying in this situation.
I could get into a lot of "WHY THE F WOULD I???" statements right now.

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@BB: I thought delayers simply meant if you act N1, you do not get the results of that action until night 2? confused...

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@BB:
Well either he or vezok is lying.

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@muffin:
1) I coast when I'm moving back to school
2) I coast when I'm a protective role (see my wiki)

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mmmk bb is town but dum, plz don't waste a cop on inHim of all people.

So subliminal or CJ....

CJ's protects are scummy and as such I think he is cult, but cult recruiter? still haven't decided.

subliminal...i suppose its still possible but I don't understand why he wuld try all the odd "gambits"

sooooo yeah mass claim.

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OMG u gusuy are mean to mean I am the sexy one that ryan reynaolds likes i swearsssssss it. but i have to go to sleep cuz of scool. and i need to pee . nbut i have a picture and its of te girl but she's ugllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. lkie why did dana pick that photo

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OMG u gusuy are mean to mean I am the sexy one that ryan reynaolds likes i swearsssssss it. but i have to go to sleep cuz of scool. and i need to pee . nbut i have a picture and its of te girl but she's ugllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. lkie why did dana pick that photo

get the fuck off no one wants to hear you drunk.

<3........

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@Toasty: Do you roleblock and protect your targets, or do you roleblock your target and make them untargettable?

untargettable

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Role PM says ANY player cannot be targetted by another, NOR can they target anyone else.
I will ask to clarify, but the wording makes it seem like it will block whoever I target--kills, recruitments, any action

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LOLU

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Reason why BLC can't fake-claim WLC?

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@Subliminal: stop trying to plan in a way that both scum and cult can work around

You white lanter ppl are anti-town.

@BB: Hunger games is a ripoff but a decent read.

I again agree with the need for a massclaim, especially given the fact that the person trying to manipulate night actions is unclaimed

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@Kdub: Being a claimed white lantern does not make them any less possible of a cult leader.
Also, using my actions to make someone not a cult recruiter while suggesting that I am a cult recruiter....Does. Not. Compute.

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Also,, wtf I never claimed orange I'm star sapphire. I'm part of the pseudo OLC, which consists of me, tans, and andrius (we all have blocking powers of sorts)

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Unvote. Vote: Mr Subliminal.

If Sublim isn't the recruiter, Toasty can JK Ludi tonight.
Looking at nopoint's flip, I'm thinking that recruits are vanillized. Therefore even if the cult recruited Andy or tans, they wouldn't have a roleblock.

But nopoint still seems to have died via suicide, which means not completely vanillized. Also, I agree with this plan.

Vote: Subliminal

His trying to take over the night actions is troubling and distracting with regards to finding the CR. He's part of the fake scenario that all WLC are confirmed town. He and other players are both consistently leaving him out as a possible recruiter. The rest of the reasons have already been said.

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ess direction. It's just running too well, and is sharp and focused and certainly isn't wallowing around at all.

I agree, because we shouldn't be allowing someone in the top 3 "Most Likely to Be Cult Recruiter" direct the town.
But yeah, if you're all about organization then why haven't you claimed yet?

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@Subliminal: Your motivation is that you are under suspicion as cult recruiter. Your unwillingness to claim whilst trying to control night actions is as infuriating as it is anti-town. So hurry the hell up and claim.

PEDIT: Well, already figured that one out.

PEDIT: Ok, plz GDIF then

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if so, I know who I'm targeting. Unless there's a secret vig lurking around here...

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*Nikanor is most likely Cult Recruiter.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

Then how did he recruit nopoint?

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@Subliminal: Scum/Cult with a WHITE FAKE CLAIM makes them...not anti-cult. Why is it so hard to get that someone is probably lying?

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I change my claim.

I am SK and am murdering Oversoul tonight.

You will believe this more when Oversoul ends up dead tomorrow morning.

=D

QUE?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!

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I targetted Ludi

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@blackberry: who did you target?

@everyone whose claimed: who did you target?

Ludi is by no means confirmed town....see, kdub thing could be a load of WIFOM, but that would only make sense if they planned it, which means kdub would've had to be recruited earlier.

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Go read that part of the game again and then come back to me.

I'm saying I agree with you on it being relatively impossible for you to be CR. That doesn't clear you from mafia.

