Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Kast]

By trackers* I meant blockers* should consider kdub. Kdub, I realize you claimed one shot. If you are SK, I think claiming 1 shot vig makes you a less mafia threat, so I don't see why you wouldn't pull that trick. With as many RB as we have, if we can get an RB to guarantee there isn't a SK running loose, that seems a win for me, and all the more if it's the mafia RB wasting a block on a now VT.

BB: I'm not sure your insistence on there being a doctor in game. I don't see the relevance for a doctor when there are soft duplicates/redundancy for most of our roles, there are 5+ claimed role block abilities, there is an explicit JK/untargettable claim, there are two claimed/revealed PGO's, there is a known redirector, etc. Doesn't feel like we need a doctor with this setup.

Toasty lying about Nik is inconsistent. Toasty pushed for a 1-for-1 trade with Nik when it happened. If he was scum that would have guaranteed he was lynched if he was lying about his role. Rather, if he was mafia and he knew Nik was lying, he would have made some other claim that would have been both credible and consistent. The claim he made is completely inconsistent with start of D2 events, and only didn't lead to a mislynch because Nik backed down and admitted to gambiting.

[Kast]

If I am an SK, then by claiming that my vig was one-shot, I basically can't kill anymore except in a 3/4-player endgame scenario or else I will expose myself. Since I wouldn't want to do that if I were an SK, it stands to reason that I would not take an action tonight anyway even if I had one.

but if you aren't blocked or tracked, and you do use a kill, there is no way to prove it was you...

I'm jsut calling this in case it becomes an issue later. I don't particularly believe that you are not a 1 shot.

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. S. I don't see why you are resisting claiming.

Because we're arrogant fucktwits.
Also, because we realize that our claim will both utterly destroy any usefulness our role has, and won't change anyone's mind because, as stated, no ring means no actions so there is zero chance of us being confirmed either way by the claim.

That is, the claim won't change anyone's mind of whether we're scum or not, but will destroy any usefulness that we may have if we live.

So, no. No fucking claim.

You have continued to lose credibility in my opinion nearly all day today. Part of it may be OMGUS for your nonsensical insistence on keeping me at 1 or 2 on your list, but certainly doesn't help that you have ceased to present rational arguments and are taking a "because I said so" approach to everything.

That's because very little has occurred during this Day that has been rational. We fought to have Candlejack lynched over WeyounsLastClone, who, may I remind you, was the CULT DOCTOR, and yet somehow everyone looks at us and thinks "Oh, Subliminal, not wanting to lynch the cult doctor, that's such a recruiter-tell for you because you play goddamn horribly."

In fact, our play-as-recruiter really leaves a lot to be desired. We along with Oversoul have been on all the mafia lynches, so, hooray for making ourselves a Night-kill target, but we've avoided jumping on what could be easy lynches like Toasty or Oversoul. Furthermore, we are 10000000000000% that none of the White Lanterns, who are of course ANTI FUCKING CULT, should be suspected or lynched or whatnot, further cementing that we're just really shitty at this whole CR business.

Andrius should realize this, but he's derping it up. I (at least) still think he's town, but the level of thought or attention he's put into this game is mind bogglingly small.

You being placed where you are on the list was pre-revealing your breadcrumb. I leave you there out of inertia and over a general feeling of unease about how you claimed; pre-breadcrumb, we would've been satisfied with lynching you and having Toasty jailkeep Ludi, but we revised that in the light of your breadcrumb. More than that is just meh until we see what D4 brings.

Nikanor is confirmed to not be the recruiter, but he should still claim with everyone else.

Er, no. There's zero reason for him to do that if you don't think he can be the recruiter. Z-E-R-O.

[Magister Ludi]

We fought to have Candlejack lynched over WeyounsLastClone, who, may I remind you, was the CULT DOCTOR, and yet somehow everyone looks at us and thinks "Oh, Subliminal, not wanting to lynch the cult doctor, that's such a recruiter-tell for you because you play goddamn horribly.

WeyounsLastClone (8) - Andrius, Kast, Nikanor, Oversoul, vezokpiraka, Blackberry,

Mr Subliminal,

tanstalas

You're FULL of crap. You also have been on both town lynches as well.

[Magister Ludi]

Bold is a sub quote.

[Andrius]

Ok the "arrogant fucktwits" need death.
Sorry.
NOT CLAIMING IN A MASSCLAIM IS STUPID.

All CRs need to be able to fake an action.
Esp. in a vanilla-less game.

So, you're faking a "oh we need a ring before we get GODAWESOME POWERZ".
Yeah.
MMHMM
Buying more time waiting for a ring.
Yep.

[Mr Subliminal]

You're FULL of crap. You also have been on both town lynches as well.

If you don't think we fought to not have WLC lynched, you could actually go and read the first part of the Day. You were there. We'll wait.

Ok the "arrogant fucktwits" need death.
Sorry.
NOT CLAIMING IN A MASSCLAIM IS STUPID.

Sure. We claim vanilla town until we receive a ring. Which we haven't. Oh, this claim doesn't change anything for you? Fucking surprise there.

I typed some pretty mean words here to you, Andrius, ain't gonna lie, but I went and took them back out; not only were they not going to be effective, but I simply can't tell if you're just playing at a vezokpiraka level or if you really think you're playing well. I'm not certain which of these is worse, actually; the idea that you may really consider this your "good play" scares the living bejeezus out of me.