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Possible happenings:
1) Oversoul is lying
2) Ludi is lying about being blocked
3) Andrius/one of the other roleblockers blocked me
--number 3 actually makes sense given that a few of the plans suggested my being blocked (though as to why...)

Why Ludi should still be lynched today...

"OMG LIEK OBVIOUSLY I CANT BE CR CUZ OF KDUB"
"HEY GUSY I WAS BLOCKED!!!!" ....well if I didn't then who did?

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**Oversoul's action doesn't say anything in regards to my allignment. There's a lot of blocking powers (some of which could be scum), and the only way that "no action" makes sense is if I do not actually have a power.

My not targeting anyone means someone else was interfering. Not to mention the fact that it was blatantly obvious that I would be tracked by Oversoul, and as such no action would be foolish on my part.

So yeah. I targetted Ludi. It didn't go through.

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_ _ _ _ _

Begin.

yeah, I'm waiting on claims too.
I still think Ludi-CR is possible, and probably the best lead atm.
One of the roleblockers is a recruit, and they targeted me.

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^O was for hangman BTW

_ _ O _ _

Also, me and you know who are trying to study. Seriously.

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A and R are WRONG. sooooooo yeah.

Note: its not trolling if you say something productive.

One problem with Nikanor is 1) I jailkept him and 2) Then we'd have to examine the whole WHEE we're all masons thing even more (for possible connections). Yes, I know the masons thing was BS, but it was sure coordinated well.

I'd be ok with his lynch if Ludi didn't flip CR, but I think Ludi > Nikanor

CR order:
Ludi
Nikanor
hiplop
Kast
*Anything after this point is 'fuckin unlikely*
Tans
Andrius
Oversoul
Vezok
Blackberry
zMuffin (Muffin is also my strongest town read)

Remaining scum are probably somethin like this, if we assume a 6 man team (bold is where I'm leaning)

Andrius

or vezok (their roleblocker)
-Andrius is the outright roleblocker; roleblockers are scummy; Andrius is already scummy. Vezok is vezok.

Oversoul or

Blackberry

(their investigative role)
This one is harder for me :/. I would say mafia cop is a perfect role for scum to fake claim, because they already know who teh mafiaz are.
Oversoul I see as more likely Cult with Ludi (which would also explain the whole "I NEVER MOVED" thing

*Tans or

Kast

(via PoE/connections)
Tans if we think there's a 3rd party, Kast if we think there's another mafia. No reason other than "townier than thou"

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I love the connections people are making with me.
1) With Andrius, who I consider to be my #1 choice for mafia and have considered him mafia since D1.
and
2) That I am a cult recruiter of Nikanor, who I went in a 1v1 with on D2.

right...

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That's fukin stupid.
Vezok is not OMGTOWN, and as such he should claim his action.

Everyone needs to claim, we already know their roles. Its also important to know a delay because it means SOME action will manifest itself during this night phase.

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Vezok not claiming is stupid. Whether or not Nikanor is a-ok, although I'd prefer him to be the second lynch, as I am more sure about Ludi as CR and think Ludi as CR would clear Nikanor as town.

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Toasty - OS confirmed you night 2 but is now condemning you. How do you explain that?

Andrius - where are hiplops and nikanors?

I think he was recruited, remember?

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OR one of the roleblockers is dying DERRRRRRR

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/OVERSOUL BECAUSE HE'S A RECRUIT *facepalm*

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@Andrius: You fail to grasp the idea that scum/cult lie.

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A redirector already flipped?

Its possible given that the mafia was HELLA WEAK in the last game, even with more than one team of them.

Also, since its obvious to me that one of the role blockers is lying, I guess I have to be lynched in order to expose it. Now, what would REALLY suck is if mod-error took place...certainly hope not.

Nonetheless, finding the CR is more important.

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someones asking for death

Vote: Nikanor

L-1

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Quickly here. Nikanor got jailkept by Toasty (the above L-1 voter) on night one. How did he possibly recruit nopoint in that situation?

Unless toasty is lying here. He actively lied by saying he jail kept me last night as well.

Hold on while I check if it is possible Toasty is the CR, who fakeclaimed jailkeeper and actions over the course of the game

Then why did Oversoul indeed say he was blocked? That should confirm that I have my power, correct?

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1) Because his last comment is scummy as fuck, because he's done enough anti-town things to warrant a lynch, because not being able to recruit one night does not mean he can't be CR, because I declared a 1v1 on him for the very reason that I thought he was a CR, which was then laughed of as LOL THEY BE MASONS---yeah, we saw how that went, didn't we? And because, if Nikanor ISNT CR, we know who to look to next. Namely, you.

2) I didn't lie. Someone else is lying. Thats the only answer I can give you. It could be that you recruited Oversoul, who is now framing me. It could be that Andrius or vezok roleblocked me. Or maybe someone fucked with Oversouls results. I can't give any other answer than that. It was fairly obvious that I would be jailkeeping you, and as such anyone connected to you could be helping out.

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You do realize we've already seen this issue? It IS possible that people can be recruited and killed in the same night.

Ludi. I think you're more likely CR than Nikanor. I think Nikanor is anti-town and still has a high chance of flipping CR. We have two lynches today, and today should be all about lynching the CR. Namely, you and Ludi. If lynching Nikanor is what it takes to get you lynched, so be it. I'm going to be lynched 2morrow regardless--can't get out of that one because of all these occurrences I can't explain.

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I can't do anything about it other than speculate. Do what you will, I've defended myself in regards to the night actions as best as I can. When I flip everyone will call SCHENANIGANS and I'm sure shit will go down.

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yep. that's exactly what i'm doing.

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Unvote:Nikanor

I already said like 1,000000 times that I think Oversoul is a recruit. thats the only explanation I have. Obviously, some shit went down last night, but I don't have some godlike insight as to why he got a result saying I didn't go anywhere. Him as a recruit makes the most sense

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This is so confusing. SO I jailkept OS, but lied about Nikanor and Ludi?

If a cult recruit, I could not have been recruited until N3.

If scum, lying to protect a CR AND declaring a 1 v 1 with them, calling them a CR....I'm sorry if you guys don't see the holes in this...

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Oh look the CR's are trying to call me a CR.

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^^Above post made me lol. sounds like something I would say.

OS: The thing is SOMEONE is lying about this whole mermermernoactionmer schenanigans, and it makes sense for you to be it.

I actually agree with your lynch order tho, so..

[ToastyToast]

You'll get one post from me before my V/LA. <3

PITBULLLL

[ToastyToast]

My only question is why did toasty lie twice if he was town, or even if he was mafia?

I didn't lie at all, so STFU and stop asking leading questions based on nonexistent evidence that you probably placed intentionally to get a mislynch off me.

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"LIEK OMGG CUZ NOPOINT TOTES HAD TO HAVE BEEN RECRUITED NIGHT ONE!!!"
He could have started off with a recruit. You are attempting to outguess the mod.

So I was able to jailkeep oversoul, but I suddenly didn't have my power before and after that Night Phase?

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Well, It is possible that Oversoul is your recruit, or Oversoul simply replied for his own anti-town motives, or i'm not sure what oversoul is doing. Oversoul now claims that you went nowhere last night, and you're blatantly lying and said you did. Unless you believe on night three oversoul decided to start lying and not on night two.

I thought you were arguing yesterday that CR got no night one recruit?

And what proof do you have that I'm lying? A bunch of really sketch players (Oversoul, Andrius, Magister Ludi) claiming results that could all be lies.

It doesn't matter that I'm arguing in favor of one, what matters is the fact that you simply aren't considering the other alternatives. You are using what you think the setup would be like to narrow your gaze, inproperly eliminating people.

You say I'm CR because subjective statements that may or may not be true.

Also, if you read, you would know that I 1) argued that Nikanor was a CR and his little lantern buddies were recruits. 2) Thought CJ was a starter cult recruit or CR.

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Look, the only way that OS and Toasty are both telling the truth is if there is a MyStErY rOlEbLoCkEr somewhere out there that decided to block the jailkeeper who was going to target Ludi. Which would mean that Ludi is mafia, which would mean that the only possible CR is Toasty. QED, etc.

This is a false conclusion.

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1) CRAZY SHIT
2) OS being culted by Nikanor
3) OS being culted by Magister Ludi
4) It not being a MyStErY but obv scum roleblocker Andrius
5) crazy vanillizing activities/ability stealing
6) I shouldn't be having to give you reasons given that the route your choosing is just as speculative as MYSTERY ROLEBLOCKER

[ToastyToast]

Mod pretty much confirmed that NPIAU was recruited N1 and KDUB was recruited N2. If you're assuming OS was recruited N3, it has no bearing on any of OS play regarding Nikanor prior to N3. You claim to think Ludi is more likely CR than Nikanor. Place your vote on Ludi. There's too many people saying they agree with and understand the points on Ludi but just giving him a free pass for no apparent reason. Fix your vote.