I admit I was impressed with you at the end of ASoS, where I was blinded by hasdgfas' daykilling but you went and looked at his play and found him to be scum. But here it's complete role reversal -- you're clearing Ludi based on "doctor" and "blue ring" and not looking at his play one bit, which is so self-survival-orientated it physically hurts. You were all "there's no point in mass claiming it'll just hurt town" there, and here you're all "IknowthatyourclaimwillchangenothingbutI'mgoingtowringitoutofyourcolddeadhandseventhoughthisisacultgameandsomassclaimisreallybad." Ludi's done nothing all game except attack weak players and those who attack him. Ludi's not thinking about things from a town mindset, he's not trying to work things out. We would say you were his recruit except you've been doing this since D1, so, loldunno. I'm just sad at the words that are coming out of your mouth.

[Mr Subliminal]

On a cheerier note, a question for Ludi.
Is hydra dissonance scummy?

[Mr Subliminal]

Actually, that can be for everyone off the Ludi wagon too.

[Kdub]

The point of massclaiming is not just to give more info on the recruiter suspects, it is to work out a plan for after the lynch so that we can direct roleblocks onto the biggest threats and lock scum into claims right now. So yes, Nikanor should claim along with everyone else.

Mr. S is claiming vanilla with some other unspecified anti-cult thing. That's fine by me, people shouldn't be claiming unrecruitable or anything of that sort. Let's hear from the others who haven't claimed yet.

[ToastyToast]

@Subliminal: Scum/Cult with a WHITE FAKE CLAIM makes them...not anti-cult. Why is it so hard to get that someone is probably lying?

[Blackberry]

I change my claim.

I am SK and am murdering Oversoul tonight.

You will believe this more when Oversoul ends up dead tomorrow morning.

=D

[Kast]

Mr. S. You didn't resist WLC because of the anti cult doctor claim. You resisted because you insisted he is mafia. You're putting a lot of spin on your positions, or you've convinced yourself you're so accurate that you're changing what you remember to match what happened.

Ftr, I agree Ludi si most likely CR at this point, but you approach to this hasn't felt very pro town. It just feels mulish and surly.

[ToastyToast]

I change my claim.

I am SK and am murdering Oversoul tonight.

You will believe this more when Oversoul ends up dead tomorrow morning.

=D

QUE?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. S. You didn't resist WLC because of the anti cult doctor claim. You resisted because you insisted he is mafia. You're putting a lot of spin on your positions, or you've convinced yourself you're so accurate that you're changing what you remember to match what happened.

Ftr, I agree Ludi si most likely CR at this point, but you approach to this hasn't felt very pro town. It just feels mulish and surly.

Kast, please read what I wrote and then what you wrote and then consider it from the point of Subliminal-recruiter. Our point was and is that we were opposed to the lynch of a cult doctor. Yes, we thought he was a mafia cult doctor...but if we were really the recruiter, that should just have made us have been more likely to lynch him, being a double threat.

@Subliminal: Scum/Cult with a WHITE FAKE CLAIM makes them...not anti-cult. Why is it so hard to get that someone is probably lying?

We do not believe any of the WLs are lying. We feel very strongly about this. We agree that someone is lying. Captain Obvious says hello. We just think its Ludi.

Look how quickly he shifts from "I think its hiplop" to "I think its Subliminal" even though we've been agitating that he's antitown since D1. We post a Night action plan for after his lynch that doesn't include hiplop at all -- as we think hiplop is town -- and he doesn't comment on it. He literally shifts from hiplop to us when he's at L-1, and from that point forward all mention of hiplop gets dropped. He's simply trying to push whichever wagon he can get to save his own skin.

[tanstalas]

Unvote:
Vote: Mr.S

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 3.2.5

Mr Subliminal (6) - Nikanor, ToastyToast, Andrius, Magister Ludi, Oversoul, tanstalas
Magister Ludi (4) - zMuffinMan, hiplop, Mr Subliminal, vezokpiraka
Nikanor (1) - Blackberry

Not Voting (2) - Kdub, Kast


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline for the second lynch expires in (expired on 2011-09-15 06:15:00)

V/LAs:

[zMuffinMan]

I'm really, really sleep-deprived at the moment, but I'm not so sleep-deprived that I can't sling insults.

You guys are fucking stupid.

That's all I have to say right now.

[Kast]

vote:Ludi

Not in L-1 range anymore...Tans please explain your switch.

[Magister Ludi]

He obviously saw how much Mr. Sub was talking out in circles, and making stuff up, and decided to vote the player most likely to be Cult Recruiter.

Kdub, Berry, we need a hammer. I would ask kast, but he seems hellbent here.

[Kdub]

I'm not voting until we get claims from those who haven't done so yet. I believe that would be Nikanor, zMuffin, and hiplop.

[Magua]

I'm not voting until we get claims from those who haven't done so yet. I believe that would be Nikanor, zMuffin, and hiplop.

This is a bad idea. Claims for the sake of claims in a cult game is a terrible idea.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm not voting until we get claims from those who haven't done so yet. I believe that would be Nikanor, zMuffin, and hiplop.

This is a bad idea. Claims for the sake of claims in a cult game is a terrible idea.

[Mr Subliminal]

He obviously saw how much Mr. Sub was talking out in circles, and making stuff up, and decided to vote the player most likely to be Cult Recruiter.

Again, check Ludi's ISO. "Attack hiplop", "attack hiplop", "attack hiplop", "get to L-1", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal"

[Blackberry]

If WL are willing to vote their own buddy who also got the WL PM, I want to know what the PM said.