Idk what happened, but I've been asked repeatedly to explain what I think happened, as if I can actually know anything outside of the fact that I sent my action in, got the usual PM saying that the action was accepted, and then came here today and found out that some shit went down 'round the plans, and someting went wrong.

I can't explain any more than that PPL. I can only guess as to what happened.

Also, the way I see it, Nikanor and Ludi should BOTH be lynched, as they are the two scummiest in the game next to Andrius (obvscumnotcult)

I unvoted a long while ago, bro.
But, yeah.

Vote Magister Ludi

[ToastyToast]

I see that hiplop case worked out well for ya

[ToastyToast]

Fuck yeah with andrius we might get some sanity in this thread.

Its stuff like this that makes Ludi obv anti-town. Maybe the obvscum will bring a little sanity in the thread because Magister Ludi, the CR, doesn't know how to fake CR hunt.

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Toasty has lied multiple times and is voting someone he apparently is confirming can't be the Cult recruiter.

Because nothing that happened to me can be explained through the truth. right. I've already explained the many different things that could've happened, and you are choosing to ignore these options in order to mislynch me. Its quite obvious.

[ToastyToast]

Unless you planned it that way.
Unless he wasn't paying attention, you know, given that he wasn't the most involved of players anyway.
THEORY SHOWN TO HAVE HUGE WEAKNESS.

[ToastyToast]

I never said anything about day talk. I said you planned it.
Ppl do stupid things all the time, its not like Kdub isn't an exception.
So you're assuming that cult recuits can under no circumstances flip as cult unless they were culted during a prior night phase? So you're assuming that cult start with no members?

Don't play that game with me, its not going to work.

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The point I'm trying to make is that you aren't considering anything other than your own opinion.

For example, you immediately assume that I am lying about what happened when there are other solutions.
Not only that, you then continue to say that there is NO WAY you can be CR because "insert incredibly subjective argument that is actually just a load of WIFOM here."

So, you are being way too narrow minded and not applying your attacks to yourself.
If I am obv-lying for saying that I was roleblocked, then you are obv-lying for saying that there is no way you can be a CR.
You are one of the few people who CAN be a CR, stop trying to use subjective actions and cultee behavior to call yourself cleared.

@Town:If Nikanor is not CR, he's probably town. If Magister Ludi is not CR, he's probably scum via his incredibly anti-town and warped attitude on D3 and D4. Therefore, Ludi is the more pro-town option for a lynch. We have two lynches. If you agree vote Ludi.

[ToastyToast]

Justice. It feels so good.

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Aaaaaand all the lurkers come out of the woodwork.

/inb4nikanorgoeshehehedontneedtoclaimwheeee

Bro you lurk way more than I do. Another reason why your scum roleblocker

[ToastyToast]

My posts are sexier.
I'd say 25% of your posts are "heyyy guys im catching up now!!"

[ToastyToast]

Did I play well for first time cult?

And fuck the WLC. That shit is so overpowered it isn't even funny.

Until you said I no actioned

[ToastyToast]

Based on how the 'Toast Jailkept Nikanor' came out, I can see it as Toast lying as mafia or, hell, I can see Toast lying as TOWN. If Toast is Jailkeeper, knows Nikanor is lying, why not claim to have blocked Nikanor in order to clear yourself and throw suspect on someone you know is lying? I did not believe Toast blocked Nikanor. On top of that, Nikanor claiming bulletproof made me suspect he is CR as well.

I fuking hate gambits. Idk what your getting @ with this. I did indeed jailkeep Nikanor because I thought he was a mason who lost his bulletproof.

Also, wouldn't it be better to keep my action private this time around? We know that only scum is left, which means giving them our target will tell them who to kill/who to have send in the kill.

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Well, could be 3rd party too of course, but no cult

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Ok. I'll agree to the plan then.

Also, whoever said Oversouls "original role was..." its pretty clear that he started the game as cult, hence he's SCAR who is one of the leaders of the black lantern corps.
Why would Scar get recruited??

[ToastyToast]

Vote: Andrius

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...I was vanillized.....rly?

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Nikanor, as promised

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I am not aligned with the mafia

I am aligned with the town.

[ToastyToast]

Did you get any messages/feedback on whether your JK worked or not?

The only word I ever get about my JK is that the action was accepted

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Because if Toast gets in here and says right away "Yes, the flavor explicitly says blah, blah, blah" yet both of you are explicitly ignoring my question, that looks very suspect on both of you being together. Because if you were mafia faking vanillalized and didn't exactly receive the word-for-word PM then you wouldn't know how to answer that question. :-/

Wtf? I have answered every single one of your questions, so don't give me that BS.
Also, I'm the only Violet, not the only Indigo.

Why are people ignoring the fact that the cult is probably still alive?

@BB: Why do you think your action was redirected? What makes you believe that your results are inaccurate?

[ToastyToast]

@Killjoy: Sorry, but I don't see this connection between Vezok and Kast. Further explanation?

[ToastyToast]

Similar question: thoughts on Vezok and Nikanor? Do you think it is at all plausible that mafia has 2 GFs? And specifically, let's lynch Vezok now.

Andrius flipping scum roleblocker makes vezok a more likely town target. Also, a delayer is generally a town move.
It is not plausible that mafia has 2GFs. It is plausible that more than one would be unrecruitable

Nikanor is an idiot in this game, but I don't think he's scum. If anything, he would have been cult.

Also, my worries about cult are justified. Why else would the mods have to change the flavor of the flip to expand on the fact that Nekron is undying? Its just VERY fishy.

I can totally see Toasty being scum. The whole back aAlso, Kast, I thought you claimed a Vanillizer? But a town one? Like, claimed it a looong time ago too....nd forth with Andy now that Andy flipped scum looks fake.

So scum has three role blocking powers. Right....

Currently I see Tans and Kast as most likely scum (though, Kast has said himself how unlikely him as scum is w/o Vezok scum).

@Kast: could you please link me your full claim/ restate it?

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@Hiplop: your ability would work on cults?

@Kast: Your plan for the day cop is a bunch of ???? based on whatever vezok flips (whom hasn't been determined to be today's lynch, mind you) + a single result in which Nikanor is checked.

I DO think Hiplop should use his day cop after the first lynch, but it should be his choice. BB, Nikanor, Me...they would all make sense.
Checking killjoy would give us two conf town or at least one (perhaps two) scum.

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I think your misunderstanding. Hiplop literally just said that it would work on cult.

Also, given the bastardry of the white lantern corp, you can't really discount hiplop's claim. Also, if he has a cop, he'll prove it by using it.

[ToastyToast]

Thats just a bunch of speculation with crap for proof and you know it.
Even if its a possibility, you cannot in anyway prove it to be more likely than another outcome

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It means a cop is lying, BB.

Just like Nikanor lied about having a cop.
Just how Ludi/Oversoul lied and tried to get me lynched
Your playing into the vanillaizers trap bro

[ToastyToast]

And white lanterns aren't confirmed. Cuz there's this thing called FaKe ClAiMs

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Toasty, why aren't you voting your scum-partner Vezok? I'm highly curious.

Because I am town who has been the target of one to many mislynches and who thinks a bit before placing down a vote. For example, although i see the reasons why to vote vezok, the BS reasons and theories people have formed are stirring me into the other direction.

For example, the innane thought that you think a scum team would have a delayer, a roleblocker, and a jailkeeper.
If anything, the pushes by both scum and the cult to get me lynched should prove that I am not alligned with them.
In addition, a large majority of the remaining playerlist continue to discount that white lanterns can be fake claiming.

BB, stop forming questions based on a bias you already have and will not change.

[ToastyToast]

@mod:could we plz get a vote count?

[ToastyToast]

@BB: I would prefer to be investigated too, you aren't the only one.

And I don't think anyone should be trusting another 100%, so...

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rofl, im not even going to argue with you. I'm the most obvtown person in this game right now.

"MER MER MER IM BB and I THINK I know what going on but I won't admit that its just pure BS speculation. I'm going to beg for the cop to be used on me and use my logic to say O.o maybe TT is godfather even tho I CAN BE GODFATHER TOO FOR THE EXACT SAME SHITTY ASS LOGIC. If hiplop uses the cop on me, then I'm telling the truth. If he uses it on TT, thEN HES OBVGODFATHER AND NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED!!! Also, this whole game is an obvconspiracy of a scum team with 3 ROLEBLOCKING POWERS because we all know that makes a ton of sense in terms of balance."

I mean, yeah, this game has obvious balance issues, but 1) there is no purpose of having that much roleblocking power on a scum team 2) If they did have that much roleblocking power, there would be a lot more schenanigans going on

If you prescribe to the outlandish theory that I am lying about my CONFIRMED role, and that Vezok is lying too:
1) Fake claims are made to make sense 2) There are SOOOOOO many other possibilities and therefore choosing one in an attempt to break the game is just stupid. Do you see me voting for hiplop or killjoy because we already have cops? Nope.

seriously, BB? And the players alive at this point...
Hiplop: stop being so indecisive and cop someone. And I'm changing my mind and saying DO IT NOW. Everyone in this game is scummy, and getting at least one person out of the way will tell us quite a lot
tans: if you are indeed town then you need to stop playing like a scumLarfleeze
killjoy: whatever. I'm more pissed off at the person you replaced
Kast: if your going to defend me, do so without trying to pressure me into a vote that hasn't been thought out yet. Also, your "if, thens" are useless at this point.

[ToastyToast]

So basically, you have to much time to think about nonsense. Is that what your telling me?

Possibilities:
Tans and Killjoy
vezok and Kast/hiplop

[ToastyToast]

Those pairings aren't strict, but I see them as strong possibilities.

[ToastyToast]

Mafia likely has a combination of roles, 1 protective/roleblocking based and another investigative based

Killjoy and tans have a connection to one another via killjoy clearing tans. This is why I would consider the idea of checking killjoy's allignment to be a good choice, as it would likely clear the two of them (unless we take into account GF paranoia)

vezok's play hasn't exactly been a paragon of excellence (well, it never is, which makes him hard to read); his ability is also easier to fake then some of the others. For example, the fact that I make my target COMPLETELY UNTARGETTABLE means that all one has to do is target the same person that I do to prove that its true. For example, say I target Kast tonight, and BB targets him too...if bb recieves no result, he would have to assume that either someone blocked him or I made said Kast untargettable. Kast/hiplop by PoE, but the groupings aren't like set in stone or anything.

I feel hiplop has been skating by this entire game without a lot of attention, which is a great position for scum to be in. I find hiplop's cop claim much more believable than Kast's, however.

Kast I feel is forcing himself to be some shining light pointing into the direction of a town victory...key word: forcing

[ToastyToast]

BB, you of course are an option too, but I don't think scum would be trying to come up with so many theories

[ToastyToast]

Yeah, max of two scum left

[ToastyToast]

O.o from logic fail to logic win

vote:killjoy

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@killjoy: thanks for the compliments, I guess?
If you are indeed cult that has died out, mind telling us when you were recruited.

Kast or tans would be good checks, Hiplop.
Unfortunately a confirmed town result coming from a cult (unless you flip rolecop) is not something to put complete trust in.

But killjoy does have a point.
Lynches should be: Kast, hiplop, tans,
which would leave myself, bb, and vezok alive.
I don't think this will fail, though I do think GF paranoia is worth considering.

[ToastyToast]

Urg.

So now we're at 4:2
which means we have to lynch correctly. This means that following hiplop is risky, as he could pull an easy gambit and seal the game if he is indeed scum. Just a simple I GOT A GUILTY will fuck us over.

Possibilities: We no lynch, which will evidently lead to the death of me, BB, or vezok, +likely another vanilla
BB cops whoever hiplop cops (?)
vezok delays kast/tans
tans and kast and myself do vanilla things

orr it seems that a majority of us agree that kast is likely scum and we just go for it
then, BB cops whoever he hasn't copped yet
vezok delays tans/hiplop
the rest of us do vanilla things

@BB: what are all your investigation results (like, a list plz)

o god...I just realized the logic fail that I jailkept killjoy N4 *facepalm,* which means he wouldn't be able to vannilize me. Is it safe to assume that my action still took effect? I feel dumb, but, hey...

[ToastyToast]

ohhhh nvm i re-understand it, even tho its wrong

[ToastyToast]

kill, that was similar to one of the proposed options